Please provide a link to EA’s admission of refunds and sales numbers, I believe there are several that would like to read that.
As far as I know, game difficulty is not an accepted reason for return either, which I would also like to know where you sourced this information from “which EA also cited”
FourStringBass4:Who knows, maybe it bothers you to see women in jobs that used to be almost exclusively male, whatever.
What does that even mean? We’re talking about a WW2 game, not modern jobs. I clearly said I don’t mind having women in a game like Battlefront because it makes sense. Taking the stance that people that don’t like women in WW2 games are misogynist is intellectually lazy.
You might have a point if this was marketed as a military sim historically accurate shooter, but it’s not. It’s an arcade style inspired wwii influenced setting shooter and if people don’t like the absolute miniscule impact folks being able to skin their soldiers makes on the game, there are some very more serious wwii sim shooters out there. Try one of those if you can’t get over it.
I mean given the low sales it seems like a lot of people just didn’t bother with BFV. This isn’t about a military sim, it’s about consumer interest in a WWII game and what those expectations entail. If it wasn’t obvious that general interest in artistic liberties in a Battlefield WWII game was low then it should be now.
PixelSquish:
FourStringBass4:Who knows, maybe it bothers you to see women in jobs that used to be almost exclusively male, whatever.
What does that even mean? We’re talking about a WW2 game, not modern jobs. I clearly said I don’t mind having women in a game like Battlefront because it makes sense. Taking the stance that people that don’t like women in WW2 games are misogynist is intellectually lazy.
You might have a point if this was marketed as a military sim historically accurate shooter, but it’s not. It’s an arcade style inspired wwii influenced setting shooter and if people don’t like the absolute miniscule impact folks being able to skin their soldiers makes on the game, there are some very more serious wwii sim shooters out there. Try one of those if you can’t get over it.
I mean given the low sales it seems like a lot of people just didn’t bother with BFV. This isn’t about a military sim, it’s about consumer interest in a WWII game and what those expectations entail. If it wasn’t obvious that general interest in artistic liberties in a Battlefield WWII game was low then it should be now.
I can’t believe DICE didn’t have some sort of idea what players wanted. Should of been obvious. Lesser known battles? Current crop of DICE exec’s have been making bad decisions since SWBF. It’s been almost 20 years since 1942, they could of remastered the original with new content/graphics and game modes. Throw in BF4’s server rental program and BF2’s Commander, they would of made tons of $. They took the lazy watered down path instead.
Instead we got bland maps, 64 player meat grinder servers, and a big ole middle finger.
Even CoD’s WWII was no where near as good as CoD WaW.
We can only hope this is a serious wake-up call, and the next BF will be epic. Doubt it though. I need to find other games to play…
Natetendo83:
PixelSquish:
FourStringBass4:Who knows, maybe it bothers you to see women in jobs that used to be almost exclusively male, whatever.
What does that even mean? We’re talking about a WW2 game, not modern jobs. I clearly said I don’t mind having women in a game like Battlefront because it makes sense. Taking the stance that people that don’t like women in WW2 games are misogynist is intellectually lazy.
You might have a point if this was marketed as a military sim historically accurate shooter, but it’s not. It’s an arcade style inspired wwii influenced setting shooter and if people don’t like the absolute miniscule impact folks being able to skin their soldiers makes on the game, there are some very more serious wwii sim shooters out there. Try one of those if you can’t get over it.
I mean given the low sales it seems like a lot of people just didn’t bother with BFV. This isn’t about a military sim, it’s about consumer interest in a WWII game and what those expectations entail. If it wasn’t obvious that general interest in artistic liberties in a Battlefield WWII game was low then it should be now.
I can’t believe DICE didn’t have some sort of idea what players wanted. Should of been obvious. Lesser known battles? Current crop of DICE exec’s have been making bad decisions since SWBF. It’s been almost 20 years since 1942, they could of remastered the original with new content/graphics and game modes. Throw in BF4’s server rental program and BF2’s Commander, they would of made tons of $. They took the lazy watered down path instead.
Instead we got bland maps, 64 player meat grinder servers, and a big ole middle finger.
Even CoD’s WWII was no where near as good as CoD WaW.
We can only hope this is a serious wake-up call, and the next BF will be epic. Doubt it though. I need to find other games to play…
The forum would be overloaded with theads complaining about re-used assets and how lazy DICE devs are for just remaking instead of creating something new.
