# Battlefield 5's Ongoing Bad Sales Figures **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 21, 2018, 1:45pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-5s-ongoing-bad-sales-figures/106235 "2018-12-21T13:45:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![fragnstein](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/fragnstein/32/106687_2.png) [@fragnstein](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/fragnstein)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 11:46pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-5s-ongoing-bad-sales-figures/106235/41 "2018-12-27T23:46:00Z")
> [@xBCxSEALxTEAMx6](#): > > > [@Stahlmach](#): > > > > > [@ragnarok013](#): > > > > > > > [@Stahlmach](#): > > > > > > > > We have two parties in here with two different agendas. > > > > > > > > EA on the one hand. Their interest lies only in quarterly revenues and keeping the shareholders happy and quiet. These shareholders dont care about videogames or know really anything about it. > > > > What they know is that the Videogame industry became in the last decade the biggest media industry of the world, with more revenue than the movie and music industry combined. EA ( and other publishers ) use several tools to ensure the shareholders that they get a steady income. DRM systems are one placebo. > > > > You dont need a lot fantasy to see how they told shareholders how much money can be taken from the battlefield series, especially with BF V which should have been the 2018 version of the BF 1942 Original. > > > > With Shareholders comes also another part which heavily influences the quality of modern, so called AAA Games, and that are quarterly revenues. No matter how unfinished the game is, no matter how many Bugs are still to be found. The game will be released. And with modern Costumers being always on, they simply say that everything will be coming in the future. The typical day 1 Patch is the perfect example for that. > > > > EA also saw that companies like Rockstar and Epic games made an immense amount of money with skins and other , cheap to produce online assets. In comparison to single player content which takes more time and money. A decent add-on that i sold for 30€ is something different then a new Car or Skin which you can sell for 15-30 €. a > > > > And people buy it. > > > > > > > > DICE on the other hand is a different story. As others mentioned before the political agenda and attitude of the company or key persons became more and more clear in recent years and heavily influence the marketing of their games and the games itself. > > > > It seems they see themselves more like a political NGO instead of a games developer. And they react pretty unrestrained when the costumers tell them that they dont like that. Instead of critically watching at their own actions, they act more and more in a religious way with the true believers at their side and the heretics at the other. > > > > > > @Stahlmach we are not here to discuss politics get back on topic. > > > > > > ```auto > > > ` > > > ` > > > > > > ``` > > > > And i will respect that but let me ask you a rhetorical question as an Advocatus diaboli: > > Why arent we allowed to discuss politcs as one possible reason for the bad sale numbers while EA and Dice are acting political the whole time; up to the point where they their agenda in their games and PR campaigns ?.. > > > > But you wont hear anything more from me about this… > > Because although politics and bad PR may have been part of the cause of the initial poor sales figures (others may be a bad calendar, or the fact many may have not liked BF1) , DICE has also been seeing, by their own admission many dropoffs and refunds for the game itself after purchase. > > Which is to say, in game matters (difficulty being one issue they cited) are causing refunds, and word of mouth of such, also impacting sales currently. And that being said, i’m one who may have not liked at all the trailer, or the direction they were seemingly going, and did not buy it at launch, but just a few weeks ago on sale for a good deal. > > And although the campaign was as terrible, and not even as much for political reasoning, the MP is actually better than i thought in that department. > > In fact, i think it’s a shame they put themselves in that box, in that there’s no hook hands, or kratos, or any of the sort, and in fact, they look conservatively like soldiers, probably even more so than their past titles. In short, the problem they have now is bad gameplay that seems to be impacting them now shedding players and sales. Please provide a link to EA’s admission of refunds and sales numbers, I believe there are several that would like to read that. As far as I know, game difficulty is not an accepted reason for return either, which I would also like to know where you sourced this information from “which EA also cited” ---
