# BF4 : --- More Camera Angles --- C F11 F10 F9 **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 21, 2013, 3:59pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4-more-camera-angles-c-f11-f10-f9/149052 "2013-03-21T15:59:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Dogfight\_Legend](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/a587f6/32.png) [@Dogfight\_Legend](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Dogfight_Legend)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2013, 3:59pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4-more-camera-angles-c-f11-f10-f9/149052/1 "2013-03-21T15:59:00Z")
You remember the vintage Battlefield Pc Games where you had a flyby camera (Standard Key F12)? Battlefield 3 didnt have that. You remember Bad Company where you had atleast a backview camera (F11)? Battlefield 3 didnt even had that. So why is this important ( all refers to softcore)? Well it gives every vehicle more depth and you have to invest some time to handle these cameras. You can spott in a Tank someone behind you. In a Heli you can see more clearly whats going on. A Jet you are not dependable on a air radar. You depend on the timing you switch the Cameras. I know you might say mhh no need unrealistic. Well in Hardcore all stays as it is now only cockpit view 🙂 _But I love my Air Radar_. Well lets hope they keep it in BF4 its a great tool but you should be able to depend on other stuff to, like handling the cameras. This also makes other upgrades in that slot more valuable. Check out these Videos so you can see from a Jet perspectiv what I mean: BF1942: [![Video: BF1942 Dogfight Spit vs 109](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/e/7/e7814d33093953aeed3a5e80e88a5b26aa38b648.jpeg "BF1942 Dogfight Spit vs 109") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_jf3Laxr0o) [[youtube.com](http://youtube.com)] BF2: [![Video: iDF! original. (Scrapped)](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/e/a/eac600712db035d43d33cc1772b2a912f0745fca.jpeg "iDF! original. (Scrapped)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1muLmZx_EQI) [[youtube.com](http://youtube.com)] BF3: [![Video: Battlefield 3 | 1vs1 Professional Jet Dogfighting | 1ron-tjunfisk vs skyb0ss - Powered by FlabSlab](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/2/1/21195ae24e3f29ad44afe5a626dd5c72eb48d4fa.jpeg "Battlefield 3 | 1vs1 Professional Jet Dogfighting | 1ron-tjunfisk vs skyb0ss - Powered by FlabSlab") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LqPHrWhWco) [[youtube.com](http://youtube.com)] Its about enhancing the Gameplay. Greetings 🙂 EDIT: This is already in BF3 just unlock it for BF4 [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uT7nvlSaco](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uT7nvlSaco) [[youtube.com](http://youtube.com)] SPEC MODE (kinda hack without cameras): We seriously do need cameras otherwise I would have a buddy in spectator mode tell me what to do 😉 and where the enemy is. ---
**Author:** ![sley009](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/7cd45c/32.png) [@sley009](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/sley009)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2013, 4:07pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4-more-camera-angles-c-f11-f10-f9/149052/2 "2013-03-21T16:07:00Z")
Ye, cmon, add cameras pls! ---
**Author:** ![Imladris18](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/8797f3/32.png) [@Imladris18](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Imladris18)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2013, 4:07pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4-more-camera-angles-c-f11-f10-f9/149052/3 "2013-03-21T16:07:00Z")
I do agree, being able to see around you is key in dogfighting. It’s so clunky to look around now, and the range of motion isn’t very good at all, and it’s only in cockpit view. ---
**Author:** ![zelatur](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/z/c6cbf5/32.png) [@zelatur](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/zelatur)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2013, 4:11pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4-more-camera-angles-c-f11-f10-f9/149052/4 "2013-03-21T16:11:00Z")
I think instead of more camera angles there should be Battlerecorder. But in jets there should be option to look back or some mirror showing whats going on behind you. ---
