# Are famous battlefield YouTubers ruining the franchise? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 4, 2016, 1:27pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406 "2016-07-04T13:27:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![GoodKill47](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/goodkill47/32/102090_2.png) [@GoodKill47](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/GoodKill47)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 1:55am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/41 "2016-07-05T01:55:00Z")
Focus groups and executive meddling ruined the franchise. I would be so much happier if the singleplayer consisted of bot play like in BF1942 instead of a glorified 5-hour QTE sequence. ---
**Author:** ![Raptor\_i81](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/raptor_i81/32/103224_2.png) [@Raptor\_i81](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Raptor_i81)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/42 "2016-07-05T01:59:00Z")
> [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > [@Raptor\_i81](#): > > > > > [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > > > > > [@Raptor\_i81](#): > > > > > > > > Yes they are , EA and DICE should stop taking them seriously , use them as advertising and marketing but nothing more most of them run and gun infantry players only and quick scope snipers . > > > > > > I’m curious… what exactly do you think we talk about in these feedback sessions > > > > Are famous battlefield YouTubers ruining the franchise? yes they are … > > Answer my question… What SPECIFICALLY do you think we do at these feedback sessions? Stop deflecting or your opinion will be passed off as uneducated nonsense Steering BF to be more arcade , and I said in my first reply “most” not all . ---
**Author:** ![ChickNFoot](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/chicknfoot/32/101502_2.png) [@ChickNFoot](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ChickNFoot)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 2:03am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/43 "2016-07-05T02:03:00Z")
This thread man, this thread. ---
**Author:** ![JonesMacGrath](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/jonesmacgrath/32/102419_2.png) [@JonesMacGrath](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JonesMacGrath)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 2:13am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/44 "2016-07-05T02:13:00Z")
> [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > [@Raptor\_i81](#): > > > > > [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > > > > > [@Raptor\_i81](#): > > > > > > > > Yes they are , EA and DICE should stop taking them seriously , use them as advertising and marketing but nothing more most of them run and gun infantry players only and quick scope snipers . > > > > > > I’m curious… what exactly do you think we talk about in these feedback sessions > > > > Are famous battlefield YouTubers ruining the franchise? yes they are … > > Answer my question… What SPECIFICALLY do you think we do at these feedback sessions? Stop deflecting or your opinion will be passed off as uneducated nonsense Let me preface this by saying I’m not the guy you’re talking to and I also don’t think you’re all “ruining battlefield”. I think the feedback sessions are pretty straight forward, you played the game, you give your opinion on the game and what is/isn’t good. What I suspect is that DICE thinks that all of your opinions are going to fall in line with those of your audience. While I find many of you entertaining, I rarely agree with any of you on how the game should be balanced. It irks me that you guys are potentially speaking for me especially when I know I probably don’t agree with most of what you guys are saying in these feed back sessions. ---
**Author:** ![ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thepoolshark/32/103801_2.png) [@ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ThePoolshark)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 2:46am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/45 "2016-07-05T02:46:00Z")
> [@Raptor\_i81](#): > > > [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > > > [@Raptor\_i81](#): > > > > > > > [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > > > > > > > [@Raptor\_i81](#): > > > > > > > > > > Yes they are , EA and DICE should stop taking them seriously , use them as advertising and marketing but nothing more most of them run and gun infantry players only and quick scope snipers . > > > > > > > > I’m curious… what exactly do you think we talk about in these feedback sessions > > > > > > Are famous battlefield YouTubers ruining the franchise? yes they are … > > > > Answer my question… What SPECIFICALLY do you think we do at these feedback sessions? Stop deflecting or your opinion will be passed off as uneducated nonsense > > Steering BF to be more arcade , and I said in my first reply “most” not all . BF has always been arcadey… besides, we don’t steer anything. If anything, we are more of a backseat driver that sometimes we say something that devs agree with ---
