# Are famous battlefield YouTubers ruining the franchise? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 4, 2016, 1:27pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406 "2016-07-04T13:27:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![34343223](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/3/c4cdca/32.png) [@34343223](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/34343223)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 2:59pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/121 "2016-07-07T14:59:00Z")
They have their own vision for Battlefield. But, I would say some of them ruin/make Battlefield into child game like kill streak, best gun, quick scope, etc. ---
**Author:** ![ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thepoolshark/32/103801_2.png) [@ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ThePoolshark)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 2:59pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/122 "2016-07-07T14:59:00Z")
> [@MartinBabl](#): > > > [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > > > [@MartinBabl](#): > > > > > > The game changers program cause DICE and EA to focus very heavily on a rather small group of people. It is their program to get feedback and they would think that these so called “game changers” represent the communities interests. How can you say that a group of 500 people represent the interests of 5+ Million people? DICE then mainly listens to only these 500 people and a lot less to the other 5 million. > > > You as Game changers have the responsibility to represent the interests of these 5 million people. There will be things that you do not like but you have the responsibility to convey these things to the developer. The community has a right to suspect that you had an influence in the outcome of games such as Hardline and Battlefront. Although I can not say how much influence you have but I can believe that DICE would rather get one guy to share his opinion than to look through forums and all other places where people share their interests about Battlefield. > > > > It’s like you didn’t even read anything in here. The game changer program isn’t something that solely changes the devs game. They still make their game the way they want, we just take ideas that we have in order to help devs see different perspectives. Sometimes they add it, most times they don’t. This is still their game, and our role is to have a fresh take on the game that they may not have after working on it for 1-2 years > > Oh but I never said you actually change things, you have influence. Dev allows you to play the game. Dev asks you want you think. You share your point of view and your interests, things you liked and disliked. Dev writes these down and looks how he can change the game to fit your mach your interests. Although he may not change much but you still have influence. If most of the game changers say this thing do not work then the Devs really will think about changing things. You have the power to influence. Do you deny that you have a responsibility to represent the interests of the community of the other 5 million other players? > Yes it is great that you give them a fresh take on the game and it is necessary, but game changers has the responsibility to represent the interests of the community. You were chosen because you are a leader in a community. Leadership requires you to represent your community. Except they don’t write down things to fit our interest. They write things down that fit with what they are trying to do, and if we happen to give insight into something that they may have missed, they look into it. We do not get a game catered to us, we have insight into video game development, we can pick out things that just don’t feel right, and we understand what can be fixed or changed in the time left. Example. There was something in Battlefront that just felt off in Walker Assault during development, so I said, why not try doing this so it isn’t just a cluster. They tried it, and apparently liked it, because next time we went, it was changed. We went to Stockholm in February for 2 days of feedback. Day 1, someone said something was off about an aspect of the game, and the devs said it was the same as something else in the game, so we just went on. The next day the dev came in and said something was bugged in the code making it act differently. This is the type of thing we bring to the table. ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 3:02pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/123 "2016-07-07T15:02:00Z")
It still baffles me that people think DICE just goes along with whatever GameChangers suggest, and appeases their every want and suggestion for a game. ---
**Author:** ![hoodm3](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/e8c25b/32.png) [@hoodm3](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/hoodm3)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 3:14pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/124 "2016-07-07T15:14:00Z")
I am part of the 99% and the so called Youtuber’s actually are a voice for the rest of us. I enjoy watching their vids and commentary, and am glad that Dice is listening. One of the biggest changes because of them is the FPS and tickrate. You should thank them, not criticize. ---
