# Active Radar OP, No Counter in the game **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 10, 2013, 4:55pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/active-radar-op-no-counter-in-the-game/159424 "2013-11-10T16:55:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jasonelmore](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/4da419/32.png) [@jasonelmore](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/jasonelmore)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2013, 4:55pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/active-radar-op-no-counter-in-the-game/159424/1 "2013-11-10T16:55:00Z")
Active Radar Missles in the AA Tank and any other vehicle that uses them besides the jet, since it moves really fast. There needs to be a counter measure that can thwart this. There is no lock-on warning, and if there is, it’s to short, maybe like half a second in it’s current form. I’m no baddie, i’m D1 in all flying vehicles, i just think there should be a counter to this, or weaken the Active radar somewhat. The problem i’m having with it is the warning system. There is none/very short and needs to be longer so players have time to pop flares or ecm. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![EZTiger94](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/a698b9/32.png) [@EZTiger94](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/EZTiger94)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2013, 5:00pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/active-radar-op-no-counter-in-the-game/159424/2 "2013-11-10T17:00:00Z")
yeah but if you think about it theres one AA, vs several jets, choppers, and a commander that can easily send a tomahawk their way if they become a real nuisance, had this problem the other day, the AA was annihilating our air, so i spotted the AA on the map, told the commander where he was and asked him for some help. BOOM no more AA. theres plenty of ways to deal with it ---
**Author:** ![jasonelmore](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/4da419/32.png) [@jasonelmore](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/jasonelmore)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 6:29am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/active-radar-op-no-counter-in-the-game/159424/3 "2013-11-12T06:29:00Z")
That is not a counter. The auto snap-lockon needs to require more skill and better aiming. As it is now, you can miss the plane or helicoptor by half a mile and it will still lock on and hit. ---
**Author:** ![ziTankGod](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/z/6f9a4e/32.png) [@ziTankGod](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ziTankGod)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 6:31am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/active-radar-op-no-counter-in-the-game/159424/4 "2013-11-12T06:31:00Z")
Being in division 1 doesn’t mean you are good, just mean you get kills with the vehicle. You are bad. ---
**Author:** ![Oorahhh](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/o/8baadc/32.png) [@Oorahhh](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Oorahhh)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 6:34am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/active-radar-op-no-counter-in-the-game/159424/5 "2013-11-12T06:34:00Z")
I learned how to counter them with ECM with Attack Jets but you need to be quick and constantly aware of where the mobile AA is at all times, as for helicopters it is almost impossible to dodge them. It needs a nerf though ASAP, maybe only 2 missiles with none in reserve, 20 dmg each, no mobility kill. ---
**Author:** ![Macar0th](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Macar0th](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Macar0th)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 6:40am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/active-radar-op-no-counter-in-the-game/159424/6 "2013-11-12T06:40:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _EZTiger94 said:_ > yeah but if you think about it theres one AA, vs several jets, choppers, and a commander that can easily send a tomahawk their way if they become a real nuisance, had this problem the other day, the AA was annihilating our air, so i spotted the AA on the map, told the commander where he was and asked him for some help. BOOM no more AA. theres plenty of ways to deal with it I dont think this stops AR being an instant win button in smaller games like obliteration where there is only one chopper per team. I agree that AR is very over powered. Most people will probably start to agree once it becomes more common as more hours are put into the game. AA should still be a good counter to Air but right now Air doesnt stand even the smallest chance without excessive team work…which doesn’t usually happen. ---
**Author:** ![TvojaStaRaX](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/a88e4f/32.png) [@TvojaStaRaX](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TvojaStaRaX)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 6:42am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/active-radar-op-no-counter-in-the-game/159424/7 "2013-11-12T06:42:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _jasonelmore said:_ > That is not a counter. The auto snap-lockon needs to require more skill and better aiming. As it is now, you can miss the plane or helicoptor by half a mile and it will still lock on and hit. ---
**Author:** ![Bluraider94](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/c0e974/32.png) [@Bluraider94](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Bluraider94)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 6:43am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/active-radar-op-no-counter-in-the-game/159424/8 "2013-11-12T06:43:00Z")
I think if you see them fire and pop ECM jammer they will fail to lock on. Best counter I can think of, not much of one though. Don’t even think they respond to flares do they? ---