FourStringBass4:After the EA exec said not buy the game if you didn’t like their far left nonsense being added to it, I didn’t plan to buy it. My gf got it for me at half price. This is the first Battlefield on which I have played multiplayer. I enjoyed it the first week, but quickly lost interest. I put about 15 hours into it, and have now uninstalled and sold the game.
Reasons:
- I think it is important to resist tech companies pushing the Diversity religion (that is what it is) onto all of us. All of them are doing it.
- I only play games set in themes that I am interested in. Star wars and WW2 are my favorite types of games. I like immersion, and this game does not cut it. Instead of having all of the diversity in the galaxy in Battlefront 2, they tried in this game and it fails.
- The maps are boring.
- The modes are boring. I was very excited to try Conquest since all the Battlefront people claim it’s great. I’d take a CTF mode any day over conquest. All of the modes feel the same to me.
- I just don’t find this game fun. I am sure if I was better I’d like it more, but I don’t care enough to grind through the frustration.
- I got sick of it the main screen being a woman. Did they really need to rub it in our faces?
If people like it, I hope they continue to enjoy it. I am glad I at least tried it out before deciding on if it is good or not.
I agree about the maps and modes. And the game just not being as fun.
My online buddy nailed it when he also said “It’s a great game, but it’s not fun” - direct quote.
StingX71:
Natetendo83:
PixelSquish:
FourStringBass4:Who knows, maybe it bothers you to see women in jobs that used to be almost exclusively male, whatever.
What does that even mean? We’re talking about a WW2 game, not modern jobs. I clearly said I don’t mind having women in a game like Battlefront because it makes sense. Taking the stance that people that don’t like women in WW2 games are misogynist is intellectually lazy.
You might have a point if this was marketed as a military sim historically accurate shooter, but it’s not. It’s an arcade style inspired wwii influenced setting shooter and if people don’t like the absolute miniscule impact folks being able to skin their soldiers makes on the game, there are some very more serious wwii sim shooters out there. Try one of those if you can’t get over it.
I mean given the low sales it seems like a lot of people just didn’t bother with BFV. This isn’t about a military sim, it’s about consumer interest in a WWII game and what those expectations entail. If it wasn’t obvious that general interest in artistic liberties in a Battlefield WWII game was low then it should be now.
I can’t believe DICE didn’t have some sort of idea what players wanted. Should of been obvious. Lesser known battles? Current crop of DICE exec’s have been making bad decisions since SWBF. It’s been almost 20 years since 1942, they could of remastered the original with new content/graphics and game modes. Throw in BF4’s server rental program and BF2’s Commander, they would of made tons of $. They took the lazy watered down path instead.
Instead we got bland maps, 64 player meat grinder servers, and a big ole middle finger.
Even CoD’s WWII was no where near as good as CoD WaW.
We can only hope this is a serious wake-up call, and the next BF will be epic. Doubt it though. I need to find other games to play…
The forum would be overloaded with theads complaining about re-used assets and how lazy DICE devs are for just remaking instead of creating something new.
They’d be the minority. I dare them to make, Omaha, Stalingrad, and Berlin. People would play the crap out of those maps. Couldn’t be any worse than the mess they have now. We’ve steadily lost features since 42 and BF2. BF3/4 plateaued.
trip1ex:
FourStringBass4:After the EA exec said not buy the game if you didn’t like their far left nonsense being added to it, I didn’t plan to buy it. My gf got it for me at half price. This is the first Battlefield on which I have played multiplayer. I enjoyed it the first week, but quickly lost interest. I put about 15 hours into it, and have now uninstalled and sold the game.
Reasons:
- I think it is important to resist tech companies pushing the Diversity religion (that is what it is) onto all of us. All of them are doing it.
- I only play games set in themes that I am interested in. Star wars and WW2 are my favorite types of games. I like immersion, and this game does not cut it. Instead of having all of the diversity in the galaxy in Battlefront 2, they tried in this game and it fails.
- The maps are boring.
- The modes are boring. I was very excited to try Conquest since all the Battlefront people claim it’s great. I’d take a CTF mode any day over conquest. All of the modes feel the same to me.
- I just don’t find this game fun. I am sure if I was better I’d like it more, but I don’t care enough to grind through the frustration.
- I got sick of it the main screen being a woman. Did they really need to rub it in our faces?
If people like it, I hope they continue to enjoy it. I am glad I at least tried it out before deciding on if it is good or not.
I agree about the maps and modes. And the game just not being as fun.
My online buddy nailed it when he also said “It’s a great game, but it’s not fun” - direct quote.
