# 4.4 delayed !!! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 26, 2019, 6:58pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/4-4-delayed/107249 "2019-08-26T18:58:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![X\_Sunslayer\_X](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/278dde/32.png) [@X\_Sunslayer\_X](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/X_Sunslayer_X)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 9:07am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/4-4-delayed/107249/141 "2019-08-29T09:07:00Z")
> [@VincentNZ](#): > > > [@BaronVonGoon](#): > > > > > [@VincentNZ](#): > > > > > > (Quote) > > > > > > I took a peak yesterday, and saw 97 servers that were full or had 1-5 free slots. That came in at 6200 on PC. I counted every TDM and SQC server though as 64 for convenience. Time stamp is important, that was at at 1:00am UTC, I believe. > > > Right now at 0:00 am UTC we are looking at 99 servers which again is 6000 players. Even if you double that for both consoles we are looking at 30k players. Certainly not 100k or anywhere close to be a relevant player in the shooter world. > > > > What would be very embarassing is if BF4 overtakes BFV in player count. Its not far fetched at all, it’s close to being reality. > > > > I know Twitch isn’t a great measure but viewer count is a good barometer for measuring interest in a game, so if you sort the game list by “shooter” games and BFV isn’t even in the top 20 shooter games in terms of viewer count then you should be embarrassed as a game studio and publisher. > > You would have to take peak times of course, which is what we have for BF4 and 1, which sit at 7-10k players on PC. Very precise numbers. The BFV numbers are only guesswork and rough estimations, sice we can only count them via the server population. So you would need to take a look 8-9 pm UTC tonight and then compare it. > I am not doubting htat BFV has a higher playercount, I am doubting that the numbers are relevant for AAA title. > Let us make an optimistic guess and say that there are 10-12k players on PC at peak times and then look at what steamstats say about playercounts you would see that it is performing similarly to Age of Empires 2 HD released in 2013, and the Farming Simulator 2019 somewhere in the top 40 and excluding PC games on other platforms like Fortnite, Apex, FIFA etc. > . > Now that does not necessarily mean that BFV is a huge failure, since BF1 had similarily poor player retention for many reasons, but it does mean that there are a great plethora of games that are more enjoyable in all genres developed by really dedicated, pragmatic and economically efficient working teams. It does show that whatever DICE thought they were making is absolutely not what they released. It is just plain hybris. imo the main problem with BF1 was that they took too long to deliver the content. teh first DLC took roughly half a year to be shipped but in the same time we had already more maps in BF1 then we have currently in BFV. BFV is just at the best of times mediocre under perfect circumstances. while BF1 for the most part was good. sure it had its problems but they are dwarfed by what we currently still have in BFV. last week i met a dev in BFV and did some small talk with him and even he admitted regarding balance in BFV its just worse then any predecessor. but alas we are stuck with BFV for at least another 9 months so either we dig our heels in or leave for greener pastures because it won’t be a getting any better anytime soon ---
**Author:** ![Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hawxxeye/32/101036_2.png) [@Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Hawxxeye)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 9:16am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/4-4-delayed/107249/142 "2019-08-29T09:16:00Z")
> [@VincentNZ](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Now that does not necessarily mean that BFV is a huge failure, since BF1 had similarily poor player retention for many reasons, but it does mean that there are a great plethora of games that are more enjoyable in all genres developed by really dedicated, pragmatic and economically efficient working teams. It does show that whatever DICE thought they were making is absolutely not what they released. It is just plain hybris. A sign of the times is the hubris of many established franchise developers who think that distancing themselves from the most dedicated fans of their series will somehow not result in a subpar product. . the guy in Blizzard who said the players think they cant Classic Wow but they dont. Now with Classic having more full servers than modern version of WoW that guy must be making a surprised pikatcu face ---
