# Are famous battlefield YouTubers ruining the franchise? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 4, 2016, 1:27pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406 "2016-07-04T13:27:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Rev0verDrive](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@Rev0verDrive](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Rev0verDrive)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 4:12am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/81 "2016-07-06T04:12:00Z")
> [@kesolb](#): > > They listen to people that are able to make a point and argue for it. > > If you disagree with someone’s viewpoints, or his/her wishes and wants for battlefield i am sure both the youtuber, and dice would appreciate your input on WHY you disagree. Just make sure you act like an adult and criticize the opinions, not the person. > > This thread is a perfect example of immature behavior and criticism that leads nowhere. Adding to this… When you make a suggestion and or argument against one it cannot be one sided. All: sides, functionality etc must be considered. How it affects every game mode (where applicable), every preset ets needs to be considered. Dropping a 30 second “oh snap that’s a sweet idea” just doesn’t cut it and gets shredded in seconds. Dont waste posting time or DB space doing it. ---
**Author:** ![Xuvial](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/xuvial/32/104138_2.png) [@Xuvial](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Xuvial)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 6:01am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/82 "2016-07-06T06:01:00Z")
> [@ThePoolshark](#): > > BF has always been arcadey… besides, we don’t steer anything. If anything, we are more of a backseat driver that sometimes we say something that devs agree with As far as as a ton of dummies here are concerned, youtubers fully control DICE. Good luck convincing them otherwise 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Xuvial](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/xuvial/32/104138_2.png) [@Xuvial](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Xuvial)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 6:03am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/83 "2016-07-06T06:03:00Z")
> [@IHaveHacksDuh](#): > > The issue is that most big youtubers are barely average at this game. It would be better if they listened to the best players like Reeela, Ravic, and other top tier players. We have a better idea of balance than the noob players crying about simple things that you can easily avoid with experience. If DICE listened to Relaaa then there would only be 3 guns in the entire Battlefield franchise (M16 / AEK / ACE). ---
**Author:** ![SyfruitCamelia](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/syfruitcamelia/32/103674_2.png) [@SyfruitCamelia](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SyfruitCamelia)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 6:09am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/84 "2016-07-06T06:09:00Z")
> [@ESF-IggyAz\_Skrub](#): > > > [@SyfruitCamelia](#): > > > > > [@ESF-IggyAz\_Skrub](#): > > > > > > Levelcap is really the only one that seems to thrive off TDM footages in his videos. > > > > > > I do have some gripes about YouTubers having so much sway, as most of them don’t give two craps about the competitive and will only occasionally make broad stroke conjectures about what the competitive scene needs (Jack and xfactor used to compete but both seem to be largely outdated in their views and current skill). > > > > > > That said its ridiculous assume a “certain way to play” is the only way to play. > > > > > > I do think DICE needs to pay more attention to the competitive community to even remotely have a chance at being able to at least provide a separate mode/ruleset to help nourish the competitive scene (defuse was a joke), but at the end of the day DICE is making a game in large part catered around those seeking the “public server” experience. > > > > > > You can boast all you want about “beating” levelcap on a rush server (rush mode of all things) with your team stacked with God knows how many (you know any crew of 3-5 even marginally experienced/good players would trash a casual crew of youtubers), but you also gotta get off your high ground about it. > > > > > > Rush is THE mode where you can farm blinded rushers to oblivion, not that any particular mode is all that more accolade worthy as long as you’re in public play. > > > > kek > > > > I’m supposed to be impressed at “competitive” ACE23 Field or your 64 locker shitstomps? > > > > rush is one of the most balanced places to play infantry, as all weapons and gadgets see use alongside vehicles, especially in a high traffic server with tons of skilled 140s playing in it constantly, as opposed to “MLG PROS ONLYXXXXXXXXX AEK LOCKER” which invariably ends up with someone with an MG4 mowing down a backline and calling it “skilled paly” > > > > I’m sorry you need to make excuses for failing at the only one thing you’re good at, locker pubstomping > > > > But feel free to play Rush and “farm” it as you suppose that I do and show me how “Easy” it is. I’m more than comfortable playing your game modes. > > I got nothing to prove. Anyone half decent is gonna be comfortable playing any mode in this game in the public environment. I don’t really pub much at all anymore outside scrims and matches in 10s, can’t be bothered to find the time. Especially with being in BF1 alpha and what have you. I don’t need to prove to you that ‘pub modes’ are never gonna be on par with competitive 8s and 10s. > > It is knowwn~. if you had anything to prove you would be playing CSGO for actual ranked competitive gameplay even overwatch has infinitely better competitive scene than battlefield but you don’t because you like to play pubstar games and pretend it’s hard, but you can’t even prove you’re good at pubstomping locker even ---