It’s cause you have to try harder
Agreed once you play even if you were anti black folks and women in the game you will get over it quickly. The folks who have played this game and are still so anti-diversity are the biggest snowflakes of them all
How many times does this guy get to spew political garbage and get away with it? And since he’s getting away with it, I guess I can too…
Hardly anyone decided to take a pass on this game because they are ‘anti black and women’. Stop spreading that false narrative. If someone had a political reason to take a pass on this game, it had more to do with the idea that DICE was playing identity politics, openly admitted to playing said politics, and then said, don’t like it, don’t buy it.
The idea that people don’t buy a AAA game because there are women in it is stupid. Every gamer plays games with women in them. Not every gamer plays a game where the developer pushes their politics and tells you their politics are more important than your money.
PixelSquish:
Agreed once you play even if you were anti black folks and women in the game you will get over it quickly. The folks who have played this game and are still so anti-diversity are the biggest snowflakes of them all
How many times does this guy get to spew political garbage and get away with it? And since he’s getting away with it, I guess I can too…
Hardly anyone decided to take a pass on this game because they are ‘anti black and women’. Stop spreading that false narrative. If someone had a political reason to take a pass on this game, it had more to do with the idea that DICE was playing identity politics, openly admitted to playing said politics, and then said, don’t like it, don’t buy it.
The idea that people don’t buy a AAA game because there are women in it is stupid. Every gamer plays games with women in them. Not every gamer plays a game where the developer pushes their politics and tells you their politics are more important than your money.
You can’t read well
olT3lo:
PixelSquish:
Agreed once you play even if you were anti black folks and women in the game you will get over it quickly. The folks who have played this game and are still so anti-diversity are the biggest snowflakes of them all
How many times does this guy get to spew political garbage and get away with it? And since he’s getting away with it, I guess I can too…
Hardly anyone decided to take a pass on this game because they are ‘anti black and women’. Stop spreading that false narrative. If someone had a political reason to take a pass on this game, it had more to do with the idea that DICE was playing identity politics, openly admitted to playing said politics, and then said, don’t like it, don’t buy it.
The idea that people don’t buy a AAA game because there are women in it is stupid. Every gamer plays games with women in them. Not every gamer plays a game where the developer pushes their politics and tells you their politics are more important than your money.
You can’t read well
I read better than you write that’s for damn sure.
PixelSquish:
olT3lo:
PixelSquish:
Agreed once you play even if you were anti black folks and women in the game you will get over it quickly. The folks who have played this game and are still so anti-diversity are the biggest snowflakes of them all
How many times does this guy get to spew political garbage and get away with it? And since he’s getting away with it, I guess I can too…
Hardly anyone decided to take a pass on this game because they are ‘anti black and women’. Stop spreading that false narrative. If someone had a political reason to take a pass on this game, it had more to do with the idea that DICE was playing identity politics, openly admitted to playing said politics, and then said, don’t like it, don’t buy it.
The idea that people don’t buy a AAA game because there are women in it is stupid. Every gamer plays games with women in them. Not every gamer plays a game where the developer pushes their politics and tells you their politics are more important than your money.
You can’t read well
I read better than you write that’s for damn sure.
I said IN THIS GAME. not every game. Reading. Comprehension 101.
Now that we are done dispensing with some of the riff raff arguments here, let’s face the reality of the situation. DICE is a Scandinavian based organization. They are very progressive there. FOr example they do not believe that being sick should make you bankrupt or a second-class citizen. They may not quite have as much of a grasp on the regressiveness that is a big part of other cultures, or maybe they do and they are just strong enough to stand against it. But, either way, that’s why they said you don’t like the politics, don’t play. It’s called taking a stand. Now some of those here may not see it that way but history is littered with those who took a stand and believed in it and were judged victorious. Diversity will prevail. Triibalism caused these wars that we are fake playing now online and arguing about. Acknowledging the reality of that we are all here on the same planet, well, that’s progress. And if it takes a little bitty video game to help that move forward so be it. Let the regressives stand out in the cold.
Who knows, maybe it bothers you to see women in jobs that used to be almost exclusively male, whatever.
What does that even mean? We’re talking about a WW2 game, not modern jobs. I clearly said I don’t mind having women in a game like Battlefront because it makes sense. Taking the stance that people that don’t like women in WW2 games are misogynist is intellectually lazy.
