# Battlefield 1: is it wrong to set a war game in the trenches of the first world war? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 12, 2016, 8:27pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-is-it-wrong-to-set-a-war-game-in-the-trenches-of-the-first-world-war/101211 "2016-05-12T20:27:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Tank\_Krusher](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/tank_krusher/32/103696_2.png) [@Tank\_Krusher](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Tank_Krusher)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 8:27pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-is-it-wrong-to-set-a-war-game-in-the-trenches-of-the-first-world-war/101211/1 "2016-05-12T20:27:00Z")
[Battlefield 1: is it wrong to set a war game in the trenches of the first world war?](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/may/12/battlefield-war-game-first-world-war) The first world war may not be the most obvious time period in which to set a team-based first-person shooter with a heavy emphasis on vehicular combat. The pointless slaughter of trench warfare, with lines of enlisted men marching slowly towards machine guns that mowed them down by the thousands, all to gain or lose mere feet of frontline, isn’t exactly a “fun” scenario. And while the Great War was the first time tanks, planes and zeppelins were used in combat, their deployment was often small-scale and of minimal strategic importance. Nonetheless, Battlefield developer EA Dice has committed to tackling the period with latest game in the series, Battlefield 1. The definitive name comes from the studio’s desire “to portray the dawn of all out war… the genesis of modern warfare”. It may also be accurate to suggest that the series has come to the 1914-18 conflict because it has run out of alternatives. Since the arrival of original game Battlefield 1942 in 2002, Battlefield has toured the second world war (multiple times), Vietnam, the present, the future, and even the battles between organised crime and militarised police forces in the cities of America. Despite being the most removed from the present day, however, the first world war retains a unique position in the public psyche. Perceived as a shamefully wasteful contest between sabre-rattling empires, leading to the unnecessary deaths of millions, it has largely been exempt from interactive portrayals – apart from biplane flight combat sims and hexagon-based war games. Call of Duty briefly took players to an alternative, zombie-infested version of the conflict, but that’s about it. Advertisement And so the announcement of Battlefield’s setting was met with a certain amount of unease. Wired’s Jake Muncy wrote that “a first-person shooter set in WWI is maaaybe not the best idea”, pointing out the fact that “the Great War was deeply disempowering to the individual soldier, and disproved the notion that modernity would bring peace”. The development team is clearly aware of the concerns, and is already trying to assuage fears. “We’re not making a documentary on the Great War,” producer Aleks Grondal told Eurogamer. “This is a fresh take. This is a take where we’re applying our DICE flavours to the era and the setting. That’s really just a backdrop for what the game is in the end.” But asking whether the first world war is an appropriate topic for a first-person shooter may reveal a more pressing question: why do we think any war is? A game set in the Great War will necessarily whitewash the horrors of trench warfare. Even when games do tenderly address these subjects, they rarely do so through the medium of 64v64 class-based combat. The beautiful Ubisoft title Valiant Hearts, about four characters attempting to help a German soldier, is a puzzle adventure that told human stories. It did not encourage players to excitedly recreate the battle of the Somme. But games set in the second world war – which has been deemed acceptable as a backdrop to gung-ho shooters like Call of Duty and Brothers in Arms – tend not to address the disgrace of civilian bombardment, let alone the horrors of the atomic bombings or the holocaust. Sometimes that can seem a blessing: 2014’s Wolfenstein: The New Order was set in an alternative history in which the won the war. It received broadly positive reviews, but the game’s handling of the topic of the holocaust provide divisive. General disagreement that holocaust imagery even belonged in a game which is still, at heart, about shooting sci-fi in robot suits was matched with specific concerns about the accuracy of its portrayal of racism. Fundamentally, there are two second world wars. There’s the complex, messy one of history. The one where Britain entered a war not to fight an evil dictator, but to protect its allies and interests on the continent; where America sat out for two years as fascism grew popular within its own borders, only joining when Japan forced its hand; where the horror of the holocaust was known to Allied leadership, but not acted on, long before Russia liberated Auschwitz. And then there’s the WWII of Boy’s Own, Eagle and Commando: Where Britain and America joined forces with the goal of taking on an evil empire, and liberating the people of Europe. It’s a reshaping of history, but one which enabled the horrors of the war to be understood and processed by a new generation. By contrast, the first world war has only really had one portrayal. Starting with shellshocked war poets writing, and dying, on the front line, the horror and wastefulness of the Great War has never been far from its popular perception. Stories of (the fictional) Biggles, the (real) Red Baron and the flying aces of world war one are able to exist alongside the horror of the trenches, but never obscure them. Maybe Battlefield 1 can enter that canon too, and slowly build its own version of the first world war to go alongside the cartoon retelling of the second. But if you think it shouldn’t be allowed to try, it may be worth first asking why you are happy with war games at all. ---
