# BFV is a campy, try hard, insta death bore. **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 30, 2019, 4:41pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bfv-is-a-campy-try-hard-insta-death-bore/106962 "2019-05-30T16:41:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![BURGERKRIEG](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@BURGERKRIEG](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BURGERKRIEG)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 4:41pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bfv-is-a-campy-try-hard-insta-death-bore/106962/1 "2019-05-30T16:41:00Z")
That’s how I saw it described on the forums the week and it’s true. There is only a minority of players enjoying it. Most people don’t like the core gameplay experience. This is why servers are being shut down 8 months into the game’s life cycle. It’s not because of lack of content or that there is stuttering on PC or that some assignment is bugged. Or this issue or that gripe. Unless this fact is admitted and addressed by overhauling the gameplay the player base will continue to rapidly dwindle. ---
**Author:** ![CHAMMOND1992](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/82dd89/32.png) [@CHAMMOND1992](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/CHAMMOND1992)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 4:48pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bfv-is-a-campy-try-hard-insta-death-bore/106962/2 "2019-05-30T16:48:00Z")
Wrong. A major part is lack of content, whether its, rank, medals, maps, skins and so on. ---
**Author:** ![trip1ex](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/779978/32.png) [@trip1ex](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/trip1ex)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 4:56pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bfv-is-a-campy-try-hard-insta-death-bore/106962/3 "2019-05-30T16:56:00Z")
OP is right. Except they aren’t going to overhaul the gameplay. Too much work, too little time. That will be done in BF6. (Crosses fingers.) You’re stuck with the girl you brought to the dance at this point. You can buy her a new dress and some makeup and give her a shower. But still the same girl. You won’t get a new girl until BF6. ---
**Author:** ![marcanthony421](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/c67d28/32.png) [@marcanthony421](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/marcanthony421)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 5:00pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bfv-is-a-campy-try-hard-insta-death-bore/106962/4 "2019-05-30T17:00:00Z")
It is a campy mess but maybe its cuz im try hard but i do enjoy the core gameplay, i look at the camping meta as separate from the core of the game that’s super lethal gunplay and a reliance on teammates to get the job done. Sure i’d much rather lone wolf it, but if camping werent the meta i think i’d have infinitely more fun because the core is solid. Its the meta that needs work. ---
**Author:** ![OskooI\_007](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/oskooi_007/32/103046_2.png) [@OskooI\_007](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/OskooI_007)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 5:02pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bfv-is-a-campy-try-hard-insta-death-bore/106962/5 "2019-05-30T17:02:00Z")
I completely agree with the OP. BFV gameplay is campy due to low recoil weapons and a fast TTK. It rewards stationary defensive gameplay. Also known as turret strategy. Then there’s the low visibility issue compounding the camping even further. Players just get frustrated, bored, and find a new game to play. ---
**Author:** ![MarxistDictator](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/marxistdictator/32/102751_2.png) [@MarxistDictator](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MarxistDictator)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 5:08pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bfv-is-a-campy-try-hard-insta-death-bore/106962/6 "2019-05-30T17:08:00Z")
BF V decided to forgo fun in favor of tedious gameplay mechanics. The second they announced live service I felt my hype flatline. Battlefront 2 was too fresh an experience to pretend like they were going to try any harder and I didn’t even play that game. ---
**Author:** ![Trokey66](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/trokey66/32/103889_2.png) [@Trokey66](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Trokey66)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 5:40pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bfv-is-a-campy-try-hard-insta-death-bore/106962/7 "2019-05-30T17:40:00Z")
> [@OskooI\_007](#): > > I completely agree with the OP. BFV gameplay is campy due to low recoil weapons and a fast TTK. It rewards stationary defensive gameplay. Also known as turrent strategy. > > Then there’s the low visibility issue compounding the camping even further. Players just get frustrated, bored, and find a new game to play. Although I don’t find visibility _rhat_ much of an issue, I also agree. The hardcore lite approach has sapped a lot of fun out of the game for too many players I fear. ---