**Author:** ![filthmcnasty](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/d07c76/32.png) [@filthmcnasty](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/filthmcnasty)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 9:24am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/4-4-delayed/107249/143 "2019-08-29T09:24:00Z")
> [@Ferdinand\_J\_Foch](#): > > (Quote) > I’d rather that BF1 had gotten an extra year of content instead of having BFV getting rushed out like this, but EA’s shareholders and investors demand a Battlefield game every two years, so here we are. > > That, and all of the conspiracy theories about Bad Company 3 don’t seem as far-fetched as they once were … Well, here’s a toast to Bad Company’s awesome legacy! _glasses klink_ It was fun while it lasted! Bad Company 1&2 were fun. Literally, that was what the devs said at that time. They were semi serious games that allowed them to inject some humor into otherwise uber serious designs. They had fun with them. I felt that BF:BC2 hardcore was the best multiplayer ever, it murdered CoD even though it didnt come close to outselling it. It also had the superb Vietnam DLC. They need to do some major soul searching before touching Bad Company ---
**Author:** ![filthmcnasty](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/d07c76/32.png) [@filthmcnasty](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/filthmcnasty)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 9:26am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/4-4-delayed/107249/144 "2019-08-29T09:26:00Z")
> [@Titan\_Awaken](#): > > (Quote) > Must be talking about Battlefront 2 (and it’s massive lootbox controversy), not Battlefield 1. That came to mind after I posted. I steered clear of that one, didn’t even bother with the 1st ---
**Author:** ![filthmcnasty](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/d07c76/32.png) [@filthmcnasty](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/filthmcnasty)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 9:29am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/4-4-delayed/107249/145 "2019-08-29T09:29:00Z")
> [@Hawxxeye](#): > > (Quote) > A sign of the times is the hubris of many established franchise developers who think that distancing themselves from the most dedicated fans of their series will somehow not result in a subpar product. > . > the guy in Blizzard who said the players think they cant Classic Wow but they dont. Now with Classic having more full servers than modern version of WoW that guy must be making a surprised pikatcu face Hell, I still play Diablo 2: LoD over Diablo 3 ---
**Author:** ![M\_Rat13](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@M\_Rat13](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/M_Rat13)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 10:34am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/4-4-delayed/107249/146 "2019-08-29T10:34:00Z")
> [@BaronVonGoon](#): > > > [@X\_Sunslayer\_X](#): > > > > [»] > > the silver lining is BF2020 is going to have a hard time being as bad. > > wanna bet Lol All they’d have to do is copy paste BF4 and call it a day. I wish I was joking about that… ---
**Author:** ![GRAW2ROBZ](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/graw2robz/32/102113_2.png) [@GRAW2ROBZ](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/GRAW2ROBZ)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 1:36pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/4-4-delayed/107249/147 "2019-08-29T13:36:00Z")
[https://twitter.com/BFBulletin/status/1166637852622577665](https://twitter.com/BFBulletin/status/1166637852622577665) ---
**Author:** ![johnkapa1](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/2bfe46/32.png) [@johnkapa1](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/johnkapa1)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 1:50pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/4-4-delayed/107249/148 "2019-08-29T13:50:00Z")
> [@GRAW2ROBZ](#): > > [https://twitter.com/BFBulletin/status/1166637852622577665](https://twitter.com/BFBulletin/status/1166637852622577665) Well at least chapter five will be on time lololololol ---
**Author:** ![Ferdinand\_J\_Foch](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/ferdinand_j_foch/32/101936_2.png) [@Ferdinand\_J\_Foch](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Ferdinand_J_Foch)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 2:34pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/4-4-delayed/107249/149 "2019-08-29T14:34:00Z")
> [@M\_Rat13](#): > > All they’d have to do is copy paste BF4 and call it a day. I wish I was joking about that… People would call it a lazy reskin if DICE did that. I know I would. We shouldn’t be begging for DICE to release the same game over and over again. This studio should be capable of releasing a game that is new, refreshing and of high quality. The fact that people are asking for older games to be remastered is a damning indictment of the state of BFV. Every day, it gets harder and harder to see if this game will ever have a future beyond the upcoming holiday season. ---
