# Black German soldiers on European front? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 16, 2016, 11:20am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/black-german-soldiers-on-european-front/102159 "2016-06-16T11:20:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![HeilHotlar](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/f1d935/32.png) [@HeilHotlar](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/HeilHotlar)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 5:09pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/black-german-soldiers-on-european-front/102159/21 "2016-06-16T17:09:00Z")
European Albino shut-ins LOL ---
**Author:** ![JohnnySmirnov](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/b4bc9f/32.png) [@JohnnySmirnov](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JohnnySmirnov)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 5:20pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/black-german-soldiers-on-european-front/102159/22 "2016-06-16T17:20:00Z")
> [@HeilHotlar](#): > > European Albino shut-ins LOL Fail troll is fail. ---
**Author:** ![crakface](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/crakface/32/101572_2.png) [@crakface](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/crakface)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 5:40pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/black-german-soldiers-on-european-front/102159/23 "2016-06-16T17:40:00Z")
> [@JohnnySmirnov](#): > > > [@crakface](#): > > > > > [@JohnnySmirnov](#): > > > > > > > [@robkrush](#): > > > > > > > > I often see on this forum that the french lost 6 million men. So what. Wars are not won by casualties. You run headlong into machine guns and you are gonna get slaughtered. America learned our lesson in slaughter during the American civil War. In terms of numbers America committed almost 5 million men to WWI. There were only 4 countries who had more men. Combine that with the fact that today America is the biggest market then Id say the developers made a good choice. > > > > > > > > Before I go let me say that if America had not been the game I wouldn’t care. Its a game. > > > > > > > > As for whether blacks or women are in games doesn’t matter to me either. I just think it needs to for the right reason and not because we bend to social justice pressure. > > > > > > I agree with you for the most part. But still, French played very huge role in WW1, not including them or treating them like non-main faction is just absurd and ignorant in my opinion. The main reason is not the causalities, but their role in the war in general. Same I can say about Russia if they have Eastern Front in the game, since Eastern Front without Russia is like Winter War without Soviets. I am not saying USA doesnt deserve to be in the game, but it doesnt mean that in their favour other countries especially the ones who played the bigger role need to be so over-looked. Or same Italy for example, okay USA, but what makes Italy much more important than same France or Russia for example? Plus again, in terms of combat USA didnt do much comparing to many other countries. > > > > > > Plus in some details at least in MP it just makes no sense in terms of gameplay aspects. How can you fight on French soil, without French themselves? > > > > > > Also, again, you don’t care - alright, it doesnt mean others doesnt. Also, didnt you yourself agree with one guy in one thread about that they can’t just leave Russia and France out of the game? If so, then why you say something like that you don’t care (even though I know you’re refering to USA, not Russia or France int his case)? Sorry if I am being stupid and/or don’t get something though. > > > > > > “As for whether blacks or women are in games doesn’t matter to me either. I just think it needs to for the right reason and not because we bend to social justice pressure.” > > > > > > And that’s exactly what I am talking about. They just seem forced for the sake of political correctness and no other purpouse. > > > > > > And btw, the thing is they themselves said they wanna show various aspects of WW1, including unknown or less known ones. So, thats why so many people are upset or even angry. What kind of “diversity” is this? > > > > > > > [@HeilHotlar](#): > > > > > > > > > [@JohnnySmirnov](#): > > > > > > > > > > > [@kalavrezos](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@JohnnySmirnov](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes yes, I know it’s pre-alpha and we dont know for sure if that would be in release version or not (plus there were already similiar case with Blacks among Chinese in MP in BF4), but… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are they doing here? So far as I know, Germans had blacks in army, but not in European campaign (mostly in African one like Askari), or at least not in such ammounts that 95% of both teams in the game can consist of them (including Australians/Anzacs (and British overall), if I am correct, of course, I just think I saw them in gameplay. And there werent SO MUCH black soldiers among them in the war either). I mean, I heard though that they had black soldiers in European campaign too, but they were EXTREMELY rare. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if you do actually plan to include them, then what was the point of excluding female models then (especially if you have female protagonist in campaign anyway - that female Beoduin warrior, I know it’s different from having female soldiers or well female soldiers that disguise themselves as male, but still)? I mean, they were also extremely rare, but still present, and most of them usually disguised themselves as men to get in war. I am not an SJW or feminist, but it seems really double-standarded to me. I mean, if including such things (same about females though) it needs to be done right in my opinion, not like this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or especially, why making USA and Italy as two of main factions at least in multiplayer, but make France a frigging DLC and having no words so far about Russia? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to say they dont deserve much attention? And what about the others? Like Siamese Expeditionary forces I oftenly mention, Portugese, Romanians, Chinese and many many others? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are the others really so unimportant comparing to somebody like a unit that consisted only of blacks, USA that didnt do so much comparing to most if not all the other countries that played the role in the war etc? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know I will be called a whiny b\*\*h, told to go play in Call Of Duty and so on, but really… this in my opinion is just frigging absurd. What kind of “diversity” is that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Also, before anyone will jump with “different/alternate” timeline , they said numerous times in various interviews that this is NOT gonna be alternate timeline, they only altered some things for the sake of gameplay to make it less complicated and more comfortable for players, like reloading and so on) > > > > > > > > > > > > It’s just a game 😛 > > > > > > > > > > Again, as I said, just beause it’s a video game and they dont go 100% accurate, it doesnt mean you can now twist it any way you want without making it look absurd or off etc. If it’s “just a game”, maybe add Charlie Chaplin in WW1-themed Iron Man Armor too? Or cut everyone out except USA/UK and Germany? > > > > > > > > Seems good to me. What’s wrong with black people being in the game? This is not an accurate documentary about WW1,just a video game set in the era of WW1. Maybe they have an alternate timeline where European albinos are all killed? I couldn’t care less anyway,lul,Europe is just a continent with tiny countries living on their past glory. In a modern day war you’re all cucks. > > > > > > Obviously you have problems with reading. At first, how is it good exactly? I am not saying it’s bad, but still. Second, the problem is not the inclusion of blacks itself, but that they are included there where they dont really seem to belong at/in. Third, nobody is saying that they need to make accurate documentary of WW1, but it doesnt mean that they need to throw any stuff in it or exclude important details etc, and people need to be alright with it. They themselves said numerous times it’s not alternate/different timeline etc, and that they gonna touch various WW1 aspects across the WORLD, plus these talk about diversity and so on. And what kind of frigging diversity is that? Fourth, alright, you don’t care, but again, why others should not care? Fifth, about that continent thing, so what and how is this relevant? Sixth, don’t be a . What’s with these ? “European albinos, cucks etc”? Grow the hell up, you ignorant . > > > > We dont need gore in BF because we don’t need realism in battlefield and now we don’t need blacks, so the game is more realistic. > > > > Lmao. But but it’s just a game. > > Don’t remember saying that we dont need gore in the game or that we dont need blacks in the game overall. LOL > > > [@TheStrategist242](#): > > > > Something your going to have to deal with until the liberal cuck banker new world order special interest groups justice warrior agenda makes the western world collapse. > > …what? It’s just a game like gods of Egypt is just a movie. It’s all about money and dice wants to cater to the black demographic since black people buy alot of video games. It’s intelligent. Yes there was probably a took black man here or there in a German battalion but for the purpose of the game and money they will exaggerate that to make more money from a specific Market. ---
**Author:** ![TheStrategist242](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/4491bb/32.png) [@TheStrategist242](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TheStrategist242)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 5:48pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/black-german-soldiers-on-european-front/102159/24 "2016-06-16T17:48:00Z")
> [@crakface](#): > > > [@JohnnySmirnov](#): > > > > > [@crakface](#): > > > > > > > [@JohnnySmirnov](#): > > > > > > > > > [@robkrush](#): > > > > > > > > > > I often see on this forum that the french lost 6 million men. So what. Wars are not won by casualties. You run headlong into machine guns and you are gonna get slaughtered. America learned our lesson in slaughter during the American civil War. In terms of numbers America committed almost 5 million men to WWI. There were only 4 countries who had more men. Combine that with the fact that today America is the biggest market then Id say the developers made a good choice. > > > > > > > > > > Before I go let me say that if America had not been the game I wouldn’t care. Its a game. > > > > > > > > > > As for whether blacks or women are in games doesn’t matter to me either. I just think it needs to for the right reason and not because we bend to social justice pressure. > > > > > > > > I agree with you for the most part. But still, French played very huge role in WW1, not including them or treating them like non-main faction is just absurd and ignorant in my opinion. The main reason is not the causalities, but their role in the war in general. Same I can say about Russia if they have Eastern Front in the game, since Eastern Front without Russia is like Winter War without Soviets. I am not saying USA doesnt deserve to be in the game, but it doesnt mean that in their favour other countries especially the ones who played the bigger role need to be so over-looked. Or same Italy for example, okay USA, but what makes Italy much more important than same France or Russia for example? Plus again, in terms of combat USA didnt do much comparing to many other countries. > > > > > > > > Plus in some details at least in MP it just makes no sense in terms of gameplay aspects. How can you fight on French soil, without French themselves? > > > > > > > > Also, again, you don’t care - alright, it doesnt mean others doesnt. Also, didnt you yourself agree with one guy in one thread about that they can’t just leave Russia and France out of the game? If so, then why you say something like that you don’t care (even though I know you’re refering to USA, not Russia or France int his case)? Sorry if I am being stupid and/or don’t get something though. > > > > > > > > “As for whether blacks or women are in games doesn’t matter to me either. I just think it needs to for the right reason and not because we bend to social justice pressure.” > > > > > > > > And that’s exactly what I am talking about. They just seem forced for the sake of political correctness and no other purpouse. > > > > > > > > And btw, the thing is they themselves said they wanna show various aspects of WW1, including unknown or less known ones. So, thats why so many people are upset or even angry. What kind of “diversity” is this? > > > > > > > > > [@HeilHotlar](#): > > > > > > > > > > > [@JohnnySmirnov](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@kalavrezos](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@JohnnySmirnov](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes yes, I know it’s pre-alpha and we dont know for sure if that would be in release version or not (plus there were already similiar case with Blacks among Chinese in MP in BF4), but… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are they doing here? So far as I know, Germans had blacks in army, but not in European campaign (mostly in African one like Askari), or at least not in such ammounts that 95% of both teams in the game can consist of them (including Australians/Anzacs (and British overall), if I am correct, of course, I just think I saw them in gameplay. And there werent SO MUCH black soldiers among them in the war either). I mean, I heard though that they had black soldiers in European campaign too, but they were EXTREMELY rare. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if you do actually plan to include them, then what was the point of excluding female models then (especially if you have female protagonist in campaign anyway - that female Beoduin warrior, I know it’s different from having female soldiers or well female soldiers that disguise themselves as male, but still)? I mean, they were also extremely rare, but still present, and most of them usually disguised themselves as men to get in war. I am not an SJW or feminist, but it seems really double-standarded to me. I mean, if including such things (same about females though) it needs to be done right in my opinion, not like this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or especially, why making USA and Italy as two of main factions at least in multiplayer, but make France a frigging DLC and having no words so far about Russia? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to say they dont deserve much attention? And what about the others? Like Siamese Expeditionary forces I oftenly mention, Portugese, Romanians, Chinese and many many others? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are the others really so unimportant comparing to somebody like a unit that consisted only of blacks, USA that didnt do so much comparing to most if not all the other countries that played the role in the war etc? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know I will be called a whiny b\*\*h, told to go play in Call Of Duty and so on, but really… this in my opinion is just frigging absurd. What kind of “diversity” is that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Also, before anyone will jump with “different/alternate” timeline , they said numerous times in various interviews that this is NOT gonna be alternate timeline, they only altered some things for the sake of gameplay to make it less complicated and more comfortable for players, like reloading and so on) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It’s just a game 😛 > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, as I said, just beause it’s a video game and they dont go 100% accurate, it doesnt mean you can now twist it any way you want without making it look absurd or off etc. If it’s “just a game”, maybe add Charlie Chaplin in WW1-themed Iron Man Armor too? Or cut everyone out except USA/UK and Germany? > > > > > > > > > > Seems good to me. What’s wrong with black people being in the game? This is not an accurate documentary about WW1,just a video game set in the era of WW1. Maybe they have an alternate timeline where European albinos are all killed? I couldn’t care less anyway,lul,Europe is just a continent with tiny countries living on their past glory. In a modern day war you’re all cucks. > > > > > > > > Obviously you have problems with reading. At first, how is it good exactly? I am not saying it’s bad, but still. Second, the problem is not the inclusion of blacks itself, but that they are included there where they dont really seem to belong at/in. Third, nobody is saying that they need to make accurate documentary of WW1, but it doesnt mean that they need to throw any stuff in it or exclude important details etc, and people need to be alright with it. They themselves said numerous times it’s not alternate/different timeline etc, and that they gonna touch various WW1 aspects across the WORLD, plus these talk about diversity and so on. And what kind of frigging diversity is that? Fourth, alright, you don’t care, but again, why others should not care? Fifth, about that continent thing, so what and how is this relevant? Sixth, don’t be a . What’s with these ? “European albinos, cucks etc”? Grow the hell up, you ignorant . > > > > > > We dont need gore in BF because we don’t need realism in battlefield and now we don’t need blacks, so the game is more realistic. > > > > > > Lmao. But but it’s just a game. > > > > Don’t remember saying that we dont need gore in the game or that we dont need blacks in the game overall. LOL > > > > > [@TheStrategist242](#): > > > > > > Something your going to have to deal with until the liberal cuck banker new world order special interest groups justice warrior agenda makes the western world collapse. > > > > …what? > > It’s just a game like gods of Egypt is just a movie. > > It’s all about money and dice wants to cater to the black demographic since black people buy alot of video games. It’s intelligent. Yes there was probably a took black man here or there in a German battalion but for the purpose of the game and money they will exaggerate that to make more money from a specific Market. Lol I wonder if that’s why they had all black celebrities and ignorant rappers who didn’t even attempt to try for that reveal video. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnySmirnov](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/b4bc9f/32.png) [@JohnnySmirnov](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JohnnySmirnov)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 7:06pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/black-german-soldiers-on-european-front/102159/25 "2016-06-16T19:06:00Z")
