# A sad Hypothesis: Firestorm will fail because of Apex Legends **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 8, 2019, 4:08am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/a-sad-hypothesis-firestorm-will-fail-because-of-apex-legends/106520 "2019-02-08T04:08:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![StingX71](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/stingx71/32/103620_2.png) [@StingX71](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/StingX71)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 2:09pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/a-sad-hypothesis-firestorm-will-fail-because-of-apex-legends/106520/41 "2019-02-08T14:09:00Z")
> [@TwinGunsLLP](#): > > The BFV disaster didn’t even need competition in the form of Apex Legends to die off. It’s already dying a miserable, well deserved death with its low content, buggy, hack infested boring maps. No RSP, no hardcore, absolutely pathetic. It cannot die soon enough and take EA right along with it. > > Looking forward to another huge disaster with Anthem! EA deserves nothing less and not a single dime more from any current gamer. Agree. AL will have a greater impact on Anthem’s sales imho. ---
**Author:** ![\_Fabio\_FVB](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/_/bc79bd/32.png) [@\_Fabio\_FVB](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/_Fabio_FVB)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2019, 11:20pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/a-sad-hypothesis-firestorm-will-fail-because-of-apex-legends/106520/42 "2019-02-09T23:20:00Z")
already seeing less full servers on BFV after the release of APEX, I think it was the final nail in the coffin ---
**Author:** ![PoppaPappo](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/ebca7d/32.png) [@PoppaPappo](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/PoppaPappo)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2019, 11:23pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/a-sad-hypothesis-firestorm-will-fail-because-of-apex-legends/106520/43 "2019-02-09T23:23:00Z")
> [@\_Fabio\_FVB\_](#): > > already seeing less full servers on BFV after the release of APEX, I think it was the final nail in the coffin In which mode? The Frontlines servers have been constantly full. ---
**Author:** ![ackers75](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/b2d939/32.png) [@ackers75](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ackers75)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2019, 11:24pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/a-sad-hypothesis-firestorm-will-fail-because-of-apex-legends/106520/44 "2019-02-09T23:24:00Z")
> [@\_Fabio\_FVB\_](#): > > already seeing less full servers on BFV after the release of APEX, I think it was the final nail in the coffin Yep it’s what happens when you release a polished game that’s had a bit of care and attention paid to it! ---
**Author:** ![parkingbrake](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/ee7513/32.png) [@parkingbrake](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/parkingbrake)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2019, 11:30pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/a-sad-hypothesis-firestorm-will-fail-because-of-apex-legends/106520/45 "2019-02-09T23:30:00Z")
> [@Austacker](#): > > Battlefield 5 is just trash and the BR just won’t save it. Are you still playing BFV? ---
**Author:** ![Khronikos](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/khronikos/32/102498_2.png) [@Khronikos](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Khronikos)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 12:06am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/a-sad-hypothesis-firestorm-will-fail-because-of-apex-legends/106520/46 "2019-02-10T00:06:00Z")
BFV still has a chance to redeem itself somewhat, but people are very right for doubting it because there is no premium and EA has a bad past history with games like this. ---
**Author:** ![Faylum](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/faylum/32/101926_2.png) [@Faylum](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Faylum)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 4:07am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/a-sad-hypothesis-firestorm-will-fail-because-of-apex-legends/106520/47 "2019-02-10T04:07:00Z")
The people who play BR tend to be people who cannot breath through their noses. They are the type of people that fear laying back in the bath simply because they could suffocate. Mouth breathers will find firestorm amazing. Just you wait. ---
**Author:** ![craigerswuzhere](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/d78d45/32.png) [@craigerswuzhere](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/craigerswuzhere)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 4:53am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/a-sad-hypothesis-firestorm-will-fail-because-of-apex-legends/106520/48 "2019-02-10T04:53:00Z")
I can already tell how a round of Firestorm could potentially go. Make it to the final 10 people or less in a match, get into a small circle safe zone close to the end, only to get shot by someone hiding in some corner that you could not see. Ya, that should steal all BR players from all current BR games out there with that much excitement. Good plan. ---
