# Are famous battlefield YouTubers ruining the franchise? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 4, 2016, 1:27pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406 "2016-07-04T13:27:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![SyfruitCamelia](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/syfruitcamelia/32/103674_2.png) [@SyfruitCamelia](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SyfruitCamelia)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 6:01pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/101 "2016-07-06T18:01:00Z")
> [@Nyburgare](#): > > So people are forced to play games they dont like to have the right to voice their opinion? > He says that he enjoys BF more than CS and Overwatch which isnt that weird since the only thing they share is that they are first person shooters. If he want a more competitive scene in his game of choice he have all the right in the world to say that without some self proclaimed dictator tell him to be quiet. you can enjoy the casual game all you want and that’s fine. I enjoy BF more than CSGO and overwatch sometimes because I like to play 64 players in all out combined arms games. I play Battlefield for battlefield. I don’t play battlefield to take everything out and play 5v5 and pretend it’s competitve and fun. these trash cans talk about how they are a “respected competitive player” but you’re not even playing a competitive game and no one cares . when pubstars actually think that their “Accomplishments” in battlefield actually mean anything is laughable. Top end dota and league players are respected, perhaps if that’s what these “pros” want, they should stop trying to force it on the battlefield community and play actual competitive games with ranked play. ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 6:02pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/102 "2016-07-06T18:02:00Z")
> [@ESF-IggyAz\_Skrub](#): > > never mind your tendency to realllly tunnel vision on isolated pockets of what is being said by others only to further derail any given conversation from making genuine progress. You can say that again. ---
**Author:** ![ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thepoolshark/32/103801_2.png) [@ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ThePoolshark)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 6:05pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/103 "2016-07-06T18:05:00Z")
> [@pss4dm](#): > > “I’m also seriously skeptical of anyone with an EA sponsorship because they have incentive to give biased and even payed off impressions” > > This is pretty much it. I take with a pinch of salt everything any of those people (youtubers or moderators) who were at the pre alpha event or involved in giving feedback during development (game changer program etc) say. It is a reasonable suspicion to have that they have been co-opted by the DEVS into giving positive reviews and minimizing legitimate critiques of the game in order to boost its sales. When we go to events, we have to add that watermark per the NDA… just because it says that doesn’t mean we are receiving anything other than content to put on youtube. You can remove the tinfoil now ---
**Author:** ![SyfruitCamelia](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/syfruitcamelia/32/103674_2.png) [@SyfruitCamelia](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SyfruitCamelia)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 6:11pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/104 "2016-07-06T18:11:00Z")
> [@Loqtrall](#): > > > [@ESF-IggyAz\_Skrub](#): > > > > never mind your tendency to realllly tunnel vision on isolated pockets of what is being said by others only to further derail any given conversation from making genuine progress. > > You can say that again. lol you kids can pretend what you’re doing takes skill but at the end of the day the facts remain, more money and attention will go into those games competitive tournaments than battlefield ever will, and that’s not an “opinion” it’s credible facts that you all know. being good at battlefield is about as impressive as being good in a highschool sports league. you could just enjoy the game and not be autistic, but you feel like your “accomplishments” mean anything and have to brag about meaningless garbage ---
**Author:** ![IntelligantSteak](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/87869e/32.png) [@IntelligantSteak](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/IntelligantSteak)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 6:16pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/105 "2016-07-06T18:16:00Z")
> [@SyfruitCamelia](#): > > > [@Loqtrall](#): > > > > > [@ESF-IggyAz\_Skrub](#): > > > > > > never mind your tendency to realllly tunnel vision on isolated pockets of what is being said by others only to further derail any given conversation from making genuine progress. > > > > You can say that again. > > lol you kids can pretend what you’re doing takes skill > > but at the end of the day the facts remain, more money and attention will go into those games competitive tournaments than battlefield ever will, and that’s not an “opinion” it’s credible facts that you all know. > > being good at battlefield is about as impressive as being good in a highschool sports league. > > you could just enjoy the game and not be autistic, but you feel like your “accomplishments” mean anything and have to brag about meaningless garbage True facts!!! Battlefield is a fun experience for me but the tryhards make it out like it’s anything but. It’s a game. In 10 years your skillzzzz _Kappa_ won’t get you anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 6:19pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/106 "2016-07-06T18:19:00Z")