> [@crakface](#): > > > [@JohnnySmirnov](#): > > > > > [@crakface](#): > > > > > > > [@JohnnySmirnov](#): > > > > > > > > > [@robkrush](#): > > > > > > > > > > I often see on this forum that the french lost 6 million men. So what. Wars are not won by casualties. You run headlong into machine guns and you are gonna get slaughtered. America learned our lesson in slaughter during the American civil War. In terms of numbers America committed almost 5 million men to WWI. There were only 4 countries who had more men. Combine that with the fact that today America is the biggest market then Id say the developers made a good choice. > > > > > > > > > > Before I go let me say that if America had not been the game I wouldn’t care. Its a game. > > > > > > > > > > As for whether blacks or women are in games doesn’t matter to me either. I just think it needs to for the right reason and not because we bend to social justice pressure. > > > > > > > > I agree with you for the most part. But still, French played very huge role in WW1, not including them or treating them like non-main faction is just absurd and ignorant in my opinion. The main reason is not the causalities, but their role in the war in general. Same I can say about Russia if they have Eastern Front in the game, since Eastern Front without Russia is like Winter War without Soviets. I am not saying USA doesnt deserve to be in the game, but it doesnt mean that in their favour other countries especially the ones who played the bigger role need to be so over-looked. Or same Italy for example, okay USA, but what makes Italy much more important than same France or Russia for example? Plus again, in terms of combat USA didnt do much comparing to many other countries. > > > > > > > > Plus in some details at least in MP it just makes no sense in terms of gameplay aspects. How can you fight on French soil, without French themselves? > > > > > > > > Also, again, you don’t care - alright, it doesnt mean others doesnt. Also, didnt you yourself agree with one guy in one thread about that they can’t just leave Russia and France out of the game? If so, then why you say something like that you don’t care (even though I know you’re refering to USA, not Russia or France int his case)? Sorry if I am being stupid and/or don’t get something though. > > > > > > > > “As for whether blacks or women are in games doesn’t matter to me either. I just think it needs to for the right reason and not because we bend to social justice pressure.” > > > > > > > > And that’s exactly what I am talking about. They just seem forced for the sake of political correctness and no other purpouse. > > > > > > > > And btw, the thing is they themselves said they wanna show various aspects of WW1, including unknown or less known ones. So, thats why so many people are upset or even angry. What kind of “diversity” is this? > > > > > > > > > [@HeilHotlar](#): > > > > > > > > > > > [@JohnnySmirnov](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@kalavrezos](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@JohnnySmirnov](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes yes, I know it’s pre-alpha and we dont know for sure if that would be in release version or not (plus there were already similiar case with Blacks among Chinese in MP in BF4), but… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are they doing here? So far as I know, Germans had blacks in army, but not in European campaign (mostly in African one like Askari), or at least not in such ammounts that 95% of both teams in the game can consist of them (including Australians/Anzacs (and British overall), if I am correct, of course, I just think I saw them in gameplay. And there werent SO MUCH black soldiers among them in the war either). I mean, I heard though that they had black soldiers in European campaign too, but they were EXTREMELY rare. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if you do actually plan to include them, then what was the point of excluding female models then (especially if you have female protagonist in campaign anyway - that female Beoduin warrior, I know it’s different from having female soldiers or well female soldiers that disguise themselves as male, but still)? I mean, they were also extremely rare, but still present, and most of them usually disguised themselves as men to get in war. I am not an SJW or feminist, but it seems really double-standarded to me. I mean, if including such things (same about females though) it needs to be done right in my opinion, not like this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or especially, why making USA and Italy as two of main factions at least in multiplayer, but make France a frigging DLC and having no words so far about Russia? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to say they dont deserve much attention? And what about the others? Like Siamese Expeditionary forces I oftenly mention, Portugese, Romanians, Chinese and many many others? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are the others really so unimportant comparing to somebody like a unit that consisted only of blacks, USA that didnt do so much comparing to most if not all the other countries that played the role in the war etc? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know I will be called a whiny b\*\*h, told to go play in Call Of Duty and so on, but really… this in my opinion is just frigging absurd. What kind of “diversity” is that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Also, before anyone will jump with “different/alternate” timeline , they said numerous times in various interviews that this is NOT gonna be alternate timeline, they only altered some things for the sake of gameplay to make it less complicated and more comfortable for players, like reloading and so on) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It’s just a game 😛 > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, as I said, just beause it’s a video game and they dont go 100% accurate, it doesnt mean you can now twist it any way you want without making it look absurd or off etc. If it’s “just a game”, maybe add Charlie Chaplin in WW1-themed Iron Man Armor too? Or cut everyone out except USA/UK and Germany? > > > > > > > > > > Seems good to me. What’s wrong with black people being in the game? This is not an accurate documentary about WW1,just a video game set in the era of WW1. Maybe they have an alternate timeline where European albinos are all killed? I couldn’t care less anyway,lul,Europe is just a continent with tiny countries living on their past glory. In a modern day war you’re all cucks. > > > > > > > > Obviously you have problems with reading. At first, how is it good exactly? I am not saying it’s bad, but still. Second, the problem is not the inclusion of blacks itself, but that they are included there where they dont really seem to belong at/in. Third, nobody is saying that they need to make accurate documentary of WW1, but it doesnt mean that they need to throw any stuff in it or exclude important details etc, and people need to be alright with it. They themselves said numerous times it’s not alternate/different timeline etc, and that they gonna touch various WW1 aspects