**Author:** ![Natetendo83](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/natetendo83/32/102925_2.png) [@Natetendo83](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Natetendo83)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 9:28pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-5s-ongoing-bad-sales-figures/106235/42 "2018-12-28T21:28:00Z")
> [@PixelSquish](#): > > > [@FourStringBass4](#): > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > Who knows, maybe it bothers you to see women in jobs that used to be almost exclusively male, whatever. > > > > What does that even mean? We’re talking about a WW2 game, not modern jobs. I clearly said I don’t mind having women in a game like Battlefront because it makes sense. Taking the stance that people that don’t like women in WW2 games are misogynist is intellectually lazy. > > You might have a point if this was marketed as a military sim historically accurate shooter, but it’s not. It’s an arcade style inspired wwii influenced setting shooter and if people don’t like the absolute miniscule impact folks being able to skin their soldiers makes on the game, there are some very more serious wwii sim shooters out there. Try one of those if you can’t get over it. I mean given the low sales it seems like a lot of people just didn’t bother with BFV. This isn’t about a military sim, it’s about consumer interest in a WWII game and what those expectations entail. If it wasn’t obvious that general interest in artistic liberties in a Battlefield WWII game was low then it should be now. ---
**Author:** ![StingX71](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/stingx71/32/103620_2.png) [@StingX71](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/StingX71)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 10:46pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-5s-ongoing-bad-sales-figures/106235/43 "2018-12-28T22:46:00Z")
> [@Natetendo83](#): > > > [@PixelSquish](#): > > > > > [@FourStringBass4](#): > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > Who knows, maybe it bothers you to see women in jobs that used to be almost exclusively male, whatever. > > > > > > What does that even mean? We’re talking about a WW2 game, not modern jobs. I clearly said I don’t mind having women in a game like Battlefront because it makes sense. Taking the stance that people that don’t like women in WW2 games are misogynist is intellectually lazy. > > > > You might have a point if this was marketed as a military sim historically accurate shooter, but it’s not. It’s an arcade style inspired wwii influenced setting shooter and if people don’t like the absolute miniscule impact folks being able to skin their soldiers makes on the game, there are some very more serious wwii sim shooters out there. Try one of those if you can’t get over it. > > I mean given the low sales it seems like a lot of people just didn’t bother with BFV. This isn’t about a military sim, it’s about consumer interest in a WWII game and what those expectations entail. If it wasn’t obvious that general interest in artistic liberties in a Battlefield WWII game was low then it should be now. I can’t believe DICE didn’t have some sort of idea what players wanted. Should of been obvious. Lesser known battles? Current crop of DICE exec’s have been making bad decisions since SWBF. It’s been almost 20 years since 1942, they could of remastered the original with new content/graphics and game modes. Throw in BF4’s server rental program and BF2’s Commander, they would of made tons of $. They took the lazy watered down path instead. Instead we got bland maps, 64 player meat grinder servers, and a big ole middle finger. Even CoD’s WWII was no where near as good as CoD WaW. We can only hope this is a serious wake-up call, and the next BF will be epic. Doubt it though. I need to find other games to play… ---
**Author:** ![munkt0r](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@munkt0r](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/munkt0r)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 10:59pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-5s-ongoing-bad-sales-figures/106235/44 "2018-12-28T22:59:00Z")
> [@StingX71](#): > > > [@Natetendo83](#): > > > > > [@PixelSquish](#): > > > > > > > [@FourStringBass4](#): > > > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > > > Who knows, maybe it bothers you to see women in jobs that used to be almost exclusively male, whatever. > > > > > > > > What does that even mean? We’re talking about a WW2 game, not modern jobs. I clearly said I don’t mind having women in a game like Battlefront because it makes sense. Taking the stance that people that don’t like women in WW2 games are misogynist is intellectually lazy. > > > > > > You might have a point if this was marketed as a military sim historically accurate shooter, but it’s not. It’s an arcade style inspired wwii influenced setting shooter and if people don’t like the absolute miniscule impact folks being able to skin their soldiers makes on the game, there are some very more serious wwii sim shooters out there. Try one of those if you can’t get over it. > > > > I mean given the low sales it seems like a lot of people just didn’t bother with BFV. This isn’t about a