> [@SyfruitCamelia](#): > > > [@Loqtrall](#): > > > > > [@ESF-IggyAz\_Skrub](#): > > > > > > never mind your tendency to realllly tunnel vision on isolated pockets of what is being said by others only to further derail any given conversation from making genuine progress. > > > > You can say that again. > > lol you kids can pretend what you’re doing takes skill > > but at the end of the day the facts remain, more money and attention will go into those games competitive tournaments than battlefield ever will, and that’s not an “opinion” it’s credible facts that you all know. > > being good at battlefield is about as impressive as being good in a highschool sports league. > > you could just enjoy the game and not be autistic, but you feel like your “accomplishments” mean anything and have to brag about meaningless garbage ## [Link to section: lmao, I’m not competitive at all - I was just agreeing with the fact that you do, regularly in arguments, ignore the majority of what someone is saying and focus on one part and make a huge deal out o](#lmao-im-not-competitive-at-all-i-was-just-agreeing-with-the-fact-that-you-do-regularly-in-arguments-ignore-the-majority-of-what-someone-is-saying-and-focus-on-one-part-and-make-a-huge-deal-out-of-it-and-totally-detract-from-the-overall-conversation-and-prevent-things-from-going-forward-1)lmao, I’m not competitive at all - I was just agreeing with the fact that you do, regularly in arguments, ignore the majority of what someone is saying and focus on one part and make a huge deal out of it, and totally detract from the overall conversation and prevent things from going forward. Case-in-point - you responding to me about being a “competitive player” in BF who strives to “be good” at the game, when I’m not that great at the game, am casual as \*\*\*, didn’t say anything about competitive BF, and never said anything that implied otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Nyburgare](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/3ab097/32.png) [@Nyburgare](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Nyburgare)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 6:20pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/107 "2016-07-06T18:20:00Z")
> [@SyfruitCamelia](#): > > > [@Loqtrall](#): > > > > > [@ESF-IggyAz\_Skrub](#): > > > > > > never mind your tendency to realllly tunnel vision on isolated pockets of what is being said by others only to further derail any given conversation from making genuine progress. > > > > You can say that again. > > lol you kids can pretend what you’re doing takes skill > > but at the end of the day the facts remain, more money and attention will go into those games competitive tournaments than battlefield ever will, and that’s not an “opinion” it’s credible facts that you all know. > > being good at battlefield is about as impressive as being good in a highschool sports league. > > you could just enjoy the game and not be autistic, but you feel like your “accomplishments” mean anything and have to brag about meaningless garbage Money isnt needed for a game to be competitive. If a group of two teams meet each other in a 5v5 or whatever they using they can do so and call themselves competitive players. A competitive player plays to win. Not to offend anyone but CS can be compared to Olympic Games while Battlefield is more like Special Olympics but they like the game they play and they do it to win. And that kid remark people throwing out to win points in a discussion is really childish. edit: Who could have thought that CoD would become a competitive game on **CONSOLE**? Sometimes the unexpected happens. ---
**Author:** ![pss4dm](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/a6a055/32.png) [@pss4dm](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/pss4dm)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 6:23pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/108 "2016-07-06T18:23:00Z")
> [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > [@pss4dm](#): > > > > “I’m also seriously skeptical of anyone with an EA sponsorship because they have incentive to give biased and even payed off impressions” > > > > This is pretty much it. I take with a pinch of salt everything any of those people (youtubers or moderators) who were at the pre alpha event or involved in giving feedback during development (game changer program etc) say. It is a reasonable suspicion to have that they have been co-opted by the DEVS into giving positive reviews and minimizing legitimate critiques of the game in order to boost its sales. > > When we go to events, we have to add that watermark per the NDA… just because it says that doesn’t mean we are receiving anything other than content to put on youtube. You can remove the tinfoil now I don’t think it is an absurd conspiracy to suggest that Youtubers and those connected behind the scenes with the developers are biased in their opinion. I think it is naive to be sure that this isn’t happening. In your case I can’t say definitely that the opinions you give on BF1 are not objective and unbiased, they might actually be the same opinions as if you had no contact with devs or pre-alpha event. What I will say it is a big red flag to me when all the ‘big’ youtubers having nothing to offer but glowing reviews of the game and no critiques (I can think of three obvious ones which are shared by a number of people). They may not get any direct monetary reward for giving positive reviews, but there is a lot of prestige, ego and perceived legitimacy (stuff which is good for YouTube subscribers and views) to be gained from being associated closely with the development process of a AAA title. ---