You wrote that you got sick of seeing a woman on the game’s main screen, remember? You don’t like having the presence of female characters rubbed in your face, remember? But now you insist there isn’t a lick of misogyny in your position, LOL. I think the female and minority characters are historically inaccurate and downright silly, but like millions of others I forgot about them almost instantly, they just have no negative impact on the game that anyone who doesn’t have a chip on his shoulder would notice. But you can’t get past them, but it isn’t you, it’s DICE, or the industry, or something, it’s just not you.
The Diversity stuff is much bigger than Battlefield 5. It really is like a religion with its own original sin: Being born a white male. I gave the game a chance, and I found it to not be very fun. If it was fun, I’d still be playing.
Riiiight, the gaming industry considers white males–perhaps historically their biggest market–to be undesirable creatures, they’re trying to drive you away and replace you with, well, you haven’t worked out that part of the conspiracy yet.
Better check those saddles, your intonation is way off and apparently you can’t hear it.
munkt0r:
StingX71:
Natetendo83:
PixelSquish:
FourStringBass4:Who knows, maybe it bothers you to see women in jobs that used to be almost exclusively male, whatever.
What does that even mean? We’re talking about a WW2 game, not modern jobs. I clearly said I don’t mind having women in a game like Battlefront because it makes sense. Taking the stance that people that don’t like women in WW2 games are misogynist is intellectually lazy.
You might have a point if this was marketed as a military sim historically accurate shooter, but it’s not. It’s an arcade style inspired wwii influenced setting shooter and if people don’t like the absolute miniscule impact folks being able to skin their soldiers makes on the game, there are some very more serious wwii sim shooters out there. Try one of those if you can’t get over it.
I mean given the low sales it seems like a lot of people just didn’t bother with BFV. This isn’t about a military sim, it’s about consumer interest in a WWII game and what those expectations entail. If it wasn’t obvious that general interest in artistic liberties in a Battlefield WWII game was low then it should be now.
I can’t believe DICE didn’t have some sort of idea what players wanted. Should of been obvious. Lesser known battles? Current crop of DICE exec’s have been making bad decisions since SWBF. It’s been almost 20 years since 1942, they could of remastered the original with new content/graphics and game modes. Throw in BF4’s server rental program and BF2’s Commander, they would of made tons of $. They took the lazy watered down path instead.
Instead we got bland maps, 64 player meat grinder servers, and a big ole middle finger.
Even CoD’s WWII was no where near as good as CoD WaW.
We can only hope this is a serious wake-up call, and the next BF will be epic. Doubt it though. I need to find other games to play…
The forum would be overloaded with theads complaining about re-used assets and how lazy DICE devs are for just remaking instead of creating something new.
They’d be the minority. I dare them to make, Omaha, Stalingrad, and Berlin. People would play the crap out of those maps. Couldn’t be any worse than the mess they have now. We’ve steadily lost features since 42 and BF2. BF3/4 plateaued.
You obviously don’t remember BFH. People bitched endless about how they reused assets and how the game “felt like a mod” blah blah. For some reason reusing assets even if they’re well made and perfectly functional is some sort of taboo in the eyes of gamers. Heck a ton of people called BF4, BF3.5 for a while after it was initially released.
olT3lo:
PixelSquish:
olT3lo:
PixelSquish:
Agreed once you play even if you were anti black folks and women in the game you will get over it quickly. The folks who have played this game and are still so anti-diversity are the biggest snowflakes of them all
How many times does this guy get to spew political garbage and get away with it? And since he’s getting away with it, I guess I can too…
Hardly anyone decided to take a pass on this game because they are ‘anti black and women’. Stop spreading that false narrative. If someone had a political reason to take a pass on this game, it had more to do with the idea that DICE was playing identity politics, openly admitted to playing said politics, and then said, don’t like it, don’t buy it.
The idea that people don’t buy a AAA game because there are women in it is stupid. Every gamer plays games with women in them. Not every gamer plays a game where the developer pushes their politics and tells you their politics are more important than your money.
You can’t read well
I read better than you write that’s for damn sure.
I said IN THIS GAME. not every game. Reading. Comprehension 101.
Hilarious that you think the fact that you said, IN THIS GAME, has anything to do at all with my comment, all while telling me my reading comprehension is bad. Dude, I can’t begin to tell you how absolutely entertaining this is. I assume you jump to the old ‘reading comprehension’ slam because you’ve faced that exact critique numerous times.
Anywho…
People who spread false narratives do so because they have no real message that is worth standing behind. This is NOT a critique of anyone in this forum, just a general assessment.
