# BF4DB is back (again)! **URL:** \ **Category:** PC\ **Created:** [May 6, 2017, 2:12pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4db-is-back-again/104815 "2017-05-06T14:12:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Frogtooth](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/frogtooth/32/102009_2.png) [@Frogtooth](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Frogtooth)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2017, 11:18pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4db-is-back-again/104815/41 "2017-05-14T23:18:00Z")
> [@Aim4Sneaky](#): > > one is banned for a multi hack, what are you basing this off of? Where is the proof? If he uses a multi hack, why am I able to play equally as good as him if not better when playing against him? I think it’s just a case of bad players thinking better players cheat, as usual. Nobody has said “these players cheated in comp games”. Nobody has even said “these players have cheated with their primary account”. What has been proven is that these players have created smurf accounts and have cheated with them and Punkbuster or Fairfight have caught them. And one of them has stated in a very public place that yes, he has cheated, and that yes, he is certain other comp players have cheated and he names names. ---
**Author:** ![BurtTheBlueberry](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/burttheblueberry/32/105514_2.png) [@BurtTheBlueberry](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BurtTheBlueberry)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2017, 11:28pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4db-is-back-again/104815/42 "2017-05-14T23:28:00Z")
> [@Aim4Sneaky](#): > > > [@Frogtooth](#): > > > > > [@Aim4Sneaky](#): > > > > > > Send me a friend request please, if we’re talking about the same players I’d like to see this, if I’m missing something I’ll happily be informed as to what they’ve been up to, thanks. > > > > You’d be delusional to think comp players don’t sometimes cheat. Focus your energies on defending thems that deserve it. > > Request sent. > > I didn’t say that comp players don’t sometimes cheat, I know for a fact that some do but what I’m saying is, the ones that I had picked out were ones I had played against previously in both pub and competitive, and they didn’t do anything suspicious in either, we have even won against one of the banned players’ teams. Obviously I can’t name and shame but one is banned for a multi hack, what are you basing this off of? Where is the proof? If he uses a multi hack, why am I able to play equally as good as him if not better when playing against him? I think it’s just a case of bad players thinking better players cheat, as usual. Lots of comp players have alt accounts, as do some casual players obviously. Whether they cheated or not during a comp match is not the point of the ban. The point is that they are linked in some way to another account that cheated or they cheated with their account in the past. Their current game performance isn’t the deciding factor. In fact most cheaters would not cheat during a comp match or would tone it down quite significantly because other comp players are very attuned to high levels of skill and can pick out odd actions much more accurately than the average player. The player in question may have an account that was banned in the past ---
**Author:** ![Aim4Sneaky](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/aim4sneaky/32/101160_2.png) [@Aim4Sneaky](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Aim4Sneaky)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2017, 11:36pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4db-is-back-again/104815/43 "2017-05-14T23:36:00Z")
> [@BurtTheBlueberry](#): > > > [@Aim4Sneaky](#): > > > > > [@Frogtooth](#): > > > > > > > [@Aim4Sneaky](#): > > > > > > > > Send me a friend request please, if we’re talking about the same players I’d like to see this, if I’m missing something I’ll happily be informed as to what they’ve been up to, thanks. > > > > > > You’d be delusional to think comp players don’t sometimes cheat. Focus your energies on defending thems that deserve it. > > > Request sent. > > > > I didn’t say that comp players don’t sometimes cheat, I know for a fact that some do but what I’m saying is, the ones that I had picked out were ones I had played against previously in both pub and competitive, and they didn’t do anything suspicious in either, we have even won against one of the banned players’ teams. Obviously I can’t name and shame but one is banned for a multi hack, what are you basing this off of? Where is the proof? If he uses a multi hack, why am I able to play equally as good as him if not better when playing against him? I think it’s just a case of bad players thinking better players cheat, as usual. > > Lots of comp players have alt accounts, as do some casual players obviously. Whether they cheated or not during a comp match is not the point of the ban. The point is that they are linked in some way to another account that cheated or they cheated with their account in the past. Their current game performance isn’t the deciding factor. In fact most cheaters would not cheat during a comp match or would tone it down quite significantly because other comp players are very attuned to high levels of skill and can pick out odd actions much more accurately than the average player. The player in question may have an account that was banned in the past Maybe you’re right, but then why does BF4DB not show alt accounts on the ban reason? It seems like they are hiding something. ---