**Author:** ![HawksAU](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/ac8455/32.png) [@HawksAU](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/HawksAU)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 6:32pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/109 "2016-07-06T18:32:00Z")
> [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > [@pss4dm](#): > > > > “I’m also seriously skeptical of anyone with an EA sponsorship because they have incentive to give biased and even payed off impressions” > > > > This is pretty much it. I take with a pinch of salt everything any of those people (youtubers or moderators) who were at the pre alpha event or involved in giving feedback during development (game changer program etc) say. It is a reasonable suspicion to have that they have been co-opted by the DEVS into giving positive reviews and minimizing legitimate critiques of the game in order to boost its sales. > > When we go to events, we have to add that watermark per the NDA… just because it says that doesn’t mean we are receiving anything other than content to put on youtube. You can remove the tinfoil now I am skeptical of people who EA could potentially have in their pocket and give special treatment to, that’s not a conspiracy theory it’s called being a smart consumer. Wanting information from an unbiased source doesn’t make me a conspiracy theorist that thinks absolutely everyone giving feedback is bad, all I’m saying is Youtubers have been caught out giving misleading information in the past so people should be skeptical, and they have had close ties to EA and act like they can do no wrong. ---
**Author:** ![DannyTanner17](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/dannytanner17/32/101626_2.png) [@DannyTanner17](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DannyTanner17)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 6:38pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/110 "2016-07-06T18:38:00Z")
> [@pss4dm](#): > > > [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > > When we go to events, we have to add that watermark per the NDA… just because it says that doesn’t mean we are receiving anything other than content to put on youtube. You can remove the tinfoil now > > I don’t think it is an absurd conspiracy to suggest that Youtubers and those connected behind the scenes with the developers are biased in their opinion. I think it is naive to be sure that this isn’t happening. In your case I can’t say definitely that the opinions you give on BF1 are not objective and unbiased, they might actually be the same opinions as if you had no contact with devs or pre-alpha event. What I will say it is a big red flag to me when all the ‘big’ youtubers having nothing to offer but glowing reviews of the game and no critiques (I can think of three obvious ones which are shared by a number of people). They may not get any direct monetary reward for giving positive reviews, but there is a lot of prestige, ego and perceived legitimacy (stuff which is good for YouTube subscribers and views) to be gained from being associated closely with the development process of a AAA title. Came here to say this, but you nailed it, particularly on the perceived legitimacy. With that watermark and/or the early release of game play footage, the Youtubers are at that point representing the development company. Even if no monetary compensation is to be had, the content is compensation in itself. Maybe it is mutually beneficial in every single case; Youtubers get views due to limited content, developers get publicity on popular Youtube channels; but why would it be so outrageous to think that on one of these popular Youtube channels the opinions are so liked and so well received by the viewers that the devs don’t decide to adopt them and alter the game? ---
**Author:** ![HawksAU](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/ac8455/32.png) [@HawksAU](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/HawksAU)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 6:47pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/111 "2016-07-06T18:47:00Z")
> [@DannyTanner17](#): > > but why would it be so outrageous to think that on one of these popular Youtube channels the opinions are so liked and so well received by the viewers that the devs don’t decide to adopt them and alter the game? It can be unfair to say that these personalities in general will give nothing but bad feedback and I’m sure they will give good feedback, what gives me hope that bad feedback will be outweighed is that if there is one thing a good game developer should know is that your players more often than not **do not** know how to make a good game. I have seen a lot of known and good competitive players in gameplay footage and uploaded footage of their own, which sadly have only a thousand or so views and a highly suggest you go seek some of it out. Smaller competitive players have already given me a much better impression of the game than any of the ‘big’ ones have. DICE and EA have gotten much better lately so I sincerely believe and **sincerely hope** that these competitive player’s feedback is being taken more seriously than some of the Youtubers I’ve seen ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 6:53pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/112 "2016-07-06T18:53:00Z")