**Author:** ![Dogfight\_Legend](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/a587f6/32.png) [@Dogfight\_Legend](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Dogfight_Legend)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2013, 4:32pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4-more-camera-angles-c-f11-f10-f9/149052/5 "2013-03-21T16:32:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _zelatur said:_ > I think instead of more camera angles there should be Battlerecorder. But in jets there should be option to look back or some mirror showing whats going on behind you. Yeah Agree with the Battlerecoder but lets focus on the Ingame Cameras! 🙂 Yeah atleast a rear/back view I mean they had it in BFBC2 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Reiskaxd](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/e480ec/32.png) [@Reiskaxd](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Reiskaxd)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2013, 4:41pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4-more-camera-angles-c-f11-f10-f9/149052/6 "2013-03-21T16:41:00Z")
Flyby would be great even though i guess it’s not going to happend.. Hopefully atleast something else than just radar. ---
**Author:** ![Pharakz](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/ecd19e/32.png) [@Pharakz](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Pharakz)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2013, 5:34pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4-more-camera-angles-c-f11-f10-f9/149052/7 "2013-03-21T17:34:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Akaorcram sagte:_ > You remember the vintage Battlefield Pc Games where you had a flyby camera (Standard Key F12)? Battlefield 3 didnt have that. You remember Bad Company where you had atleast a backview camera (F11)? Battlefield 3 didnt even had that. So why is this important ( all refers to softcore)? Well it gives every vehicle more depth and you have to invest some time to handle these cameras. You can spott in a Tank someone behind you. In a Heli you can see more clearly whats going on. A Jet you are not dependable on a air radar. You depend on the timing you switch the Cameras. I know you might say mhh no need unrealistic. Well in Hardcore all stays as it is now only cockpit view 🙂 _But I love my Air Radar_. Well lets hope they keep it in BF4 its a great tool but you should be able to depend on other stuff to, like handling the cameras. This also makes other upgrades in that slot more valuable. > > Check out these Videos so you can see from a Jet perspectiv what I mean: > > BF1942: > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6\_jf3Laxr0o](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_jf3Laxr0o) > > [[youtube.com](http://youtube.com)] > > BF2: > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1muLmZx\_EQI](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1muLmZx_EQI) > > [[youtube.com](http://youtube.com)] > > BF3: > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LqPHrWhWco](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LqPHrWhWco) > > [[youtube.com](http://youtube.com)] > > Its about enhancing the Gameplay. > Greetings 🙂 +1 ---
**Author:** ![O48-SIRIUS](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/o/59ef9b/32.png) [@O48-SIRIUS](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/O48-SIRIUS)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 12:52am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4-more-camera-angles-c-f11-f10-f9/149052/8 "2013-03-22T00:52:00Z")
some argue that cameras are unrealistic but i feel they bring more realistic qualities that are almost impossible to bring into a video game until virtual reality becomes mainstream. in all seriousness, pilots can see behind themselves and aircraft have had mirrors since WWI, if you really think about it, flyby is just a dynamic view of what youd see if you were to look straight up from the cockpit ---
**Author:** ![Dogfight\_Legend](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/a587f6/32.png) [@Dogfight\_Legend](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Dogfight_Legend)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 3:46am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4-more-camera-angles-c-f11-f10-f9/149052/9 "2013-03-22T03:46:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _-O48-SIRIUS sagte:_ > some argue that cameras are unrealistic but i feel they bring more realistic qualities that are almost impossible to bring into a video game until virtual reality becomes mainstream. in all seriousness, pilots can see behind themselves and aircraft have had mirrors since WWI, if you really think about it, flyby is just a dynamic view of what youd see if you were to look straight up from the cockpit Yeah agree in BF3 you are not realy able to look behind you 😉 ---
**Author:** ![renesweb74](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/renesweb74/32/103259_2.png) [@renesweb74](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/renesweb74)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 11:56am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4-more-camera-angles-c-f11-f10-f9/149052/10 "2013-03-22T11:56:00Z")
+1 Professionals 😉 ---