**Author:** ![Nyburgare](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/3ab097/32.png) [@Nyburgare](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Nyburgare)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 3:17pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/125 "2016-07-07T15:17:00Z")
> [@hoodm3](#): > > I am part of the 99% and the so called Youtuber’s actually are a voice for the rest of us. I enjoy watching their vids and commentary, and am glad that Dice is listening. One of the biggest changes because of them is the FPS and tickrate. You should thank them, not criticize. How is this thanks to them? The only one I can think of that ive seen videos from is battlenonsense. He was also really active on the CTE forum which none of the other big names was. How do you mean that any of them had anything to do with the fps? ---
**Author:** ![nervous1929](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/nervous1929/32/102941_2.png) [@nervous1929](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/nervous1929)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 4:02pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/126 "2016-07-07T16:02:00Z")
remember hardline video they where all making claims this was the funniest and best game ever,they where bragging of helping the dev and contributed a lot .then all on a sudden , the game was the worst thing in the world in their video and they literally sink hardline dead on arrival . played hardline and it was ok and i had fun . not the best but not bad as some claim it to be . some friends who where enjoying hardline changed their opinion because of the youtubers negative movement . they where enjoying the game until the negative wave from youtube hit them .they stopped playing it and bough hype on other title . ---
**Author:** ![Watjalukinat](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/watjalukinat/32/104044_2.png) [@Watjalukinat](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Watjalukinat)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 4:11pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/127 "2016-07-07T16:11:00Z")
> [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > [@SyfruitCamelia](#): > > > > it’s about playing battlefield the way it was meant to be, large scale with vehicles, not just infantry and locker > > This comment right here is sickening, that people still think you have to play a game one way to have fun. How do you feel about the black soldier and woman’s voiceover? I can only imagine that is bad since it is not the way Battlefield is meant to be… > > gross Oh shut up. Most game franchises have a formula. Grand scale is battlefield’s. Most of us couldn’t care less who’s on the cover or what gender does the voiceover. I personally would rather a voiceover that sounded like an exchange over the radio but meh. Get over yourself, just because someone lauds a particular gameplay that the franchise itself markets doesn’t some how infer that they are also racist and sexist. ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 4:24pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/128 "2016-07-07T16:24:00Z")
> [@Watjalukinat](#): > > > [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > > > [@SyfruitCamelia](#): > > > > > > it’s about playing battlefield the way it was meant to be, large scale with vehicles, not just infantry and locker > > > > This comment right here is sickening, that people still think you have to play a game one way to have fun. How do you feel about the black soldier and woman’s voiceover? I can only imagine that is bad since it is not the way Battlefield is meant to be… > > > > gross > > Oh shut up. Most game franchises have a formula. Grand scale is battlefield’s. Most of us couldn’t care less who’s on the cover or what gender does the voiceover. I personally would rather a voiceover that sounded like an exchange over the radio but meh. Get over yourself, just because someone lauds a particular gameplay that the franchise itself markets doesn’t some how infer that they are also racist and sexist. ## [Link to section: Battlefield has always promoted freedom of choice in the way you play. Maps have been scale-able for the majority of the franchise, whether just in scale or in terms of different game modes. Implying](#battlefield-has-always-promoted-freedom-of-choice-in-the-way-you-play-maps-have-been-scale-able-for-the-majority-of-the-franchise-whether-just-in-scale-or-in-terms-of-different-game-modes-implying-that-there-is-only-one-correct-way-to-play-this-game-is-whats-stupid-the-franchise-may-market-mass-warfare-but-thats-not-all-it-markets-and-cql-isnt-the-only-way-to-play-the-game-and-implying-anyone-who-plays-it-any-other-way-than-cql-is-dumb-is-dumb-1)Battlefield has always promoted freedom of choice in the way you play. Maps have been scale-able for the majority of the franchise, whether just in scale or in terms of different game modes. Implying that there is only one “correct” way to play this game is what’s stupid. The franchise may market “mass warfare” - but that’s not all it markets, and CQL isn’t the only way to play the game, and implying anyone who plays it any other way than CQL is dumb - is dumb. And honestly, at this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if Syfruit dislike the black soldiers and the woman announcer, though it may not be tied to sexism or racism, which I don’t think is what Poolshark was getting at. Syfruit has already had many troll-ish responses removed from this forum. (EDIT: Also, telling a moderator to “shut up” probably isn’t the wisest thing to do. Nor is telling anyone to outright shut up, I’d imagine) ---
