# After the update at 13-Feb, light tank's 20mm shell can't do any damage to any vehicle. **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 13, 2019, 11:54am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/after-the-update-at-13-feb-light-tanks-20mm-shell-cant-do-any-damage-to-any-vehicle/106570 "2019-02-13T11:54:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![DonaldTrump\_Fyou](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/94ad74/32.png) [@DonaldTrump\_Fyou](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DonaldTrump_Fyou)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 11:54am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/after-the-update-at-13-feb-light-tanks-20mm-shell-cant-do-any-damage-to-any-vehicle/106570/1 "2019-02-13T11:54:00Z")
After the update at 13-Feb, light tank’s 20mm shell can’t do any damage to any vehicle. DICE please, come on. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlrm4DNfvb8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlrm4DNfvb8) youtube video as evidence. ---
**Author:** ![ninjapenquinuk](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/eb8c5e/32.png) [@ninjapenquinuk](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ninjapenquinuk)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 12:09pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/after-the-update-at-13-feb-light-tanks-20mm-shell-cant-do-any-damage-to-any-vehicle/106570/2 "2019-02-13T12:09:00Z")
IMO 20mm should do negligible damage to medium heavy tanks. I’m talking 1-2 points of damage. But i’m fine with them doing zero damage. However 20mm should still properly damage other light tanks/MAA and all transports. ---
**Author:** ![ElSamuel04](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/ed655f/32.png) [@ElSamuel04](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ElSamuel04)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 12:22pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/after-the-update-at-13-feb-light-tanks-20mm-shell-cant-do-any-damage-to-any-vehicle/106570/3 "2019-02-13T12:22:00Z")
There is something wrong :o ---
**Author:** ![llMazoRll](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/llmazorll/32/106885_2.png) [@llMazoRll](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/llMazoRll)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 2:16pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/after-the-update-at-13-feb-light-tanks-20mm-shell-cant-do-any-damage-to-any-vehicle/106570/4 "2019-02-13T14:16:00Z")
oh yeah, no more people playing with this frag tank, go for a medium or heavy tank.. ---
**Author:** ![narnold700](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/f05b48/32.png) [@narnold700](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/narnold700)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 4:19pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/after-the-update-at-13-feb-light-tanks-20mm-shell-cant-do-any-damage-to-any-vehicle/106570/5 "2019-02-13T16:19:00Z")
Can’t say I disagree with the 20mm getting an anti-armor nerf as it was way too powerful against tanks. I’m just hoping the AA tanks got tweaked as well because it wouldn’t be a step in the right direction to have everyone that was using light tanks all the time to jump over to the AA tanks. ---
**Author:** ![DALLAS-ak-PEIPER](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/dallas-ak-peiper/32/101613_2.png) [@DALLAS-ak-PEIPER](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DALLAS-ak-PEIPER)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 5:04pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/after-the-update-at-13-feb-light-tanks-20mm-shell-cant-do-any-damage-to-any-vehicle/106570/6 "2019-02-13T17:04:00Z")
I saw a Sherman tank few months ago crippled with .50 bullets from the battle of the bugle (i live there) and it did a lot of damage to the tank. 20mm should definitly hurt a bit, 0 damage sounds wierd. I m ok for a small nerf but no 0 damage. ---
**Author:** ![Feney\_exe](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/feney_exe/32/106671_2.png) [@Feney\_exe](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Feney_exe)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 5:15pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/after-the-update-at-13-feb-light-tanks-20mm-shell-cant-do-any-damage-to-any-vehicle/106570/7 "2019-02-13T17:15:00Z")
Cannot believe people are trying to defend this by using the ‘muh realism’ argument. This is a game not a military sim and this is clearly an unintended bug. Gone are the days when people base their arguments of game play and i am fed up of seeing the stupid realism argument in every thread. ---
**Author:** ![wc138](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/wc138/32/104046_2.png) [@wc138](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/wc138)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 5:29pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/after-the-update-at-13-feb-light-tanks-20mm-shell-cant-do-any-damage-to-any-vehicle/106570/8 "2019-02-13T17:29:00Z")
> [@Feney\_exe](#): > > Cannot believe people are trying to defend this by using the ‘muh realism’ argument. This is a game not a military sim and this is clearly an unintended bug. Gone are the days when people base their arguments of game play and i am fed up of seeing the stupid realism argument in every thread. Oh? Then to hell with realism, right? Bring on the laser cannons, and the shoulder mounted nuke launchers, and attack robots. Or whatever. Because why realism, bro? ---