**Author:** ![HaitianVacation](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/87869e/32.png) [@HaitianVacation](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/HaitianVacation)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 6:47am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/active-radar-op-no-counter-in-the-game/159424/9 "2013-11-12T06:47:00Z")
Why do you need the counter to a limited specific counter when you out number it even if it’s the counter and significantly out number as the only hard counter? This is like asking for rock to be able to counter paper when you refuse to use your bro scissors cause you think rock is the master choice and should defeat anything in it’s wake. FFS I don’t pick a main battle tank then realize, it’s hard counter is aircraft then demand aircraft be nerffed or I become buffed to counter it. This forum needs to quit doing meth. If the AA is an issue, get the hell out of your super crutch vehicles because the counter will win and go kill it with all of the other counters the AA vehicle has. It’s that simple. ---
**Author:** ![ziTankGod](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/z/6f9a4e/32.png) [@ziTankGod](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ziTankGod)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 6:48am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/active-radar-op-no-counter-in-the-game/159424/10 "2013-11-12T06:48:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Bluraider94 said:_ > I think if you see them fire and pop ECM jammer they will fail to lock on. > > Best counter I can think of, not much of one though. > > Don’t even think they respond to flares do they? GOD DAMNIT! I thought you were Archangel990. Why you do this?! ---
**Author:** ![VictoryToker](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/v/3e96dc/32.png) [@VictoryToker](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/VictoryToker)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 6:48am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/active-radar-op-no-counter-in-the-game/159424/11 "2013-11-12T06:48:00Z")
active protection devices counter everything. toss one on a rooftop and hover near it when stuff is incoming or something, though I do kinda agree there should be more lock on warning./ ---
**Author:** ![Zefar](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/zefar/32/108211_2.png) [@Zefar](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Zefar)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 6:49am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/active-radar-op-no-counter-in-the-game/159424/12 "2013-11-12T06:49:00Z")
Man gotta get around getting these missiles so I can farm them before they are nerfed to a balanced state. I’m a bit away from it with one AA tank. Btw there is an Unlock like Active Radar Defense or something as well. Could that help you from those missiles? ---
**Author:** ![SovereignEagle](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/779978/32.png) [@SovereignEagle](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SovereignEagle)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 6:50am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/active-radar-op-no-counter-in-the-game/159424/13 "2013-11-12T06:50:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _EZTiger94 said:_ > yeah but if you think about it theres one AA, vs several jets, choppers, and a commander that can easily send a tomahawk their way if they become a real nuisance, had this problem the other day, the AA was annihilating our air, so i spotted the AA on the map, told the commander where he was and asked him for some help. BOOM no more AA. theres plenty of ways to deal with it He was a bad MAA driver then. You’d have to be really bad or just unlucky to be hit by a Tomahawk missile in the MOBILE anti air tank. ---
**Author:** ![jasonelmore](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/4da419/32.png) [@jasonelmore](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/jasonelmore)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 10:10am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/active-radar-op-no-counter-in-the-game/159424/14 "2013-11-13T10:10:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Fearpoint1 said:_ > Why do you need the counter to a limited specific counter when you out number it even if it’s the counter and significantly out number as the only hard counter? > > This is like asking for rock to be able to counter paper when you refuse to use your bro scissors cause you think rock is the master choice and should defeat anything in it’s wake. > > FFS I don’t pick a main battle tank then realize, it’s hard counter is aircraft then demand aircraft be nerffed or I become buffed to counter it. > > This forum needs to quit