**Author:** ![ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thepoolshark/32/103801_2.png) [@ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ThePoolshark)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 2:49am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/46 "2016-07-05T02:49:00Z")
> [@JonesMacGrath](#): > > Let me preface this by saying I’m not the guy you’re talking to and I also don’t think you’re all “ruining battlefield”. I think the feedback sessions are pretty straight forward, you played the game, you give your opinion on the game and what is/isn’t good. What I suspect is that DICE thinks that all of your opinions are going to fall in line with those of your audience. While I find many of you entertaining, I rarely agree with any of you on how the game should be balanced. It irks me that you guys are potentially speaking for me especially when I know I probably don’t agree with most of what you guys are saying in these feed back sessions. We don’t talk about balance. we don’t see the telemetry for weapons, so we have no clue what is OP and what isn’t. I am going to make a video about what we do exactly tomorrow to clear up any confusion. ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 2:52am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/47 "2016-07-05T02:52:00Z")
Gonna have to tune in for that one. ---
**Author:** ![JonesMacGrath](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/jonesmacgrath/32/102419_2.png) [@JonesMacGrath](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JonesMacGrath)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 3:03am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/48 "2016-07-05T03:03:00Z")
> [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > [@JonesMacGrath](#): > > > > Let me preface this by saying I’m not the guy you’re talking to and I also don’t think you’re all “ruining battlefield”. I think the feedback sessions are pretty straight forward, you played the game, you give your opinion on the game and what is/isn’t good. What I suspect is that DICE thinks that all of your opinions are going to fall in line with those of your audience. While I find many of you entertaining, I rarely agree with any of you on how the game should be balanced. It irks me that you guys are potentially speaking for me especially when I know I probably don’t agree with most of what you guys are saying in these feed back sessions. > > We don’t talk about balance. we don’t see the telemetry for weapons, so we have no clue what is OP and what isn’t. I am going to make a video about what we do exactly tomorrow to clear up any confusion. That’s a load off of my mind, but I’m instantly more worried because now it could be worse and I don’t know what it is. Looking forward to that video. ---
**Author:** ![SyfruitCamelia](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/syfruitcamelia/32/103674_2.png) [@SyfruitCamelia](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SyfruitCamelia)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 3:30am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/49 "2016-07-05T03:30:00Z")
> [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > [@Raptor\_i81](#): > > > > Yes they are , EA and DICE should stop taking them seriously , use them as advertising and marketing but nothing more most of them run and gun infantry players only and quick scope snipers . > > I’m curious… what exactly do you think we talk about in these feedback sessions feedback from a vocal minority Statistical data on gun performance on all maps and modes Statistical data on vehicle performance on all maps and modes I’m sure you have the analysts who are capable of managing the data, but don’t actually know what to do WITH it. In other games like MOBAS, where there is a clear set ranked mode, the dev team tries to at least balance around for that and competitive play. It’s not even remotely plausible to try to balance the game for competitive play because 5v5 AEK TDM isn’t a focal point Now you realize that when “pro” youtubers tell the sheep to do something, that your data correlates to it? Do you know how many kids run around with AEK in locker not knowing what to do? BTW leveltrash makes videos for Overwatch, except that there are established competitive players in Overwatch and no one listens to leveltrash’ opinion in his Overwatch videos, except his battlefield fans who carried over. ---
**Author:** ![lllTheSentinelll](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/lllthesentinelll/32/100928_2.png) [@lllTheSentinelll](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/lllTheSentinelll)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 3:36am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/50 "2016-07-05T03:36:00Z")
Yes. The voices of a few charismatic, but not too smart, people influence them a lot more than they should. They’ll never see a single, good post on the forums in the same way that they would the request of someone in person that they are actually talking to. Not to mention, stupid ideas given to you by your favorite YouTuber might start to sound like good advice…and their single opinions are amplified because all of their diehard fans embrace whatever they say. I’d say LevelCap alone (1 person) ruined a lot of Battlefield. ---