**Author:** ![BurtTheBlueberry](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/burttheblueberry/32/105514_2.png) [@BurtTheBlueberry](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BurtTheBlueberry)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2017, 11:38pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4db-is-back-again/104815/44 "2017-05-14T23:38:00Z")
> [@Aim4Sneaky](#): > > > [@BurtTheBlueberry](#): > > > > > [@Aim4Sneaky](#): > > > > > > > [@Frogtooth](#): > > > > > > > > > [@Aim4Sneaky](#): > > > > > > > > > > Send me a friend request please, if we’re talking about the same players I’d like to see this, if I’m missing something I’ll happily be informed as to what they’ve been up to, thanks. > > > > > > > > You’d be delusional to think comp players don’t sometimes cheat. Focus your energies on defending thems that deserve it. > > > > Request sent. > > > > > > I didn’t say that comp players don’t sometimes cheat, I know for a fact that some do but what I’m saying is, the ones that I had picked out were ones I had played against previously in both pub and competitive, and they didn’t do anything suspicious in either, we have even won against one of the banned players’ teams. Obviously I can’t name and shame but one is banned for a multi hack, what are you basing this off of? Where is the proof? If he uses a multi hack, why am I able to play equally as good as him if not better when playing against him? I think it’s just a case of bad players thinking better players cheat, as usual. > > > > Lots of comp players have alt accounts, as do some casual players obviously. Whether they cheated or not during a comp match is not the point of the ban. The point is that they are linked in some way to another account that cheated or they cheated with their account in the past. Their current game performance isn’t the deciding factor. In fact most cheaters would not cheat during a comp match or would tone it down quite significantly because other comp players are very attuned to high levels of skill and can pick out odd actions much more accurately than the average player. The player in question may have an account that was banned in the past > > Maybe you’re right, but then why does BF4DB not show alt accounts on the ban reason? It seems like they are hiding something. If you click on the banned icon it should give you the reason for the ban. You can dm me here with the name and I can look into it or ask for the reason from one of the admins ---
**Author:** ![DoranBF4](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DoranBF4](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DoranBF4)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 6:36am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4db-is-back-again/104815/45 "2017-05-15T06:36:00Z")
No one, really NO ONE needs a community driven ban list managed by child admins. The problem of hackers need to be solved by EA/Dice and not by the community. I do not trust private people getting the power to ban players from a lot of servers. There can only be one solution and that is that EA/Dice is going to fix that from their side. Punkbuster and Fairfight are a step in the right direction but its like coming with a knife to a gun fight. Both systems are broken since months/years. There are a lot of undetected cheats out there and I really don’t understand why nothing can’t be done about it. Reporting of players must be an easy task and there should be humans checking the reports and give transparency about their findings and actions. I am willed to pay more for future BF games if the fight against cheaters is take serious. Atm. its . ---
**Author:** ![Rev0verDrive](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@Rev0verDrive](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Rev0verDrive)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 6:38am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4db-is-back-again/104815/46 "2017-05-15T06:38:00Z")
> [@DoranBF4](#): > > No one, really NO ONE needs a community driven ban list managed by child admins. > I do not trust private people getting the power to ban players from a lot of servers. 2 reasons why there isn’t a BF1DB. ---
**Author:** ![Mikex2112](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/ad7895/32.png) [@Mikex2112](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Mikex2112)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 9:10pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4db-is-back-again/104815/47 "2017-05-15T21:10:00Z")
@Aim4sneaky Even though I was wrongly “convicted” of a crime by Hockeeyyyy,I dont find him a “badmin”…Quite the opposite as he and other BF4DB admins are trying to give us a game void of cheaters..Do legit players mistakenly get banned or accused?Absolutely. ---