doing meth. If the AA is an issue, get the hell out of your super crutch vehicles because the counter will win and go kill it with all of the other counters the AA vehicle has. It’s that simple. Your metaphor’s need work. I’m not saying i’m trying to counter it with flares i refuse to use anything else, i’m saying, no matter what i use, ECM, Flares, or Extinguisher, or ANY Scout Heli Unlock in the ENTIRE game, none of it matters, Active Radar ignores all of those. ECM is the only one that will cause it to miss but only like 25% of the time. It’s very inconsistent. Furthermore, there is no lockon warning/very short one, so popping ECM in time is very difficult unless you have maybe a 2ms ping. There should be a direct counter to any weapon system. The Main Battle Tank has something called Active Protection, which when activated, it will nullify any incoming projectiles. The Chopper or jets DO NOT have this unlock when it desperately needs it if the Active Radar is going to stay, AS-IS. I think what DICE should do is re-work how active radar works to match the description in the game. Active radar supposed to do light damage, (like flak). The missile should never hit the aircraft and do massive damage and turn the whole aircraft on it’s side mid-air. Just read the description in-game for this unlock: **From the Official Strategy Guide and in-game guide:** Active Radar: Once fired, these missiles will locate and track toward the nearest airborne target and explode within close proximity. TL;DR Lower the Damage output, and decrease the auto-lockon distance so it requires more skill. Additionally it should reload slower. Especially if pilots only get a flare every 25 seconds. ---
**Author:** ![YiffEm](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/y/4af34b/32.png) [@YiffEm](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/YiffEm)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 10:13am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/active-radar-op-no-counter-in-the-game/159424/15 "2013-11-13T10:13:00Z")
Honestly, if they make it where the missile locks on at a further distance, then it will be balanced in my opinion. That way it will give people a time to react and use countermeasures. ---
**Author:** ![jasonelmore](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/4da419/32.png) [@jasonelmore](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/jasonelmore)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 10:17am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/active-radar-op-no-counter-in-the-game/159424/16 "2013-11-13T10:17:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Fencon said:_ > Honestly, if they make it where the missile locks on at a further distance, then it will be balanced in my opinion. > That way it will give people a time to react and use countermeasures. You mean shorter distances? It’s already far enough. ---
**Author:** ![YiffEm](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/y/4af34b/32.png) [@YiffEm](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/YiffEm)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 10:19am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/active-radar-op-no-counter-in-the-game/159424/17 "2013-11-13T10:19:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _jasonelmore said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _Fencon said:_ > > Honestly, if they make it where the missile locks on at a further distance, then it will be balanced in my opinion. > > That way it will give people a time to react and use countermeasures. > > You mean shorter distances? It’s already far enough. As in when launched from the AA, it’ll lock on just a moment after, not closer to the aircraft, but further away from it. ---
**Author:** ![TrinityMass](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/97f17d/32.png) [@TrinityMass](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TrinityMass)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 10:43am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/active-radar-op-no-counter-in-the-game/159424/18 "2013-11-13T10:43:00Z")
AR is being nerfed as we speak. The current server update will nerf AR as it is overpowered according to DICE. ---
**Author:** ![Singulativ](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/dfb087/32.png) [@Singulativ](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Singulativ)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 10:48am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/active-radar-op-no-counter-in-the-game/159424/19 "2013-11-13T10:48:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _jasonelmore said:_ > I think what DICE should do is re-work how active radar works to match the description in the game. Active radar supposed to do light damage, (like flak). The missile should never hit the aircraft and do massive damage and turn the whole aircraft on it’s side mid-air. Just read the description in-game for this unlock: > > **From the Official Strategy Guide and in-game guide:** > > Active Radar: Once fired, these missiles will locate and track toward the nearest airborne target and explode within close proximity. AA-Missiles (like sidewinder, etc.) never hit directly, they always explode at close proximity (usually besides the target aircraft). They differ in this behavior from RPGs, who are designed for a direct hit to pierce heavy armored targets.