**Author:** ![Nyburgare](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/3ab097/32.png) [@Nyburgare](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Nyburgare)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 4:29pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/129 "2016-07-07T16:29:00Z")
> [@Loqtrall](#): > > > [@Watjalukinat](#): > > > > > [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > > > > > [@SyfruitCamelia](#): > > > > > > > > it’s about playing battlefield the way it was meant to be, large scale with vehicles, not just infantry and locker > > > > > > This comment right here is sickening, that people still think you have to play a game one way to have fun. How do you feel about the black soldier and woman’s voiceover? I can only imagine that is bad since it is not the way Battlefield is meant to be… > > > > > > gross > > > > Oh shut up. Most game franchises have a formula. Grand scale is battlefield’s. Most of us couldn’t care less who’s on the cover or what gender does the voiceover. I personally would rather a voiceover that sounded like an exchange over the radio but meh. Get over yourself, just because someone lauds a particular gameplay that the franchise itself markets doesn’t some how infer that they are also racist and sexist. > > ## Battlefield has always promoted freedom of choice in the way you play. Maps have been scale-able for the majority of the franchise, whether just in scale or in terms of different game modes. Implying that there is only one “correct” way to play this game is what’s stupid. The franchise may market “mass warfare” - but that’s not all it markets, and CQL isn’t the only way to play the game, and implying anyone who plays it any other way than CQL is dumb - is dumb. > > And honestly, at this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if Syfruit dislike the black soldiers and the woman announcer, though it may not be tied to sexism or racism, which I don’t think is what Poolshark was getting at. Syfruit has already had many troll-ish responses removed from this forum. > **(EDIT: Also, telling a moderator to “shut up” probably isn’t the wisest thing to do. Nor is telling anyone to outright shut up, I’d imagine)** I guess he typed that post as a regular user and not a moderator and if he get banned for saying “shut up” the mods have a lot of users to ban. ---
**Author:** ![MartinBabl](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@MartinBabl](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MartinBabl)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 4:36pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/130 "2016-07-07T16:36:00Z")
> [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > [@MartinBabl](#): > > > > > [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > > > > > [@MartinBabl](#): > > > > > > > > The game changers program cause DICE and EA to focus very heavily on a rather small group of people. It is their program to get feedback and they would think that these so called “game changers” represent the communities interests. How can you say that a group of 500 people represent the interests of 5+ Million people? DICE then mainly listens to only these 500 people and a lot less to the other 5 million. > > > > You as Game changers have the responsibility to represent the interests of these 5 million people. There will be things that you do not like but you have the responsibility to convey these things to the developer. The community has a right to suspect that you had an influence in the outcome of games such as Hardline and Battlefront. Although I can not say how much influence you have but I can believe that DICE would rather get one guy to share his opinion than to look through forums and all other places where people share their interests about Battlefield. > > > > > > It’s like you didn’t even read anything in here. The game changer program isn’t something that solely changes the devs game. They still make their game the way they want, we just take ideas that we have in order to help devs see different perspectives. Sometimes they add it, most times they don’t. This is still their game, and our role is to have a fresh take on the game that they may not have after working on it for 1-2 years > > > > Oh but I never said you actually change things, you have influence. Dev allows you to play the game. Dev asks you want you think. You share your point of view and your interests, things you liked and disliked. Dev writes these down and looks how he can change the game to fit your mach your interests. Although he may not change much but you still have influence. If most of the game changers say this thing do not work then the Devs really will think about changing things. You have the power to influence. Do you deny that you have a responsibility to represent the interests of the community of the other 5 million other players? > > Yes it is great that you give them a fresh take on the game and it is necessary, but game changers has the responsibility to represent the interests of the community. You were chosen because you are a leader in a community. Leadership requires you to represent your community. > > Except they don’t write down things to fit our interest. They write things down that fit with what they are trying to do, and if we happen to give insight into something that they may have missed, they look into it. > > We do not get a game catered to us, we have insight into video game development, we can pick out things that just don’t feel right, and we understand what can be fixed or changed in the time left. > > Example. There was something in Battlefront that just felt off in Walker Assault during development, so I said, why not try doing this so it isn’t just a cluster. They tried it, and apparently liked it, because next time we went, it was changed. We went to Stockholm in February for 2 days of feedback. Day 1, someone said something was off about an aspect of the game, and the devs said it was the same as something else in the game, so we just went on. The next day the dev came in and said something was bugged in the code making it act differently. This is the type of thing we bring to the table. So your role is more as a game tester. Well then get the name “Game Changer” changed to “Game Testers”. It may not have the punchy sound to it but it removes the idea that you can change the game. Also create a website on EA to explain your role in the development of games, if there is I could not find it, please could you post a link. Awesome, everything sorted out. ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 4:37pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/131 "2016-07-07T16:37:00Z")