**Author:** ![SyfruitCamelia](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/syfruitcamelia/32/103674_2.png) [@SyfruitCamelia](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SyfruitCamelia)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 6:09am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/85 "2016-07-06T06:09:00Z")
> [@Xuvial](#): > > > [@IHaveHacksDuh](#): > > > > The issue is that most big youtubers are barely average at this game. It would be better if they listened to the best players like Reeela, Ravic, and other top tier players. We have a better idea of balance than the noob players crying about simple things that you can easily avoid with experience. > > If DICE listened to Relaaa then there would only be 3 guns in the entire Battlefield franchise (M16 / AEK / ACE). there would also be no vehicles and we would all play locker all day ---
**Author:** ![James\_D\_Sidious](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/james_d_sidious/32/102357_2.png) [@James\_D\_Sidious](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/James_D_Sidious)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 6:26am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/86 "2016-07-06T06:26:00Z")
Yes, just by watching LevelCraps video complaining about tanks beeing too powerful because he can’t solo them as infantry shows they are the worst when it comes to having a proper Battlefield game ever again ---
**Author:** ![thegayklingon](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/f04885/32.png) [@thegayklingon](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/thegayklingon)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 9:34am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/87 "2016-07-06T09:34:00Z")
i made a video on the fact that bigtime youtubers have too much say westie levelcap ponylion jackfrags the usual suspects now have a say or are asked how do we make the game better and there not always right marksman bonus dissapearing made a lot of snipers angry I saw nothing worng with the bonus and attacked that group of youtubers that did cheer dice la when it got taken away wellif i was a big youtuber im not 4k ☹ id be askinf forums subs then doing a video on things that should be nerfed buffed etc see me on youtube for more Klonkers aka the gay klingon bf4 ---
**Author:** ![thegayklingon](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/f04885/32.png) [@thegayklingon](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/thegayklingon)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 9:36am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/88 "2016-07-06T09:36:00Z")
its also an easy lazy defense to say im only saying this because im salty at not being successful at doing clickbait videos and playing Quite well on battlefield and spending hours doing a stunt like ponylion does to get that viral clip lol ---
**Author:** ![MartinBabl](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@MartinBabl](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MartinBabl)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 11:52am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/89 "2016-07-06T11:52:00Z")
Here we have a famouse battlefield Youtuber trying to improve the Battlefield Franchise. [![Video: YouTube](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/e/8/e82bd8f93d7ffa96176f862722f1bd0b2d72bf52.jpeg "YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g4hT6ormi4) ---
**Author:** ![ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thepoolshark/32/103801_2.png) [@ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ThePoolshark)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 2:49pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/90 "2016-07-06T14:49:00Z")
So, I finally got approval to post this video. A day late, but it should explain a little more what we actually do as game changers. Also, due to time, I didn’t get a chance to record pure audio which is why the game is a bit loud. [![Video: EA Game Changers- What are they?](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/1/1/11e94fe37b8e566a55945d06f8240249346b3010.jpeg "EA Game Changers- What are they?") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57Jk5ZgxUqU) ---
**Author:** ![IntelligantSteak](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/87869e/32.png) [@IntelligantSteak](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/IntelligantSteak)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 3:16pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/91 "2016-07-06T15:16:00Z")
I don’t think big time youtubers are ruining it. Just because YOU don’t like something doesn’t mean that the vast majority hates it as well. They give feedback. We peasants give feedback. DICE and EA listen and take feedback into consideration. So what if they took LevelCap’s suggestion or my suggestion. It has NOTHING to do with being a big fish and EVERYTHING to do with listening to the community AS A WHOLE. ---
