# BF5 and The Last Tiger **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 30, 2019, 2:39am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf5-and-the-last-tiger/106804 "2019-03-30T02:39:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ThundercrackerXx](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/6de8d8/32.png) [@ThundercrackerXx](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ThundercrackerXx)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2019, 2:39am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf5-and-the-last-tiger/106804/1 "2019-03-30T02:39:00Z")
The only thing worth playing in this game is the Last Tiger Mission. It way too short and i could of did without all the propaganda at the end. The Last Tiger war story is what the whole campaign should of been in the first place. EA ¯\_(ツ)\_/¯ is a disgrace of a company. Still the last tiger mission was epic ---
**Author:** ![PoppaPappo](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/ebca7d/32.png) [@PoppaPappo](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/PoppaPappo)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2019, 3:19am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf5-and-the-last-tiger/106804/2 "2019-03-30T03:19:00Z")
What propaganda? ---
**Author:** ![llPhantom\_Limbll](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/llphantom_limbll/32/102656_2.png) [@llPhantom\_Limbll](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/llPhantom_Limbll)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2019, 6:25am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf5-and-the-last-tiger/106804/3 "2019-03-30T06:25:00Z")
Someone cares about SP campaign? ---
**Author:** ![ragnarok013](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/ragnarok013/32/103211_2.png) [@ragnarok013](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ragnarok013)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2019, 3:14pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf5-and-the-last-tiger/106804/4 "2019-03-30T15:14:00Z")
> [@llPhantom\_Limbll](#): > > Someone cares about SP campaign? I’m actually tempted to play it for the Tiger I skin @lPhantom\_Limbll ---
**Author:** ![LOLGotYerTags](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/lolgotyertags/32/101041_2.png) [@LOLGotYerTags](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/LOLGotYerTags)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2019, 6:49pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf5-and-the-last-tiger/106804/5 "2019-03-30T18:49:00Z")
> [@PoppaPappo](#): > > What propaganda? He is probably referring to the part where the German commander has the epiphany that what he was fighting for was wrong and the sudden realisation that once his friend was shot that he got it all wrong. ---
**Author:** ![PoppaPappo](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/ebca7d/32.png) [@PoppaPappo](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/PoppaPappo)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2019, 7:03pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf5-and-the-last-tiger/106804/6 "2019-03-30T19:03:00Z")
> [@LOLGotYerTags](#): > > > [@PoppaPappo](#): > > > > What propaganda? > > He is probably referring to the part where the German commander has the epiphany that what he was fighting for was wrong and the sudden realisation that once his friend was shot that he got it all wrong. Really? How is that “propaganda?” ---
**Author:** ![Stahlmach](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@Stahlmach](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Stahlmach)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2019, 7:06pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf5-and-the-last-tiger/106804/7 "2019-03-30T19:06:00Z")
> [@LOLGotYerTags](#): > > > [@PoppaPappo](#): > > > > What propaganda? > > He is probably referring to the part where the German commander has the epiphany that what he was fighting for was wrong and the sudden realisation that once his friend was shot that he got it all wrong. To me it was the wrong quotes at the end and the cowardice of Dice to not be at least honest about who actually said some of the Quotes. You know that austrian guy… And again that SJW stupidity in the end credits about " Men ". I had no problem at all with the acting of the german Commander, especially when thinking about the stories my grandgrandfather and my grandfather told me about their experiences in the war. And my grandfather was a Tank Commander. Both survived. ---
**Author:** ![PoppaPappo](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/ebca7d/32.png) [@PoppaPappo](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/PoppaPappo)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2019, 7:12pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf5-and-the-last-tiger/106804/8 "2019-03-30T19:12:00Z")
> [@Stahlmach](#): > > > [@LOLGotYerTags](#): > > > > > [@PoppaPappo](#): > > > > > > What propaganda? > > > > He is probably referring to the part where the German commander has the epiphany that what he was fighting for was wrong and the sudden realisation that once his friend was shot that he got it all wrong. > > To me it was the wrong quotes at the end and the cowardice of Dice to be at least honest about who actually said some of the Quotes. You know that austrian guy… > And again that SJW stupidity in the end credits about " Men ". > I had no problem at all with the acting of the german Commander, especially when thinking about the stories my grandgrandfather and my grandfather told me about their experiences in the war. And my grandfather was a Tank Commander. Both survived. Ah, I get what you’re saying about the quotes. That, to me, is more a kind of political correctness than anything else. I was questioning the use of the term “propaganda,” which is a loaded term and has a very specific definition. I was wondering if there was actually propaganda or if the OP was just being inflammatory and hyperbolic. ---