> [@DannyTanner17](#): > > but why would it be so outrageous to think that on one of these popular Youtube channels the opinions are so liked and so well received by the viewers that the devs don’t decide to adopt them and alter the game? ## [Link to section: I highly doubt comments on a YouTube channel are sources DICE use to gauge the community’s want for changes. That’s sort of why the official Battlefield Reddit and this forum exist. Poolshark (and who](#i-highly-doubt-comments-on-a-youtube-channel-are-sources-dice-use-to-gauge-the-communitys-want-for-changes-thats-sort-of-why-the-official-battlefield-reddit-and-this-forum-exist-poolshark-and-whoever-else-was-in-his-video-already-stated-exactly-what-the-gamechangers-are-capable-of-1)I highly doubt comments on a YouTube channel are sources DICE use to gauge the community’s want for changes. That’s sort of why the official Battlefield Reddit and this forum exist. Poolshark (and whoever else was in his video) already stated exactly what the gamechangers are capable of. DICE doesn’t just put EVERY suggestion in to the game that the majority agrees with. If that were the case, every lock on in BF4 would have been removed, and so would thermals. They instead removed all ladders from small-map gametypes and renamed the L96A1, which weren’t largely or widely talked about topics AT ALL. ---
**Author:** ![MartinBabl](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@MartinBabl](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MartinBabl)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 6:54pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/113 "2016-07-06T18:54:00Z")
The game changers program cause DICE and EA to focus very heavily on a rather small group of people. It is their program to get feedback and they would think that these so called “game changers” represent the communities interests. How can you say that a group of 500 people represent the interests of 5+ Million people? DICE then mainly listens to only these 500 people and a lot less to the other 5 million. You as Game changers have the responsibility to represent the interests of these 5 million people. There will be things that you do not like but you have the responsibility to convey these things to the developer. The community has a right to suspect that you had an influence in the outcome of games such as Hardline and Battlefront. Although I can not say how much influence you have but I can believe that DICE would rather get one guy to share his opinion than to look through forums and all other places where people share their interests about Battlefield. ---
**Author:** ![Xyos2121](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@Xyos2121](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Xyos2121)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 8:41pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/114 "2016-07-06T20:41:00Z")
I agree, youtubers do not represent any knowledge about game design. THe only reason EA caters to them is because of the audience following these youtubers. They make youtube videos for a living. THey dont know about game design or balance. Look to the community and pros for feedback not youtubers who are only in it for the moeny. ---
**Author:** ![o0catch220o](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/o/e9bcb4/32.png) [@o0catch220o](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/o0catch220o)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 11:12pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/115 "2016-07-06T23:12:00Z")
> [@BluntObjctOfHate](#): > > I see new people everytime I play Hardline now and most of the ones I’ve talked to on mic have said it’s an awesome game and they were told in the beginning that it was horrible but when they tried it for themselves it was a whole different story ,that’s what I’m talking about ,misinformation. This is me …recently got Hardline and wish I had bought it when it came out . I skipped it because of the bad feedback and now I regret it because I really like it ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 11:16pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/116 "2016-07-06T23:16:00Z")
> [@Xyos2121](#): > > Look to the community and pros for feedback not youtubers who are only in it for the moeny. ## [Link to section: lmfao, that’s rich. “Look to the community” when the majority of complaints and suggestions here are for changes to the game to fit the OP’s specific playstyle and make the game easier on them.](#lmfao-thats-rich-look-to-the-community-when-the-majority-of-complaints-and-suggestions-here-are-for-changes-to-the-game-to-fit-the-ops-specific-playstyle-and-make-the-game-easier-on-them-1)lmfao, that’s rich. “Look to the community” when the majority of complaints and suggestions here are for changes to the game to fit the OP’s specific playstyle and make the game easier on them. ## [Link to section: There are no experts on game design in this community either, at least not when it comes to AAA games as huge and diverse as BF. Those YouTubers are going to make money regardless of whether or not