**Author:** ![SumwhatKrazy](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sumwhatkrazy/32/103643_2.png) [@SumwhatKrazy](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SumwhatKrazy)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 5:25am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/a-sad-hypothesis-firestorm-will-fail-because-of-apex-legends/106520/49 "2019-02-10T05:25:00Z")
Apex legends is definitely more popular on my friends list than BFV. I wonder if that will last or not though? ---
**Author:** ![warslag](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/warslag/32/101053_2.png) [@warslag](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/warslag)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 10:44am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/a-sad-hypothesis-firestorm-will-fail-because-of-apex-legends/106520/50 "2019-02-10T10:44:00Z")
Twitch at the moment: Apex Legends - 178,000 viewers PUBG - 25,000 COD:BLOPS 4 - 6,000 Rainbow Six: Siege - 4,000 Farming Simulator 19 - 400 ARMA 3 - 300 BF:V - 286 ---
**Author:** ![Squad\_Cohesion](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/squad_cohesion/32/103495_2.png) [@Squad\_Cohesion](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Squad_Cohesion)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 10:53am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/a-sad-hypothesis-firestorm-will-fail-because-of-apex-legends/106520/51 "2019-02-10T10:53:00Z")
I think Firestorm will fail because of the easymode gunmechanics in BF5. There is no challenge, its all too shallow. It wont retain enough players. ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 11:07am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/a-sad-hypothesis-firestorm-will-fail-because-of-apex-legends/106520/52 "2019-02-10T11:07:00Z")
> [@TheyHaveScissors](#): > > I think Firestorm will fail because of the easymode gunmechanics in BF5. There is no challenge, its all too shallow. It wont retain enough players. Lol well if you’re comparing it to Apex, that game definitely has some easy mode guns. I can dump on a whole squad by myself with just a peacekeeper without even aiming down sights, no sweat. ---
**Author:** ![LordVader666](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/lordvader666/32/102674_2.png) [@LordVader666](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/LordVader666)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 11:14am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/a-sad-hypothesis-firestorm-will-fail-because-of-apex-legends/106520/53 "2019-02-10T11:14:00Z")
The only way for Firestorm to compete against free is to be free itself and even then it’ll be an uphill struggle with the recent release and thus “hotness” and awareness of AL. If they go down the route of just a game mode in BFV then I can’t see enough of a draw for new players in the existing market (especially with a new and current “fad” game released) It may draw back some players who bought BFV but stopped playing but I don’t think the numbers will be huge. It’s potentially differentiator from existing games could be the destructibility/armoured vehicles/bullet penetration etc just like AL has differences from Fortnite and PUBG. As I said the game would need to be released correctly and I just don’t see EA being capable. It needs to be a free standalone “game” that’s tied into BFV just like the Fortnite model all the existing BFV crowd can hope is that if it’s successful that some players may be tempted to try the base BF game and/or that it encourages EA to keep supporting the game though that’s a slim hope. Of course if by some miracle Firestorm took off the converse could happen and all resources are diverted into Firestorm. ---
**Author:** ![LinkZeppeloyd](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/linkzeppeloyd/32/104893_2.png) [@LinkZeppeloyd](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/LinkZeppeloyd)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 1:00pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/a-sad-hypothesis-firestorm-will-fail-because-of-apex-legends/106520/54 "2019-02-10T13:00:00Z")
> [@LordVader666](#): > > The only way for Firestorm to compete against free is to be free itself and even then it’ll be an uphill struggle with the recent release and thus “hotness” and awareness of AL. > > If they go down the route of just a game mode in BFV then I can’t see enough of a draw for new players in the existing market (especially with a new and current “fad” game released) It may draw back some players who bought BFV but stopped playing but I don’t think the numbers will be huge. > > It’s potentially differentiator from existing games could be the destructibility/armoured vehicles/bullet penetration etc just like AL has differences from Fortnite and PUBG. > > As I said the game would need to be released correctly and I just don’t see EA being capable. It needs to be a free standalone “game” that’s tied into BFV just like the Fortnite model all the existing BFV crowd can hope is that if it’s successful that some players may be tempted to try the base BF game and/or that it encourages EA to keep supporting the game though that’s a slim hope. Of course if by some miracle Firestorm took off the converse could happen and all resources are diverted into Firestorm. I thought it was a fact that Firestorm is a completely separate f2p game. Did DICE or EA say something to throw that into doubt? ---