**Author:** ![BURGERKRIEG](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@BURGERKRIEG](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BURGERKRIEG)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 5:40pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bfv-is-a-campy-try-hard-insta-death-bore/106962/8 "2019-05-30T17:40:00Z")
> [@](#): > > > [@OskooI\_007](#): > > > > I completely agree with the OP. BFV gameplay is campy due to low recoil weapons and a fast TTK. It rewards stationary defensive gameplay. Also known as turrent strategy. > > > > Then there’s the low visibility issue compounding the camping even further. Players just get frustrated, bored, and find a new game to play. > > Agreed. > > These are the two major issues that the current supporters of the gameplay won’t entertain as a major problem. > > Yet the facts still stand. > > Base game features are being cut due to the fact the are no longer sustainable. > > Servers are officially confirmed as being switched off in the U.K. and Ohio. > > This is happening because of the 7 million people who did buy the game, there aren’t enough playing to merit the expense of paying for the servers. > > EA won’t even make the player count public. That speaks volumes. > > ”But I like it.” isn’t a solution. Continuing without revising the gameplay will not reverse the decline of the title. ---
**Author:** ![clouseau2112](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/cab0a1/32.png) [@clouseau2112](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/clouseau2112)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 5:43pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bfv-is-a-campy-try-hard-insta-death-bore/106962/9 "2019-05-30T17:43:00Z")
Lol…the negativity on these forums is laughable. You guys sure spend a lot of time on this forum…complaining about a game you loathe, lol. Makes sense, not. Seriously…ALL shooters have campers, hello. Insta death…feels more realistic to me, so not sure where you’re going on that comment. And…at least DICE focused this battlefield more on team emphasis than in previous titles. Works great if you have a squad communicating. ---
**Author:** ![BURGERKRIEG](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@BURGERKRIEG](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BURGERKRIEG)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 6:04pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bfv-is-a-campy-try-hard-insta-death-bore/106962/10 "2019-05-30T18:04:00Z")
> [@clouseau2112](#): > > Lol…the negativity on these forums is laughable. You guys sure spend a lot of time on this forum…complaining about a game you loathe, lol. Makes sense, not. > > Seriously…ALL shooters have campers, hello. Insta death…feels more realistic to me, so not sure where you’re going on that comment. > > And…at least DICE focused this battlefield more on team emphasis than in previous titles. Works great if you have a squad communicating. All this “lol you criers” doesn’t stop the servers being shut down does it? Arguing for the status quo is worthless. ---
**Author:** ![MinZhuZhongGuo](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/49beb7/32.png) [@MinZhuZhongGuo](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MinZhuZhongGuo)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 6:15pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bfv-is-a-campy-try-hard-insta-death-bore/106962/11 "2019-05-30T18:15:00Z")
> [@clouseau2112](#): > > Lol…the negativity on these forums is laughable. You guys sure spend a lot of time on this forum…complaining about a game you loathe, lol. Makes sense, not. > > Seriously…ALL shooters have campers, hello. Insta death…feels more realistic to me, so not sure where you’re going on that comment. > > And…at least DICE focused this battlefield more on team emphasis than in previous titles. Works great if you have a squad communicating. well, I do see BFV dying thanks to its crappy gameplay. The number of active servers are even fewer than the very last moment of BF1. There are reasons why ‘Core Community’ complain about campy gameplay mechanics and prone meta. ---
**Author:** ![BURGERKRIEG](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@BURGERKRIEG](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BURGERKRIEG)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 6:22pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bfv-is-a-campy-try-hard-insta-death-bore/106962/12 "2019-05-30T18:22:00Z")
Change or die. It is simple. Doing more of the same thing will only intensify the current problem. Sticking with the current course, pretending the original plan was sound and driving the ship deeper into the iceberg is madness. ---
**Author:** ![OskooI\_007](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/oskooi_007/32/103046_2.png) [@OskooI\_007](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/OskooI_007)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 6:27pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bfv-is-a-campy-try-hard-insta-death-bore/106962/13 "2019-05-30T18:27:00Z")
It’s too late for BFV, the players have moved on. We can only hope DICE learns from BFV’s hardcore-lite gameplay with it’s fast TTK, low recoil weapons, health and ammo attrition that drove players away. DICE likes to start over from scratch with each new Battlefield. That approach has never been needed more than with the next one they come out with. ---