**Author:** ![iDF-End](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/ea666f/32.png) [@iDF-End](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/iDF-End)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 1:01pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4-more-camera-angles-c-f11-f10-f9/149052/11 "2013-03-22T13:01:00Z")
I dogfighted in Bf2 and Bf3. Now lets say that Bf3 is not a bad game, at least how it is today. The ground gameplay is pretty funny. But the airgameplay, and particularly the conquest airgameplay, was way better in Bf2. I dont feel like explaining why, because like 90% of the pilots out there havent even played bf2 and wont get it. But now to the cameras. The bf2 cameras where great, but they way it is in Bf3 isnt bad at all. I like it because there are so many dead angles, that you really have to be an experienced pilot to be able to follow properly enemy jets. So if you say you want a backview camera i agree, because you are totally blind if someone is behind you. (and dont come with airradar stuff, because all the pilots who just use airradar when they are in defense… lets say “dont have a good defense”) so i agree with adding a backview, so that you can time your defensive moves better. But adding a flyby camera, would ruin a bit that instinctive flying… which to be honest, is the only thing i like in bf3 dogfighting. However, that is my opinion… Greets End ---
**Author:** ![Tokei3](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/67e7ee/32.png) [@Tokei3](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Tokei3)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 4:58pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4-more-camera-angles-c-f11-f10-f9/149052/12 "2013-03-22T16:58:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Akaorcram said:_ > You remember the vintage Battlefield Pc Games where you had a flyby camera (Standard Key F12)? Battlefield 3 didnt have that. You remember Bad Company where you had atleast a backview camera (F11)? Battlefield 3 didnt even had that. So why is this important ( all refers to softcore)? Well it gives every vehicle more depth and you have to invest some time to handle these cameras. You can spott in a Tank someone behind you. In a Heli you can see more clearly whats going on. A Jet you are not dependable on a air radar. You depend on the timing you switch the Cameras. I know you might say mhh no need unrealistic. Well in Hardcore all stays as it is now only cockpit view 🙂 _But I love my Air Radar_. Well lets hope they keep it in BF4 its a great tool but you should be able to depend on other stuff to, like handling the cameras. This also makes other upgrades in that slot more valuable. > > Check out these Videos so you can see from a Jet perspectiv what I mean: > > BF1942: > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6\_jf3Laxr0o](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_jf3Laxr0o) > > [[youtube.com](http://youtube.com)] > > BF2: > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1muLmZx\_EQI](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1muLmZx_EQI) > > [[youtube.com](http://youtube.com)] > > BF3: > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LqPHrWhWco](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LqPHrWhWco) > > [[youtube.com](http://youtube.com)] > > Its about enhancing the Gameplay. > Greetings 🙂 +1 ---
**Author:** ![Xietsu](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/e19adc/32.png) [@Xietsu](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Xietsu)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2013, 10:26am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4-more-camera-angles-c-f11-f10-f9/149052/13 "2013-03-24T10:26:00Z")
kinda think jet cam angles are unrealistic, but maybe realistic in that canopy free look & radar, IRL, are far more expansive * * * Please post & /sign my thread \> [http://www.tinyurl.com/MLOMBG](http://www.tinyurl.com/MLOMBG) [[tinyurl.com](http://tinyurl.com)] \< 108 foci for BF4 & beyond \> 229 aspects TOTAL Boot Camp: List of Noob Tips \> [http://www.tinyurl.com/BCLONT](http://www.tinyurl.com/BCLONT) [[tinyurl.com](http://tinyurl.com)] \< 26 points, 115 w/ subsets tallied \> Contribute if possible! ---