**Author:** ![ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thepoolshark/32/103801_2.png) [@ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ThePoolshark)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 4:28am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/51 "2016-07-05T04:28:00Z")
> [@SyfruitCamelia](#): > > > [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > > > [@Raptor\_i81](#): > > > > > > Yes they are , EA and DICE should stop taking them seriously , use them as advertising and marketing but nothing more most of them run and gun infantry players only and quick scope snipers . > > > > I’m curious… what exactly do you think we talk about in these feedback sessions > > feedback from a vocal minority > > Statistical data on gun performance on all maps and modes > > Statistical data on vehicle performance on all maps and modes > > I’m sure you have the analysts who are capable of managing the data, but don’t actually know what to do WITH it. In other games like MOBAS, where there is a clear set ranked mode, the dev team tries to at least balance around for that and competitive play. It’s not even remotely plausible to try to balance the game for competitive play because 5v5 AEK TDM isn’t a focal point > > Now you realize that when “pro” youtubers tell the sheep to do something, that your data correlates to it? Do you know how many kids run around with AEK in locker not knowing what to do? > > BTW leveltrash makes videos for Overwatch, except that there are established competitive players in Overwatch and no one listens to leveltrash’ opinion in his Overwatch videos, except his battlefield fans who carried over. You are wrong on all aspects, but feel free to try again ---
**Author:** ![SyfruitCamelia](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/syfruitcamelia/32/103674_2.png) [@SyfruitCamelia](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SyfruitCamelia)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 4:57am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/52 "2016-07-05T04:57:00Z")
> [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > [@SyfruitCamelia](#): > > > > > [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > > > > > [@Raptor\_i81](#): > > > > > > > > Yes they are , EA and DICE should stop taking them seriously , use them as advertising and marketing but nothing more most of them run and gun infantry players only and quick scope snipers . > > > > > > I’m curious… what exactly do you think we talk about in these feedback sessions > > > > feedback from a vocal minority > > > > Statistical data on gun performance on all maps and modes > > > > Statistical data on vehicle performance on all maps and modes > > > > I’m sure you have the analysts who are capable of managing the data, but don’t actually know what to do WITH it. In other games like MOBAS, where there is a clear set ranked mode, the dev team tries to at least balance around for that and competitive play. It’s not even remotely plausible to try to balance the game for competitive play because 5v5 AEK TDM isn’t a focal point > > > > Now you realize that when “pro” youtubers tell the sheep to do something, that your data correlates to it? Do you know how many kids run around with AEK in locker not knowing what to do? > > > > BTW leveltrash makes videos for Overwatch, except that there are established competitive players in Overwatch and no one listens to leveltrash’ opinion in his Overwatch videos, except his battlefield fans who carried over. > > You are wrong on all aspects, but feel free to try again yep, I made a guess since I have zero information and sources why don’t you tell me what actually happens in dev meetings, instead of baiting for more replies and making remarks to anyone else who guesses wrong ---
**Author:** ![IHaveHacksDuh](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/f475e1/32.png) [@IHaveHacksDuh](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/IHaveHacksDuh)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 4:57am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/53 "2016-07-05T04:57:00Z")
The issue is that most big youtubers are barely average at this game. It would be better if they listened to the best players like Reeela, Ravic, and other top tier players. We have a better idea of balance than the noob players crying about simple things that you can easily avoid with experience. ---
**Author:** ![SyfruitCamelia](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/syfruitcamelia/32/103674_2.png) [@SyfruitCamelia](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SyfruitCamelia)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 5:00am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/54 "2016-07-05T05:00:00Z")
> [@IHaveHacksDuh](#): > > The issue is that most big youtubers are barely average at this game. It would be better if they listened to the best players like Reeela, Ravic, and other top tier players. We have a better idea of balance than the noob players crying about simple things that you can easily avoid with experience. lol Reela and Ravic are 64 locker pubstars, and awful at every other aspect of the game not a single youtube “pro” is capable of playing anything outside their comfort zone of TDM and Locker ---
**Author:** ![ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thepoolshark/32/103801_2.png) [@ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ThePoolshark)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 5:06am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/55 "2016-07-05T05:06:00Z")
> [@SyfruitCamelia](#): > > > [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > > > [@SyfruitCamelia](#): > > > > > > > [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > > > > > > > [@Raptor\_i81](#): > > > > > > > > > > Yes they are , EA and DICE should stop taking them seriously , use them as advertising and marketing but nothing more most of them run and gun infantry players only and quick scope snipers . > > > > > > > > I’m curious… what exactly do you think we talk about in these feedback sessions > > > > > > feedback from a vocal minority > > > > > > Statistical data on gun performance on all maps and modes > > > > > > Statistical data on vehicle performance on all maps and modes > > > > > > I’m sure you have the analysts who are capable of managing the