EA](#there-are-no-experts-on-game-design-in-this-community-either-at-least-not-when-it-comes-to-aaa-games-as-huge-and-diverse-as-bf-those-youtubers-are-going-to-make-money-regardless-of-whether-or-not-ea-listens-to-them-about-the-game-they-get-money-because-of-youtube-views-not-their-involvement-with-the-bf-developmental-process-most-of-those-guys-also-literally-play-battlefield-for-a-living-and-people-like-jackfrags-have-been-doing-so-for-a-very-very-long-time-and-are-just-as-dedicated-to-the-franchise-as-any-of-the-halfwits-that-peruse-this-forum-2)There are no experts on game design in this community either, at least not when it comes to AAA games as huge and diverse as BF. Those YouTubers are going to make money regardless of whether or not EA listens to them about the game, they get money because of YouTube views, not their involvement with the BF developmental process. Most of those guys also literally play Battlefield for a living, and people like JackFrags have been doing so for a very, very long time and are just as dedicated to the franchise as any of the halfwits that peruse this forum. To imply that people here know more about the game from a design standpoint than them SOLELY because they make money off of YouTube videos is \*\*\* ridiculous. There are dozens of people on this forum that don’t know what they’re talking about at all, and even moreso that make suggestions that would make BF1 horrible for a huge chunk of people that are fans of the franchise. ---
**Author:** ![ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thepoolshark/32/103801_2.png) [@ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ThePoolshark)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 11:20pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/117 "2016-07-06T23:20:00Z")
> [@MartinBabl](#): > > The game changers program cause DICE and EA to focus very heavily on a rather small group of people. It is their program to get feedback and they would think that these so called “game changers” represent the communities interests. How can you say that a group of 500 people represent the interests of 5+ Million people? DICE then mainly listens to only these 500 people and a lot less to the other 5 million. > You as Game changers have the responsibility to represent the interests of these 5 million people. There will be things that you do not like but you have the responsibility to convey these things to the developer. The community has a right to suspect that you had an influence in the outcome of games such as Hardline and Battlefront. Although I can not say how much influence you have but I can believe that DICE would rather get one guy to share his opinion than to look through forums and all other places where people share their interests about Battlefield. It’s like you didn’t even read anything in here. The game changer program isn’t something that solely changes the devs game. They still make their game the way they want, we just take ideas that we have in order to help devs see different perspectives. Sometimes they add it, most times they don’t. This is still their game, and our role is to have a fresh take on the game that they may not have after working on it for 1-2 years ---
**Author:** ![ESF-IggyAz\_Skrub](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/esf-iggyaz_skrub/32/101874_2.png) [@ESF-IggyAz\_Skrub](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ESF-IggyAz_Skrub)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 11:59pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/118 "2016-07-06T23:59:00Z")
Competitive scene very much does exist in BF4, it’s not doing all that well in comparison to the other games that properly balance and support it, sure (only so much you can make up for with rulesets when it comes to silly gadgets and odd map balance decisions), but it DOES exist (BCL is doing quite well actually, and there’s the CCS that’s far dimunitive by comparison but still active enough to keep going and the only thing the NA has). And that’s what I much prefer over pubstomping which gets stale and easy after a while. Sure there is no Pro scene in BF4 anymore, and for a little while it did exist, it was built around 5s for whatever reason, which I’d agree is pretty foolhardy and silly on DICE’s part in hindsight, but also hardly without merit as you simply presume just because you saw some unimpressive locker farm videos (which are generally from pubs anyway probably, which is the only thing you claim to play, so what gives?). No one’s knocking your approach to battlefield, players like Ravic and Musick are pinnacle in simple pure pubstomping, and obviously there’s even sustainable interest in just watching that (I don’t know why you’d use Twitch viewership to qualify other comp scenes but also use that to dismiss the people you seem really hateful against). It is however silly to completely dismiss the little competitive scene that the game does have. It’s a dedicated core that’s decided to put their time and effort into building what even the developers barely seem to know how to support (though they keep claiming they want to every damn title). And it DOES require far more coordination, teamwork, and skill than any level of pubstomping does. Btw, Lockers is not even in the BCL map pool (and hasn’t been for ages), and Lockers is about to get phased out of CCS as well (on account of no one wanting to play it in matches). Really, quit getting hung up on Lockers, I don’t know why you’re so obsessed with Lockers, which is hardly representative of Comp… even for 5s players. ---