**Author:** ![redbyte-venax](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/ac8455/32.png) [@redbyte-venax](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/redbyte-venax)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2013, 11:08am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4-more-camera-angles-c-f11-f10-f9/149052/14 "2013-03-24T11:08:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Xietsu said:_ > kinda think jet cam angles are unrealistic, but maybe realistic in that canopy free look & radar, IRL, are far more expansive pls this is not a realistic game ---
**Author:** ![Xietsu](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/e19adc/32.png) [@Xietsu](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Xietsu)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2013, 11:11am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4-more-camera-angles-c-f11-f10-f9/149052/15 "2013-03-24T11:11:00Z")
i just dont feel comfy switching angles in my jet that i never fly cause im a noob ;'{ * * * Please post & /sign my thread \> [http://www.tinyurl.com/MLOMBG](http://www.tinyurl.com/MLOMBG) [[tinyurl.com](http://tinyurl.com)] \< 108 foci for BF4 & beyond \> 229 aspects TOTAL Boot Camp: List of Noob Tips \> [http://www.tinyurl.com/BCLONT](http://www.tinyurl.com/BCLONT) [[tinyurl.com](http://tinyurl.com)] \< 26 points, 115 w/ subsets tallied \> Contribute if possible! ---
**Author:** ![Dogfight\_Legend](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/a587f6/32.png) [@Dogfight\_Legend](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Dogfight_Legend)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2013, 4:43pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4-more-camera-angles-c-f11-f10-f9/149052/16 "2013-03-24T16:43:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Xietsu said:_ > i just dont feel comfy switching angles in my jet that i never fly cause im a noob ;'{ > > * * * > > Please post & /sign my thread \> [http://www.tinyurl.com/MLOMBG](http://www.tinyurl.com/MLOMBG) [[tinyurl.com](http://tinyurl.com)] \< 90 foci for BF4 & beyond \> 182 aspects TOTAL Well yeah takes some time to get a handle of it. ---
**Author:** ![FobinenHege](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/35a633/32.png) [@FobinenHege](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/FobinenHege)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2013, 4:49pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4-more-camera-angles-c-f11-f10-f9/149052/17 "2013-03-24T16:49:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Xietsu said:_ > i just dont feel comfy switching angles in my jet that i never fly cause im a noob ;'{ You’ll get used it. When I’m flying jet in BF2, I nowadays don’t even recognize that I’m switching angles. It’s just kind of reflex nowadays that I look around. ---
**Author:** ![Xietsu](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/e19adc/32.png) [@Xietsu](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Xietsu)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 3:34am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4-more-camera-angles-c-f11-f10-f9/149052/18 "2013-03-25T03:34:00Z")
MUST RELAX WHEN SWITCHING CAMERA ANGLES!!!311a!!! \>\_\< * * * Please post & /sign my thread \> [http://www.tinyurl.com/MLOMBG](http://www.tinyurl.com/MLOMBG) [[tinyurl.com](http://tinyurl.com)] \< 108 foci for BF4 & beyond \> 229 aspects TOTAL Boot Camp: List of Noob Tips \> [http://www.tinyurl.com/BCLONT](http://www.tinyurl.com/BCLONT) [[tinyurl.com](http://tinyurl.com)] \< 26 points, 115 w/ subsets tallied \> Contribute if possible! ---
**Author:** ![Dauntless\_vK](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@Dauntless\_vK](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Dauntless_vK)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 3:59am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4-more-camera-angles-c-f11-f10-f9/149052/19 "2013-03-25T03:59:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Pharakz said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _Akaorcram sagte:_ > > Check out these Videos so you can see from a Jet perspectiv what I mean: > > > > BF1942: > > > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6\_jf3Laxr0o](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_jf3Laxr0o) > > > > [[youtube.com](http://youtube.com)] > > > > BF2: > > > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1muLmZx\_EQI](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1muLmZx_EQI) > > > > [[youtube.com](http://youtube.com)] > > > > BF3: > > > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LqPHrWhWco](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LqPHrWhWco) > > > > [[youtube.com](http://youtube.com)] > > > > Its about enhancing the Gameplay. > > Greetings 🙂 > > +1 ---
**Author:** ![shaolincs](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@shaolincs](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/shaolincs)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 4:10am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4-more-camera-angles-c-f11-f10-f9/149052/20 "2013-03-25T04:10:00Z")
And also you should make the same Manueverality in all the jets.