**Author:** ![DingoKillr](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/dingokillr/32/101728_2.png) [@DingoKillr](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DingoKillr)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 8:30pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-is-it-wrong-to-set-a-war-game-in-the-trenches-of-the-first-world-war/101211/2 "2016-05-12T20:30:00Z")
If you are going to copy and paste a News article at least quote the source. ---
**Author:** ![jakeberry5](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/d6d6ee/32.png) [@jakeberry5](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/jakeberry5)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 8:53pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-is-it-wrong-to-set-a-war-game-in-the-trenches-of-the-first-world-war/101211/3 "2016-05-12T20:53:00Z")
For one the Guys named Tank\_Krusher, ha, 2. He can’t be for real, he wants a philosophical debate about the use of war in games on a battlefield 1 forum? Haha, I’ve like half read what you’ve wrote, tbh it’s abit long and woffly for a forum post, I’m not 100% what your point is, but mate kids play soldiers with toy guns, we’ve evolved to want to compete and fight. In battlefield We want to blow stuff up and shoot each other no matter where or when it’s set, one noteworthy thing since I found out battlefield 1 is set in WW1 is I found myself researching ww1 surprised at dices choice and was was surprised about the diversity and scope of where the war took place and I’m more informed about pointlessness of the war and waste of life educational game? Ha But, yea I’ll enjoy killing and blowing up stuff in an accurate as a posed to alternative view of WW1, dam I’ve ended up having a philosophical debate! Ha. ---
**Author:** ![DrVanNostrand1](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/ecccb3/32.png) [@DrVanNostrand1](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DrVanNostrand1)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 8:56pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-is-it-wrong-to-set-a-war-game-in-the-trenches-of-the-first-world-war/101211/4 "2016-05-12T20:56:00Z")
**and even the battles between organised crime and militarised police forces in the cities of America.** is he talking about herd-line ? ---
**Author:** ![Sir-xer21](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sir-xer21/32/103487_2.png) [@Sir-xer21](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Sir-xer21)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 9:02pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-is-it-wrong-to-set-a-war-game-in-the-trenches-of-the-first-world-war/101211/5 "2016-05-12T21:02:00Z")
> [@DingoKillr](#): > > If you are going to copy and paste a News article at least quote the source. he did. the first line is a link. but you cant read it because the forum background is too dark to see it’s a link. ---
**Author:** ![ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thepoolshark/32/103801_2.png) [@ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ThePoolshark)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 9:04pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-is-it-wrong-to-set-a-war-game-in-the-trenches-of-the-first-world-war/101211/6 "2016-05-12T21:04:00Z")
I saw someone post another article about this… kind of a rebuttal. Let me see if I can find it Here… this one is bad [http://www.wired.com/2016/05/battlefield-1-wwi/](http://www.wired.com/2016/05/battlefield-1-wwi/) ---
**Author:** ![Sir-xer21](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sir-xer21/32/103487_2.png) [@Sir-xer21](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Sir-xer21)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 9:15pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-is-it-wrong-to-set-a-war-game-in-the-trenches-of-the-first-world-war/101211/7 "2016-05-12T21:15:00Z")
> [@ThePoolshark](#): > > I saw someone post another article about this… kind of a rebuttal. Let me see if I can find it > > Here… this one is bad [http://www.wired.com/2016/05/battlefield-1-wwi/](http://www.wired.com/2016/05/battlefield-1-wwi/) they’re making a lot of baseless assumptions and adjectly ignore what kind of franchise BF even is. That’s bad journalism. Pity too, because i respect Wired. ---
**Author:** ![DrVanNostrand1](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/ecccb3/32.png) [@DrVanNostrand1](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DrVanNostrand1)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 9:15pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-is-it-wrong-to-set-a-war-game-in-the-trenches-of-the-first-world-war/101211/8 "2016-05-12T21:15:00Z")
> [@ThePoolshark](#): > > I saw someone post another article about this… kind of a rebuttal. Let me see if I can find it > > Here… this one is bad [http://www.wired.com/2016/05/battlefield-1-wwi/](http://www.wired.com/2016/05/battlefield-1-wwi/) wait,the spanish flu is not included in the game? ---
**Author:** ![ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thepoolshark/32/103801_2.png) [@ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ThePoolshark)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 9:15pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-is-it-wrong-to-set-a-war-game-in-the-trenches-of-the-first-world-war/101211/9 "2016-05-12T21:15:00Z")
> [@Sir-xer21](#): > > > [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > > I saw someone post another article about this… kind of a rebuttal. Let me see if I can find it > > > > Here… this one is bad [http://www.wired.com/2016/05/battlefield-1-wwi/](http://www.wired.com/2016/05/battlefield-1-wwi/) > > they’re making a lot of baseless assumptions and adjectly ignore what kind of franchise BF even is. That’s bad journalism. Pity too, because i respect Wired. Yea, it is a terrible article ---