**Author:** ![ESF-IggyAz\_Skrub](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/esf-iggyaz_skrub/32/101874_2.png) [@ESF-IggyAz\_Skrub](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ESF-IggyAz_Skrub)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 4:10pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/92 "2016-07-06T16:10:00Z")
> [@SyfruitCamelia](#): > > > [@ESF-IggyAz\_Skrub](#): > > > > > [@SyfruitCamelia](#): > > > > > > > [@ESF-IggyAz\_Skrub](#): > > > > > > > > Levelcap is really the only one that seems to thrive off TDM footages in his videos. > > > > > > > > I do have some gripes about YouTubers having so much sway, as most of them don’t give two craps about the competitive and will only occasionally make broad stroke conjectures about what the competitive scene needs (Jack and xfactor used to compete but both seem to be largely outdated in their views and current skill). > > > > > > > > That said its ridiculous assume a “certain way to play” is the only way to play. > > > > > > > > I do think DICE needs to pay more attention to the competitive community to even remotely have a chance at being able to at least provide a separate mode/ruleset to help nourish the competitive scene (defuse was a joke), but at the end of the day DICE is making a game in large part catered around those seeking the “public server” experience. > > > > > > > > You can boast all you want about “beating” levelcap on a rush server (rush mode of all things) with your team stacked with God knows how many (you know any crew of 3-5 even marginally experienced/good players would trash a casual crew of youtubers), but you also gotta get off your high ground about it. > > > > > > > > Rush is THE mode where you can farm blinded rushers to oblivion, not that any particular mode is all that more accolade worthy as long as you’re in public play. > > > > > > kek > > > > > > I’m supposed to be impressed at “competitive” ACE23 Field or your 64 locker shitstomps? > > > > > > rush is one of the most balanced places to play infantry, as all weapons and gadgets see use alongside vehicles, especially in a high traffic server with tons of skilled 140s playing in it constantly, as opposed to “MLG PROS ONLYXXXXXXXXX AEK LOCKER” which invariably ends up with someone with an MG4 mowing down a backline and calling it “skilled paly” > > > > > > I’m sorry you need to make excuses for failing at the only one thing you’re good at, locker pubstomping > > > > > > But feel free to play Rush and “farm” it as you suppose that I do and show me how “Easy” it is. I’m more than comfortable playing your game modes. > > > > I got nothing to prove. Anyone half decent is gonna be comfortable playing any mode in this game in the public environment. I don’t really pub much at all anymore outside scrims and matches in 10s, can’t be bothered to find the time. Especially with being in BF1 alpha and what have you. I don’t need to prove to you that ‘pub modes’ are never gonna be on par with competitive 8s and 10s. > > > > It is knowwn~. > > if you had anything to prove you would be playing CSGO for actual ranked competitive gameplay > > even overwatch has infinitely better competitive scene than battlefield > > but you don’t because you like to play pubstar games and pretend it’s hard, but you can’t even prove you’re good at pubstomping locker even I enjoy playing Battlefield over CS:GO or the glorified MOBA that is Overwatch, so I prefer to play THAT game I enjoy at the highest level available (5s, 10s, and 8s). I am noticing a disturbing pattern of you completely dismissing without qualification or sometimes not even acknowledging any points that are contrary to your view, never mind your tendency to realllly tunnel vision on isolated pockets of what is being said by others only to further derail any given conversation from making genuine progress. I guess there’s no point. ---
**Author:** ![scorpionsITA84](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/scorpionsita84/32/103389_2.png) [@scorpionsITA84](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/scorpionsITA84)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 4:16pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/93 "2016-07-06T16:16:00Z")
> [@TheStrategist242](#): > > Do you believe that the famous YouTubers getting involved in the deployment process will ruin the franchise? Because I’m not gonna lie to me it seems like they had big time involvement in hard-line like level cap and that game was terrible they did all the things he liked and it made it a less fun game trying to be like counterstrike. I 100% agree. ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 4:28pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/94 "2016-07-06T16:28:00Z")
> [@ThePoolshark](#): > > So, I finally got approval to post this video. A day late, but it should explain a little more what we actually do as game changers. Also, due to time, I didn’t get a chance to record pure audio which is why the game is a bit loud. ## [Link to section: lol I was waiting for this video all day yesterday. Thanks for sharing and great work explaining what you guys do for the game. It seems the info in the video debunks a lot of what people in here are](#lol-i-was-waiting-for-this-video-all-day-yesterday-thanks-for-sharing-and-great-work-explaining-what-you-guys-do-for-the-game-it-seems-the-info-in-the-video-debunks-a-lot-of-what-people-in-here-are-saying-1)lol I was waiting for this video all day yesterday. Thanks for sharing and great work explaining what you guys do for the game. It seems the info in the video debunks a lot of what people in here are saying. ## [Link to section: Bottom line - DICE has the final say in the development process, and you guys just tell them what you think will make the game better. Sometimes they agree, sometimes (seemingly a lot of times) they d](#bottom-line-dice-has-the-final-say-in-the-development-process-and-you-guys-just-tell-them-what-you-think-will-make-the-game-better-sometimes-they-agree-sometimes-seemingly-a-lot-of-times-they-dont-2)Bottom line - DICE has the final say in the development process, and you guys just tell them what you think will make the game better. Sometimes they agree, sometimes (seemingly a lot of times) they don’t. No “Famous YouTuber” is making drastic changes to the franchise based on what they want. ---
