# Are famous battlefield YouTubers ruining the franchise? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 4, 2016, 1:27pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406 "2016-07-04T13:27:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 5:05pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/141 "2016-07-07T17:05:00Z")
> [@ThePoolshark](#): > > Game Changers has been around for like 8 years or something ## [Link to section: Sheesh, I didn’t know it’s been around for near a decade.](#sheesh-i-didnt-know-its-been-around-for-near-a-decade-1)Sheesh, I didn’t know it’s been around for near a decade. Do you have an estimated percentage on how much DICE actually implements suggestions you’ve made for the game? Like maybe for every 10 suggestions you make, maybe 1-2 will actually be considered or implemented? And do you relay all suggestions made by a significant number of forumites, or do you usually just relay suggestions that you, in your years of experience working back and forth with DICE, know that the devs will be interested in implementing into the game? ---
**Author:** ![BluntObjctOfHate](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/bluntobjctofhate/32/101377_2.png) [@BluntObjctOfHate](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BluntObjctOfHate)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 5:07pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/142 "2016-07-07T17:07:00Z")
> [@nervous1929](#): > > remember hardline video they where all making claims this was the funniest and best game ever,they where bragging of helping the dev and contributed a lot .then all on a sudden , the game was the worst thing in the world in their video and they literally sink hardline dead on arrival . > > played hardline and it was ok and i had fun . not the best but not bad as some claim it to be . > > some friends who where enjoying hardline changed their opinion because of the youtubers negative movement . they where enjoying the game until the negative wave from youtube hit them .they stopped playing it and bough hype on other title . This is what I was talking about earlier in the thread ,and now low and behold they stopped all fixes on the game that needed to be fixed which other Hardline players know what I’m talking about. ---
**Author:** ![ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thepoolshark/32/103801_2.png) [@ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ThePoolshark)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 5:09pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/143 "2016-07-07T17:09:00Z")
> [@MartinBabl](#): > > I really think they should get a website going ASAP. It will clarify a lot and put an end to this thread. Explain what Game changers do. From what I now understand, I believe that there can only really come good from this program for the game developer and the community. A better platform to communicate ideas and ultimately making a better game. Essentially that is the point, to gather feedback from people who play their games. In the end, we all play Battlefield, and there are more hardcore players than others who put hundreds or thousands of hours in these games. While I don’t have the time I used to, I still put 700+ hours into their games, and have since 1942. And why wouldn’t any company want to tap into their hardcore fanbase for feedback? Seems like good business to me. Also, a note I forgot to add, there are WAYYY more game changers than big youtubers. While they may not specifically get sent to studios for feedback, there are opportunities for feedback at any level ---
**Author:** ![Nyburgare](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/3ab097/32.png) [@Nyburgare](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Nyburgare)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 5:11pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/144 "2016-07-07T17:11:00Z")
Its not only youtubers that help out. I know that competitive players went to DICE and tried out Hardline. Im not sure how much they could do about its development but you dont have to be a big youtuber to at least try it and say what you think about it before its released to everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 5:13pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/145 "2016-07-07T17:13:00Z")
> [@ThePoolshark](#): > > Also, a note I forgot to add, there are WAYYY more game changers than big youtubers. While they may not specifically get sent to studios for feedback, there are opportunities for feedback at any level ## [Link to section: Awesome - this is a point I thought (and insisted) that you should emphasize.](#awesome-this-is-a-point-i-thought-and-insisted-that-you-should-emphasize-1)Awesome - this is a point I thought (and insisted) that you should emphasize. It’s not like huge YouTubers and Streamers are the ones dictating what is and isn’t changed in the game. I specifically remember in your video saying that there are close to or over 500 Gamechangers? That’s significantly more people than there are even prominent BF youtubers or streamers in existence. ---
**Author:** ![ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thepoolshark/32/103801_2.png) [@ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ThePoolshark)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 5:16pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/146 "2016-07-07T17:16:00Z")
> [@BluntObjctOfHate](#): > > > [@nervous1929](#): > > > > remember hardline video they where all making claims this was the funniest and best game ever,they where bragging of helping the dev and contributed a lot .then all on a sudden , the game was the worst thing in the world in their video and they literally sink hardline dead on arrival . > > > > played hardline and it was ok and i had fun . not the best but not bad as some claim it to be . > > > > some friends who where enjoying hardline changed their opinion because of the youtubers negative movement . they where enjoying the game until the negative wave from youtube hit them .they stopped playing it and bough hype on other title . > > This is what I was talking about earlier in the thread ,and now low and behold they stopped all fixes on the game that needed to be fixed which other Hardline players know what I’m talking about. I know a lot of youtubers who actually enjoy Hardline. I was part of that, and I still think this was one of the better infantry focused fast paced Battlefield games that came out. Sadly, the community hated the theme and faster paced action, and shunned it ---
**Author:** ![Nzwg](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/dbc845/32.png) [@Nzwg](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Nzwg)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 6:01pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/147 "2016-07-07T18:01:00Z")
> [@ThePoolshark](#): > > So, I finally got approval to post this video. A day late, but it should explain a little more what we actually do as game changers. Also, due to time, I didn’t get a chance to record pure audio which is why the game is a bit loud. Uh-oh that video contains bad words (can be seen at 6:15, 9:40, 10:31). I thought Star Wars Battlefront had a profanity filter ![](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/4/5/45084e91c9d9072feae1f2c8c07c113893bf5ca9.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Watjalukinat](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/watjalukinat/32/104044_2.png) [@Watjalukinat](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Watjalukinat)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 6:16pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/148 "2016-07-07T18:16:00Z")
