# BF1 will be casual or won't be **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 16, 2016, 7:34am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf1-will-be-casual-or-wont-be/101342 "2016-05-16T07:34:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![visegrip117](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/visegrip117/32/104005_2.png) [@visegrip117](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/visegrip117)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 3:30pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf1-will-be-casual-or-wont-be/101342/101 "2016-05-18T15:30:00Z")
> [@swfc4eva1](#): > > I’m pretty sure ppls main focus is to kill no matter what game mode! Not really, people also focus on winning and objectives, even if that means a death so the rest of the team can win. Ever ran into a warzone that was certain death to try to disarm an mcom to prevent from losing? ---
**Author:** ![JumpyZombie](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/5f8ce5/32.png) [@JumpyZombie](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JumpyZombie)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 3:40pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf1-will-be-casual-or-wont-be/101342/102 "2016-05-18T15:40:00Z")
> [@visegrip117](#): > > > [@swfc4eva1](#): > > > > I’m pretty sure ppls main focus is to kill no matter what game mode! > > Not really, people also focus on winning and objectives, even if that means a death so the rest of the team can win. > > Ever ran into a warzone that was certain death to try to disarm an mcom to prevent from losing? You got it. It’s too bad so many guys don’t get it. Why is that? You sacrifice yourself for the team win. But that is the fun of the game, helping your team win, throwing yourself into it and being part of a team. Sitting safety away from the action and sniping from hill or tower and not caring about team win is boring for me. But not for many of these guys playing bf4. What’s up with that? All this k/d stat deathmatch trash just ruined the team-based fun of battlefield4. I hope BF1 matures and gets the fun back into the game, and makes it more team-based. And develops team spirit. ---
**Author:** ![swfc4eva1](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/swfc4eva1/32/103667_2.png) [@swfc4eva1](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/swfc4eva1)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 3:46pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf1-will-be-casual-or-wont-be/101342/103 "2016-05-18T15:46:00Z")
> [@visegrip117](#): > > > [@swfc4eva1](#): > > > > I’m pretty sure ppls main focus is to kill no matter what game mode! > > Not really, people also focus on winning and objectives, even if that means a death so the rest of the team can win. > > Ever ran into a warzone that was certain death to try to disarm an mcom to prevent from losing? Nah I don’t play rush it’s too campy n boring! ---
**Author:** ![visegrip117](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/visegrip117/32/104005_2.png) [@visegrip117](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/visegrip117)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 3:53pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf1-will-be-casual-or-wont-be/101342/104 "2016-05-18T15:53:00Z")
Fair enough, but if you’re not playing all the objective based game modes then how can speak for all people when you say > [@](#): > > ppls main focus is to kill no matter what game mode When you don’t play they game mode that you’re speaking for? ---
**Author:** ![JumpyZombie](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/5f8ce5/32.png) [@JumpyZombie](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JumpyZombie)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 3:54pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf1-will-be-casual-or-wont-be/101342/105 "2016-05-18T15:54:00Z")
I loved the rush of Rush and Obliteration, the intensity is very thrilling! I was playing obliteration and loving it until I found out Dice gave all players a loss if it ended in a Draw. No sudden death or anything. 1/2 the games ended in draw because nobody set off the bomb. But if they gave 5,000 points for planting the bomb, I’m sure we would fight like crazy to be the Guy to do it. And if no game ended in Draw, I would be still playing it and loving it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![NatsuTerran](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/898d66/32.png) [@NatsuTerran](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/NatsuTerran)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 4:00pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf1-will-be-casual-or-wont-be/101342/106 "2016-05-18T16:00:00Z")
> [@Sir-xer21](#): > > > [@visegrip117](#): > > > > > [@Sir-xer21](#): > > > > > > > [@DingoKillr](#): > > > > > > > > Don’t know about you guys but to me Casual does not mean low skill. BF has always been causal you spend as much time as you like, you don’t have to come back every day to prevent punishment for not playing. > > > > > > as far as im concerned, anything you dont play in a sanctioned environment (like ESL or CEVO, for BF, the ladders and match systems for CS or DOTA 2, etc) is casual. and since the majority of BF fans have no care for organized play, the game is a casual game. > > > > Fair enough, and I can agree with that for the most part. But where is the line between casual and the game holding your hand and doing it for you? Again, serious question. I’m not trying to argue. I actually enjoy the conversation. > > there isnt one. i think the idea that 3d spotting is “hand holding” feature in a game with 64 players is a little absurd, to be honest. it makes your life easier when engaging and harder when fleeing. its a total wash, all it does is promote aggressiveness over fleeing, the game itself doesnt get any harder or easier. Well, the “line” for that is up to the person to decide, but there is obviously a difference between a game being too casual for someone’s taste (easy) and a game simply being casual as per your definition. And the main issue I have with spotting is that it makes it easier to line up shots from a distance with even low optic sights. Of course this can be applied to you getting shot, but when people argue a game is casual it has to do with mechanical skill being lowered across the board, as opposed to the game somehow being objectively easier for you and not other people somehow. ---