> [@Nyburgare](#): > > > [@Loqtrall](#): > > > > > [@Watjalukinat](#): > > > > > > > [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > > > > > > > [@SyfruitCamelia](#): > > > > > > > > > > it’s about playing battlefield the way it was meant to be, large scale with vehicles, not just infantry and locker > > > > > > > > This comment right here is sickening, that people still think you have to play a game one way to have fun. How do you feel about the black soldier and woman’s voiceover? I can only imagine that is bad since it is not the way Battlefield is meant to be… > > > > > > > > gross > > > > > > Oh shut up. Most game franchises have a formula. Grand scale is battlefield’s. Most of us couldn’t care less who’s on the cover or what gender does the voiceover. I personally would rather a voiceover that sounded like an exchange over the radio but meh. Get over yourself, just because someone lauds a particular gameplay that the franchise itself markets doesn’t some how infer that they are also racist and sexist. > > > > ## Battlefield has always promoted freedom of choice in the way you play. Maps have been scale-able for the majority of the franchise, whether just in scale or in terms of different game modes. Implying that there is only one “correct” way to play this game is what’s stupid. The franchise may market “mass warfare” - but that’s not all it markets, and CQL isn’t the only way to play the game, and implying anyone who plays it any other way than CQL is dumb - is dumb. > > > > And honestly, at this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if Syfruit dislike the black soldiers and the woman announcer, though it may not be tied to sexism or racism, which I don’t think is what Poolshark was getting at. Syfruit has already had many troll-ish responses removed from this forum. > > **(EDIT: Also, telling a moderator to “shut up” probably isn’t the wisest thing to do. Nor is telling anyone to outright shut up, I’d imagine)** > > I guess he typed that post as a regular user and not a moderator and if he get banned for saying “shut up” the mods have a lot of users to ban. I’ve actually seen very few people tell someone to outright shut up on this forum so far. And by very few, I mean like literally two people, including the post I just responded to. ---
**Author:** ![Nyburgare](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/3ab097/32.png) [@Nyburgare](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Nyburgare)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 4:39pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/132 "2016-07-07T16:39:00Z")
> [@Loqtrall](#): > > > [@Nyburgare](#): > > > > > [@Loqtrall](#): > > > > > > > [@Watjalukinat](#): > > > > > > > > > [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > > > > > > > > > [@SyfruitCamelia](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > it’s about playing battlefield the way it was meant to be, large scale with vehicles, not just infantry and locker > > > > > > > > > > This comment right here is sickening, that people still think you have to play a game one way to have fun. How do you feel about the black soldier and woman’s voiceover? I can only imagine that is bad since it is not the way Battlefield is meant to be… > > > > > > > > > > gross > > > > > > > > Oh shut up. Most game franchises have a formula. Grand scale is battlefield’s. Most of us couldn’t care less who’s on the cover or what gender does the voiceover. I personally would rather a voiceover that sounded like an exchange over the radio but meh. Get over yourself, just because someone lauds a particular gameplay that the franchise itself markets doesn’t some how infer that they are also racist and sexist. > > > > > > ## Battlefield has always promoted freedom of choice in the way you play. Maps have been scale-able for the majority of the franchise, whether just in scale or in terms of different game modes. Implying that there is only one “correct” way to play this game is what’s stupid. The franchise may market “mass warfare” - but that’s not all it markets, and CQL isn’t the only way to play the game, and implying anyone who plays it any other way than CQL is dumb - is dumb. > > > > > > And honestly, at this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if Syfruit dislike the black soldiers and the woman announcer, though it may not be tied to sexism or racism, which I don’t think is what Poolshark was getting at. Syfruit has already had many troll-ish responses removed from this forum. > > > **(EDIT: Also, telling a moderator to “shut up” probably isn’t the wisest thing to do. Nor is telling anyone to outright shut up, I’d imagine)** > > > > I guess he typed that post as a regular user and not a moderator and if he get banned for saying “shut up” the mods have a lot of users to ban. > > I’ve actually seen very few people tell someone to outright shut up on this forum so far. And by very few, I mean like literally two people, including the post I just responded to. Wasnt meaning just the words shut up, but the attitude on a lot of people here is on the same level as when someone tell someone to shut up and sometimes even worse. ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 4:41pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/133 "2016-07-07T16:41:00Z")