**Author:** ![Mrcleanjeans](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/mrcleanjeans/32/106976_2.png) [@Mrcleanjeans](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Mrcleanjeans)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 3:40pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/4-4-delayed/107249/150 "2019-08-29T15:40:00Z")
I wonder how much better this game would be if everyone would just get behind the developers and give positive feedback. Like an old friend crying out cause things in their home aren’t going the way they should. Don’t we all have experience with that? Haven’t we all failed in some way? And we knew it too.. right? But there were tons of positive vibes that helped us be more confident and want to make changes based on what we learned from the mistake? Just imagine your next failure. People slamming you.. with no positive interaction. - you just have to wonder … ---
**Author:** ![BaronVonGoon](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/baronvongoon/32/100934_2.png) [@BaronVonGoon](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BaronVonGoon)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 3:48pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/4-4-delayed/107249/151 "2019-08-29T15:48:00Z")
> [@Mrcleanjeans](#): > > I wonder how much better this game would be if everyone would just get behind the developers and give positive feedback. Like an old friend crying out cause things in their home aren’t going the way they should. Don’t we all have experience with that? Haven’t we all failed in some way? And we knew it too.. right? But there were tons of positive vibes that helped us be more confident and want to make changes based on what we learned from the mistake? Just imagine your next failure. People slamming you.. with no positive interaction. - you just have to wonder … You know we tried that. Many of us have been here for years doing just that. We get ignored. If you’ve been here for years and haven’t come to the conclusion that this studio is completely out of touch then you’re probably out of touch too. I advise you to get rid of the rose coloured glasses and see this studio for what it is, an incompetent one. They made their bed and now are seeing what’s its like to lie in it as this game isn’t only dying but it’s also becoming a meme. ---
**Author:** ![M\_Rat13](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@M\_Rat13](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/M_Rat13)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 3:51pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/4-4-delayed/107249/152 "2019-08-29T15:51:00Z")
> [@](#): > > BF3/4 > [Ferdinand\_J\_Foch] said: > > > [@M\_Rat13](#): > > > > All they’d have to do is copy paste BF4 and call it a day. I wish I was joking about that… > > People would call it a lazy reskin if DICE did that. I know I would. > > We shouldn’t be begging for DICE to release the same game over and over again. This studio should be capable of releasing a game that is new, refreshing and of high quality. The fact that people are asking for older games to be remastered is a damning indictment of the state of BFV. > > Every day, it gets harder and harder to see if this game will ever have a future beyond the upcoming holiday season. Mainly people who didn’t like BF4. Most of the BF4 fans would though. There’s this messiah complex around BF3/4 that make people want remastered versions. I don’t want that myself, but it’s what the community has become. This is just what happens when a franchise becomes popular, people ignore the original players. ---
**Author:** ![X\_Sunslayer\_X](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/278dde/32.png) [@X\_Sunslayer\_X](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/X_Sunslayer_X)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 3:53pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/4-4-delayed/107249/153 "2019-08-29T15:53:00Z")
> [@Mrcleanjeans](#): > > I wonder how much better this game would be if everyone would just get behind the developers and give positive feedback. Like an old friend crying out cause things in their home aren’t going the way they should. Don’t we all have experience with that? Haven’t we all failed in some way? And we knew it too.. right? But there were tons of positive vibes that helped us be more confident and want to make changes based on what we learned from the mistake? Just imagine your next failure. People slamming you.. with no positive interaction. - you just have to wonder … in 9 months time the game has not improved in any shape way or form. -netcode is a mess -stability is a joke -performance at large across all platforms is bad even if compared to steam early access -issues regarding cosmetics getting fixed within the hour while core issues are still very much alive and kicking 9 months in! i do get that beating a dead horse is not constructive but if the dead horse keeps hitting you time and time again in the balls i’d give it another whack until it either stops or gets better. DICE has done neither so far. for 9 months we are cycling trough the same old tale. -content is promised -content gets delayed -content gets canceled altogether we keep getting absolutely bombarded with lazy looking cosmetics that do next to nothing but break the little bit of immersion the game can generate at certain moments. i haven’t even gone into the abhorrent “balance” if you can even call it that ---