**Author:** ![DIRTYGreeny](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/dirtygreeny/32/105552_2.png) [@DIRTYGreeny](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DIRTYGreeny)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 9:47pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4db-is-back-again/104815/48 "2017-05-15T21:47:00Z")
> [@DoranBF4](#): > > No one, really NO ONE needs a community driven ban list managed by child admins. The problem of hackers need to be solved by EA/Dice and not by the community. Are you saying that all community driven third party ban lists are managed by child admins? > [@DoranBF4](#): > > I do not trust private people getting the power to ban players from a lot of servers. Correct me if I’m wrong and I would apologise for it if I was as I don’t want to misinform anyone but I believe that the third party ban list is enforced by admins streaming to it. In other words BF4DB wouldn’t have much power if the admins of all these servers didn’t approve, stream or believe in the information that BF4DB provides. Admins can decide whether or not to enforce their banlist and can exercise their right to keep certain players off their server, in this case those who are believed to be cheating. Its not like pb or fairfight where it is integrated on every server and is mandatory. ---
**Author:** ![Rev0verDrive](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@Rev0verDrive](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Rev0verDrive)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 9:52pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4db-is-back-again/104815/49 "2017-05-15T21:52:00Z")
> [@DIRTYGreeny](#): > > Correct me if I’m wrong and I would apologise for it if I was as I don’t want to misinform anyone but I believe that the third party ban list is enforced by admins streaming to it. In other words BF4DB wouldn’t have much power if the admins of all these servers didn’t approve, stream or believe in the information that BF4DB provides. Admins can decide whether or not to enforce their banlist and can exercise their right to keep certain players off their server, in this case those who are believed to be cheating. Its not like pb or fairfight where it is integrated on every server and is mandatory. While correct, a large majority don’t understand what a 3rd party stream is. Sooooo many posts in this forum as well as the old BL forums where they believe sites like PBBans, 247 FP, GGC etc are actual in-game anti-cheat. ---
**Author:** ![hockeeyyyy](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hockeeyyyy/32/105590_2.png) [@hockeeyyyy](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/hockeeyyyy)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 10:12pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4db-is-back-again/104815/50 "2017-05-15T22:12:00Z")
We should be careful of what third parties are used to protect servers. One of the biggest failings of the original BF4DB was the lack of English speaking admins who didn’t always understand the nuances of a native speaker; plus, it appears their poor grasp of English caused a rift between the original BF4DB and ACI. The new BF4DB is all native English speakers and we plan to integrate German, Japanese, Korean, and Spanish / Brazilian Portuguese down the road. Beyond language, one of the good things about the new BF4DB is that myself and KevinRudd are two players who have played competitively. We’ve been vetted thoroughly and completely. There are absolutely zero question we are clean players. Why this is important is because we can usually see the subtle differences in someone who was cheating or isn’t cheating. This may seem like an unnecessary quibble but so many players have been banned for simply having a good round that at some point, it became less about protecting the community and more of suspicion – there’s no fun in Battlefield when you can’t play anywhere because of one admins inability to accept he just isn’t that good. We have made some changes. We’ve removed stat padding as a bannable offence, but if you were banned by Fair aright, even for stat padding, it’s a ban. Further to that, all appeals are finally being looked at in a reasonable time frame – it took a few days to iron out the kinks, but we’ve determined that a few players were stat padding and overturned their bans. We’ve added redundancy to all appeals – multiple admins go over the appeals rather than one. Coding was also a problem at the original BF4DB but the original coder was a very talented guy. He just didn’t have the time to keep the site updated. In my opinion, BF4DB is already miles ahead of 247Fairplay and because ACI refuses to cooperate (and the fact they don’t remove bans that have been overturned by Punkbuster), we will be adding a streaming service and history tracker soon. ---