**Author:** ![Feney\_exe](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/feney_exe/32/106671_2.png) [@Feney\_exe](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Feney_exe)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 5:42pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/after-the-update-at-13-feb-light-tanks-20mm-shell-cant-do-any-damage-to-any-vehicle/106570/9 "2019-02-13T17:42:00Z")
> [@wc138](#): > > > [@Feney\_exe](#): > > > > Cannot believe people are trying to defend this by using the ‘muh realism’ argument. This is a game not a military sim and this is clearly an unintended bug. Gone are the days when people base their arguments of game play and i am fed up of seeing the stupid realism argument in every thread. > > Oh? Then to hell with realism, right? Bring on the laser cannons, and the shoulder mounted nuke launchers, and attack robots. Or whatever. Because why realism, bro? realism when it comes to the aesthetics and feel of the weapons, vehicles, maps and setting of the game is fine but using realism as a means to dictate gameplay is a flawed argument. Why allow re spawning? its not possible in real life so why is it in the game? why doesn’t every gun in the game one shot to the head? why doesn’t the Tiger 1 one shot all light / medium tanks from the front? the realism argument is so flawed when it comes to gameplay. ---
**Author:** ![rainkloud](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/rainkloud/32/103214_2.png) [@rainkloud](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/rainkloud)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 6:05pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/after-the-update-at-13-feb-light-tanks-20mm-shell-cant-do-any-damage-to-any-vehicle/106570/10 "2019-02-13T18:05:00Z")
Zero damage is extreme - I would have rather seen it do tiny chip damage but I can understand the reluctance to have it do even that as that would prevent repairs from taking place so I guess I’m okay. Now if someone can test and see I imagine it should be doing much better vs infantry now. ---
**Author:** ![Starker96](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Starker96](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Starker96)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 6:07pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/after-the-update-at-13-feb-light-tanks-20mm-shell-cant-do-any-damage-to-any-vehicle/106570/11 "2019-02-13T18:07:00Z")
I think it makes damage, just the game doesn’t give you the points for that. ---
**Author:** ![MBT\_Layzan](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/mbt_layzan/32/102770_2.png) [@MBT\_Layzan](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MBT_Layzan)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 6:22pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/after-the-update-at-13-feb-light-tanks-20mm-shell-cant-do-any-damage-to-any-vehicle/106570/12 "2019-02-13T18:22:00Z")
That seems extreme. A bug? ---
**Author:** ![rainkloud](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/rainkloud/32/103214_2.png) [@rainkloud](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/rainkloud)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 6:31pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/after-the-update-at-13-feb-light-tanks-20mm-shell-cant-do-any-damage-to-any-vehicle/106570/13 "2019-02-13T18:31:00Z")
> [@Feney\_exe](#): > > Cannot believe people are trying to defend this by using the ‘muh realism’ argument. This is a game not a military sim and this is clearly an unintended bug. Gone are the days when people base their arguments of game play and i am fed up of seeing the stupid realism argument in every thread. You couldn’t be more wrong. This isn’t about realism it’s about balance. The 20mm cannons had very high velocity and could effectively kite larger slower armor. The light tank had a large target and a huge stockpile of high velocity ammo while the heavy tank had a small target and comparatively slow projectiles. People have been calling for an adjustment for months. Now maybe zero damage was a little much but I believe they went with full zero damage so it wouldn’t prevent a tank from repairing (any damage stops the repair cycle). There is very little chance in my opinion that this is a bug. It matches too closely for what people have been calling for awhile. ---
**Author:** ![rainkloud](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/rainkloud/32/103214_2.png) [@rainkloud](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/rainkloud)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 6:31pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/after-the-update-at-13-feb-light-tanks-20mm-shell-cant-do-any-damage-to-any-vehicle/106570/14 "2019-02-13T18:31:00Z")
> [@Ichstarker](#): > > I think it makes damage, just the game doesn’t give you the points for that. In the video you can see the player receiving fire and taking no damage. ---
**Author:** ![oX\_oBIGBOSS-FoX](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/ox_obigboss-fox/32/107039_2.png) [@oX\_oBIGBOSS-FoX](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/oX_oBIGBOSS-FoX)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 6:34pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/after-the-update-at-13-feb-light-tanks-20mm-shell-cant-do-any-damage-to-any-vehicle/106570/15 "2019-02-13T18:34:00Z")
The same 20mm cannon on fighter planes stopped dealing dmg to vehicles one month ago. DICE just applied this change uniformly on all types of 20mm, i don’t see there is any problem. ---