**Author:** ![CosmicStriker](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@CosmicStriker](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/CosmicStriker)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 9:24pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-is-it-wrong-to-set-a-war-game-in-the-trenches-of-the-first-world-war/101211/10 "2016-05-12T21:24:00Z")
I guess you never played 1943 battlefield game. ---
**Author:** ![windowlicker1005](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@windowlicker1005](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/windowlicker1005)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 9:41pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-is-it-wrong-to-set-a-war-game-in-the-trenches-of-the-first-world-war/101211/11 "2016-05-12T21:41:00Z")
I disagree with the wired article. It says that there was no heroic narrative to cancel out the brutality, but ---
**Author:** ![windowlicker1005](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@windowlicker1005](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/windowlicker1005)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 9:48pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-is-it-wrong-to-set-a-war-game-in-the-trenches-of-the-first-world-war/101211/12 "2016-05-12T21:48:00Z")
Thing about setting a game in WWI is it’s a historical, aka something that happened in the past. In other words, it’s ancient history, never to happen again. Modern military games on the other hand could actually happen, and you could imagine the warpigs are gleefully rubbing their hands together, seeing the millions of people acclimatizing to and in a way making contemporary or _possible_ war seem _normal_ . So if there is a moral argument it’s with contemporary war games, not ancient ones IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Tank\_Krusher](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/tank_krusher/32/103696_2.png) [@Tank\_Krusher](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Tank_Krusher)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 9:57pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-is-it-wrong-to-set-a-war-game-in-the-trenches-of-the-first-world-war/101211/13 "2016-05-12T21:57:00Z")
> [@windowlicker1005](#): > > …the warpigs are gleefully rubbing their hands together. … What exactly is a [Warpig](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_pig)? " ---
**Author:** ![Zee\_Ace](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/z/e8c25b/32.png) [@Zee\_Ace](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Zee_Ace)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 10:11pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-is-it-wrong-to-set-a-war-game-in-the-trenches-of-the-first-world-war/101211/14 "2016-05-12T22:11:00Z")
If it’s wrong to set a game in wwi then is it wrong to set a game in any war? I don’t think it is, unless there’s blatant propaganda or changing of the truth to make one side look different than historically accurate. ---
**Author:** ![windowlicker1005](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@windowlicker1005](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/windowlicker1005)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 10:15pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-is-it-wrong-to-set-a-war-game-in-the-trenches-of-the-first-world-war/101211/15 "2016-05-12T22:15:00Z")
> [@Tank\_Krusher](#): > > > [@windowlicker1005](#): > > > > …the warpigs are gleefully rubbing their hands together. … > > What exactly is a [Warpig](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_pig)? > > " The ones who profit from war, I suppose. The warpigs assassinated JFK IMO, in order to go to war in Vietnam. Watch JFK by Oliver Stone. ---
**Author:** ![B3ANTOWN\_B3A5T](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/b3antown_b3a5t/32/101262_2.png) [@B3ANTOWN\_B3A5T](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/B3ANTOWN_B3A5T)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 10:18pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-is-it-wrong-to-set-a-war-game-in-the-trenches-of-the-first-world-war/101211/16 "2016-05-12T22:18:00Z")
Jesus people are acting like this is a game based on the Holocaust or something. All wars have brutality. We can’t pick and choose which armed conflict is acceptable to base a game on. Either there should be no war games at all or any war is acceptable. ---
**Author:** ![Tactical\_wizzzeR](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/tactical_wizzzer/32/103688_2.png) [@Tactical\_wizzzeR](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Tactical_wizzzeR)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 2:01am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-is-it-wrong-to-set-a-war-game-in-the-trenches-of-the-first-world-war/101211/17 "2016-05-13T02:01:00Z")
Why is suddenly the Great War sacred? why are the horrors of the Second World War given a pass in video games, yet World War 1 is suddenly untouchable? in what context to those writers come up with those articles? it’s amazing how many words can be written about what amounts to nothing. just because it sounds like a good idea to write about it, doesn’t mean it is… pointless article is pointless. If the “crass” Wolfenstein: The New Order can touch elements of the Holocaust with such great sensitivity, yet at the same time remain an ultra violent “dudebro” shooter, I bet DICE can handle WW1 just as great.