**Author:** ![Frogtooth](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/frogtooth/32/102009_2.png) [@Frogtooth](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Frogtooth)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 3:19am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4db-is-back-again/104815/51 "2017-05-16T03:19:00Z")
> [@Mikex2112](#): > > Even though I was wrongly “convicted” of a crime by Hockeeyyyy,I dont find him a “badmin”…Quite the opposite This. It’s hard to find people who actually LIKE him, and he may not be the world’s most perfectest ban admin, but the few negatives things I’ve heard filtering out don’t strike me as disqualifying him from the job. You can’t ban thousands of people and not make mistakes, and you can’t ban thousands of people without making enemies. . Complaining about the use of 3rd party anti-cheat sites is like complaining that police exist because sometimes they arrest innocent people and sometimes the police themselves commit crimes. Sure, you go live in a society without law enforcement, but I’ll stay here. And you do yourself no favors in backing your case against them by tossing out ad hominem silliness like “child admins”. Often the folks launching those attacks are cheaters who have been banned and are now throwing a tantrum. . Do we wish EA/Dice would get their act together and get as serious as Blizzard about keeping cheaters out of the game? Of course. But until it happens, I’d rather have PBBans and GGC\_Stream and ACI and 247FP and Metabans and BF4DB around than nothing. The servers are often quite unplayable for long stretches at a time these days without them. And as a server admin I get to pick and choose which of these I trust and which I do not. Nobody has handed control over who gets to play to some self-appointed set of dictators–there will always be options. ---
**Author:** ![hockeeyyyy](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hockeeyyyy/32/105590_2.png) [@hockeeyyyy](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/hockeeyyyy)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4db-is-back-again/104815/52 "2017-05-16T16:23:00Z")
Ban list is now 1,157 players – some of them linked. We had a list of 21 reports left this morning, I got it down to 13. I cleared 6 of those players, and the other 2 were banned. At one point, our list was at 190 reports, so this is good news. I will likely be making further changes to the ban policy to reflect the issue with video evidence as some of the reports I had to change to clean due to lack of evidence; there were some videos that had blatant proof of cheating, but were less than two minutes long or were edited by changing the scene. So the ban policy language has to change a bit. Otherwise, this has been a fantastic start for BF4DB. We’ve patched the site four times in the last week, and we have more updates coming soon. ---
**Author:** ![Sk1lld](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/91b2a8/32.png) [@Sk1lld](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Sk1lld)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 5:13pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4db-is-back-again/104815/53 "2017-05-16T17:13:00Z")
I really don’t understand why bf4db was resurrected? The game has been sunset, is there really a need for this database? Seems like a lot of work for a dying game IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Frogtooth](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/frogtooth/32/102009_2.png) [@Frogtooth](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Frogtooth)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 9:54pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4db-is-back-again/104815/54 "2017-05-16T21:54:00Z")
> [@Sk1lld](#): > > The game has been sunset, is there really a need for this database? Seems like a lot of work for a dying game IMHO. Or you could just say “I wouldn’t have gone to all that work myself, but I’m glad someone did–thank you”. ---
**Author:** ![Sk1lld](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/91b2a8/32.png) [@Sk1lld](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Sk1lld)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 10:31pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4db-is-back-again/104815/55 "2017-05-16T22:31:00Z")
> [@Frogtooth](#): > > > [@Sk1lld](#): > > > > The game has been sunset, is there really a need for this database? Seems like a lot of work for a dying game IMHO. > > Or you could just say “I wouldn’t have gone to all that work myself, but I’m glad someone did–thank you”. Like putting a saddle on a dead horse. JMHO ---
**Author:** ![EddyDeWallyvis](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/57b2e6/32.png) [@EddyDeWallyvis](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/EddyDeWallyvis)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 2:04pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4db-is-back-again/104815/56 "2017-05-17T14:04:00Z")
> [@DoranBF4](#): > > No one, really NO ONE needs a community driven ban list managed by child admins. The problem of hackers need to be solved by EA/Dice and not by the community. Keyword being “child” here. Yes, community driven ban lists are not perfect. I myself have been banned by child admins. Yet, I still do believe that initiatives like BF4DB can be very complementary with AC software, the 1’s and 0’s. The 1’s and 0’s are far from a failsafe method. Banlists adds common sense to the equation, they give an extra dimension to the meta in the cat and mouse game. You can’t code common sense away. The problem is how to judge ones common sense. ---