**Author:** ![Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hawxxeye/32/101036_2.png) [@Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Hawxxeye)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 6:21pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/4-4-delayed/107249/154 "2019-08-29T18:21:00Z")
> [@Mrcleanjeans](#): > > I wonder how much better this game would be if everyone would just get behind the developers and give positive feedback. Like an old friend crying out cause things in their home aren’t going the way they should. Don’t we all have experience with that? Haven’t we all failed in some way? And we knew it too.. right? But there were tons of positive vibes that helped us be more confident and want to make changes based on what we learned from the mistake? Just imagine your next failure. People slamming you.. with no positive interaction. - you just have to wonder … Positive feedback requires positive actions. It is not like we are able to see them trying, we only see the lack or replies and results as well as any meaningful interaction. . Also everyone makes mistakes, but repeating the same mistakes several times indicates **negligence** or worse ---
**Author:** ![filthmcnasty](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/d07c76/32.png) [@filthmcnasty](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/filthmcnasty)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 9:18pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/4-4-delayed/107249/155 "2019-08-29T21:18:00Z")
> [@Hawxxeye](#): > > (Quote) > Positive feedback requires positive actions. > It is not like we are able to see them trying, we only see the lack or replies and results as well as any meaningful interaction..Also everyone makes mistakes, but repeating the same mistakes several times indicates negligence or worse The definition of Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. There are other massive devs that don’t seem to have these problems, so I’d bet DICE suffered the same problems that Bioware did ---
**Author:** ![VOLBANKER](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/v/dec6dc/32.png) [@VOLBANKER](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/VOLBANKER)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 9:34pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/4-4-delayed/107249/156 "2019-08-29T21:34:00Z")
> [@X\_Sunslayer\_X](#): > > > [@Mrcleanjeans](#): > > > > I wonder how much better this game would be if everyone would just get behind the developers and give positive feedback. Like an old friend crying out cause things in their home aren’t going the way they should. Don’t we all have experience with that? Haven’t we all failed in some way? And we knew it too.. right? But there were tons of positive vibes that helped us be more confident and want to make changes based on what we learned from the mistake? Just imagine your next failure. People slamming you.. with no positive interaction. - you just have to wonder … > > in 9 months time the game has not improved in any shape way or form. > > -netcode is a mess > -stability is a joke > -performance at large across all platforms is bad even if compared to steam early access > > -issues regarding cosmetics getting fixed within the hour while core issues are still very much alive and kicking 9 months in! How anyone can even claim BFV hasn’t improved in any way at all is beyond me. We, the players, complained about bad visibility, so DICE improved it. Is it perfect, no, is it better than it was without going too far, yes I think most people think so. Medics like yourself complained about lack of midrange fighting capability, so DICE added the M28 Tromboncino. Recons requested some close range fighting power, so DICE added the PO8. We players said Panzerstorm lacked infantry cover, so DICE worked on the terrain of the map to give better infantry cover. People wanted Squad Conquest to be a permanent game option, so DICE made it permanent. People complained about AP Mines, so DICE changed them so they can only function as an early warning system so to speak to tell you if someone is coming. etc. ---
**Author:** ![CrashCA](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/crashca/32/100942_2.png) [@CrashCA](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/CrashCA)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 10:19pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/4-4-delayed/107249/157 "2019-08-29T22:19:00Z")
> [@filthmcnasty](#): > > > [@Hawxxeye](#): > > > > [»] > > (Quote) > > Positive feedback requires positive actions. > > It is not like we are able to see them trying, we only see the lack or replies and results as well as any meaningful interaction..Also everyone makes mistakes, but repeating the same mistakes several times indicates negligence or worse > > The definition of Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. > There are other massive devs that don’t seem to have these problems, so I’d bet DICE suffered the same problems that Bioware did That would be EA !! ---
