# Battlefield 1 the new BF4 **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 20, 2016, 8:58am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-the-new-bf4/102322 "2016-06-20T08:58:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![A\_warped\_mind](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/a_warped_mind/32/101124_2.png) [@A\_warped\_mind](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/A_warped_mind)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 11:55am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-the-new-bf4/102322/41 "2016-06-21T11:55:00Z")
> [@Silverme](#): > > And why is this such a polarizing issue? one side acts like the other wants a rife simulator where you can’t fire at more than 1 shot/min (unlike the British who fired 15 shots/min) and the other wants a scooped out shell of a game like Battlefront(that was DICEs attempted at a casual, fun, shooter right?) Who wants a game like battlefront I certainly don’t People seem to think there were only Bolt action rifles in WWI and nothing else existed and the Somme was the only type of battle fought muddy trench warfare with just bolt actions. (shotguns existed in the same trench environment ) imagine that shotguns in the trenches. WWI was a diverse huge battle that took Wait for it(All over the world) in many different places with many many different weapons/vehicles. Do you realise horses will be in multiplayer ( I bet we’ll get the animal rights people in here next ) BF will never be COD and has nothing to do with COD (people are fixated way too much on that game) All battlefield games are virtually reskins of each other down the years apart from (2142 and Hardline) the difference is they improve on each other and take bits off of one another to further enhance/improve and move the franchise forward. Being stuck in the past doesn’t help any franchise (you have to move forward to survive) ---
**Author:** ![Turbo\_Siats](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/e47774/32.png) [@Turbo\_Siats](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Turbo_Siats)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 12:14pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-the-new-bf4/102322/42 "2016-06-21T12:14:00Z")
> [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > [@B3ANTOWN\_\_B3A5T](#): > > > > Jesus H Christ > > > > No one wants a game where all classes use BAs > > > > No one wants a game where the speed is slow as > > > > Well… no one with a brain anyway… > > I agree, and apparently so does DICE. I just leave these threads to give the illusion that the 15 people who care could get their way. The overwhelming feedback is people like the speed and weapons. To be honest, from reading your posts, I don’t think that you have a very good grasp on why DICE do or do not do particular things, as your assumptions regarding things seem to be very out to lunch. And you’re also not exactly an impressive or positive example-setting forum moderator by saying that you graciously let people’s threads that discuss things contrary to your opinions remain, just to give them a false sense of being listened to. Guess what, people are writing here for discussions with people other than yourself, who is someone you clearly need to get over. ---
**Author:** ![Lordmang4](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/e19b73/32.png) [@Lordmang4](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Lordmang4)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 12:23pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-the-new-bf4/102322/43 "2016-06-21T12:23:00Z")
> [@Turbo\_Siats](#): > > > [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > > > [@B3ANTOWN\_\_B3A5T](#): > > > > > > Jesus H Christ > > > > > > No one wants a game where all classes use BAs > > > > > > No one wants a game where the speed is slow as > > > > > > Well… no one with a brain anyway… > > > > I agree, and apparently so does DICE. I just leave these threads to give the illusion that the 15 people who care could get their way. The overwhelming feedback is people like the speed and weapons. > > To be honest, from reading your posts, I don’t think that you have a very good grasp on why DICE do or do not do particular things, as your assumptions regarding things seem to be very out to lunch. > > And you’re also not exactly an impressive or positive example-setting forum moderator by saying that you graciously let people’s threads that discuss things contrary to your opinions remain, just to give them a false sense of being listened to. Guess what, people are writing here for discussions with people other than yourself, who is someone you clearly need to get over. The first thing Poolshark will tell you is that he’s an unpaid volunteer moderator. Then he’ll tell you that he does NOT work for EA, so his opinions are his alone and don’t represent that of EA’s. Finally, he’ll tell you (by way of his signature) that he’s the best forum moderator. Ever. With that said, I agree with your assessment of his character and professionalism. ---
**Author:** ![Jihad\_Jockey](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/jihad_jockey/32/102395_2.png) [@Jihad\_Jockey](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Jihad_Jockey)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 12:25pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-the-new-bf4/102322/44 "2016-06-21T12:25:00Z")
I love you Poolshark. Dont listen to these meanies. ---
**Author:** ![m1k3ol](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/eb9ed0/32.png) [@m1k3ol](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/m1k3ol)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 12:38pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-the-new-bf4/102322/45 "2016-06-21T12:38:00Z")
> [@Turbo\_Siats](#): > > > [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > > I agree, and apparently so does DICE. I just leave these threads to give the illusion that the 15 people who care could get their way. The overwhelming feedback is people like the speed and weapons. > > To be honest, from reading your posts, I don’t think that you have a very good grasp on why DICE do or do not do particular things, as your assumptions regarding things seem to be very out to lunch. I hope you know he is actually a Gamechanger, which means he knows more than pretty much anyone here about that subject… ---