military sim, it’s about consumer interest in a WWII game and what those expectations entail. If it wasn’t obvious that general interest in artistic liberties in a Battlefield WWII game was low then it should be now. > > I can’t believe DICE didn’t have some sort of idea what players wanted. Should of been obvious. Lesser known battles? Current crop of DICE exec’s have been making bad decisions since SWBF. It’s been almost 20 years since 1942, they could of remastered the original with new content/graphics and game modes. Throw in BF4’s server rental program and BF2’s Commander, they would of made tons of $. They took the lazy watered down path instead. > > Instead we got bland maps, 64 player meat grinder servers, and a big ole middle finger. > > Even CoD’s WWII was no where near as good as CoD WaW. > > We can only hope this is a serious wake-up call, and the next BF will be epic. Doubt it though. I need to find other games to play… The forum would be overloaded with theads complaining about re-used assets and how lazy DICE devs are for just remaking instead of creating something new. ---
**Author:** ![SlowOldWarrior](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@SlowOldWarrior](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SlowOldWarrior)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 11:12pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-5s-ongoing-bad-sales-figures/106235/45 "2018-12-28T23:12:00Z")
> [@trip1ex](#): > > > [@FourStringBass4](#): > > > > After the EA exec said not buy the game if you didn’t like their far left nonsense being added to it, I didn’t plan to buy it. My gf got it for me at half price. This is the first Battlefield on which I have played multiplayer. I enjoyed it the first week, but quickly lost interest. I put about 15 hours into it, and have now uninstalled and sold the game. > > > > Reasons: > > > > 1. I think it is important to resist tech companies pushing the Diversity religion (that is what it is) onto all of us. All of them are doing it. > > 2. I only play games set in themes that I am interested in. Star wars and WW2 are my favorite types of games. I like immersion, and this game does not cut it. Instead of having all of the diversity in the galaxy in Battlefront 2, they tried in this game and it fails. > > 3. The maps are boring. > > 4. The modes are boring. I was very excited to try Conquest since all the Battlefront people claim it’s great. I’d take a CTF mode any day over conquest. All of the modes feel the same to me. > > 5. I just don’t find this game fun. I am sure if I was better I’d like it more, but I don’t care enough to grind through the frustration. > > 6. I got sick of it the main screen being a woman. Did they really need to rub it in our faces? > > > > If people like it, I hope they continue to enjoy it. I am glad I at least tried it out before deciding on if it is good or not. > > I agree about the maps and modes. And the game just not being as fun. My online buddy nailed it when he also said “It’s a great game, but it’s not fun” - direct quote. ---
**Author:** ![StingX71](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/stingx71/32/103620_2.png) [@StingX71](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/StingX71)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 3:48am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-5s-ongoing-bad-sales-figures/106235/46 "2018-12-29T03:48:00Z")
> [@munkt0r](#): > > > [@StingX71](#): > > > > > [@Natetendo83](#): > > > > > > > [@PixelSquish](#): > > > > > > > > > [@FourStringBass4](#): > > > > > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > Who knows, maybe it bothers you to see women in jobs that used to be almost exclusively male, whatever. > > > > > > > > > > What does that even mean? We’re talking about a WW2 game, not modern jobs. I clearly said I don’t mind having women in a game like Battlefront because it makes sense. Taking the stance that people that don’t like women in WW2 games are misogynist is intellectually lazy. > > > > > > > > You might have a point if this was marketed as a military sim historically accurate shooter, but it’s not. It’s an arcade style inspired wwii influenced setting shooter and if people don’t like the absolute miniscule impact folks being able to skin their soldiers makes on the game, there are some very more serious wwii sim shooters out there. Try one of those if you can’t get over it. > > > > > > I mean given the low sales it seems like a lot of people just didn’t bother with BFV. This isn’t about a military sim, it’s about consumer interest in a WWII game and what those expectations entail. If it wasn’t obvious that general interest in artistic liberties in a Battlefield WWII game was low then it should be now. > > > > I can’t believe DICE didn’t have some sort of idea what players wanted. Should of been obvious. Lesser known battles? Current crop of DICE exec’s have been making bad decisions since SWBF. It’s been almost 20 years since 1942, they could of remastered the original with new content/graphics and game modes. Throw