**Author:** ![BurtTheBlueberry](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/burttheblueberry/32/105514_2.png) [@BurtTheBlueberry](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BurtTheBlueberry)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 1:00am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4db-is-back-again/104815/57 "2017-05-18T01:00:00Z")
> [@Sk1lld](#): > > > [@Frogtooth](#): > > > > > [@Sk1lld](#): > > > > > > The game has been sunset, is there really a need for this database? Seems like a lot of work for a dying game IMHO. > > > > Or you could just say “I wouldn’t have gone to all that work myself, but I’m glad someone did–thank you”. > > Like putting a saddle on a dead horse. > > JMHO It’s an older game yes and not supported by dice anymore but a database of an origin based game for cheaters is a great thing. It can extend into future bf titles and the database is still relavent. Player x cheated in bf4 and now he’s doing shady thing in bfbc3. He’ll be in the database and if they allow server plugins again he will be banned from servers protected by Bf4db. ---
**Author:** ![Torsten-AUR](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/torsten-aur/32/106013_2.png) [@Torsten-AUR](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Torsten-AUR)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2017, 2:02pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4db-is-back-again/104815/58 "2017-05-19T14:02:00Z")
> [@hockeeyyyy](#): > > In my opinion, BF4DB is already miles ahead of 247Fairplay and because ACI refuses to cooperate (and the fact they don’t remove bans that have been overturned by Punkbuster), we will be adding a streaming service and history tracker soon. That is simply a lie (see [http://www.anticheatinc.net/removedbans.php?game=bf4](http://www.anticheatinc.net/removedbans.php?game=bf4) for proof!). BF4DB is starting the same as before imo! Banning people just because of stats is an absolute no go. Stats are never an evidence for cheating and btw. on the new banlist over there are the first innocent players as well! So please do not support that stuff again! We had that before and many guys were glad that this nightmare was over! ---
**Author:** ![hockeeyyyy](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hockeeyyyy/32/105590_2.png) [@hockeeyyyy](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/hockeeyyyy)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2017, 2:35pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4db-is-back-again/104815/59 "2017-05-19T14:35:00Z")
> [@Torsten-AUR-](#): > > > [@hockeeyyyy](#): > > > > In my opinion, BF4DB is already miles ahead of 247Fairplay and because ACI refuses to cooperate (and the fact they don’t remove bans that have been overturned by Punkbuster), we will be adding a streaming service and history tracker soon. > > That is simply a lie (see [http://www.anticheatinc.net/removedbans.php?game=bf4](http://www.anticheatinc.net/removedbans.php?game=bf4) for proof!). > > BF4DB is starting the same as before imo! Banning people just because of stats is an absolute no go. Stats are never an evidence for cheating and btw. on the new banlist over there are the first innocent players as well! > > So please do not support that stuff again! We had that before and many guys were glad that this nightmare was over! Kind of hard to show proof when you’ve banned everyone from BF4DB, who had absolutely no relationship to previous BF4DB, and helping BF4DB from using your history tracker because you don’t know how to deal with those who use it for malicious purposes. But sure, let’s play this game. Facts: Anticheat Inc. has banned their members for participating with another third-party for using their data – even when it is public; Anticheat Inc. has banned members of BF4DB from participating in their forums or using their history tool; Anticheat Inc. has banned current BF4DB admins even though they are not connected in any way, shape, or form to the previous BF4DB group (excluding me); Anticheat Inc. use dated software to obtain player data, but have not updated their site or software in some time; in fact, I’m not even sure they have an active development staff any longer. vBulletin is old, and is generally unable to cope with the daily traffic they do get (which is approximately 1,000 unique visitors a day – previous BF4DB averaged approximately 20 times that prior to the DDOS attacks and eventual shutdown) Anticheat has no revenue stream, nor any revenue potential as their history tracker cannot track Battlefield 1, and other games they track are dated. They apparently need $4,200 to host the site and their data, but can conceivably generate $2,920 a year through advertising – which we know is probably the very high end of the scale for them. Something isn’t adding up about their donation requirements either; Anticheat’s TOS and Rules of Conducts have no mentions of using their history tracker on another domain; they also have public streaming lists available for anyone to Google search – they ban anyone who posts those on BF4DB Let’s approach your comments about BF4DB being an unreliable service due to stat-tracking: The BF4DB ban policy is extremely extremely strict. It comes with quadruple redundancy, meaning that every ban is reviewed by two people, and if the ban is appealed, expands to everyone on the administrative staff. Indeed, we’ve had a few ban appeals, and we’ve overturned three of them already due to the fact that two of them were stat-padding (against EA’s / DICE’s Terms of Service). The other was caught glitching in a round (also against EA’s / DICE’s Terms of Services). Approximately ~95% of all our bans have come directly from Punkbuster, Fair Fight, or GGC, which means that 5% of our bans are based on