**Author:** ![Jokerdef](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/jokerdef/32/106824_2.png) [@Jokerdef](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Jokerdef)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 6:14am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/4-4-delayed/107249/158 "2019-08-30T06:14:00Z")
> [@BaronVonGoon](#): > > This Week in Battlefield > > What’s new? > > Nothing > > What’s fixed? > > Nothing > > What’s not fixed? > > Everything and a few new things we broke. > > Whats coming > > Al Soondan\* > Update 4.4 > **5v5** \* > Soldier dragging > COD Modern Warfare\* > > \*Delayed > **Delayed** > \*Cancelled > Cancelled > Sept 21 free beta! > > On behalf of the Battlefield team, thanks for your patience whilst we enjoy the summer in the sun. Updates on additionally tracked issues will be announced soon\* here. > > \*Don’t hold your breath Thank you for the best laughs this morning! =) ---
**Author:** ![IIT0NE](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/ecd19e/32.png) [@IIT0NE](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/IIT0NE)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 8:57am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/4-4-delayed/107249/159 "2019-08-30T08:57:00Z")
> [@BaronVonGoon](#): > > This Week in Battlefield > > What’s new? > > Nothing > > What’s fixed? > > Nothing > > What’s not fixed? > > Everything and a few new things we broke. > > Whats coming > > Al Soondan\* > Update 4.4 > **5v5** \* > Soldier dragging > COD Modern Warfare\* > > \*Delayed > **Delayed** > \*Cancelled > Cancelled > Sept 21 free beta! > > On behalf of the Battlefield team, thanks for your patience whilst we enjoy the summer in the sun. Updates on additionally tracked issues will be announced soon\* here. > > \*Don’t hold your breath Came here to show some appreciation for this post 😃 ---
**Author:** ![X\_Sunslayer\_X](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/278dde/32.png) [@X\_Sunslayer\_X](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/X_Sunslayer_X)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 2:22pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/4-4-delayed/107249/160 "2019-08-30T14:22:00Z")
> [@VOLBANKER](#): > > > [@X\_Sunslayer\_X](#): > > > > > [@Mrcleanjeans](#): > > > > > > I wonder how much better this game would be if everyone would just get behind the developers and give positive feedback. Like an old friend crying out cause things in their home aren’t going the way they should. Don’t we all have experience with that? Haven’t we all failed in some way? And we knew it too.. right? But there were tons of positive vibes that helped us be more confident and want to make changes based on what we learned from the mistake? Just imagine your next failure. People slamming you.. with no positive interaction. - you just have to wonder … > > > > in 9 months time the game has not improved in any shape way or form. > > > > -netcode is a mess > > -stability is a joke > > -performance at large across all platforms is bad even if compared to steam early access > > > > -issues regarding cosmetics getting fixed within the hour while core issues are still very much alive and kicking 9 months in! > > How anyone can even claim BFV hasn’t improved in any way at all is beyond me. > > We, the players, complained about bad visibility, so DICE improved it. > Is it perfect, no, is it better than it was without going too far, yes I think most people think so. > > Medics like yourself complained about lack of midrange fighting capability, so DICE added the M28 Tromboncino. > > Recons requested some close range fighting power, so DICE added the PO8. > > We players said Panzerstorm lacked infantry cover, so DICE worked on the terrain of the map to give better infantry cover. > > People wanted Squad Conquest to be a permanent game option, so DICE made it permanent. > > People complained about AP Mines, so DICE changed them so they can only function as an early warning system so to speak to tell you if someone is coming. > > etc. the issues i was pointing out and referring to (net-code/performance/stability) still have next to no improvements. and what you are pointing out are things that should’ve been a no brainier to be there from the start yet you want me to give DICE a pat on the back for stuff we’ve been asking for 7 months for ? im sorry but since when is doing the bare minimum something i should recommend ppl on? [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/4-4-delayed/107249.md?page=7) [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/4-4-delayed/107249.md?page=9)