in BF4’s server rental program and BF2’s Commander, they would of made tons of $. They took the lazy watered down path instead. > > > > Instead we got bland maps, 64 player meat grinder servers, and a big ole middle finger. > > > > Even CoD’s WWII was no where near as good as CoD WaW. > > > > We can only hope this is a serious wake-up call, and the next BF will be epic. Doubt it though. I need to find other games to play… > > The forum would be overloaded with theads complaining about re-used assets and how lazy DICE devs are for just remaking instead of creating something new. They’d be the minority. I dare them to make, Omaha, Stalingrad, and Berlin. People would play the crap out of those maps. Couldn’t be any worse than the mess they have now. We’ve steadily lost features since 42 and BF2. BF3/4 plateaued. ---
**Author:** ![PixelSquish](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/pixelsquish/32/107058_2.png) [@PixelSquish](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/PixelSquish)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 4:46am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-5s-ongoing-bad-sales-figures/106235/47 "2018-12-29T04:46:00Z")
> [@SlowOldWarrior](#): > > > [@trip1ex](#): > > > > > [@FourStringBass4](#): > > > > > > After the EA exec said not buy the game if you didn’t like their far left nonsense being added to it, I didn’t plan to buy it. My gf got it for me at half price. This is the first Battlefield on which I have played multiplayer. I enjoyed it the first week, but quickly lost interest. I put about 15 hours into it, and have now uninstalled and sold the game. > > > > > > Reasons: > > > > > > 1. I think it is important to resist tech companies pushing the Diversity religion (that is what it is) onto all of us. All of them are doing it. > > > 2. I only play games set in themes that I am interested in. Star wars and WW2 are my favorite types of games. I like immersion, and this game does not cut it. Instead of having all of the diversity in the galaxy in Battlefront 2, they tried in this game and it fails. > > > 3. The maps are boring. > > > 4. The modes are boring. I was very excited to try Conquest since all the Battlefront people claim it’s great. I’d take a CTF mode any day over conquest. All of the modes feel the same to me. > > > 5. I just don’t find this game fun. I am sure if I was better I’d like it more, but I don’t care enough to grind through the frustration. > > > 6. I got sick of it the main screen being a woman. Did they really need to rub it in our faces? > > > > > > If people like it, I hope they continue to enjoy it. I am glad I at least tried it out before deciding on if it is good or not. > > > > I agree about the maps and modes. And the game just not being as fun. > > My online buddy nailed it when he also said “It’s a great game, but it’s not fun” - direct quote. It’s cause you have to try harder ---
**Author:** ![olT3lo](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/olt3lo/32/104929_2.png) [@olT3lo](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/olT3lo)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 6:21am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-5s-ongoing-bad-sales-figures/106235/48 "2018-12-29T06:21:00Z")
> [@PixelSquish](#): > > Agreed once you play even if you were anti black folks and women in the game you will get over it quickly. The folks who have played this game and are still so anti-diversity are the biggest snowflakes of them all How many times does this guy get to spew political garbage and get away with it? And since he’s getting away with it, I guess I can too… Hardly anyone decided to take a pass on this game because they are ‘anti black and women’. Stop spreading that false narrative. If someone had a political reason to take a pass on this game, it had more to do with the idea that DICE was playing identity politics, openly admitted to playing said politics, and then said, don’t like it, don’t buy it. The idea that people don’t buy a AAA game because there are women in it is stupid. Every gamer plays games with women in them. Not every gamer plays a game where the developer pushes their politics and tells you their politics are more important than your money. ---
**Author:** ![PixelSquish](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/pixelsquish/32/107058_2.png) [@PixelSquish](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/PixelSquish)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 6:25am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-5s-ongoing-bad-sales-figures/106235/49 "2018-12-29T06:25:00Z")
> [@olT3lo](#): > > > [@PixelSquish](#): > > > > Agreed once you play even if you were anti black folks and women in the game you will get over it quickly. The folks who have played this game and are still so anti-diversity are the biggest snowflakes of them all > > How many times does this guy get to spew political garbage and get away with it? And since he’s getting away with it, I guess I can too… > > Hardly anyone decided to take a pass on this game because they are ‘anti black and women’. Stop spreading that false narrative. If someone had a political reason to take a pass on this game, it had more to do with the idea that DICE was playing identity politics, openly admitted to playing said politics, and then said, don’t like it, don’t buy it. > > The idea that people don’t buy a AAA game because there are women in it is stupid. Every gamer plays games with women in them. Not every gamer plays a game where the developer pushes their politics and tells you their politics are more important than your money. You can’t read well ---