**Author:** ![HawksAU](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/ac8455/32.png) [@HawksAU](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/HawksAU)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 4:39pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/95 "2016-07-06T16:39:00Z")
## [Link to section: My biggest problem with the majority of “Battlefield Youtubers” is the misinformation and bad habits they spread to their fanbase, the biggest example I’ve been able to find of this is a bunch of big](#my-biggest-problem-with-the-majority-of-battlefield-youtubers-is-the-misinformation-and-bad-habits-they-spread-to-their-fanbase-the-biggest-example-ive-been-able-to-find-of-this-is-a-bunch-of-big-youtubers-often-tell-people-trying-to-improve-to-go-slow-and-move-tactically-when-in-fact-this-is-exactly-what-you-dont-want-to-do-you-should-move-fast-and-unpredictably-at-every-opportunity-there-is-also-the-problem-that-is-obvious-is-a-ton-of-them-are-painfully-average-at-the-game-and-have-some-of-the-worst-habits-when-playing-and-only-play-good-because-they-always-have-a-team-to-play-with-who-will-back-them-up-and-cover-obvious-mistakes-im-also-seriously-skeptical-of-anyone-with-an-ea-sponsorship-because-they-have-incentive-to-give-biased-and-even-payed-off-impressions-ill-never-forget-the-time-one-of-the-biggest-youtubers-went-on-and-on-advertising-for-bf-hardline-saying-it-was-the-best-battlefield-game-to-date-only-for-it-to-be-a-big-fat-lie-1)My biggest problem with the majority of _“Battlefield Youtubers”_ is the misinformation and bad habits they spread to their fanbase, the biggest example I’ve been able to find of this is a bunch of big _“Youtubers”_ often tell people trying to improve to “go slow and move tactically,” when in fact this is exactly what you don’t want to do, you should move fast and unpredictably at every opportunity. There is also the problem that is obvious is a ton of them are painfully average at the game, and have some of the worst habits when playing and only play good because they always have a team to play with who will back them up and cover obvious mistakes. I’m also seriously skeptical of anyone with an EA sponsorship because they have incentive to give biased and even payed off impressions, I’ll never forget the time one of the biggest Youtubers went on and on advertising for BF: Hardline saying it was the “Best Battlefield game to date” only for it to be a big, fat lie. Not to mention the vast majority of their videos are painfully low effort “Top ten weapons!” or “Weapon Review” videos which is just them linking to symthic forums and talking about painfully obvious pros and cons for what, more than five minutes? In what could be summed up in a minute and a half and the only reason they drag it on is to make more Youtube money, absolutely painful to watch. Do yourself a favor and find some smaller people who actually know what they talk about and watch their videos instead. ---
**Author:** ![pss4dm](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/a6a055/32.png) [@pss4dm](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/pss4dm)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 4:46pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/96 "2016-07-06T16:46:00Z")
“I’m also seriously skeptical of anyone with an EA sponsorship because they have incentive to give biased and even payed off impressions” This is pretty much it. I take with a pinch of salt everything any of those people (youtubers or moderators) who were at the pre alpha event or involved in giving feedback during development (game changer program etc) say. It is a reasonable suspicion to have that they have been co-opted by the DEVS into giving positive reviews and minimizing legitimate critiques of the game in order to boost its sales. ---
**Author:** ![BluntObjctOfHate](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/bluntobjctofhate/32/101377_2.png) [@BluntObjctOfHate](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BluntObjctOfHate)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 5:06pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/97 "2016-07-06T17:06:00Z")
I see new people everytime I play Hardline now and most of the ones I’ve talked to on mic have said it’s an awesome game and they were told in the beginning that it was horrible but when they tried it for themselves it was a whole different story ,that’s what I’m talking about ,misinformation. ---
**Author:** ![Nyburgare](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/3ab097/32.png) [@Nyburgare](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Nyburgare)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 5:33pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/98 "2016-07-06T17:33:00Z")
@HawksAU Was a couple of years ago since I followed youtubers but what you say about small youtubers is so damn right! Same thing goes with youtube reviews, smaller channels seems to be more skeptical against what they testing and what some might consider a small issue not worth mentioning but can destroy a product for someone else is often brought up. Last part was a bit offtopic but my view on youtube in general is that a small/medium sized channel is often the way to go if you looking for honest opinions that you can relate to. You made a spot on post! ---