**Author:** ![Stahlmach](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@Stahlmach](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Stahlmach)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2019, 7:18pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf5-and-the-last-tiger/106804/9 "2019-03-30T19:18:00Z")
> [@PoppaPappo](#): > > > [@Stahlmach](#): > > > > > [@LOLGotYerTags](#): > > > > > > > [@PoppaPappo](#): > > > > > > > > What propaganda? > > > > > > He is probably referring to the part where the German commander has the epiphany that what he was fighting for was wrong and the sudden realisation that once his friend was shot that he got it all wrong. > > > > To me it was the wrong quotes at the end and the cowardice of Dice to be at least honest about who actually said some of the Quotes. You know that austrian guy… > > And again that SJW stupidity in the end credits about " Men ". > > I had no problem at all with the acting of the german Commander, especially when thinking about the stories my grandgrandfather and my grandfather told me about their experiences in the war. And my grandfather was a Tank Commander. Both survived. > > Ah, I get what you’re saying about the quotes. That, to me, is more a kind of political correctness than anything else. I was questioning the use of the term “propaganda,” which is a loaded term and has a very specific definition. I was wondering if there was actually propaganda or if the OP was just being inflammatory and hyperbolic. I honestly see no " Propaganda " in the original sense in it and i made one of my degrees on the works and Life of Edward Bernays who can be seen as the father of modern PR and Propaganda while his Book and work heavily impressed and influenced Joseph Goebbels and his Idea how to turn a whole state into a Propaganda instrument. One shouldnt of course forget that the term Propaganda meant in the 20s and 30s something different than now. But Storywise - and in some sense " historically " - i see " The last Tiger " far more " normal " than " Nordlys " which is just the worst. In fact i would be that someone at Dice was influenced about known incident of a panther Tank fighting a Pershing infront of the Cologne Cathedral. Because although the City is never mentioned it is in my opinion Cologne with the Hohenzollern Bridge where the end happens and what can be seen at the beginning when the Tank drives by the " Traitors ". But that is of course just speculation. ---
**Author:** ![llPhantom\_Limbll](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/llphantom_limbll/32/102656_2.png) [@llPhantom\_Limbll](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/llPhantom_Limbll)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2019, 7:20pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf5-and-the-last-tiger/106804/10 "2019-03-30T19:20:00Z")
> [@ragnarok013](#): > > > [@llPhantom\_Limbll](#): > > > > Someone cares about SP campaign? > > I’m actually tempted to play it for the Tiger I skin @lPhantom\_Limbll Well the skin is nice and all that. I wish Tiger I itself wasn’t a mediocre tank in bfv… ---
**Author:** ![Stahlmach](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@Stahlmach](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Stahlmach)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2019, 7:23pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf5-and-the-last-tiger/106804/11 "2019-03-30T19:23:00Z")
> [@llPhantom\_Limbll](#): > > > [@ragnarok013](#): > > > > > [@llPhantom\_Limbll](#): > > > > > > Someone cares about SP campaign? > > > > I’m actually tempted to play it for the Tiger I skin @lPhantom\_Limbll > > Well the skin is nice and all that. I wish Tiger I itself wasn’t a mediocre tank in bfv… Same here. It so sad and sometimes infuriating that in fact the Tiger is the weakest Tank in the Game. You can sense that it was just put into the game for Marketing purposes without any further thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Pyr0Plazma](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/pyr0plazma/32/106472_2.png) [@Pyr0Plazma](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Pyr0Plazma)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2019, 9:20pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf5-and-the-last-tiger/106804/12 "2019-03-30T21:20:00Z")
> [@Stahlmach](#): > > > [@llPhantom\_Limbll](#): > > > > > [@ragnarok013](#): > > > > > > > [@llPhantom\_Limbll](#): > > > > > > > > Someone cares about SP campaign? > > > > > > I’m actually tempted to play it for the Tiger I skin @lPhantom\_Limbll > > > > Well the skin is nice and all that. I wish Tiger I itself wasn’t a mediocre tank in bfv… > > Same here. It so sad and sometimes infuriating that in fact the Tiger is the weakest Tank in the Game. You can sense that it was just put into the game for Marketing purposes without any further thinking. It wasn’t that great of a tank IRL either though… ---