> [@Nyburgare](#): > > > [@Loqtrall](#): > > > > > [@Nyburgare](#): > > > > > > > [@Loqtrall](#): > > > > > > > > > [@Watjalukinat](#): > > > > > > > > > > > [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@SyfruitCamelia](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it’s about playing battlefield the way it was meant to be, large scale with vehicles, not just infantry and locker > > > > > > > > > > > > This comment right here is sickening, that people still think you have to play a game one way to have fun. How do you feel about the black soldier and woman’s voiceover? I can only imagine that is bad since it is not the way Battlefield is meant to be… > > > > > > > > > > > > gross > > > > > > > > > > Oh shut up. Most game franchises have a formula. Grand scale is battlefield’s. Most of us couldn’t care less who’s on the cover or what gender does the voiceover. I personally would rather a voiceover that sounded like an exchange over the radio but meh. Get over yourself, just because someone lauds a particular gameplay that the franchise itself markets doesn’t some how infer that they are also racist and sexist. > > > > > > > > ## Battlefield has always promoted freedom of choice in the way you play. Maps have been scale-able for the majority of the franchise, whether just in scale or in terms of different game modes. Implying that there is only one “correct” way to play this game is what’s stupid. The franchise may market “mass warfare” - but that’s not all it markets, and CQL isn’t the only way to play the game, and implying anyone who plays it any other way than CQL is dumb - is dumb. > > > > > > > > And honestly, at this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if Syfruit dislike the black soldiers and the woman announcer, though it may not be tied to sexism or racism, which I don’t think is what Poolshark was getting at. Syfruit has already had many troll-ish responses removed from this forum. > > > > **(EDIT: Also, telling a moderator to “shut up” probably isn’t the wisest thing to do. Nor is telling anyone to outright shut up, I’d imagine)** > > > > > > I guess he typed that post as a regular user and not a moderator and if he get banned for saying “shut up” the mods have a lot of users to ban. > > > > I’ve actually seen very few people tell someone to outright shut up on this forum so far. And by very few, I mean like literally two people, including the post I just responded to. > > Wasnt meaning just the words shut up, but the attitude on a lot of people here is on the same level as when someone tell someone to shut up and sometimes even worse. And a lot of people get their posts removed for it. I didn’t say telling a mod or anyone else to “shut up” would get them in trouble - I just said it’s more than likely not the smartest thing to do. Most people with attitudes like that or worse than that on these forums usually end up getting the boot. They specifically said they’re going to be more strict this time around with people intentionally being \*\*\* to each other. ---
**Author:** ![ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thepoolshark/32/103801_2.png) [@ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ThePoolshark)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 4:51pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/134 "2016-07-07T16:51:00Z")
> [@MartinBabl](#): > > > [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > > > [@MartinBabl](#): > > > > > > > [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > > > > > > > [@MartinBabl](#): > > > > > > > > > > The game changers program cause DICE and EA to focus very heavily on a rather small group of people. It is their program to get feedback and they would think that these so called “game changers” represent the communities interests. How can you say that a group of 500 people represent the interests of 5+ Million people? DICE then mainly listens to only these 500 people and a lot less to the other 5 million. > > > > > You as Game changers have the responsibility to represent the interests of these 5 million people. There will be things that you do not like but you have the responsibility to convey these things to the developer. The community has a right to suspect that you had an influence in the outcome of games such as Hardline and Battlefront. Although I can not say how much influence you have but I can believe that DICE would rather get one guy to share his opinion than to look through forums and all other places where people share their interests about Battlefield. > > > > > > > > It’s like you didn’t even read anything in here. The game changer program isn’t something that solely changes the devs game. They still make their game the way they want, we just take ideas that we have in order to help devs see different perspectives. Sometimes they add it, most times they don’t. This is still their game, and our role is to have a fresh take on the game that they may not have after working on it for 1-2 years > > > > > > Oh but I never said you actually change things, you have influence. Dev allows you to play the game. Dev asks you want you think. You share your point of