**Author:** ![Quasar9111](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/q/e495f1/32.png) [@Quasar9111](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Quasar9111)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 1:02pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/a-sad-hypothesis-firestorm-will-fail-because-of-apex-legends/106520/55 "2019-02-10T13:02:00Z")
cant even get AL to run - white screen, and very choppy - its NOT my machine as 10 other AAA games work just fine and 4 of them are on Origin ---
**Author:** ![llPhantom\_Limbll](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/llphantom_limbll/32/102656_2.png) [@llPhantom\_Limbll](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/llPhantom_Limbll)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 1:05pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/a-sad-hypothesis-firestorm-will-fail-because-of-apex-legends/106520/56 "2019-02-10T13:05:00Z")
> [@warslag](#): > > Twitch at the moment: > > Apex Legends - 178,000 viewers > > PUBG - 25,000 > > COD:BLOPS 4 - 6,000 > > Rainbow Six: Siege - 4,000 > > Farming Simulator 19 - 400 > > ARMA 3 - 300 > > BF:V - 286 I don’t really think Twitch audience is a good measurment of games’ popularity. ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 1:14pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/a-sad-hypothesis-firestorm-will-fail-because-of-apex-legends/106520/57 "2019-02-10T13:14:00Z")
> [@LinkZeppeloyd](#): > > > [@LordVader666](#): > > > > The only way for Firestorm to compete against free is to be free itself and even then it’ll be an uphill struggle with the recent release and thus “hotness” and awareness of AL. > > > > If they go down the route of just a game mode in BFV then I can’t see enough of a draw for new players in the existing market (especially with a new and current “fad” game released) It may draw back some players who bought BFV but stopped playing but I don’t think the numbers will be huge. > > > > It’s potentially differentiator from existing games could be the destructibility/armoured vehicles/bullet penetration etc just like AL has differences from Fortnite and PUBG. > > > > As I said the game would need to be released correctly and I just don’t see EA being capable. It needs to be a free standalone “game” that’s tied into BFV just like the Fortnite model all the existing BFV crowd can hope is that if it’s successful that some players may be tempted to try the base BF game and/or that it encourages EA to keep supporting the game though that’s a slim hope. Of course if by some miracle Firestorm took off the converse could happen and all resources are diverted into Firestorm. > > I thought it was a fact that Firestorm is a completely separate f2p game. Did DICE or EA say something to throw that into doubt? I never saw any indication that it was separate and f2p. It’s been a part of BFVs 6 month roadmap since it released, and there has never been any info shared that would even hint at it being a standalone f2p gamr. From all the information about it they’ve given us thus far, it sounds like a separate bf5 game mode being developed by Criterion. ---
**Author:** ![LinkZeppeloyd](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/linkzeppeloyd/32/104893_2.png) [@LinkZeppeloyd](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/LinkZeppeloyd)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 1:19pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/a-sad-hypothesis-firestorm-will-fail-because-of-apex-legends/106520/58 "2019-02-10T13:19:00Z")
> [@Loqtrall](#): > > > [@LinkZeppeloyd](#): > > > > > [@LordVader666](#): > > > > > > The only way for Firestorm to compete against free is to be free itself and even then it’ll be an uphill struggle with the recent release and thus “hotness” and awareness of AL. > > > > > > If they go down the route of just a game mode in BFV then I can’t see enough of a draw for new players in the existing market (especially with a new and current “fad” game released) It may draw back some players who bought BFV but stopped playing but I don’t think the numbers will be huge. > > > > > > It’s potentially differentiator from existing games could be the destructibility/armoured vehicles/bullet penetration etc just like AL has differences from Fortnite and PUBG. > > > > > > As I