**Author:** ![MartinBabl](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@MartinBabl](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MartinBabl)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 2:08pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/119 "2016-07-07T14:08:00Z")
> [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > [@MartinBabl](#): > > > > The game changers program cause DICE and EA to focus very heavily on a rather small group of people. It is their program to get feedback and they would think that these so called “game changers” represent the communities interests. How can you say that a group of 500 people represent the interests of 5+ Million people? DICE then mainly listens to only these 500 people and a lot less to the other 5 million. > > You as Game changers have the responsibility to represent the interests of these 5 million people. There will be things that you do not like but you have the responsibility to convey these things to the developer. The community has a right to suspect that you had an influence in the outcome of games such as Hardline and Battlefront. Although I can not say how much influence you have but I can believe that DICE would rather get one guy to share his opinion than to look through forums and all other places where people share their interests about Battlefield. > > It’s like you didn’t even read anything in here. The game changer program isn’t something that solely changes the devs game. They still make their game the way they want, we just take ideas that we have in order to help devs see different perspectives. Sometimes they add it, most times they don’t. This is still their game, and our role is to have a fresh take on the game that they may not have after working on it for 1-2 years Oh but I never said you actually change things, you have influence. Dev allows you to play the game. Dev asks you want you think. You share your point of view and your interests, things you liked and disliked. Dev writes these down and looks how he can change the game to fit your mach your interests. Although he may not change much but you still have influence. If most of the game changers say this thing do not work then the Devs really will think about changing things. You have the power to influence. Do you deny that you have a responsibility to represent the interests of the community of the other 5 million other players? Yes it is great that you give them a fresh take on the game and it is necessary, but game changers has the responsibility to represent the interests of the community. You were chosen because you are a leader in a community. Leadership requires you to represent your community. ---
**Author:** ![MartinBabl](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@MartinBabl](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MartinBabl)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 2:08pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/120 "2016-07-07T14:08:00Z")
> [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > [@MartinBabl](#): > > > > The game changers program cause DICE and EA to focus very heavily on a rather small group of people. It is their program to get feedback and they would think that these so called “game changers” represent the communities interests. How can you say that a group of 500 people represent the interests of 5+ Million people? DICE then mainly listens to only these 500 people and a lot less to the other 5 million. > > You as Game changers have the responsibility to represent the interests of these 5 million people. There will be things that you do not like but you have the responsibility to convey these things to the developer. The community has a right to suspect that you had an influence in the outcome of games such as Hardline and Battlefront. Although I can not say how much influence you have but I can believe that DICE would rather get one guy to share his opinion than to look through forums and all other places where people share their interests about Battlefield. > > It’s like you didn’t even read anything in here. The game changer program isn’t something that solely changes the devs game. They still make their game the way they want, we just take ideas that we have in order to help devs see different perspectives. Sometimes they add it, most times they don’t. This is still their game, and our role is to have a fresh take on the game that they may not have after working on it for 1-2 years Oh but I never said you actually change things, you have influence. Dev allows you to play the game. Dev asks you want you think. You share your point of view and your interests, things you liked and disliked. Dev writes these down and looks how he can change the game to fit your mach your interests. Although he may not change much but you still have influence. If most of the game changers say this thing do not work then the Devs really will think about changing things. You have the power to influence. Do you deny that you have a responsibility to represent the interests of the community of the other 5 million other players? Yes it is great that you give them a fresh take on the game and it is necessary, but game changers has the responsibility to represent the interests of the community. You were chosen because you are a leader in a community. Leadership requires you to represent your community. [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406.md?page=5) [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406.md?page=7)