**Author:** ![Anti-Messiah](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/dfb087/32.png) [@Anti-Messiah](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Anti-Messiah)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 6:47pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/after-the-update-at-13-feb-light-tanks-20mm-shell-cant-do-any-damage-to-any-vehicle/106570/16 "2019-02-13T18:47:00Z")
Patch notes are up and I’m not seeing this in it. Has anyone else found this in notes at all? ---
**Author:** ![DukeSan27](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/dukesan27/32/101798_2.png) [@DukeSan27](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DukeSan27)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 7:10pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/after-the-update-at-13-feb-light-tanks-20mm-shell-cant-do-any-damage-to-any-vehicle/106570/17 "2019-02-13T19:10:00Z")
> [@rainkloud](#): > > > [@Feney\_exe](#): > > > > Cannot believe people are trying to defend this by using the ‘muh realism’ argument. This is a game not a military sim and this is clearly an unintended bug. Gone are the days when people base their arguments of game play and i am fed up of seeing the stupid realism argument in every thread. > > You couldn’t be more wrong. This isn’t about realism it’s about balance. The 20mm cannons had very high velocity and could effectively kite larger slower armor. The light tank had a large target and a huge stockpile of high velocity ammo while the heavy tank had a small target and comparatively slow projectiles. People have been calling for an adjustment for months. Now maybe zero damage was a little much but I believe they went with full zero damage so it wouldn’t prevent a tank from repairing (any damage stops the repair cycle). > > There is very little chance in my opinion that this is a bug. It matches too closely for what people have been calling for awhile. I am going to assume its a bug. Its not even damaging a Stag. That can’t be right. While 20mm needs a nerf, they can reduce the rounds to 15 before overheat or not give angle advantages like 2x on rear. Zero damage is absurd and would have surely been mentioned in the patch notes if DICE did not want 20mm to damage other armor. ---
**Author:** ![M\_Rat13](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@M\_Rat13](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/M_Rat13)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/after-the-update-at-13-feb-light-tanks-20mm-shell-cant-do-any-damage-to-any-vehicle/106570/18 "2019-02-13T19:22:00Z")
Have you tried using the 37mm gun? You know, the actual anti tank gun? And if you’re that mad you can’t spam armour to death any more, use the bigger guns on the AA tanks, they are still as broken as ever. ---
**Author:** ![rainkloud](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/rainkloud/32/103214_2.png) [@rainkloud](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/rainkloud)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 7:36pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/after-the-update-at-13-feb-light-tanks-20mm-shell-cant-do-any-damage-to-any-vehicle/106570/19 "2019-02-13T19:36:00Z")
> [@DukeSan27](#): > > > [@rainkloud](#): > > > > > [@Feney\_exe](#): > > > > > > Cannot believe people are trying to defend this by using the ‘muh realism’ argument. This is a game not a military sim and this is clearly an unintended bug. Gone are the days when people base their arguments of game play and i am fed up of seeing the stupid realism argument in every thread. > > > > You couldn’t be more wrong. This isn’t about realism it’s about balance. The 20mm cannons had very high velocity and could effectively kite larger slower armor. The light tank had a large target and a huge stockpile of high velocity ammo while the heavy tank had a small target and comparatively slow projectiles. People have been calling for an adjustment for months. Now maybe zero damage was a little much but I believe they went with full zero damage so it wouldn’t prevent a tank from repairing (any damage stops the repair cycle). > > > > There is very little chance in my opinion that this is a bug. It matches too closely for what people have been calling for awhile. > > I am going to assume its a bug. Its not even damaging a Stag. That can’t be right. > > While 20mm needs a nerf, they can reduce the rounds to 15 before overheat or not give angle advantages like 2x on rear. > > Zero damage is absurd and would have surely been mentioned in the patch notes if DICE did not want 20mm to damage other armor. There is a possibility that they tried to reduce the damage but then reduced it below the threshold. The way the material modifiers work is you take Weapon A vs Material B and you have a modifier that takes the standard damage and modifies it by whatever the multiplier is. However there is also a damage threshold that is on some vehicle that says “any damage below this amount will not count as damage.” It’s possible they adjusted the modifier but forgot to compensate for the damage threshold. ---
**Author:** ![DukeSan27](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/dukesan27/32/101798_2.png) [@DukeSan27](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DukeSan27)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 9:00pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/after-the-update-at-13-feb-light-tanks-20mm-shell-cant-do-any-damage-to-any-vehicle/106570/20 "2019-02-13T21:00:00Z")
Not to kill the suspense, it it’s intentional - [Undocumented Tank Changes](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/undocumented-tank-changes/106573) [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/after-the-update-at-13-feb-light-tanks-20mm-shell-cant-do-any-damage-to-any-vehicle/106570.md?page=2)