view and your interests, things you liked and disliked. Dev writes these down and looks how he can change the game to fit your mach your interests. Although he may not change much but you still have influence. If most of the game changers say this thing do not work then the Devs really will think about changing things. You have the power to influence. Do you deny that you have a responsibility to represent the interests of the community of the other 5 million other players? > > > Yes it is great that you give them a fresh take on the game and it is necessary, but game changers has the responsibility to represent the interests of the community. You were chosen because you are a leader in a community. Leadership requires you to represent your community. > > > > Except they don’t write down things to fit our interest. They write things down that fit with what they are trying to do, and if we happen to give insight into something that they may have missed, they look into it. > > > > We do not get a game catered to us, we have insight into video game development, we can pick out things that just don’t feel right, and we understand what can be fixed or changed in the time left. > > > > Example. There was something in Battlefront that just felt off in Walker Assault during development, so I said, why not try doing this so it isn’t just a cluster. They tried it, and apparently liked it, because next time we went, it was changed. We went to Stockholm in February for 2 days of feedback. Day 1, someone said something was off about an aspect of the game, and the devs said it was the same as something else in the game, so we just went on. The next day the dev came in and said something was bugged in the code making it act differently. This is the type of thing we bring to the table. > > So your role is more as a game tester. Well then get the name “Game Changer” changed to “Game Testers”. It may not have the punchy sound to it but it removes the idea that you can change the game. Also create a website on EA to explain your role in the development of games, if there is I could not find it, please could you post a link. Awesome, everything sorted out. Incorrect, because game tester would imply we only play it. We still have insights into what is fun and not based on our experiences with games and communities we speak for. Most may not believe this, but I do see things in here that I agree with and can see fitting in the scheme of the game, and make mention of that. While it may never come to fruition in this game, it gives them ideas for future iterations. Game Changers has been around for like 8 years or something, it started with EA Sports, and I do agree, I would like to see a site made by EA to explain the role and such we have. I have been a part of game changers since 2013-ish and have actually learned a lot about development, what gamers want, what is possible in the time we have, and how to develop a back and forth conversation with regards to the developer vision and what could be added to make it fun. ---
**Author:** ![Neubaufahrzeugg](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/neubaufahrzeugg/32/102719_2.png) [@Neubaufahrzeugg](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Neubaufahrzeugg)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 4:51pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/135 "2016-07-07T16:51:00Z")
> [@Loqtrall](#): > > Syfruit has already had many troll-ish responses removed from this forum. scmimaounsvijeovnl;dvlasv jopwnvuiborynvubiuyrsvnkljnfdsnvliuynvsldyuivndsuivnfsildvnilusfnivluyhov8u SERIOUSLY. #2 troll of this forum (obviously, sirlin\_handout is #1) claiming that. truly hilarious actually, syfruit is one of not many people on this forum who is not universally garbage and has tried most of what the game has to offer, as opposed to being a bad infantry player who gets mowed down over and over again and then comes on this forum to defend other baddies like himself for 70 pages. that’s roughly your forum persona, loqtroll. ---
**Author:** ![Nyburgare](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/3ab097/32.png) [@Nyburgare](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Nyburgare)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 4:54pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/136 "2016-07-07T16:54:00Z")
> [@Neubaufahrzeugg](#): > > > [@Loqtrall](#): > > > > Syfruit has already had many troll-ish responses removed from this forum. > > scmimaounsvijeovnl;dvlasv jopwnvuiborynvubiuyrsvnkljnfdsnvliuynvsldyuivndsuivnfsildvnilusfnivluyhov8u > > SERIOUSLY. #2 troll of this forum (obviously, sirlin\_handout is #1) claiming that. truly hilarious > > actually, syfruit is one of not many people on this forum who is not universally garbage and has tried most of what the game has to offer, as opposed to being a bad infantry player who gets mowed down over and over again and then comes on this forum to defend other baddies like himself for 70 pages. > that’s roughly your forum persona, loqtroll. Why do so many players that are good at the game have to have such a bad attitude towards others? ---