**Author:** ![herodes87](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/a587f6/32.png) [@herodes87](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/herodes87)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2019, 9:55pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf5-and-the-last-tiger/106804/13 "2019-03-30T21:55:00Z")
> [@Pyr0Plazma](#): > > > [@Stahlmach](#): > > > > > [@llPhantom\_Limbll](#): > > > > > > > [@ragnarok013](#): > > > > > > > > > [@llPhantom\_Limbll](#): > > > > > > > > > > Someone cares about SP campaign? > > > > > > > > I’m actually tempted to play it for the Tiger I skin @lPhantom\_Limbll > > > > > > Well the skin is nice and all that. I wish Tiger I itself wasn’t a mediocre tank in bfv… > > > > Same here. It so sad and sometimes infuriating that in fact the Tiger is the weakest Tank in the Game. You can sense that it was just put into the game for Marketing purposes without any further thinking. > > It wasn’t that great of a tank IRL either though… At Open field and longe range it was. ---
**Author:** ![Pyr0Plazma](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/pyr0plazma/32/106472_2.png) [@Pyr0Plazma](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Pyr0Plazma)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2019, 9:57pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf5-and-the-last-tiger/106804/14 "2019-03-30T21:57:00Z")
> [@herodes87](#): > > > [@Pyr0Plazma](#): > > > > > [@Stahlmach](#): > > > > > > > [@llPhantom\_Limbll](#): > > > > > > > > > [@ragnarok013](#): > > > > > > > > > > > [@llPhantom\_Limbll](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > Someone cares about SP campaign? > > > > > > > > > > I’m actually tempted to play it for the Tiger I skin @lPhantom\_Limbll > > > > > > > > Well the skin is nice and all that. I wish Tiger I itself wasn’t a mediocre tank in bfv… > > > > > > Same here. It so sad and sometimes infuriating that in fact the Tiger is the weakest Tank in the Game. You can sense that it was just put into the game for Marketing purposes without any further thinking. > > > > It wasn’t that great of a tank IRL either though… > > At Open field and longe range it was. Any tank is good in an open field lol, also the Tiger I wasn’t any better at “Long Range” than most other tanks. Average Tank v Tank engagements were sub 900 meters. ---
**Author:** ![herodes87](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/a587f6/32.png) [@herodes87](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/herodes87)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2019, 10:07pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf5-and-the-last-tiger/106804/15 "2019-03-30T22:07:00Z")
Tiger killed T34 at 2000 Meter distance. Russians and Americans had No Chance against at a Tiger in range. Armour and the Cannon were Well better then the Allied ones. ---
**Author:** ![Pyr0Plazma](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/pyr0plazma/32/106472_2.png) [@Pyr0Plazma](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Pyr0Plazma)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2019, 10:50pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf5-and-the-last-tiger/106804/16 "2019-03-30T22:50:00Z")
> [@herodes87](#): > > Tiger killed T34 at 2000 Meter distance. Russians and Americans had No Chance against at a Tiger in range. Armour and the Cannon were Well better then the Allied ones. sign… Maximum range/=/max **EFFECTIVE RANGE** /=/Average engagement distance. There is no record of a Tiger I ever scoring a kill at 2,000 meters. Most of the time crews wouldn’t even bother firing above 1,000 meters. [http://tankarchives.blogspot.com/2013/08/combat-performance-of-75-cm-and-88-cm.html](http://tankarchives.blogspot.com/2013/08/combat-performance-of-75-cm-and-88-cm.html) ---
**Author:** ![Stahlmach](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@Stahlmach](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Stahlmach)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2019, 11:03pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf5-and-the-last-tiger/106804/17 "2019-03-30T23:03:00Z")
> [@Pyr0Plazma](#): > > > [@Stahlmach](#): > > > > > [@llPhantom\_Limbll](#): > > > > > > > [@ragnarok013](#): > > > > > > > > > [@llPhantom\_Limbll](#): > > > > > > > > > > Someone cares about SP campaign? > > > > > > > > I’m actually tempted to play it for the Tiger I skin @lPhantom\_Limbll > > > > > > Well the skin is nice and all that. I wish Tiger I itself wasn’t a mediocre tank in bfv… > > > > Same here. It so sad and sometimes infuriating that in fact the Tiger is the weakest Tank in the Game. You can sense that it was just put into the game for Marketing purposes without any further thinking. > > It wasn’t that great of a tank IRL either though… Oh please enlighten me on the countless Battles it lost against Staghounds, Valentines and Churchills… It was a good Tank that had certain technical problems but not up to the point where some people in the last years want to put him. That is just as false as the other way where some people show it as an unstoppable Tank. Only experienced tanks crews were allowed to