Now that we are done dispensing with some of the riff raff arguments here, let’s face the reality of the situation. DICE is a Scandinavian based organization. They are very progressive there. FOr example they do not believe that being sick should make you bankrupt or a second-class citizen. They may not quite have as much of a grasp on the regressiveness that is a big part of other cultures, or maybe they do and they are just strong enough to stand against it. But, either way, that’s why they said you don’t like the politics, don’t play. It’s called taking a stand. Now some of those here may not see it that way but history is littered with those who took a stand and believed in it and were judged victorious. Diversity will prevail. Triibalism caused these wars that we are fake playing now online and arguing about. Acknowledging the reality of that we are all here on the same planet, well, that’s progress. And if it takes a little bitty video game to help that move forward so be it. Let the regressives stand out in the cold.
Hmm i still wonder when the so called “progressiveness” folds over to be stupidness in most peoples mind, we had better working systems here in Sweden before, Nowadays every one are fighting for the top spot on the “look at me i am good and ultra PC pat me on the back” list and stuff is falling apart. So pls do not look at Sweden as a good example of progressiveness , you need to have a level head and logical thinking at the same time for it to work, somehow a lot of ppl has dropped that ball here. I am pretty sure DICE is trying for a spot on that list.
All of the folks I play with are long-time BF players, some going back to the very beginning of the series. They’re all having fun, a couple who at first said they wouldn’t buy the game have now bought it because they can hear how much fun the rest of us are having. We’re all annoyed by some bugs and poor design decisions and are looking forward to those being fixed, but none sees anything game-breaking (in comparison to the launch of BF4 this is a walk in the park). Some of them were cranky about this diversity thing that bothers you so much, but none of them even notice it anymore, it simply isn’t an issue because it has no meaningful impact on the game. Many of these guys can safely be described as being from the conservative end of the political spectrum, so if this diversity thing isn’t bothering them, maybe it’s you, maybe you’re over-sensitive to it. Who knows, maybe it bothers you to see women in jobs that used to be almost exclusively male, whatever. So however silly this experiment by DICE was, it is not nearly as big a deal as so many people have made it out to be, and it sure isn’t keeping me from having a good time in BFV and I’m a grumpy old fart.
Nobody bought it post-launch because they read it is fun. Everyone bought it because it was cheap as . Basically f2p. I paid 21 Euros on the second weekend after launch.
At least good to know, that all of you, who don’t care about forced radical politics, paid a load of money for nothing.
The game simply doesn’t deserve to have good sales figures!
Put the work in doing a good job and releasing your game in a good state and reap the benefits.
They thought they could abuse the loyalty of the fans and it backfired
Nailed it.
Now that we are done dispensing with some of the riff raff arguments here, let’s face the reality of the situation. DICE is a Scandinavian based organization. They are very progressive there. FOr example they do not believe that being sick should make you bankrupt or a second-class citizen. They may not quite have as much of a grasp on the regressiveness that is a big part of other cultures, or maybe they do and they are just strong enough to stand against it. But, either way, that’s why they said you don’t like the politics, don’t play. It’s called taking a stand. Now some of those here may not see it that way but history is littered with those who took a stand and believed in it and were judged victorious. Diversity will prevail. Triibalism caused these wars that we are fake playing now online and arguing about. Acknowledging the reality of that we are all here on the same planet, well, that’s progress. And if it takes a little bitty video game to help that move forward so be it. Let the regressives stand out in the cold.
I think we have found a NPC here folks! Think like i think or get rounded up in cattle cars. How progressive! And people wonder how wars get started…
PixelSquish:
Now that we are done dispensing with some of the riff raff arguments here, let’s face the reality of the situation. DICE is a Scandinavian based organization. They are very progressive there. FOr example they do not believe that being sick should make you bankrupt or a second-class citizen. They may not quite have as much of a grasp on the regressiveness that is a big part of other cultures, or maybe they do and they are just strong enough to stand against it. But, either way, that’s why they said you don’t like the politics, don’t play. It’s called taking a stand. Now some of those here may not see it that way but history is littered with those who took a stand and believed in it and were judged victorious. Diversity will prevail. Triibalism caused these wars that we are fake playing now online and arguing about. Acknowledging the reality of that we are all here on the same planet, well, that’s progress. And if it takes a little bitty video game to help that move forward so be it. Let the regressives stand out in the cold.
I think we have found a NPC here folks! Think like i think or get rounded up in cattle cars. How progressive! And people wonder how wars get started…
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