**Author:** ![ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thepoolshark/32/103801_2.png) [@ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ThePoolshark)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 4:55pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/137 "2016-07-07T16:55:00Z")
Watjalukinat, don’t tell people to shut up. I saw your explanation on what you meant by it, and if you can’t find other words to express what you mean, then you may not want to post. If it was directed at another user, you would be getting removed from here, but luckily I have thick skin and understand that my opinions may be different than others and my strong opinions can take strong rebuttal, but at least phrase it in a way that doesn’t get you banned. People complain a lot on here, most of the complaints are petty stuff in my opinion, and I disregard most of it as nonsense. I still report it, regardless of how I feel since that is my role here. Let’s be realistic here, does a voice and a color of a soldier ACTUALLY matter? Does it pain people so bad that they can’t have fun with the game? If so, what does that say about the person? In the end, they are pixels and voice over… does absolutely nothing to change the gameplay. Why can we not focus on things that actually cause a change in gameplay? In the end, it is their game, and I do not see them changing certain things (skin color and voice being two things) because that is how they want to portray things. As much as people may think otherwise, game development is an art, the game is their art. You wouldn’t have gone up to Picasso and tell him his art is because it doesn’t show something people feel as right, so why would you do that to game devs? Different medium, same idea. ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 4:56pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/138 "2016-07-07T16:56:00Z")
> [@Neubaufahrzeugg](#): > > > [@Loqtrall](#): > > > > Syfruit has already had many troll-ish responses removed from this forum. > > scmimaounsvijeovnl;dvlasv jopwnvuiborynvubiuyrsvnkljnfdsnvliuynvsldyuivndsuivnfsildvnilusfnivluyhov8u > > SERIOUSLY. #2 troll of this forum (obviously, sirlin\_handout is #1) claiming that. truly hilarious > > actually, syfruit is one of not many people on this forum who is not universally garbage and has tried most of what the game has to offer, as opposed to being a bad infantry player who gets mowed down over and over again and then comes on this forum to defend other baddies like himself for 70 pages. > that’s roughly your forum persona, loqtroll. ## [Link to section: lmao - coming from the guy who basis most of his arguments on the forum off of insulting people outright, and claiming anyone that can’t do what you do in the game is trash.](#lmao-coming-from-the-guy-who-basis-most-of-his-arguments-on-the-forum-off-of-insulting-people-outright-and-claiming-anyone-that-cant-do-what-you-do-in-the-game-is-trash-1)lmao - coming from the guy who basis most of his arguments on the forum off of insulting people outright, and claiming anyone that can’t do what you do in the game is trash. ## [Link to section: So which am I, Neubaufahrzeugg - a troll, or a guy that “gets mowed down over and over again and then comes on this forum to defend other baddies”?](#so-which-am-i-neubaufahrzeugg-a-troll-or-a-guy-that-gets-mowed-down-over-and-over-again-and-then-comes-on-this-forum-to-defend-other-baddies-2)So which am I, Neubaufahrzeugg - a troll, or a guy that “gets mowed down over and over again and then comes on this forum to defend other baddies”? ## [Link to section: Because you first called me the #2 troll on the forum, then persisted to say my forum persona is that of a “noob sympathizer”.](#because-you-first-called-me-the-2-troll-on-the-forum-then-persisted-to-say-my-forum-persona-is-that-of-a-noob-sympathizer-3)Because you first called me the #2 troll on the forum, then persisted to say my forum persona is that of a “noob sympathizer”. ## [Link to section: But I wouldn’t expect much else from ANOTHER person who has repeatedly gotten posts removed for having a \*\*\* attitude on the forum. I haven’t had one post removed out of 1,600+, and literally the only](#but-i-wouldnt-expect-much-else-from-another-person-who-has-repeatedly-gotten-posts-removed-for-having-a-attitude-on-the-forum-i-havent-had-one-post-removed-out-of-1600-and-literally-the-only-people-who-have-accused-me-of-trolling-on-this-forum-are-people-that-again-have-had-several-posts-removed-themselves-for-sounding-like-trolls-4)But I wouldn’t expect much else from ANOTHER person who has repeatedly gotten posts removed for having a \*\*\* attitude on the forum. I haven’t had one post removed out of 1,600+, and literally the only people who have accused me of “trolling” on this forum are people that, again, have had several posts removed themselves for sounding like trolls. EDIT: Now let’s get this back on topic before you reply for a second time and mods more than likely get involved. ---
**Author:** ![ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thepoolshark/32/103801_2.png) [@ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ThePoolshark)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 4:59pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/139 "2016-07-07T16:59:00Z")
> [@Neubaufahrzeugg](#): > > > [@Loqtrall](#): > > > > Syfruit has already had many troll-ish responses removed from this forum. > > scmimaounsvijeovnl;dvlasv jopwnvuiborynvubiuyrsvnkljnfdsnvliuynvsldyuivndsuivnfsildvnilusfnivluyhov8u > > SERIOUSLY. #2 troll of this forum (obviously, sirlin\_handout is #1) claiming that. truly hilarious > > actually, syfruit is one of not many people on this forum who is not universally garbage and has tried most of what the game has to offer, as opposed to being a bad infantry player who gets mowed down over and over again and then comes on this forum to defend other baddies like himself for 70 pages. > that’s roughly your forum persona, loqtroll. What does this have to do with the price of tea in China? Stick to the topic and take your beef to PM. Only warning ---