**Author:** ![olT3lo](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/olt3lo/32/104929_2.png) [@olT3lo](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/olT3lo)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 6:27am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-5s-ongoing-bad-sales-figures/106235/50 "2018-12-29T06:27:00Z")
> [@PixelSquish](#): > > > [@olT3lo](#): > > > > > [@PixelSquish](#): > > > > > > Agreed once you play even if you were anti black folks and women in the game you will get over it quickly. The folks who have played this game and are still so anti-diversity are the biggest snowflakes of them all > > > > How many times does this guy get to spew political garbage and get away with it? And since he’s getting away with it, I guess I can too… > > > > Hardly anyone decided to take a pass on this game because they are ‘anti black and women’. Stop spreading that false narrative. If someone had a political reason to take a pass on this game, it had more to do with the idea that DICE was playing identity politics, openly admitted to playing said politics, and then said, don’t like it, don’t buy it. > > > > The idea that people don’t buy a AAA game because there are women in it is stupid. Every gamer plays games with women in them. Not every gamer plays a game where the developer pushes their politics and tells you their politics are more important than your money. > > You can’t read well I read better than you write that’s for damn sure. ---
**Author:** ![PixelSquish](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/pixelsquish/32/107058_2.png) [@PixelSquish](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/PixelSquish)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 6:38am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-5s-ongoing-bad-sales-figures/106235/51 "2018-12-29T06:38:00Z")
> [@olT3lo](#): > > > [@PixelSquish](#): > > > > > [@olT3lo](#): > > > > > > > [@PixelSquish](#): > > > > > > > > Agreed once you play even if you were anti black folks and women in the game you will get over it quickly. The folks who have played this game and are still so anti-diversity are the biggest snowflakes of them all > > > > > > How many times does this guy get to spew political garbage and get away with it? And since he’s getting away with it, I guess I can too… > > > > > > Hardly anyone decided to take a pass on this game because they are ‘anti black and women’. Stop spreading that false narrative. If someone had a political reason to take a pass on this game, it had more to do with the idea that DICE was playing identity politics, openly admitted to playing said politics, and then said, don’t like it, don’t buy it. > > > > > > The idea that people don’t buy a AAA game because there are women in it is stupid. Every gamer plays games with women in them. Not every gamer plays a game where the developer pushes their politics and tells you their politics are more important than your money. > > > > You can’t read well > > I read better than you write that’s for damn sure. I said IN THIS GAME. not every game. Reading. Comprehension 101. ---
**Author:** ![PixelSquish](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/pixelsquish/32/107058_2.png) [@PixelSquish](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/PixelSquish)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 7:25am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-5s-ongoing-bad-sales-figures/106235/52 "2018-12-29T07:25:00Z")
Now that we are done dispensing with some of the riff raff arguments here, let’s face the reality of the situation. DICE is a Scandinavian based organization. They are very progressive there. FOr example they do not believe that being sick should make you bankrupt or a second-class citizen. They may not quite have as much of a grasp on the regressiveness that is a big part of other cultures, or maybe they do and they are just strong enough to stand against it. But, either way, that’s why they said you don’t like the politics, don’t play. It’s called taking a stand. Now some of those here may not see it that way but history is littered with those who took a stand and believed in it and were judged victorious. Diversity will prevail. Triibalism caused these wars that we are fake playing now online and arguing about. Acknowledging the reality of that we are all here on the same planet, well, that’s progress. And if it takes a little bitty video game to help that move forward so be it. Let the regressives stand out in the cold. ---