across the WORLD, plus these talk about diversity and so on. And what kind of frigging diversity is that? Fourth, alright, you don’t care, but again, why others should not care? Fifth, about that continent thing, so what and how is this relevant? Sixth, don’t be a . What’s with these ? “European albinos, cucks etc”? Grow the hell up, you ignorant . > > > > > > We dont need gore in BF because we don’t need realism in battlefield and now we don’t need blacks, so the game is more realistic. > > > > > > Lmao. But but it’s just a game. > > > > Don’t remember saying that we dont need gore in the game or that we dont need blacks in the game overall. LOL > > > > > [@TheStrategist242](#): > > > > > > Something your going to have to deal with until the liberal cuck banker new world order special interest groups justice warrior agenda makes the western world collapse. > > > > …what? > > It’s just a game like gods of Egypt is just a movie. > > It’s all about money and dice wants to cater to the black demographic since black people buy alot of video games. It’s intelligent. Yes there was probably a took black man here or there in a German battalion but for the purpose of the game and money they will exaggerate that to make more money from a specific Market. Gods of Egypt is what you can call alternate reality though. This game however, even though they said they are not going 100% accurate, is still not alternate/different reality. But yeah, I do agree with you, that it can be some sort of marketing move, knowing EA and companies that work under their wing. ---
**Author:** ![SyfruitCamelia](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/syfruitcamelia/32/103674_2.png) [@SyfruitCamelia](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SyfruitCamelia)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 3:18am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/black-german-soldiers-on-european-front/102159/26 "2016-07-09T03:18:00Z")
there is nothing “Racist” about the TRUTH the VAST majority of combatants in Europe where WHITES. BLACK AFRICANS fought in the AFRICAN theater of the war as colonial soldiers, NOT in Europe. In Europe they were segregated and performed in support and logistical roles. There were black soldiers in the German army in Europe but like 1 out of 100,000+. ONE american unit was a segregated black combat unit. The rest where overwhelmingly white Even the Japanese fought in the Asian theater attacking German colonies, but you don’t see them being shoehorned in the game, because Swedish Leftists can’t make a narrative out of that. I can play call of duty 2 and not a SINGLE non white soldier is in that game. Nobody at the time cared because back then video games weren’t a medium for historical revisionists and liberals. ---
**Author:** ![Unit974](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/unit974/32/103946_2.png) [@Unit974](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Unit974)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 2:32am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/black-german-soldiers-on-european-front/102159/27 "2016-07-10T02:32:00Z")
i understand how black german soldiers being in this game would be correct…you must remember that this is a game representing a world war in which Germany did have black soldiers …tho not in Europe …now if this was battlefield 1: the western front…then black German soldiers in the game would be wrong ---
**Author:** ![LOLGotYerTags](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/lolgotyertags/32/101041_2.png) [@LOLGotYerTags](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/LOLGotYerTags)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 2:45am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/black-german-soldiers-on-european-front/102159/28 "2016-07-10T02:45:00Z")
## [Link to section: Okay so.. OP.](#okay-so-op-1)Okay so.. OP. 1. It is a game. 2. You will not be seeing your own character model. 3. It is historically accurate with some cosmetic changes and a few artistic freedoms. - ## [Link to section: It is my opinion that having black soldiers is not an issue, It will not affect the hitboxes, Nor does it detract from the gameplay.](#it-is-my-opinion-that-having-black-soldiers-is-not-an-issue-it-will-not-affect-the-hitboxes-nor-does-it-detract-from-the-gameplay-2)It is my opinion that having black soldiers is not an issue, It will not affect the hitboxes, Nor does it detract from the gameplay. ## [Link to section: When I first launched the alpha I didn’t immediately throw my arms up in disgust that the game is inaccurate.](#when-i-first-launched-the-alpha-i-didnt-immediately-throw-my-arms-up-in-disgust-that-the-game-is-inaccurate-3)When I first launched the alpha I didn’t immediately throw my arms up in disgust that the game is inaccurate. I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill personally. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnySmirnov](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/b4bc9f/32.png) [@JohnnySmirnov](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JohnnySmirnov)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 6:26am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/black-german-soldiers-on-european-front/102159/29 "2016-07-10T06:26:00Z")
> [@LOLGotYerTags](#): > > ## Okay so.. OP. > > 1. It is a game. > 2. You will not be seeing your own character model. > 3. It is historically accurate with some cosmetic changes and a few artistic freedoms. > > - > > ## It is my opinion that having black soldiers is not an issue, It will not affect the hitboxes, Nor does it detract from the gameplay. > > ## When I first launched the alpha I didn’t immediately throw my arms up in disgust that the game is inaccurate. > > I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill personally. 1. No offense, but we have been through 100000000000 times with this. And in my opinion it’s not an argument. As I said, imagine them or somebody else making a game with black Chinese and black Soviets in WW2 and covering it behind “IT’S A GAME!”. As I said, sure it’s a game, but it doesnt mean you can just push anything, without it seeming off and/or ridiculous and without people complaining about that. 2. Don’t know how this is important. 3. What do you mean exactly? Well, it’s your opinion, and I respect it. But I also have my own opinion and you can see why (and many others on the forum) I got such opinion. Also, I may sound impulsive sometimes, but I am just expressing my opinion and at least try to back it up. I am not forcing anyone to agree with me or calling Inquisition on DICE or something. > [@Unit974](#): > > i understand how black german soldiers being in this game would be correct…you must remember that this is a game representing a world war in which Germany did have black soldiers …tho not in Europe …now if this was battlefield 1: the western front…then black German soldiers in the game would be wrong You do have a point, but personally as I said it still seems pretty off and ridiculous. I personally think it would be better to have them on specific maps with/as specific units (like Askari, same Harlem Hellfighters etc) or at least randomly generated. I am not saying that having black models is a bad idea overall though, but it would seem weird and dumb to have huge ton of black Germans, ANZACs etc running around the map. But as I said, it’s just my personal opinion here. ---