said the game would need to be released correctly and I just don’t see EA being capable. It needs to be a free standalone “game” that’s tied into BFV just like the Fortnite model all the existing BFV crowd can hope is that if it’s successful that some players may be tempted to try the base BF game and/or that it encourages EA to keep supporting the game though that’s a slim hope. Of course if by some miracle Firestorm took off the converse could happen and all resources are diverted into Firestorm. > > > > I thought it was a fact that Firestorm is a completely separate f2p game. Did DICE or EA say something to throw that into doubt? > > I never saw any indication that it was separate and f2p. It’s been a part of BFVs 6 month roadmap since it released, and there has never been any info shared that would even hint at it being a standalone f2p gamr. From all the information about it they’ve given us thus far, it sounds like a separate bf5 game mode being developed by Criterion. So you’re saying people would have to buy BFV to play Firestorm? If that is actually the case, why is there even this discussion, Firestorm will be DOA. ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 1:28pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/a-sad-hypothesis-firestorm-will-fail-because-of-apex-legends/106520/59 "2019-02-10T13:28:00Z")
> [@LinkZeppeloyd](#): > > > [@Loqtrall](#): > > > > > [@LinkZeppeloyd](#): > > > > > > > [@LordVader666](#): > > > > > > > > The only way for Firestorm to compete against free is to be free itself and even then it’ll be an uphill struggle with the recent release and thus “hotness” and awareness of AL. > > > > > > > > If they go down the route of just a game mode in BFV then I can’t see enough of a draw for new players in the existing market (especially with a new and current “fad” game released) It may draw back some players who bought BFV but stopped playing but I don’t think the numbers will be huge. > > > > > > > > It’s potentially differentiator from existing games could be the destructibility/armoured vehicles/bullet penetration etc just like AL has differences from Fortnite and PUBG. > > > > > > > > As I said the game would need to be released correctly and I just don’t see EA being capable. It needs to be a free standalone “game” that’s tied into BFV just like the Fortnite model all the existing BFV crowd can hope is that if it’s successful that some players may be tempted to try the base BF game and/or that it encourages EA to keep supporting the game though that’s a slim hope. Of course if by some miracle Firestorm took off the converse could happen and all resources are diverted into Firestorm. > > > > > > I thought it was a fact that Firestorm is a completely separate f2p game. Did DICE or EA say something to throw that into doubt? > > > > I never saw any indication that it was separate and f2p. It’s been a part of BFVs 6 month roadmap since it released, and there has never been any info shared that would even hint at it being a standalone f2p gamr. From all the information about it they’ve given us thus far, it sounds like a separate bf5 game mode being developed by Criterion. > > So you’re saying people would have to buy BFV to play Firestorm? > > If that is actually the case, why is there even this discussion, Firestorm will be DOA. Well there has been literally zero indication since its announcement that it’d be standalone, let alone f2p, so there’s no reason and never has been a reason to believe it wouldn’t just be tacked on to BFV. Since E3 they’ve had firestorm attached at the hip to BF5, it’d make no sense for it to be standalone when it directly pertains to that game. It’s much like Blackout, where you have to purchase BO4 to play it. It’s still popular, and many purchased BO4 solely to play Blackout. ---
**Author:** ![xBCxSEALxTEAMx6](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/97f17d/32.png) [@xBCxSEALxTEAMx6](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/xBCxSEALxTEAMx6)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 1:38pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/a-sad-hypothesis-firestorm-will-fail-because-of-apex-legends/106520/60 "2019-02-10T13:38:00Z")
Well, the scary thing would be, if DICE thought FIrestorm was going to be their succesful main mode, thinking folks would flock too it, and with all the investment and content they may have prepared for that, and not others, only for them to have been broadsided. Now they’ll be putting out all this BR nonsense no one asked for on BF, and not what we wanted. So, just hope it’s just put out, and done with, b/c i think there are too many BR games out there, and not something the BF community wanted in the first place. Putting their eggs in that basket, will kill this game, or at least kill it quicker. [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/a-sad-hypothesis-firestorm-will-fail-because-of-apex-legends/106520.md?page=2) [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/a-sad-hypothesis-firestorm-will-fail-because-of-apex-legends/106520.md?page=4)