**Author:** ![parkingbrake](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/ee7513/32.png) [@parkingbrake](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/parkingbrake)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 7:28am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-5s-ongoing-bad-sales-figures/106235/53 "2018-12-29T07:28:00Z")
> [@FourStringBass4](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Who knows, maybe it bothers you to see women in jobs that used to be almost exclusively male, whatever. > > What does that even mean? We’re talking about a WW2 game, not modern jobs. I clearly said I don’t mind having women in a game like Battlefront because it makes sense. Taking the stance that people that don’t like women in WW2 games are misogynist is intellectually lazy. You wrote that you got sick of seeing a woman on the game’s main screen, remember? You don’t like having the presence of female characters rubbed in your face, remember? But now you insist there isn’t a lick of misogyny in your position, LOL. I think the female and minority characters are historically inaccurate and downright silly, but like millions of others I forgot about them almost instantly, they just have no negative impact on the game that anyone who doesn’t have a chip on his shoulder would notice. But you can’t get past them, but it isn’t you, it’s DICE, or the industry, or something, it’s just not you. > [@](#): > > The Diversity stuff is much bigger than Battlefield 5. It really is like a religion with its own original sin: Being born a white male. I gave the game a chance, and I found it to not be very fun. If it was fun, I’d still be playing. Riiiight, the gaming industry considers white males–perhaps historically their biggest market–to be undesirable creatures, they’re trying to drive you away and replace you with, well, you haven’t worked out that part of the conspiracy yet. Better check those saddles, your intonation is way off and apparently you can’t hear it. ---
**Author:** ![AssaultPlazma](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/assaultplazma/32/106472_2.png) [@AssaultPlazma](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/AssaultPlazma)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 7:37am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-5s-ongoing-bad-sales-figures/106235/54 "2018-12-29T07:37:00Z")
> [@StingX71](#): > > > [@munkt0r](#): > > > > > [@StingX71](#): > > > > > > > [@Natetendo83](#): > > > > > > > > > [@PixelSquish](#): > > > > > > > > > > > [@FourStringBass4](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who knows, maybe it bothers you to see women in jobs that used to be almost exclusively male, whatever. > > > > > > > > > > > > What does that even mean? We’re talking about a WW2 game, not modern jobs. I clearly said I don’t mind having women in a game like Battlefront because it makes sense. Taking the stance that people that don’t like women in WW2 games are misogynist is intellectually lazy. > > > > > > > > > > You might have a point if this was marketed as a military sim historically accurate shooter, but it’s not. It’s an arcade style inspired wwii influenced setting shooter and if people don’t like the absolute miniscule impact folks being able to skin their soldiers makes on the game, there are some very more serious wwii sim shooters out there. Try one of those if you can’t get over it. > > > > > > > > I mean given the low sales it seems like a lot of people just didn’t bother with BFV. This isn’t about a military sim, it’s about consumer interest in a WWII game and what those expectations entail. If it wasn’t obvious that general interest in artistic liberties in a Battlefield WWII game was low then it should be now. > > > > > > I can’t believe DICE didn’t have some sort of idea what players wanted. Should of been obvious. Lesser known battles? Current crop of DICE exec’s have been making bad decisions since SWBF. It’s been almost 20 years since 1942, they could of remastered the original with new content/graphics and game modes. Throw in BF4’s server rental program and BF2’s Commander, they would of made tons of $. They took the lazy watered down path instead. > > > > > > Instead we got bland maps, 64 player meat grinder servers, and a big ole middle finger. > > > > > > Even CoD’s WWII was no where near as good as CoD WaW. > > > > > > We can only hope this is a serious wake-up call, and the next BF will be epic. Doubt it though. I need to find other games to play… > > > > The forum would be overloaded with theads complaining about re-used assets and how lazy DICE devs are for just remaking instead of creating something new. > > They’d be the minority. I dare them to make, Omaha, Stalingrad, and Berlin. People would play the crap out of those maps. Couldn’t be any worse than the mess they have now. We’ve steadily lost features since 42 and BF2. BF3/4 plateaued. You obviously don’t remember BFH. People bitched endless about how they reused assets and how the game “felt like a mod” blah blah. For some reason reusing assets even if they’re well made and perfectly functional is some sort of taboo in the eyes of gamers. Heck a ton of people called BF4, BF3.5 for a while after it was initially released. ---