**Author:** ![ImNinian](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/958977/32.png) [@ImNinian](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ImNinian)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 5:07pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf1-will-be-casual-or-wont-be/101342/107 "2016-05-18T17:07:00Z")
It will definitely be the most casual BF to date. EA/DICE gave up caring about the games a long, long time ago. It’s all about the money now and casuals throw money around and don’t give a about the game’s quality, so obviously it’ll be super casual. Money trumps all, never forget. ---
**Author:** ![DannyTanner17](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/dannytanner17/32/101626_2.png) [@DannyTanner17](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DannyTanner17)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 5:13pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf1-will-be-casual-or-wont-be/101342/108 "2016-05-18T17:13:00Z")
Personally I hope it is a game that casuals can enjoy. I’d like to see the player-base grow. More money for Dice development and more kills for me. ---
**Author:** ![swfc4eva1](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/swfc4eva1/32/103667_2.png) [@swfc4eva1](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/swfc4eva1)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 5:28pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf1-will-be-casual-or-wont-be/101342/109 "2016-05-18T17:28:00Z")
> [@visegrip117](#): > > Fair enough, but if you’re not playing all the objective based game modes then how can speak for all people when you say > > > [@](#): > > > > ppls main focus is to kill no matter what game mode > > When you don’t play they game mode that you’re speaking for? Ppl play fps to kill ppl that’s why I say that, objectives are there for u to accomplish whilst killing ppl! ---
**Author:** ![Sir-xer21](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sir-xer21/32/103487_2.png) [@Sir-xer21](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Sir-xer21)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 6:57pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf1-will-be-casual-or-wont-be/101342/110 "2016-05-18T18:57:00Z")
> [@JumpyZombie](#): > > I think I found a way to make us all sort of agree on something. > > It has to do with the game giving us Options, so we can play the game in a way that feels “right” for you. > > So, Dice should give option to play Domination Mode. And Dice agrees, it gives us Domination Mode. > > Dice gives us option to use sniper rifles, and other weapons. > > Now, what some of us want are “more” options, and others yell at us that they don’t want Dice to do that. They want Dice to keep it the way it is. > > What Options do I want, … I want Options that promote team-based gaming, new scoreboard, point system, ranking system for Team-based Game Mode section in BF1. It would be an Option for everybody either to Enter the Team-based Area or not. And for long time, my suggestion to have Team-based Area is shouted down, and I’m insulted because I suggest that Option. > > Again, the more Options Dice gives us, the better. And Options that are not used, will fall by the wayside. There are lots of maps and game modes that are not used right now in BF4, the people have spoken. > > Just let Team-based players have a voice and Area where we can go to, to hang out together, you don’t have to go to that Area. > > That would be your “option” , not to go to that Area. But, give Team-based gamers their choice to pick the “option” for Team-based section in BF1 with different ranking system, point system, scoreboard that reflects and rewards players that do play the Team-based Game Mode. Theyre not going to create a whole new ranking infrastructure to support a spinoffspinoff mode no one will care about. ---
**Author:** ![Sir-xer21](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sir-xer21/32/103487_2.png) [@Sir-xer21](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Sir-xer21)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 7:37pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf1-will-be-casual-or-wont-be/101342/111 "2016-05-18T19:37:00Z")
> [@NatsuTerran](#): > > > [@Sir-xer21](#): > > > > > [@visegrip117](#): > > > > > > > [@Sir-xer21](#): > > > > > > > > > [@DingoKillr](#): > > > > > > > > > > Don’t know about you guys but to me Casual does not mean low skill. BF has always been causal you spend as much time as you like, you don’t have to come back every day to prevent punishment for not playing. > > > > > > > > as far as im concerned, anything you dont play in a sanctioned environment (like ESL or CEVO, for BF, the ladders and match systems for CS or DOTA 2, etc) is casual. and since the majority of BF fans have no care for organized play, the game is a casual game. > > > > > > Fair enough, and I can agree with that for the most part. But where is the line between casual and the game holding your hand and doing it for you? Again, serious question. I’m not trying to argue. I actually enjoy the conversation. > > > > there isnt one. i think the idea that 3d spotting is “hand holding” feature in a game with 64 players is a little absurd, to be honest. it makes your life easier when engaging and harder when fleeing. its a total wash, all it does is promote aggressiveness over fleeing, the game itself doesnt get any harder or easier. > > Well, the “line” for that is up to the person to decide, but there is obviously a difference between a game being too casual for someone’s taste (easy) and a game simply being casual as per your definition. > > And the main issue I have with spotting is that it makes it easier to line up shots from a distance with even low optic sights. Of course this can be applied to you getting shot, but when people argue a game is casual it has to do with mechanical skill being lowered across the board, as opposed to the game somehow being objectively easier for you and not other people somehow. I know why theyre arguing its more casual due to less skill needed. Im arguing that spotting doesn’treally make anything mechanically easier in refarss to shooting. I dont think an orange triangle makes it any easier to make a shot. Youre not aiming at the triangle anyways. ---