> [@ThePoolshark](#): > > Watjalukinat, don’t tell people to shut up. I saw your explanation on what you meant by it, and if you can’t find other words to express what you mean, then you may not want to post. If it was directed at another user, you would be getting removed from here, but luckily I have thick skin and understand that my opinions may be different than others and my strong opinions can take strong rebuttal, but at least phrase it in a way that doesn’t get you banned. People complain a lot on here, most of the complaints are petty stuff in my opinion, and I disregard most of it as nonsense. I still report it, regardless of how I feel since that is my role here. Let’s be realistic here, does a voice and a color of a soldier ACTUALLY matter? Does it pain people so bad that they can’t have fun with the game? If so, what does that say about the person? In the end, they are pixels and voice over… does absolutely nothing to change the gameplay. Why can we not focus on things that actually cause a change in gameplay? In the end, it is their game, and I do not see them changing certain things (skin color and voice being two things) because that is how they want to portray things. As much as people may think otherwise, game development is an art, the game is their art. You wouldn’t have gone up to Picasso and tell him his art is because it doesn’t show something people feel as right, so why would you do that to game devs? Different medium, same idea. You’re right, that was uncalled for. I thought you were playing the sjw role. I don’t care about the color of a person on the cover or the gender of a voice over. I just want good gameplay and good graphics. People talking about immersion breaking are silly. Take bf4, in what world would our military send troops into a place that is SOLELY occupied by enemy combatants. That why we have the BUFF lol. Like your video said authenticity \> realism for this game. ---
**Author:** ![Watjalukinat](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/watjalukinat/32/104044_2.png) [@Watjalukinat](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Watjalukinat)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 6:29pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/149 "2016-07-07T18:29:00Z")
I think the sentiment comes from some of us who have been around since bf1942 and see some more visible people calling for more infantry based gameplay. The same ones who refer to bc2 as “the old days”. I started fps’s with wolf3d and online with quake 2 so battlefield got me because it wasn’t an arena shooter there was so much more going on. I love the idea of a game developer reaching out for feedback, just cringe when it seems most of the voices being heard are focused so much on infantry. Not even mentioning the divide between normal and hardcore mode. Need more people giving input who are bf traditionalists. That being said, enjoying the alpha a lot. ---
**Author:** ![ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thepoolshark/32/103801_2.png) [@ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ThePoolshark)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 6:39pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/150 "2016-07-07T18:39:00Z")
> [@Watjalukinat](#): > > I think the sentiment comes from some of us who have been around since bf1942 and see some more visible people calling for more infantry based gameplay. The same ones who refer to bc2 as “the old days”. I started fps’s with wolf3d and online with quake 2 so battlefield got me because it wasn’t an arena shooter there was so much more going on. I love the idea of a game developer reaching out for feedback, just cringe when it seems most of the voices being heard are focused so much on infantry. Not even mentioning the divide between normal and hardcore mode. Need more people giving input who are bf traditionalists. That being said, enjoying the alpha a lot. I have played the game since 1942 came out, however, the game has evolved, and in its evolution has changed a lot since 1942 was released. People playing since BC2 still have enough insight on where the franchise is going as someone who has played since 1942. ---
**Author:** ![ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thepoolshark/32/103801_2.png) [@ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ThePoolshark)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 6:40pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406/151 "2016-07-07T18:40:00Z")
> [@Watjalukinat](#): > > > [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > > Watjalukinat, don’t tell people to shut up. I saw your explanation on what you meant by it, and if you can’t find other words to express what you mean, then you may not want to post. If it was directed at another user, you would be getting removed from here, but luckily I have thick skin and understand that my opinions may be different than others and my strong opinions can take strong rebuttal, but at least phrase it in a way that doesn’t get you banned. People complain a lot on here, most of the complaints are petty stuff in my opinion, and I disregard most of it as nonsense. I still report it, regardless of how I feel since that is my role here. Let’s be realistic here, does a voice and a color of a soldier ACTUALLY matter? Does it pain people so bad that they can’t have fun with the game? If so, what does that say about the person? In the end, they are pixels and voice over… does absolutely nothing to change the gameplay. Why can we not focus on things that actually cause a change in gameplay? In the end, it is their game, and I do not see them changing certain things (skin color and voice being two things) because that is how they want to portray things. As much as people may think otherwise, game development is an art, the game is their art. You wouldn’t have gone up to Picasso and tell him his art is because it doesn’t show something people feel as right, so why would you do that to game devs? Different medium, same idea. > > You’re right, that was uncalled for. I thought you were playing the sjw role. I don’t care about the color of a person on the cover or the gender of a voice over. I just want good gameplay and good graphics. > > People talking about immersion breaking are silly. Take bf4, in what world would our military send troops into a place that is SOLELY occupied by enemy combatants. That why we have the BUFF lol. Like your video said authenticity \> realism for this game. I was just making a point, although I may have used two points that were pointing towards that whole sjw thing, but they are honestly the easiest to pick out right now int he forums [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/are-famous-battlefield-youtubers-ruining-the-franchise/102406.md?page=7)