**Author:** ![abc1434286920](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/f08c70/32.png) [@abc1434286920](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/abc1434286920)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 6:41pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bfv-is-a-campy-try-hard-insta-death-bore/106962/14 "2019-05-30T18:41:00Z")
> [@clouseau2112](#): > > Lol…the negativity on these forums is laughable. You guys sure spend a lot of time on this forum…complaining about a game you loathe, lol. Makes sense, not. > > Seriously…ALL shooters have campers, hello. Insta death…feels more realistic to me, so not sure where you’re going on that comment. > > And…at least DICE focused this battlefield more on team emphasis than in previous titles. Works great if you have a squad communicating. Can we not be critical of the game but also (somewhat) enjoy it? There is no denying that the lackluster interest shown in the game at launch but also now, less than a year after release, is indeed related to the semi hardcore approach. But also the launch drama, lack of content, performance issues, balance etc etc. Which is why they are backtracking some decisions made on the semi hardcore but unfortunately we are also losing content in the process (modes and servers disappearing). Live service is the middle finger to all of us, on top of their conceptual approach to the game. ---
**Author:** ![parkingbrake](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/ee7513/32.png) [@parkingbrake](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/parkingbrake)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 6:49pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bfv-is-a-campy-try-hard-insta-death-bore/106962/15 "2019-05-30T18:49:00Z")
> [@BURGERKRIEG](#): > > That’s how I saw it described on the forums the week and it’s true. > > There is only a minority of players enjoying it. Most people don’t like the core gameplay experience. > > This is why servers are being shut down 8 months into the game’s life cycle. It’s not because of lack of content or that there is stuttering on PC or that some assignment is bugged. Or this issue or that gripe. > > Unless this fact is admitted and addressed by overhauling the gameplay the player base will continue to rapidly dwindle. Opinions are like, ummm, noses, everybody has one. I don’t find the gameplay a problem, most of the things that bother me in BFV qualify as outside issues, like the horrible Live Service business model that has provided little new content, the weak anti-cheat, the poor network performance (DICE has now admitted the “stuttering” is happening on consoles too) and of course the lack of rented servers (which they claim are coming back). You’re free talk yourself into believing that everyone but you is prone with a machine-gun, but I don’t see that, most of the opponents I engage are on their feet. If this game had launched with rented servers and paid DLC resulting in many more new maps there would be a lot more people playing, and it wouldn’t be necessary for guys like you to moan about the game being “campy” and blaming that for declining player counts. You can like or dislike what you please–don’t assume you speak for the majority. ---
**Author:** ![trip1ex](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/779978/32.png) [@trip1ex](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/trip1ex)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 6:53pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bfv-is-a-campy-try-hard-insta-death-bore/106962/16 "2019-05-30T18:53:00Z")
Hey nothing wrong with complaining as long as you are giving reasons for your complaining. I could do without all the complaining with no reasoning. Although at this point do we have to give any reasoning? Most of the reasoning has been given 1000x over. I get to the point where I just post more andmore in shorthand basically and if you want the reasons read the old posts. Bad enough that by the time you get on page 2 of any thread you get the same questions and dumb comments that were either answered or countered on the first page. ---
**Author:** ![Kattegat\_Twin](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/kattegat_twin/32/102472_2.png) [@Kattegat\_Twin](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Kattegat_Twin)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 7:20pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bfv-is-a-campy-try-hard-insta-death-bore/106962/17 "2019-05-30T19:20:00Z")
> [@parkingbrake](#): > > You’re free talk yourself into believing that everyone but you is prone with a machine-gun, but I don’t see that, most of the opponents I engage are on their feet. I think with a lot of these players, just one prone MMG guy wrecking them is enough to boil their blood and get their forum fingers all twitchy… By the time they’ve posted their rant, it’s turned into “literally everyone but me is a noob on their bellies with an MMG or Boys AT. GG DICE u suck lolz”. ---