**Author:** ![olT3lo](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/olt3lo/32/104929_2.png) [@olT3lo](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/olT3lo)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 8:57am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-5s-ongoing-bad-sales-figures/106235/55 "2018-12-29T08:57:00Z")
> [@PixelSquish](#): > > > [@olT3lo](#): > > > > > [@PixelSquish](#): > > > > > > > [@olT3lo](#): > > > > > > > > > [@PixelSquish](#): > > > > > > > > > > Agreed once you play even if you were anti black folks and women in the game you will get over it quickly. The folks who have played this game and are still so anti-diversity are the biggest snowflakes of them all > > > > > > > > How many times does this guy get to spew political garbage and get away with it? And since he’s getting away with it, I guess I can too… > > > > > > > > Hardly anyone decided to take a pass on this game because they are ‘anti black and women’. Stop spreading that false narrative. If someone had a political reason to take a pass on this game, it had more to do with the idea that DICE was playing identity politics, openly admitted to playing said politics, and then said, don’t like it, don’t buy it. > > > > > > > > The idea that people don’t buy a AAA game because there are women in it is stupid. Every gamer plays games with women in them. Not every gamer plays a game where the developer pushes their politics and tells you their politics are more important than your money. > > > > > > You can’t read well > > > > I read better than you write that’s for damn sure. > > I said IN THIS GAME. not every game. Reading. Comprehension 101. Hilarious that you think the fact that you said, IN THIS GAME, has anything to do at all with my comment, all while telling me my reading comprehension is bad. Dude, I can’t begin to tell you how absolutely entertaining this is. I assume you jump to the old ‘reading comprehension’ slam because you’ve faced that exact critique numerous times. Anywho… People who spread false narratives do so because they have no real message that is worth standing behind. This is NOT a critique of anyone in this forum, just a general assessment. ---
**Author:** ![G-Gnu](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/g-gnu/32/102029_2.png) [@G-Gnu](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/G-Gnu)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 9:24am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-5s-ongoing-bad-sales-figures/106235/56 "2018-12-29T09:24:00Z")
> [@PixelSquish](#): > > Now that we are done dispensing with some of the riff raff arguments here, let’s face the reality of the situation. DICE is a Scandinavian based organization. They are very progressive there. FOr example they do not believe that being sick should make you bankrupt or a second-class citizen. They may not quite have as much of a grasp on the regressiveness that is a big part of other cultures, or maybe they do and they are just strong enough to stand against it. But, either way, that’s why they said you don’t like the politics, don’t play. It’s called taking a stand. Now some of those here may not see it that way but history is littered with those who took a stand and believed in it and were judged victorious. Diversity will prevail. Triibalism caused these wars that we are fake playing now online and arguing about. Acknowledging the reality of that we are all here on the same planet, well, that’s progress. And if it takes a little bitty video game to help that move forward so be it. Let the regressives stand out in the cold. Hmm i still wonder when the so called “progressiveness” folds over to be stupidness in most peoples mind, we had better working systems here in Sweden before, Nowadays every one are fighting for the top spot on the “look at me i am good and ultra PC pat me on the back” list and stuff is falling apart. So pls do not look at Sweden as a good example of progressiveness , you need to have a level head and logical thinking at the same time for it to work, somehow a lot of ppl has dropped that ball here. I am pretty sure DICE is trying for a spot on that list. ---