**Author:** ![SyfruitCamelia](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/syfruitcamelia/32/103674_2.png) [@SyfruitCamelia](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SyfruitCamelia)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 7:06am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/black-german-soldiers-on-european-front/102159/30 "2016-07-10T07:06:00Z")
> [@LOLGotYerTags](#): > > ## Okay so.. OP. > > 1. It is a game. > 2. You will not be seeing your own character model. > 3. It is historically accurate with some cosmetic changes and a few artistic freedoms. > > - > > ## It is my opinion that having black soldiers is not an issue, It will not affect the hitboxes, Nor does it detract from the gameplay. > > ## When I first launched the alpha I didn’t immediately throw my arms up in disgust that the game is inaccurate. > > I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill personally. the only one whos making an issue are the leftists who constantly push the SJW agenda. erroneously portraying at least 50% of the german army to be black? In EUROPE? Seriously? Not only is that insulting to the millions of german whites who fought and died for the German Empire, it’s also demeaning to actual Askari German colonial troops who fought in German East Africa. Why don’t we have chinese people in this game too while we’re at it? Oh but let me just use liberal arguments: if you disagree with me you’re a “Racist” ---
**Author:** ![JohnnySmirnov](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/b4bc9f/32.png) [@JohnnySmirnov](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JohnnySmirnov)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 7:18am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/black-german-soldiers-on-european-front/102159/31 "2016-07-10T07:18:00Z")
> [@SyfruitCamelia](#): > > > [@LOLGotYerTags](#): > > > > ## Okay so.. OP. > > > > 1. It is a game. > > 2. You will not be seeing your own character model. > > 3. It is historically accurate with some cosmetic changes and a few artistic freedoms. > > > > - > > > > ## It is my opinion that having black soldiers is not an issue, It will not affect the hitboxes, Nor does it detract from the gameplay. > > > > ## When I first launched the alpha I didn’t immediately throw my arms up in disgust that the game is inaccurate. > > > > I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill personally. > > the only one whos making an issue are the leftists who constantly push the SJW agenda. > > erroneously portraying at least 50% of the german army to be black? In EUROPE? Seriously? Not only is that insulting to the millions of german whites who fought and died for the German Empire, it’s also demeaning to actual Askari German colonial troops who fought in German East Africa. > > Why don’t we have chinese people in this game too while we’re at it? Oh but let me just use liberal arguments: if you disagree with me you’re a “Racist” Not sure what you mean, but actually there were Chinese in WW1 recuited by British, though they were performing support and manual labour: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese\_Labour\_Corps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Labour_Corps) (though yeah yeah, I know that Wikipedia aint a really trusted source) Also, dude, not that I disagree with you (cause to me it smells like political correctness stuff too), in my opinion you got a point, but just an advice, no need to get impulsive, mostly because it can only bring problem on yourself, at least I think so. Also, Germans aint the only ones who can be blacks in multiplayer, same with ANZACs (if this British guys with red patches and this hats are ANZACs though) and others, who are present in MP overall. So, as I said you can even have 95% of units and players overall in MP having black models, which as I said can look ridiculous and off. ---
**Author:** ![SyfruitCamelia](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/syfruitcamelia/32/103674_2.png) [@SyfruitCamelia](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SyfruitCamelia)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 7:24am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/black-german-soldiers-on-european-front/102159/32 "2016-07-10T07:24:00Z")
> [@JohnnySmirnov](#): > > > [@SyfruitCamelia](#): > > > > > [@LOLGotYerTags](#): > > > > > > ## Okay so.. OP. > > > > > > 1. It is a game. > > > 2. You will not be seeing your own character model. > > > 3. It is historically accurate with some cosmetic changes and a few artistic freedoms. > > > > > > - > > > > > > ## It is my opinion that having black soldiers is not an issue, It will not affect the hitboxes, Nor does it detract from the gameplay. > > > > > > ## When I first launched the alpha I didn’t immediately throw my arms up in disgust that the game is inaccurate. > > > > > > I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill personally. > > > > the only one whos making an issue are the leftists who constantly push the SJW agenda. > > > > erroneously portraying at least 50% of the german army to be black? In EUROPE? Seriously? Not only is that insulting to the millions of german whites who fought and died for the German Empire, it’s also demeaning to actual Askari German colonial troops who fought in German East Africa. > > > > Why don’t we have chinese people in this game too while we’re at it? Oh but let me just use liberal arguments: if you disagree with me you’re a “Racist” > > Not sure what you mean, but actually there were Chinese in WW1 recuited by British, though they were performing support and manual labour: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese\_Labour\_Corps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Labour_Corps) (though