get into a Tiger when the Tank became part of the Wehrmacht and it hold its ground up to the end of the war with showing an amazing K/D ratio, especially on the eastern front where the majority of them saw action. I know that you need balance in an Online shooter but the Tiger in this Game is just a weak shadow of it real life counterpart. And one example of the problems you get when putting Vehicles of different timelines in a game where you claim that its still 1940 combined with different Upgrade trees. And on a personal Note: I read almost all the relevant literature regarding german warfare and especially german Tank warfare in WW2. And it for sure enlarged my knowledge that my grandfather survived the War in a Panzer IV, a Tiger and a Panther G to give me his personal View about the performances of these Vehicles. While also serving twelve years in the Bundeswehr and once getting my Butt saved by a Leopard 2 in Mitrovica when tenthousands of Kosova -Albanians wanted to murder their serbian Neighbours. And me and my Unit on that way too. Personally i weigh this knowledge much, much more valuable unlike the " wisdom " either some Wehraboos on the one side, or some " Hurr durr Tiger so useless " keyboard warriors on the other side. And no i dont mean personally you when saying that, just to get that clear. I mean that in general. ---
**Author:** ![Pyr0Plazma](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/pyr0plazma/32/106472_2.png) [@Pyr0Plazma](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Pyr0Plazma)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2019, 11:41pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf5-and-the-last-tiger/106804/18 "2019-03-30T23:41:00Z")
> [@Stahlmach](#): > > > [@Pyr0Plazma](#): > > > > > [@Stahlmach](#): > > > > > > > [@llPhantom\_Limbll](#): > > > > > > > > > [@ragnarok013](#): > > > > > > > > > > > [@llPhantom\_Limbll](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > Someone cares about SP campaign? > > > > > > > > > > I’m actually tempted to play it for the Tiger I skin @lPhantom\_Limbll > > > > > > > > Well the skin is nice and all that. I wish Tiger I itself wasn’t a mediocre tank in bfv… > > > > > > Same here. It so sad and sometimes infuriating that in fact the Tiger is the weakest Tank in the Game. You can sense that it was just put into the game for Marketing purposes without any further thinking. > > > > It wasn’t that great of a tank IRL either though… > > Oh please enlighten me on the countless Battles it lost against Staghounds, Valentines and Churchills… > It was a good Tank that had certain technical problems but not up to the point where some people in the last years want to put him. That is just as false as the other way where some people show it as an unstoppable Tank. > Only experienced tanks crews were allowed to get into a Tiger when the Tank became part of the Wehrmacht and it hold its ground up to the end of the war with showing an amazing K/D ratio, especially on the eastern front where the majority of them saw action. > > I know that you need balance in an Online shooter but the Tiger in this Game is just a weak shadow of it real life counterpart. And one example of the problems you get when putting Vehicles of different timelines in a game where you > claim that its still 1940 combined with different Upgrade trees. > > And on a personal Note: I read almost all the relevant literature regarding german warfare and especially german Tank warfare in WW2. And it for sure enlarged my knowledge that my grandfather survived the War in a Panzer IV, a Tiger and a Panther G to give me his personal View about the performances of these Vehicles. While also serving twelve years in the Bundeswehr and once getting my Butt saved by a Leopard 2 in Mitrovica when tenthousands of Kosova -Albanians wanted to murder their serbian Neighbours. And me and my Unit on that way too. > Personally i weigh this knowledge much, much more valuable unlike the " wisdom " either some Wehraboos on the one side, or some " Hurr durr Tiger so useless " keyboard warriors on the other side. And no i dont mean personally you when saying that, just to get that clear. I mean that in general. [removed for bait] ---
**Author:** ![PoppaPappo](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/ebca7d/32.png) [@PoppaPappo](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/PoppaPappo)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2019, 12:08am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf5-and-the-last-tiger/106804/19 "2019-03-31T00:08:00Z")
> [@Stahlmach](#): > > > [@PoppaPappo](#): > > > > > [@Stahlmach](#): > > > > > > > [@LOLGotYerTags](#): > > > > > > > > > [@PoppaPappo](#): > > > > > > > > > > What propaganda? > > > > > > > > He is probably referring to the part where the German commander has the epiphany that what he was fighting for was wrong and the sudden realisation that once his friend was shot that he got it all wrong. > > > > > > To me it was the wrong quotes at the end and the cowardice of Dice to be at least honest about who actually said some of the Quotes. You know that austrian guy… > > > And again that SJW stupidity in the end credits about " Men ". > > > I had no problem at all with the acting of the german Commander, especially when thinking about the stories my grandgrandfather and my grandfather told me about their experiences