**Author:** ![Lordmang4](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/e19b73/32.png) [@Lordmang4](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Lordmang4)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 12:47pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-the-new-bf4/102322/46 "2016-06-21T12:47:00Z")
> [@m1k3ol](#): > > > [@Turbo\_Siats](#): > > > > > [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > > > > I agree, and apparently so does DICE. I just leave these threads to give the illusion that the 15 people who care could get their way. The overwhelming feedback is people like the speed and weapons. > > > > To be honest, from reading your posts, I don’t think that you have a very good grasp on why DICE do or do not do particular things, as your assumptions regarding things seem to be very out to lunch. > > I hope you know he is actually a Gamechanger, which means he knows more than pretty much anyone here about that subject… That’s interesting. So what authority grants licensing and qualification testing to acquire this “Gamechanger” certifcation? ---
**Author:** ![Turbo\_Siats](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/e47774/32.png) [@Turbo\_Siats](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Turbo_Siats)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 1:27pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-the-new-bf4/102322/47 "2016-06-21T13:27:00Z")
> [@m1k3ol](#): > > > [@Turbo\_Siats](#): > > > > > [@ThePoolshark](#): > > > > > > I agree, and apparently so does DICE. I just leave these threads to give the illusion that the 15 people who care could get their way. The overwhelming feedback is people like the speed and weapons. > > > > To be honest, from reading your posts, I don’t think that you have a very good grasp on why DICE do or do not do particular things, as your assumptions regarding things seem to be very out to lunch. > > I hope you know he is actually a Gamechanger, which means he knows more than pretty much anyone here about that subject… I hope you understand that a person who says Battlefront sold 15 million copies, and so therefore DICE must be giving players the gameplay they want… when Battlefront, panned and abandoned by critics and players alike, has been an abysmal failure in keeping a playerbase, and when the recommendations people give everywhere on the internet is to not buy the game, and when the daily players of Battlefront is now not even 1/5th of those for Battlefield 4, which is 2 years older than Battlefront… doesn’t know what in the world they’re talking about. His extent of involvement is probably relaying people’s ideas and feedback to DICE, which I’m sure he does with great bias and selective self-servingness, judging by his standard self-expression here on these forums. His character is such that he would likely be reprimanded by forum moderators on other developer forums. - He shuts down discussion with prejudice - He actually discourages discussions he doesn’t like, but which don’t contravene any etiquette rules - He’s condescending and mocking of other people and their views (although his own are block-headed, and he doesn’t offer anything creative or insightful, and only speaks as a defender for whatever he presumes already is being done) - He has the audacity to tell people that he lets their discussions continue when they aren’t aligned with his own personal opinion only by his grace, and just so that they can be tricked into thinking they’re being heard - He’s obnoxious an arrogant, and he sets an atmosphere and attitude that doesn’t encourage positive interaction on these forums, and which is not beneficial to DICE and EA as companies wanting to attract a community and customers - He’s a bully As a person, he’s not an impressive character. And as a moderator, he’s terrible, and is absolutely everything that the typical forum has moderators to steer forum conduct away from. Moderators are to encourage, and when necessary, enforce good poster conduct. He discourages, and enforces an arbitrary personal preference. It’s a joke that he’s even a moderator here. His behavior is certainly doing DICE and EA no favours. ---
**Author:** ![doobiebromac](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/doobiebromac/32/101764_2.png) [@doobiebromac](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/doobiebromac)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 1:36pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-the-new-bf4/102322/48 "2016-06-21T13:36:00Z")
^Are there alternative BF forums? Where the mods are not all former trolls? And they do not quote posts that contain insults to people? ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 3:46pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-the-new-bf4/102322/49 "2016-06-21T15:46:00Z")
lol, WOW. What a way to discuss moderation on a forum where discussing moderation is against the rules. What a good way for you to get your post deleted by Poolshark, and then complain further that Poolshark is unfair to you. Poolshark’s a good guy, and is among the best, most non-stuck-up moderators here. Man, if only that guy had provided sources to all the he’s talking. (And by the way, Poolshark is a volunteer moderator, he doesn’t represent DICE or EA in any official fashion - and he’s a damn good moderator at that.) ---