yeah yeah, I know that Wikipedia aint a really trusted source) > > Also, dude, not that I disagree with you (cause to me it smells like political correctness stuff too), in my opinion you got a point, but just an advice, no need to get impulsive, mostly because it can only bring problem on yourself, at least I think so. Also, Germans aint the only ones who can be blacks in multiplayer, same with ANZACs (if this British guys with red patches and this hats are ANZACs though) and others, who are present in MP overall. So, as I said you can even have 95% of units and players overall in MP having black models, which as I said can look ridiculous and off. I’m well aware of Chinese logistical workers in WW1. The British, Americans, and French mostly employed Black and Indian workers in segregated work units too. b-but DICE is racist for not including them as soldiers!111 “If you say who cares it’s just a game you’re racist” That’s literally all the “counter-arguements” I’ve seen on these forums ---
**Author:** ![JonesMacGrath](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/jonesmacgrath/32/102419_2.png) [@JonesMacGrath](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JonesMacGrath)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 7:40am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/black-german-soldiers-on-european-front/102159/33 "2016-07-10T07:40:00Z")
Having some of the classes portrayed as being black is just as accurate as having A7Vs being common, or mondragons, or mp18s, or automaticos, or a bunch of other stuff. And besides that do we know how much customization there’s going to be? It could be you can make each of the classes black/white/what ever if you want. ---
**Author:** ![MrTekku](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/mrtekku/32/102890_2.png) [@MrTekku](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MrTekku)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 7:57am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/black-german-soldiers-on-european-front/102159/34 "2016-07-10T07:57:00Z")
I’m not bothered by black soldiers, if their goal is to deviate from historical accuracy. But in light of the conflicts that have played out within the company in regards to these matters I’m confused as hell: [http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/battlefield/news/a799041/female-soldiers-removed-from-battlefield-1/](http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/battlefield/news/a799041/female-soldiers-removed-from-battlefield-1/) They choose to exclude female soldiers in order to maintain historical accuracy, but they include a wide representation of black soldiers which defeats their original purpose. You cannot cherry pick when it comes to sensitive matters like this. Either go all-out and stand your ground or just stay true to the era and avoid unnecessary questions and controversy. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnySmirnov](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/b4bc9f/32.png) [@JohnnySmirnov](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JohnnySmirnov)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 8:09am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/black-german-soldiers-on-european-front/102159/35 "2016-07-10T08:09:00Z")
> [@JonesMacGrath](#): > > Having some of the classes portrayed as being black is just as accurate as having A7Vs being common, or mondragons, or mp18s, or automaticos, or a bunch of other stuff. And besides that do we know how much customization there’s going to be? It could be you can make each of the classes black/white/what ever if you want. From what I have seen it’s not just classes, but customization of a model overall though. At least I think so. > [@MrTekku](#): > > I’m not bothered by black soldiers, if their goal is to deviate from historical accuracy. But in light of the conflicts that have played out within the company in regards to these matters I’m confused as hell: [http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/battlefield/news/a799041/female-soldiers-removed-from-battlefield-1/](http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/battlefield/news/a799041/female-soldiers-removed-from-battlefield-1/) > > They choose to exclude female soldiers in order to maintain historical accuracy, but they include a wide representation of black soldiers which defeats their original purpose. > > You cannot cherry pick when it comes to sensitive matters like this. Either go all-out and stand your ground or just stay true to the era and avoid unnecessary questions and controversy. That’s exactly what I am talking about. However “going all-out and standing your ground” aint always a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![MahoganyPlank](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/mahoganyplank/32/102722_2.png) [@MahoganyPlank](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MahoganyPlank)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 9:35am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/black-german-soldiers-on-european-front/102159/36 "2016-07-10T09:35:00Z")
> [@JohnnySmirnov](#): > > Yes yes, I know it’s pre-alpha and we dont know for sure if that would be in release version or not (plus there were already similiar case with Blacks among Chinese in MP in BF4), but… > > What are they doing here? So far as I know, Germans had blacks in army, but not in European campaign (mostly in African one like Askari), or at least not in such ammounts that 95% of both teams in the game can consist of them (including Australians/Anzacs (and British overall), if I am correct, of course, I just think I saw them in gameplay. And there werent SO MUCH black soldiers among them in the war either). I mean, I heard though that they had black soldiers in European campaign too, but they were EXTREMELY rare. > > But if you do actually plan to include them, then what was the point of excluding female models then (especially if you have female protagonist in campaign anyway - that female Beoduin warrior, I know it’s different from having female soldiers or well female soldiers that disguise themselves as male, but still)? I mean, they were also extremely rare, but still present, and most of them usually disguised themselves as men to get in war. I am not an SJW or feminist, but it seems really double-standarded to me. I mean, if including such things (same about females though) it needs to be done right in my opinion, not like this. > > Or especially, why making USA and Italy as two of main factions at least in