**Author:** ![MartinBabl](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@MartinBabl](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MartinBabl)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 5:04pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/140 "2016-07-07T17:04:00Z")
> [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > [@MartinBabl](#): > > > > > [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > > > > > [@MartinBabl](#): > > > > > > > > > [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > > > > > > > > > [@MartinBabl](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > The game changers program cause DICE and EA to focus very heavily on a rather small group of people. It is their program to get feedback and they would think that these so called “game changers” represent the communities interests. How can you say that a group of 500 people represent the interests of 5+ Million people? DICE then mainly listens to only these 500 people and a lot less to the other 5 million. > > > > > > You as Game changers have the responsibility to represent the interests of these 5 million people. There will be things that you do not like but you have the responsibility to convey these things to the developer. The community has a right to suspect that you had an influence in the outcome of games such as Hardline and Battlefront. Although I can not say how much influence you have but I can believe that DICE would rather get one guy to share his opinion than to look through forums and all other places where people share their interests about Battlefield. > > > > > > > > > > It’s like you didn’t even read anything in here. The game changer program isn’t something that solely changes the devs game. They still make their game the way they want, we just take ideas that we have in order to help devs see different perspectives. Sometimes they add it, most times they don’t. This is still their game, and our role is to have a fresh take on the game that they may not have after working on it for 1-2 years > > > > > > > > Oh but I never said you actually change things, you have influence. Dev allows you to play the game. Dev asks you want you think. You share your point of view and your interests, things you liked and disliked. Dev writes these down and looks how he can change the game to fit your mach your interests. Although he may not change much but you still have influence. If most of the game changers say this thing do not work then the Devs really will think about changing things. You have the power to influence. Do you deny that you have a responsibility to represent the interests of the community of the other 5 million other players? > > > > Yes it is great that you give them a fresh take on the game and it is necessary, but game changers has the responsibility to represent the interests of the community. You were chosen because you are a leader in a community. Leadership requires you to represent your community. > > > > > > Except they don’t write down things to fit our interest. They write things down that fit with what they are trying to do, and if we happen to give insight into something that they may have missed, they look into it. > > > > > > We do not get a game catered to us, we have insight into video game development, we can pick out things that just don’t feel right, and we understand what can be fixed or changed in the time left. > > > > > > Example. There was something in Battlefront that just felt off in Walker Assault during development, so I said, why not try doing this so it isn’t just a cluster. They tried it, and apparently liked it, because next time we went, it was changed. We went to Stockholm in February for 2 days of feedback. Day 1, someone said something was off about an aspect of the game, and the devs said it was the same as something else in the game, so we just went on. The next day the dev came in and said something was bugged in the code making it act differently. This is the type of thing we bring to the table. > > > > So your role is more as a game tester. Well then get the name “Game Changer” changed to “Game Testers”. It may not have the punchy sound to it but it removes the idea that you can change the game. Also create a website on EA to explain your role in the development of games, if there is I could not find it, please could you post a link. Awesome, everything sorted out. > > Incorrect, because game tester would imply we only play it. We still have insights into what is fun and not based on our experiences with games and communities we speak for. Most may not believe this, but I do see things in here that I agree with and can see fitting in the scheme of the game, and make mention of that. While it may never come to fruition in this game, it gives them ideas for future iterations. Game Changers has been around for like 8 years or something, it started with EA Sports, and I do agree, I would like to see a site made by EA to explain the role and such we have. I have been a part of game changers since 2013-ish and have actually learned a lot about development, what gamers want, what is possible in the time we have, and how to develop a back and forth conversation with regards to the developer vision and what could be added to make it fun. I really think they should get a website going ASAP. It will clarify a lot and put an end to this thread. Explain what Game changers do. From what I now understand, I believe that there can only really come good from this program for the game developer and the community. A better platform to communicate ideas and ultimately making a better game. 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