**Author:** ![m1k3ol](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/eb9ed0/32.png) [@m1k3ol](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/m1k3ol)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 3:48pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-the-new-bf4/102322/50 "2016-06-21T15:48:00Z")
> [@Lordmang4](#): > > That’s interesting. So what authority grants licensing and qualification testing to acquire this “Gamechanger” certifcation? DICE itself… I think you participate in the forums quite a lot, I’m surprised you don’t know something like that… > [@doobiebromac](#): > > ^Are there alternative BF forums? Where the mods are not all former trolls? And they do not quote posts that contain insults to people? None of them are “former trolls”, or have been banned on their accounts before, some actually have close or more to 10 years moderating (PoolShark) I’m on 6 years including other DICE games/branches, and this is the only BF forums… You might want to check fan communities, but I hardly have seen any best moderated than the official ones in all my years… > [@Turbo\_Siats](#): > > … Most of your views are on his personal behavior, yet that doesn’t take out the facts that: 1.- He was handpicked by DICE for that role, so they do know why that happened and how much his feedback goes through or gets filtered 2.- He certainly knows more about their “view” than you and me (I’m not on that program) or many others on this thread I keep hearing that “but Battlefront…”, yet I see that just today they got a peak amount of more than 28k concurrent players on PS4 alone (above 16k on Xbox One), this is finances 101, are you really going to pass on that amount of customers?, for what?, to be gained by the competition?, does that look like “abandoned” to you? Also, discussion is not barred but he is as entitled to his opinion as you are, if he wanted to moderate with iron fist as some think, there are grounds to close the thread since this has been discussed before on other threads (with other titles) ---
**Author:** ![Lordmang4](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/e19b73/32.png) [@Lordmang4](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Lordmang4)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 3:50pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-the-new-bf4/102322/51 "2016-06-21T15:50:00Z")
@Loqtrall Not sure how you can say “most non-stuck up moderator” about someone who uses “Greatest Moderator Ever” in his forum signature. ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 3:52pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-the-new-bf4/102322/52 "2016-06-21T15:52:00Z")
> [@Lordmang4](#): > > @Loqtrall > Not sure how you can say “most non-stuck up moderator” about someone who uses “Greatest Moderator Ever” in his forum signature. i’m assuming you’ve never taken a joke or experienced sarcasm in your life? ---
**Author:** ![Lordmang4](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/e19b73/32.png) [@Lordmang4](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Lordmang4)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 3:55pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-the-new-bf4/102322/53 "2016-06-21T15:55:00Z")
> [@Loqtrall](#): > > > [@Lordmang4](#): > > > > @Loqtrall > > Not sure how you can say “most non-stuck up moderator” about someone who uses “Greatest Moderator Ever” in his forum signature. > > i’m assuming you’ve never taken a joke or experienced sarcasm in your life? I have but I’m not convinced he’s joking or being sarcastic about it. Read his Twitter posts and you’ll see what I mean (and why others are commenting on his character and lack of professionalism). ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 3:58pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-the-new-bf4/102322/54 "2016-06-21T15:58:00Z")
> [@Lordmang4](#): > > > [@Loqtrall](#): > > > > > [@Lordmang4](#): > > > > > > @Loqtrall > > > Not sure how you can say “most non-stuck up moderator” about someone who uses “Greatest Moderator Ever” in his forum signature. > > > > i’m assuming you’ve never taken a joke or experienced sarcasm in your life? > > I have but I’m not convinced he’s joking or being sarcastic about it. Read his Twitter posts and you’ll see what I mean (and why others are commenting on his character and lack of professionalism). I follow him on Twitter and I see nothing wrong with his posts, or what you “mean” by telling me to look at his twitter posts…? All he’s recently posted is about contest winnings and making videos. Are you saying he’s uptight because he dislikes key resellers? or that breaking NDAs is bad? I honestly don’t know what you’re talking about. He’s a decent dude. ---
**Author:** ![ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thepoolshark/32/103801_2.png) [@ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ThePoolshark)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 3:59pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-the-new-bf4/102322/55 "2016-06-21T15:59:00Z")
> [@Loqtrall](#): > > > [@Lordmang4](#): > > > > @Loqtrall > > Not sure how you can say “most non-stuck up moderator” about someone who uses “Greatest Moderator Ever” in his forum signature. > > i’m assuming you’ve never taken a joke or experienced sarcasm in your life? sarcasm? this is a new concept to me… also, y’all madddddd. I get tons of feedback from here to give to DICE when I give them feedback during the game changer events. However, I only take good feedback that most seem to agree with. A lot of the stuff here is genuinely bad feedback, and would only benefit certain people. I have been doing this game changer thing for a long time, and understand the development cycle, and what can or can’t be implemented. That alone gives the ability to pick and choose what feedback I give so I don’t waste their and my time. I am sorry I think your ideas are bad, nothing you say will change that. DICE obviously like what I have to say, or I wouldn’t be there multiple times a year to give them ideas. Edit: We are done discussing how great of a person you all think I am. Back to the topic, or I can remove you from the 3rd EA forum. ---