**Author:** ![Khrimm](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/d78d45/32.png) [@Khrimm](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Khrimm)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 9:31am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-5s-ongoing-bad-sales-figures/106235/57 "2018-12-29T09:31:00Z")
> [@parkingbrake](#): > > All of the folks I play with are long-time BF players, some going back to the very beginning of the series. They’re all having fun, a couple who at first said they wouldn’t buy the game have now bought it because they can hear how much fun the rest of us are having. We’re all annoyed by some bugs and poor design decisions and are looking forward to those being fixed, but none sees anything game-breaking (in comparison to the launch of BF4 this is a walk in the park). Some of them were cranky about this diversity thing that bothers you so much, but none of them even notice it anymore, it simply isn’t an issue because it has no meaningful impact on the game. Many of these guys can safely be described as being from the conservative end of the political spectrum, so if this diversity thing isn’t bothering them, maybe it’s you, maybe you’re over-sensitive to it. Who knows, maybe it bothers you to see women in jobs that used to be almost exclusively male, whatever. So however silly this experiment by DICE was, it is not nearly as big a deal as so many people have made it out to be, and it sure isn’t keeping me from having a good time in BFV and I’m a grumpy old fart. Nobody bought it post-launch because they read it is fun. Everyone bought it because it was cheap as . Basically f2p. I paid 21 Euros on the second weekend after launch. At least good to know, that all of you, who don’t care about forced radical politics, paid a load of money for nothing. ---
**Author:** ![naitch44](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/naitch44/32/102913_2.png) [@naitch44](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/naitch44)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 9:34am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-5s-ongoing-bad-sales-figures/106235/58 "2018-12-29T09:34:00Z")
> [@ackers75](#): > > The game simply doesn’t deserve to have good sales figures! > Put the work in doing a good job and releasing your game in a good state and reap the benefits. > They thought they could abuse the loyalty of the fans and it backfired Nailed it. ---
**Author:** ![Jook1](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/ad7895/32.png) [@Jook1](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Jook1)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 10:50am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-5s-ongoing-bad-sales-figures/106235/59 "2018-12-29T10:50:00Z")
> [@PixelSquish](#): > > Now that we are done dispensing with some of the riff raff arguments here, let’s face the reality of the situation. DICE is a Scandinavian based organization. They are very progressive there. FOr example they do not believe that being sick should make you bankrupt or a second-class citizen. They may not quite have as much of a grasp on the regressiveness that is a big part of other cultures, or maybe they do and they are just strong enough to stand against it. But, either way, that’s why they said you don’t like the politics, don’t play. It’s called taking a stand. Now some of those here may not see it that way but history is littered with those who took a stand and believed in it and were judged victorious. Diversity will prevail. Triibalism caused these wars that we are fake playing now online and arguing about. Acknowledging the reality of that we are all here on the same planet, well, that’s progress. And if it takes a little bitty video game to help that move forward so be it. Let the regressives stand out in the cold. I think we have found a NPC here folks! Think like i think or get rounded up in cattle cars. How progressive! And people wonder how wars get started… ---
**Author:** ![boutneus](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/a9a28c/32.png) [@boutneus](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/boutneus)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 3:49pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-5s-ongoing-bad-sales-figures/106235/60 "2018-12-29T15:49:00Z")
> [@Jook1](#): > > > [@PixelSquish](#): > > > > Now that we are done dispensing with some of the riff raff arguments here, let’s face the reality of the situation. DICE is a Scandinavian based organization. They are very progressive there. FOr example they do not believe that being sick should make you bankrupt or a second-class citizen. They may not quite have as much of a grasp on the regressiveness that is a big part of other cultures, or maybe they do and they are just strong enough to stand against it. But, either way, that’s why they said you don’t like the politics, don’t play. It’s called taking a stand. Now some of those here may not see it that way but history is littered with those who took a stand and believed in it and were judged victorious. Diversity will prevail. Triibalism caused these wars that we are fake playing now online and arguing about. Acknowledging the reality of that we are all here on the same planet, well, that’s progress. And if it takes a little bitty video game to help that move forward so be it. Let the regressives stand out in the cold. > > I think we have found a NPC here folks! Think like i think or get rounded up in cattle cars. How progressive! And people wonder how wars get started… Drama queen 😕 [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-5s-ongoing-bad-sales-figures/106235.md?page=2) [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlefield-5s-ongoing-bad-sales-figures/106235.md?page=4)