multiplayer, but make France a frigging DLC and having no words so far about Russia? > > You want to say they dont deserve much attention? And what about the others? Like Siamese Expeditionary forces I oftenly mention, Portugese, Romanians, Chinese and many many others? > > Are the others really so unimportant comparing to somebody like a unit that consisted only of blacks, USA that didnt do so much comparing to most if not all the other countries that played the role in the war etc? > > I know I will be called a whiny b\*\*h, told to go play in Call Of Duty and so on, but really… this in my opinion is just frigging absurd. What kind of “diversity” is that? > > (Also, before anyone will jump with “different/alternate” timeline , they said numerous times in various interviews that this is NOT gonna be alternate timeline, they only altered some things for the sake of gameplay to make it less complicated and more comfortable for players, like reloading and so on) Afro-Germans, search it up. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnySmirnov](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/b4bc9f/32.png) [@JohnnySmirnov](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JohnnySmirnov)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 9:49am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/black-german-soldiers-on-european-front/102159/37 "2016-07-10T09:49:00Z")
> [@MahoganyPlank](#): > > > [@JohnnySmirnov](#): > > > > Yes yes, I know it’s pre-alpha and we dont know for sure if that would be in release version or not (plus there were already similiar case with Blacks among Chinese in MP in BF4), but… > > > > What are they doing here? So far as I know, Germans had blacks in army, but not in European campaign (mostly in African one like Askari), or at least not in such ammounts that 95% of both teams in the game can consist of them (including Australians/Anzacs (and British overall), if I am correct, of course, I just think I saw them in gameplay. And there werent SO MUCH black soldiers among them in the war either). I mean, I heard though that they had black soldiers in European campaign too, but they were EXTREMELY rare. > > > > But if you do actually plan to include them, then what was the point of excluding female models then (especially if you have female protagonist in campaign anyway - that female Beoduin warrior, I know it’s different from having female soldiers or well female soldiers that disguise themselves as male, but still)? I mean, they were also extremely rare, but still present, and most of them usually disguised themselves as men to get in war. I am not an SJW or feminist, but it seems really double-standarded to me. I mean, if including such things (same about females though) it needs to be done right in my opinion, not like this. > > > > Or especially, why making USA and Italy as two of main factions at least in multiplayer, but make France a frigging DLC and having no words so far about Russia? > > > > You want to say they dont deserve much attention? And what about the others? Like Siamese Expeditionary forces I oftenly mention, Portugese, Romanians, Chinese and many many others? > > > > Are the others really so unimportant comparing to somebody like a unit that consisted only of blacks, USA that didnt do so much comparing to most if not all the other countries that played the role in the war etc? > > > > I know I will be called a whiny b\*\*h, told to go play in Call Of Duty and so on, but really… this in my opinion is just frigging absurd. What kind of “diversity” is that? > > > > (Also, before anyone will jump with “different/alternate” timeline , they said numerous times in various interviews that this is NOT gonna be alternate timeline, they only altered some things for the sake of gameplay to make it less complicated and more comfortable for players, like reloading and so on) > > Afro-Germans, search it up. Existence of Afro-Germans and their presence in WW1 (especially if talking about Europe) are two different things, my friend. ---
**Author:** ![Magic\_Pepee](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/magic_pepee/32/102719_2.png) [@Magic\_Pepee](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Magic_Pepee)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 10:00am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/black-german-soldiers-on-european-front/102159/38 "2016-07-10T10:00:00Z")
> [@Loqtrall](#): > > On top of that, two of the rappers there (Wiz and Snoop) are two of the most wealthy and successful black male music artists in history, both of which built a rap/hiphop empire out of their names from the ground up, and both of which came from poverty. they are also awful musicians. just saying. I would have much preferred if they had other game developers (maybe indie one’s too, would be interesting to see what they think of this AAA game) or professionals playing the game, rather then some terrible rappers ---
**Author:** ![JonesMacGrath](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/jonesmacgrath/32/102419_2.png) [@JonesMacGrath](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JonesMacGrath)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 10:04am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/black-german-soldiers-on-european-front/102159/39 "2016-07-10T10:04:00Z")
> [@Neubaufahrzeugg](#): > > > [@Loqtrall](#): > > > > On top of that, two of the rappers there (Wiz and Snoop) are two of the most wealthy and successful black male music artists in history, both of which built a rap/hiphop empire out of their names from the ground up, and both of which came from poverty. > > they are also awful musicians. just saying. Oh yeah, what musicians do you like? I probably haven’t heard of them right? ---
**Author:** ![Magic\_Pepee](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/magic_pepee/32/102719_2.png) [@Magic\_Pepee](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Magic_Pepee)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 10:15am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/black-german-soldiers-on-european-front/102159/40 "2016-07-10T10:15:00Z")
> [@JonesMacGrath](#): > > Oh yeah, what musicians do you like? I probably haven’t heard of them right? yes, because popular means good. though aesop rock, immortal technique, nas, kendrick lamar, j.cole are all very known, actually [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/black-german-soldiers-on-european-front/102159.md?page=1) [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/black-german-soldiers-on-european-front/102159.md?page=3)