**Author:** ![AMEN2THAT](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/amen2that/32/101195_2.png) [@AMEN2THAT](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/AMEN2THAT)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 4:01pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-the-new-bf4/102322/56 "2016-06-21T16:01:00Z")
> [@m1k3ol](#): > > 1.- He was handpicked by DICE for that role, so they do know why that happened and how much his feedback goes through or gets filtered What does that mean? I may have understood completely wrong but are you saying is it you guys reporting to DICE what happens on the forums? I mean lets take this topic as example that discusses the hot subject about BF1 nowdays: it should be you leading DICE attention to this subject or DICE comes check forums by themselves without any hint from you mods? Because it sounds like the big subject about BF1 nowdays wont get in devs hands if mr poolshark doesnt put his “worth to be seen” tag on it… but i may completely wrong as i may have misunderstood that senteced i quoted ---
**Author:** ![ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thepoolshark/32/103801_2.png) [@ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ThePoolshark)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 4:04pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-the-new-bf4/102322/57 "2016-06-21T16:04:00Z")
> [@AMEN2THAT](#): > > > [@m1k3ol](#): > > > > 1.- He was handpicked by DICE for that role, so they do know why that happened and how much his feedback goes through or gets filtered > > What does that mean? > > I may have understood completely wrong but are you saying is it you guys reporting to DICE what happens on the forums? I mean lets take this topic as example that discusses the hot subject about BF1 nowdays: it should be you leading DICE attention to this subject or DICE comes check forums by themselves without any hint from you mods? > > Because it sounds like the big subject about BF1 nowdays wont get in devs hands if mr poolshark doesnt put his “worth to be seen” tag on it… but i may completely wrong as i may have misunderstood that senteced i quoted I do a whole different thing than the other moderators here. While we bring up hot topics to EA, which will make their way to DICE, my thing is actual feedback sessions with the developers throughout the year. I was picked to be a part of a group to give feedback directly to DICE, which allows me to pick feedback that I think is worthy. Two completely separate things ---
**Author:** ![Lordmang4](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/e19b73/32.png) [@Lordmang4](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Lordmang4)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 4:08pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-the-new-bf4/102322/58 "2016-06-21T16:08:00Z")
Thanks for clarifying your role in the process. I was wondering what you were referring to when you mentioned giving others the “illusion of sharing ideas, commenting, etc.” or something to that effect. > [@Loqtrall](#): > > > [@Lordmang4](#): > > > > > [@Loqtrall](#): > > > > > > > [@Lordmang4](#): > > > > > > > > @Loqtrall > > > > Not sure how you can say “most non-stuck up moderator” about someone who uses “Greatest Moderator Ever” in his forum signature. > > > > > > i’m assuming you’ve never taken a joke or experienced sarcasm in your life? > > > > I have but I’m not convinced he’s joking or being sarcastic about it. Read his Twitter posts and you’ll see what I mean (and why others are commenting on his character and lack of professionalism). > > I follow him on Twitter and I see nothing wrong with his posts, or what you “mean” by telling me to look at his twitter posts…? > > All he’s recently posted is about contest winnings and making videos. Are you saying he’s uptight because he dislikes key resellers? or that breaking NDAs is bad? I honestly don’t know what you’re talking about. He’s a decent dude. Read further back. Much further. ---
**Author:** ![AMEN2THAT](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/amen2that/32/101195_2.png) [@AMEN2THAT](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/AMEN2THAT)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 4:14pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-the-new-bf4/102322/59 "2016-06-21T16:14:00Z")
> [@ThePoolshark](#): > > I do a whole different thing than the other moderators here. While we bring up hot topics to EA, which will make their way to DICE, my thing is actual feedback sessions with the developers throughout the year. I was picked to be a part of a group to give feedback directly to DICE, which allows me to pick feedback that I think is worthy. > > Two completely separate things Ok, now that i got you into this i’d like you to tell me/us if this hot topic about BF1 not having bolt rifles as the weapon of choice is even being mentioned in your Battlefield Game Changer program or its being totally ignored? Dont want deep details of course but i see Xfactor (another whos in the Game Changer program) having his AMA on reddit and hes giving some infos about game so i gues you can tell us if it’s an hot topic there too or none giving a flying Thanks in advance and dont forget to proprose me as Game Changer tester, i see all of you game Change testers seems to be happy with what you get so DICE def needs someone like me going opposite 😃 ---
**Author:** ![B3ANTOWN\_B3A5T](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/b3antown_b3a5t/32/101262_2.png) [@B3ANTOWN\_B3A5T](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/B3ANTOWN_B3A5T)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 4:15pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-the-new-bf4/102322/60 "2016-06-21T16:15:00Z")
Hey Poolshark, have you ever conversed with Dice reps about 3d spotting and the general disdain players have for it? If so how did that convo go? [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-the-new-bf4/102322.md?page=2) [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-1-the-new-bf4/102322.md?page=4)