**Author:** ![BURGERKRIEG](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@BURGERKRIEG](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BURGERKRIEG)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 7:25pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bfv-is-a-campy-try-hard-insta-death-bore/106962/18 "2019-05-30T19:25:00Z")
> [@parkingbrake](#): > > > [@BURGERKRIEG](#): > > > > That’s how I saw it described on the forums the week and it’s true. > > > > There is only a minority of players enjoying it. Most people don’t like the core gameplay experience. > > > > This is why servers are being shut down 8 months into the game’s life cycle. It’s not because of lack of content or that there is stuttering on PC or that some assignment is bugged. Or this issue or that gripe. > > > > Unless this fact is admitted and addressed by overhauling the gameplay the player base will continue to rapidly dwindle. > > Opinions are like, ummm, noses, everybody has one. > > I don’t find the gameplay a problem, most of the things that bother me in BFV qualify as outside issues, like the horrible Live Service business model that has provided little new content, the weak anti-cheat, the poor network performance (DICE has now admitted the “stuttering” is happening on consoles too) and of course the lack of rented servers (which they claim are coming back). > > You’re free talk yourself into believing that everyone but you is prone with a machine-gun, but I don’t see that, most of the opponents I engage are on their feet. If this game had launched with rented servers and paid DLC resulting in many more new maps there would be a lot more people playing, and it wouldn’t be necessary for guys like you to moan about the game being “campy” and blaming that for declining player counts. You can like or dislike what you please–don’t assume you speak for the majority. You just don’t want to hear it. All the BF games had bugs. Network issues etc. This one is failing to retain a player base. That can’t be ascribed the business model entirely. ---
**Author:** ![ez4u2hit](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/dc4da7/32.png) [@ez4u2hit](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ez4u2hit)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 8:11pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bfv-is-a-campy-try-hard-insta-death-bore/106962/19 "2019-05-30T20:11:00Z")
> [@BURGERKRIEG](#): > > That’s how I saw it described on the forums the week and it’s true.There is only a minority of players enjoying it. Most people don’t like the core gameplay experience. This is why servers are being shut down 8 months into the game’s life cycle. It’s not because of lack of content or that there is stuttering on PC or that some assignment is bugged. Or this issue or that gripe. > Unless this fact is admitted and addressed by overhauling the gameplay the player base will continue to rapidly dwindle. Well said. I tried very hard to enjoy bf1 and struggled through to level 50 but barely got any of my achievements done or perks unlocked. Level 150’s were dominating every game, I never even saw who killed me once. My kd was around 0.2. I was hoping BFV would be different but all the hardcore bf1 guys switched over. ---
**Author:** ![CHAMMOND1992](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/82dd89/32.png) [@CHAMMOND1992](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/CHAMMOND1992)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 8:11pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bfv-is-a-campy-try-hard-insta-death-bore/106962/20 "2019-05-30T20:11:00Z")
> [@BURGERKRIEG](#): > > > [@parkingbrake](#): > > > > > [@BURGERKRIEG](#): > > > > > > That’s how I saw it described on the forums the week and it’s true. > > > > > > There is only a minority of players enjoying it. Most people don’t like the core gameplay experience. > > > > > > This is why servers are being shut down 8 months into the game’s life cycle. It’s not because of lack of content or that there is stuttering on PC or that some assignment is bugged. Or this issue or that gripe. > > > > > > Unless this fact is admitted and addressed by overhauling the gameplay the player base will continue to rapidly dwindle. > > > > Opinions are like, ummm, noses, everybody has one. > > > > I don’t find the gameplay a problem, most of the things that bother me in BFV qualify as outside issues, like the horrible Live Service business model that has provided little new content, the weak anti-cheat, the poor network performance (DICE has now admitted the “stuttering” is happening on consoles too) and of course the lack of rented servers (which they claim are coming back). > > > > You’re free talk yourself into believing that everyone but you is prone with a machine-gun, but I don’t see that, most of the opponents I engage are on their feet. If this game had launched with rented servers and paid DLC resulting in many more new maps there would be a lot more people playing, and it wouldn’t be necessary for guys like you to moan about the game being “campy” and blaming that for declining player counts. You can like or dislike what you please–don’t assume you speak for the majority. > > You just don’t want to hear it. All the BF games had bugs. Network issues etc. This one is failing to retain a player base. That can’t be ascribed the business model entirely. The very idea that you think the game play is the core issue here shows you have selecting hearing. If BFV had a solid launch and content on par with BF4 or BF3, BFV wouldn’t be a mess. This TTK nonsense all started with BF1, even though BF4 and BF3 had very similar TTK. BF3 still retains the fastest gameplay of any BF I have played. Bunny hopping, high sprint speed( increased further with perk), hardly any rock, paper, scissor balance philosophy, and people still regard it as one of the better titles. [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bfv-is-a-campy-try-hard-insta-death-bore/106962.md?page=2)