in the war. And my grandfather was a Tank Commander. Both survived. > > > > Ah, I get what you’re saying about the quotes. That, to me, is more a kind of political correctness than anything else. I was questioning the use of the term “propaganda,” which is a loaded term and has a very specific definition. I was wondering if there was actually propaganda or if the OP was just being inflammatory and hyperbolic. > > I honestly see no " Propaganda " in the original sense in it and i made one of my degrees on the works and Life of Edward Bernays who can be seen as the father of modern PR and Propaganda while his Book and work heavily impressed and influenced Joseph Goebbels and his Idea how to turn a whole state into a Propaganda instrument. One shouldnt of course forget that the term Propaganda meant in the 20s and 30s something different than now. > But Storywise - and in some sense " historically " - i see " The last Tiger " far more " normal " than " Nordlys " which is just the worst. > In fact i would be that someone at Dice was influenced about known incident of a panther Tank fighting a Pershing infront of the Cologne Cathedral. Because although the City is never mentioned it is in my opinion Cologne with the Hohenzollern Bridge where the end happens and what can be seen at the beginning when the Tank drives by the " Traitors ". But that is of course just speculation. Ah, Nordlys. I wasn’t bothered by that either. I just took it as historical fiction, just like “Saving Private Ryan” or “Band of Brothers.” I never saw BF5 advertised as some authentic, historically accurate thing. I’d be upset if someone presented Nordlys in a PBS documentary, or a book by someone like John Keegan, or a university lecture, or whatever. But, this isn’t any of those things. It’s a video game made for pure entertainment. BF5 was never advertised as anything more than a WW2 _themed_ arcade shooter. It was never advertised as some sort of intellectual treatise on World War 2. Anyone who expected that made it up in their own head and can’t really blame DICE. ---
**Author:** ![UraniumReaper](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/uraniumreaper/32/103950_2.png) [@UraniumReaper](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/UraniumReaper)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2019, 3:29am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf5-and-the-last-tiger/106804/20 "2019-03-31T03:29:00Z")
> [@Pyr0Plazma](#): > > > [@Stahlmach](#): > > > > > [@Pyr0Plazma](#): > > > > > > > [@Stahlmach](#): > > > > > > > > > [@llPhantom\_Limbll](#): > > > > > > > > > > > [@ragnarok013](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@llPhantom\_Limbll](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Someone cares about SP campaign? > > > > > > > > > > > > I’m actually tempted to play it for the Tiger I skin @lPhantom\_Limbll > > > > > > > > > > Well the skin is nice and all that. I wish Tiger I itself wasn’t a mediocre tank in bfv… > > > > > > > > Same here. It so sad and sometimes infuriating that in fact the Tiger is the weakest Tank in the Game. You can sense that it was just put into the game for Marketing purposes without any further thinking. > > > > > > It wasn’t that great of a tank IRL either though… > > > > Oh please enlighten me on the countless Battles it lost against Staghounds, Valentines and Churchills… > > It was a good Tank that had certain technical problems but not up to the point where some people in the last years want to put him. That is just as false as the other way where some people show it as an unstoppable Tank. > > Only experienced tanks crews were allowed to get into a Tiger when the Tank became part of the Wehrmacht and it hold its ground up to the end of the war with showing an amazing K/D ratio, especially on the eastern front where the majority of them saw action. > > > > I know that you need balance in an Online shooter but the Tiger in this Game is just a weak shadow of it real life counterpart. And one example of the problems you get when putting Vehicles of different timelines in a game where you > > claim that its still 1940 combined with different Upgrade trees. > > > > And on a personal Note: I read almost all the relevant literature regarding german warfare and especially german Tank warfare in WW2. And it for sure enlarged my knowledge that my grandfather survived the War in a Panzer IV, a Tiger and a Panther G to give me his personal View about the performances of these Vehicles. While also serving twelve years in the Bundeswehr and once getting my Butt saved by a Leopard 2 in Mitrovica when tenthousands of Kosova -Albanians wanted to murder their serbian Neighbours. And me and my Unit on that way too. > > Personally i weigh this knowledge much, much more valuable unlike the " wisdom " either some Wehraboos on the one side, or some " Hurr durr Tiger so useless " keyboard warriors on the other side. And no i dont mean personally you when saying that, just to get that clear. I mean that in general. > > [removed for bait] Couldn’t most of those werhaboo things be flipped around for any one? If the guy had family that fought in the war in the exact tank we are talking about wouldn’t they have a little more firsthand info? I mean thats if they are being honest. [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf5-and-the-last-tiger/106804.md?page=2)