data, but don’t actually know what to do WITH it. In other games like MOBAS, where there is a clear set ranked mode, the dev team tries to at least balance around for that and competitive play. It’s not even remotely plausible to try to balance the game for competitive play because 5v5 AEK TDM isn’t a focal point > > > > > > Now you realize that when “pro” youtubers tell the sheep to do something, that your data correlates to it? Do you know how many kids run around with AEK in locker not knowing what to do? > > > > > > BTW leveltrash makes videos for Overwatch, except that there are established competitive players in Overwatch and no one listens to leveltrash’ opinion in his Overwatch videos, except his battlefield fans who carried over. > > > > You are wrong on all aspects, but feel free to try again > > yep, I made a guess > > since I have zero information and sources why don’t you tell me what actually happens in dev meetings, instead of baiting for more replies and making remarks to anyone else who guesses wrong not typing it out, it will take far too long on a phone screen. will post my video tomorrow so everyone understands our role in development ---
**Author:** ![Rev0verDrive](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@Rev0verDrive](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Rev0verDrive)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 5:08am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/56 "2016-07-05T05:08:00Z")
> [@IHaveHacksDuh](#): > > The issue is that most big youtubers are barely average at this game. It would be better if they listened to the best players like Reeela, Ravic, and other top tier players. We have a better idea of balance than the noob players crying about simple things that you can easily avoid with experience. Top KEKs for this one. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raaawwwrrr](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Mr\_Raaawwwrrr](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Mr_Raaawwwrrr)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 5:58am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/57 "2016-07-05T05:58:00Z")
I know this sounds crazy but in my opinion… The battlefield community itself is ruining the franchise. Or i should say the small majority of “them”. How? From my view, i’ve seen numerous of complaints in the forums about anything in Battlefield games like BF3, BF4, and Hardline. What kind of complaints? complaints on the balance of weapons, vehicles, maps, gamemodes, DLC, and everything else. I remember seeing so much complaints in BF4 forums about the jets. To this day, There are still players out there that complain that the jets are OP when in reality, they are not OP at all. There are numerous and easy ways to take down the jets. The results? DICE has nerfed the out of the jets (mostly stealth jets) and now it feels like my jet is shooting toothpics instead of shutting bullets. It’s just sad seeing DICE has actually listened to these crybabies. And DICE has actually buffed the stingers too! WHY?!?!?! As for these BF youtubers, i’m kinda on and off about them. I just wished more of them would go deep into the small issues of vehicles. There are still lots of problems with the vehicles especially in jets too. Theses issues from BF3 has also migrated to BF4 too. And yes… i’ve noticed that most of these youtubers have played only infantry or i should say assault class. Once levelcap has mentioned that the new tanks in BF1 are a bit powerful, i was like “seriously?? Vehicles are supposed to be feared!!”. I feel that i’m going a bit off topic on this but in MY OPINION, the majority of the Battlefield community is ruining the franchise. It’s not just the Battlefield Youtubers. And i also blame DICE for listening to these crybabies too! Again, this is just my view. ---
**Author:** ![KakeHC](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/kakehc/32/102458_2.png) [@KakeHC](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/KakeHC)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 6:31am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/58 "2016-07-05T06:31:00Z")
Guyssss. Wait for beta. Dont listen to every opinions Crying is fun tho. ---
**Author:** ![DrVeloxcity](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/drveloxcity/32/101791_2.png) [@DrVeloxcity](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DrVeloxcity)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 8:01am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/59 "2016-07-05T08:01:00Z")
I agree with Youtubers being too percentage as they are chosen first and are usually very good. Ugh another one. If you didn’t enjoy the game, that’s on you but the game isn’t bad. (HARDLINE) ---
**Author:** ![kesolb](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/kesolb/32/102490_2.png) [@kesolb](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/kesolb)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 8:40am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/60 "2016-07-05T08:40:00Z")
They listen to people that are able to make a point and argue for it. If you disagree with someone’s viewpoints, or his/her wishes and wants for battlefield i am sure both the youtuber, and dice would appreciate your input on WHY you disagree. Just make sure you act like an adult and criticize the opinions, not the person. This thread is a perfect example of immature behavior and criticism that leads nowhere. [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406.md?page=2) [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406.md?page=4)