statistics or video. Of those 5%, which is approximately 60 bans, only a small handful of those were actually based on statistics – the majority have been backed by video. In fact, we have one report thread that’s currently being monitored, but not acted upon because [we wanted MORE evidence](http://bf4db.com/forum/thread/report-stick86man-92). Sounds really like a team that bans without cause. Another appeal was made because there was a due to an error by one of the admins – the ban was overturned, all three parties (the appellant, the reporter, and BF4DB staff) were pleased with the results. It showed that redundancy on every ban, appeal, and review worked. Proof: > [@](#): > > Going to be honest here, I don’t see much to warrant a ban. Gun Master rounds are pretty easy to accumulate accuracy. > > 40-50% accuracy isn’t unheard of, and the inconsistency between one round to another is a common event that everyone deals with – no matter who they are. We have all kinds of weapons in Gun Master, including weapons that create multiple hit points from one shot, from the shotguns to the USAS, to M320s. From the battle reports I have seen, I don’t see any way to prove that they are interlinked in a consecutive manner, and judging by the results of your rounds, you weren’t all that effective to begin with. Accuracy in Gun Master is based on multiple factors, and the congestion of the maps is a major factor in the higher degrees of accuracy as well. To summarize my thoughts on the battle reports, I think the evidence is shaky at best, and circumstantial to the point of becoming a non-sequitor – while the battle reports show a high degree of accuracy, I don’t see enough here to find anything suspicious. > > The timeline isn’t all that clear either – it’s one of those circumstances where two parties are offering two varying versions of events, and I’m inclined not to trust information that’s dated and based on anecdotes and memory. > > For BF4DB to work, we have to have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, and I don’t consider the battle reports to be a good exhibit of what we should be looking for when scraping out information that will lead to a ban. The intent of the ban report was honest, but the results of the the investigation didn’t go in the direction we wanted it to go. This is why we have multiple admins to investigate so there’s redundancy on every decision we make, as well as holding ourselves accountable when we do make mistakes – so for the inconvenience, we apologize. > > The ban is lifted. Source: [http://bf4db.com/forum/thread/ban-appeal-oscyjack-42?page=2](http://bf4db.com/forum/thread/ban-appeal-oscyjack-42?page=2) Furthermore, every stat ban requires a snapshot of the player’s BF4DB profile before the ban is implemented – this allows for two things: 1. BF4DB transparency; 2. Proof if appeal is made; Indeed, we have several reports in queue dating back to the release of BF4DB because we are requesting more evidence. The statistics for each player reported and left in the queue are both interesting and vaguely detailed, which makes it extremely difficult to ban them. In fact, one of the reports involves a clan of 7 players – the reporting person is trying to get back his ACI access, but was refused because according to the details he provided me: “We are not allowing access to anyone who is helping BF4DB.” Yea, real strong effort to promote a relationship with the community there, ACI. I’m sure the community appreciates you roadblocking a third party trying to clean up the community because you want to monopolize a dated service that is only useful for finding links between players profiles. You don’t care about the community – you only care about having money to support a dead service that is already in the process of being replaced. Just look at [this](https://gyazo.com/ca90d34e784debaf99b73cef6c00731e)!!! I’ve been vetted by many members of the competitive community. I was AWOLGamer’s main ACI streaming admin in absence of higher ranked members – for two years dating back to 2013. I was the ACI streaming admin for one of the original Domination servers along with tK-Null. I’ve operated and monitored Domination servers during CEVO rounds. I’ve been consulted by ADK to help them with an issue in their own server and ranks – I was able to find out who was cleating, ban him, and ensure he never came back to BF4 – this was two years ago and he hasn’t. I’ve been reported thousands of times, and not once has anyone found justifiable cause to ban me. I have credibility. You don’t. You may want to pick a fight with someone who can’t defend themselves, because from where I stand, when you ban someone from your site to keep them from defending themselves you’re already proving you can’t handle a fight when it’s brought back to you. ---
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I´am not discussing any ACI matter here in this forum! I just wrote my personal opinion about BF4DB and that it is useless in my opinion. We don´t need such a “Anti-Cheat” organization! You are so far away from being an Anti-Cheat organization as an elephant from riding a bycicle, that´s all! [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4db-is-back-again/104815.md?page=2) [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4db-is-back-again/104815.md?page=4)