**Author:** ![NatsuTerran](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/898d66/32.png) [@NatsuTerran](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/NatsuTerran)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 7:39pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf1-will-be-casual-or-wont-be/101342/112 "2016-05-18T19:39:00Z")
I think it definitely helps lining shots up… drastically. I’ve killed players that I literally could not even see due to distance with iron sights/red dots just by aiming at the dorito. ---
**Author:** ![Sir-xer21](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sir-xer21/32/103487_2.png) [@Sir-xer21](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Sir-xer21)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 8:16pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf1-will-be-casual-or-wont-be/101342/113 "2016-05-18T20:16:00Z")
> [@NatsuTerran](#): > > I think it definitely helps lining shots up… drastically. I’ve killed players that I literally could not even see due to distance with iron sights/red dots just by aiming at the dorito. Maybe it helps some people but if i can see the dorito i can see the player. The only thing it helps me do is notice him…which is the point of spotting and something communication (not that you could do that with 32 players on teamspeak) would accomplish easily in a different scenario. ---
**Author:** ![NatsuTerran](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/898d66/32.png) [@NatsuTerran](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/NatsuTerran)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 8:58pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf1-will-be-casual-or-wont-be/101342/114 "2016-05-18T20:58:00Z")
Well at the very least the dorito should just indicate a hostile area and not hover over players’ heads. ---
**Author:** ![quicktiger](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/q/58f4c7/32.png) [@quicktiger](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/quicktiger)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 10:29pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf1-will-be-casual-or-wont-be/101342/115 "2016-05-18T22:29:00Z")
Hey I have this radical idea. Over the next 5 months, read the articles, watch the gameplay, and play the beta…BEFORE you buy the game. Crazy, right? You can thank me later. ---
**Author:** ![mmarkweII](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/mmarkweii/32/102833_2.png) [@mmarkweII](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/mmarkweII)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 10:36pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf1-will-be-casual-or-wont-be/101342/116 "2016-05-18T22:36:00Z")
> [@quicktiger](#): > > Hey I have this radical idea. Over the next 5 months, read the articles, watch the gameplay, and play the beta…BEFORE you buy the game. Crazy, right? > > You can thank me later. That’s just crazy m8. I preordered because of the soundtrack to the trailer which had no gameplay in it whatsoever. \>🙂 ---
**Author:** ![VBALL\_MVP](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/vball_mvp/32/103977_2.png) [@VBALL\_MVP](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/VBALL_MVP)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 10:37pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf1-will-be-casual-or-wont-be/101342/117 "2016-05-18T22:37:00Z")
> [@DannyTanner17](#): > > Personally I hope it is a game that casuals can enjoy. I’d like to see the player-base grow. More money for Dice development and more kills for me. Yup ---
**Author:** ![cantgetright006](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/cantgetright006/32/101453_2.png) [@cantgetright006](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/cantgetright006)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 11:38pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf1-will-be-casual-or-wont-be/101342/118 "2016-05-18T23:38:00Z")
Best answer is, it better be if they they want to be the top dog in fps! Why do you think people keep buying COD with it’s dated game engine? It’s because it is so noob friendly! Battlefield not near as noob friendly. A 10 year old who never played Cod can get kills in it! And have monster games shortly after starting to play it. Then they are hooked for life! My hope is that it is a mix of both and bug free at launch! Mostly the bug free part! ---
**Author:** ![Sir-xer21](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sir-xer21/32/103487_2.png) [@Sir-xer21](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Sir-xer21)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2016, 12:22am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf1-will-be-casual-or-wont-be/101342/119 "2016-05-19T00:22:00Z")
> [@cantgetright006](#): > > Best answer is, it better be if they they want to be the top dog in fps! Why do you think people keep buying COD with it’s dated game engine? It’s because it is so noob friendly! Battlefield not near as noob friendly. A 10 year old who never played Cod can get kills in it! And have monster games shortly after starting to play it. Then they are hooked for life! > > My hope is that it is a mix of both and bug free at launch! Mostly the bug free part! Youre calling a franchise that explocitly rewards you for missing shots and thinks people need lock on weapons to deal with tanks less noob friendly than a game requires more speed to play effectively? ---
**Author:** ![NatsuTerran](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/898d66/32.png) [@NatsuTerran](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/NatsuTerran)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2016, 12:40am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf1-will-be-casual-or-wont-be/101342/120 "2016-05-19T00:40:00Z")
CoD is vastly more noob-friendly than BF. Most beginners have no idea what’s going on in a CQ large match, where they should go, what class they should pick, etc. In CoD, the beginner to intermediate climb is seamless because you don’t have to think about where to go or what to use for the most part. It’s just point and click. [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf1-will-be-casual-or-wont-be/101342.md?page=5) [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf1-will-be-casual-or-wont-be/101342.md?page=7)