**Author:** ![SyfruitCamelia](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/syfruitcamelia/32/103674_2.png) [@SyfruitCamelia](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SyfruitCamelia)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 5:39pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/99 "2016-07-06T17:39:00Z")
> [@ESF-IggyAz\_Skrub](#): > > > [@SyfruitCamelia](#): > > > > > [@ESF-IggyAz\_Skrub](#): > > > > > > > [@SyfruitCamelia](#): > > > > > > > > > [@ESF-IggyAz\_Skrub](#): > > > > > > > > > > Levelcap is really the only one that seems to thrive off TDM footages in his videos. > > > > > > > > > > I do have some gripes about YouTubers having so much sway, as most of them don’t give two craps about the competitive and will only occasionally make broad stroke conjectures about what the competitive scene needs (Jack and xfactor used to compete but both seem to be largely outdated in their views and current skill). > > > > > > > > > > That said its ridiculous assume a “certain way to play” is the only way to play. > > > > > > > > > > I do think DICE needs to pay more attention to the competitive community to even remotely have a chance at being able to at least provide a separate mode/ruleset to help nourish the competitive scene (defuse was a joke), but at the end of the day DICE is making a game in large part catered around those seeking the “public server” experience. > > > > > > > > > > You can boast all you want about “beating” levelcap on a rush server (rush mode of all things) with your team stacked with God knows how many (you know any crew of 3-5 even marginally experienced/good players would trash a casual crew of youtubers), but you also gotta get off your high ground about it. > > > > > > > > > > Rush is THE mode where you can farm blinded rushers to oblivion, not that any particular mode is all that more accolade worthy as long as you’re in public play. > > > > > > > > kek > > > > > > > > I’m supposed to be impressed at “competitive” ACE23 Field or your 64 locker shitstomps? > > > > > > > > rush is one of the most balanced places to play infantry, as all weapons and gadgets see use alongside vehicles, especially in a high traffic server with tons of skilled 140s playing in it constantly, as opposed to “MLG PROS ONLYXXXXXXXXX AEK LOCKER” which invariably ends up with someone with an MG4 mowing down a backline and calling it “skilled paly” > > > > > > > > I’m sorry you need to make excuses for failing at the only one thing you’re good at, locker pubstomping > > > > > > > > But feel free to play Rush and “farm” it as you suppose that I do and show me how “Easy” it is. I’m more than comfortable playing your game modes. > > > > > > I got nothing to prove. Anyone half decent is gonna be comfortable playing any mode in this game in the public environment. I don’t really pub much at all anymore outside scrims and matches in 10s, can’t be bothered to find the time. Especially with being in BF1 alpha and what have you. I don’t need to prove to you that ‘pub modes’ are never gonna be on par with competitive 8s and 10s. > > > > > > It is knowwn~. > > > > if you had anything to prove you would be playing CSGO for actual ranked competitive gameplay > > > > even overwatch has infinitely better competitive scene than battlefield > > > > but you don’t because you like to play pubstar games and pretend it’s hard, but you can’t even prove you’re good at pubstomping locker even > > I enjoy playing Battlefield over CS:GO or the glorified MOBA that is Overwatch, so I prefer to play THAT game I enjoy at the highest level available (5s, 10s, and 8s). > > I am noticing a disturbing pattern of you completely dismissing without qualification or sometimes not even acknowledging any points that are contrary to your view, never mind your tendency to realllly tunnel vision on isolated pockets of what is being said by others only to further derail any given conversation from making genuine progress. > > I guess there’s no point. “my qualifications is that im a pubstar playing an easy casual game with no competitive scene” lolk What’s your rank in CSGO and overwatch? How about your MMR in Dota? dare I ask if you even play League? do you even play competitive games? Not saying that you’re bad if you don’t, but you clearly have no right to talk if you don’t play actual competitive games that take skill. You’re about as “qualified” and “Respected” as a bronze league player streaming his normals. That’s why no one will ever take your battlefield “pro” clan seriously. While 3k MMR Dota and Gold League players get more views and twitch money than your entire clan combined ---
**Author:** ![Nyburgare](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/3ab097/32.png) [@Nyburgare](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Nyburgare)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 5:51pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/100 "2016-07-06T17:51:00Z")
So people are forced to play games they dont like to have the right to voice their opinion? He says that he enjoys BF more than CS and Overwatch which isnt that weird since the only thing they share is that they are first person shooters. If he want a more competitive scene in his game of choice he have all the right in the world to say that without some self proclaimed dictator tell him to be quiet. [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406.md?page=4) [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406.md?page=6)