# Boldly going were no battlefield has gone before, then changing your mind about it. **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 14, 2016, 8:34am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/boldly-going-were-no-battlefield-has-gone-before-then-changing-your-mind-about-it/102010 "2016-06-14T08:34:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Koko\_Hekmatyarr](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/koko_hekmatyarr/32/102557_2.png) [@Koko\_Hekmatyarr](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Koko_Hekmatyarr)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 8:34am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/boldly-going-were-no-battlefield-has-gone-before-then-changing-your-mind-about-it/102010/1 "2016-06-14T08:34:00Z")
As someone who was excited not just about this game but that I could finally play with a female avatar I’m really disappointed with dice removing them from the game. Women did fight in ww1 and while it wasn’t common or the norm, neither are most of the semi-automatic weaponry in the trailers or game play. The Mondragon rifle for example was a Mexican gun and had no part in ww1. The glass sights used on a lot of guns to resemble modern sights also didn’t see service outside of very limited use on one specific rifle that the British used an no one else. I don’t see any reason to remove women avatars, if men don’t want to play women that’s fine sure, I have no problem with that and I’d never try to make someone, but why do you make ME play a male avatar just because someone might be offended by it? That’s encouraging people to be offended by females in video-games. ---
**Author:** ![AQuamAN221](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/e9c0ed/32.png) [@AQuamAN221](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/AQuamAN221)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 10:09pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/boldly-going-were-no-battlefield-has-gone-before-then-changing-your-mind-about-it/102010/2 "2016-06-14T22:09:00Z")
I wouldn’t have minded if they kept the option to allow some players to make their avatar in MP a woman. I definitely could see the appeal for women gamers. You’re not technically right about the mondragon though. It was used as an experimental gun for the German air corps before mounted machine guns were common. Better example would be the cei rigotti. But splitting hairs with it to be honest and you do have a point. Fun fact: in 1917 the new Russian provisional government fielded an all woman’s battalion to fight on the eastern front and it was nicknamed the “Battalion of Death.” ---
**Author:** ![rock1obsta](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/rock1obsta/32/103288_2.png) [@rock1obsta](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/rock1obsta)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 10:21pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/boldly-going-were-no-battlefield-has-gone-before-then-changing-your-mind-about-it/102010/3 "2016-06-14T22:21:00Z")
I see no issue at all with women soldiers in BF1. Whoever would be offended by such a thing should reevaluate their beliefs, misogyny is so '50s. ---
**Author:** ![poisonstrudel](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/ecc23a/32.png) [@poisonstrudel](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/poisonstrudel)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 10:24pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/boldly-going-were-no-battlefield-has-gone-before-then-changing-your-mind-about-it/102010/4 "2016-06-14T22:24:00Z")
Women didn’t serve on the front lines of WWI, and if they did, it was either through pretending to be a man or through a special snowflake all woman battalion like in Russia. Stop trying to change history to push a political agenda ---
**Author:** ![Troopperfofo](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Troopperfofo](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Troopperfofo)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 10:27pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/boldly-going-were-no-battlefield-has-gone-before-then-changing-your-mind-about-it/102010/5 "2016-06-14T22:27:00Z")
You are little wrong about the Mondragon rifle. It was designed and used by Mexico yes but it was made by Sig, Later since Mexico didn’t have the greatest ammo they didn’t like the gun so sig had a bunch left over so they sold them to Germany who used them in the air corps as the Flieger-Selbstlader-Karabiner 15. ---
**Author:** ![AQuamAN221](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/e9c0ed/32.png) [@AQuamAN221](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/AQuamAN221)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 10:36pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/boldly-going-were-no-battlefield-has-gone-before-then-changing-your-mind-about-it/102010/6 "2016-06-14T22:36:00Z")
> [@poisonstrudel](#): > > Women didn’t serve on the front lines of WWI, and if they did, it was either through pretending to be a man or through a special snowflake all woman battalion like in Russia. Stop trying to change history to push a political agenda No one is pushing a political agenda. It seems some women gamers just would like the asethtic option to be a woman in game too. Just like people asking for character customization with attire or time specific equipment. Being a male gamer, having the option for female avatars is definitely not a priority and I want other things to take precedent like game mechanics and an overall smooth launch. But it seems like they originally had the option in game and removed it. If women gamers want it, why shouldn’t they get it? Having this wouldn’t ruin anything. And if you complain it isn’t “historically accurate” then you must have a lot more serious problems with BF1 then just woman avatars. ---
**Author:** ![VolumeRX](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/v/b4bc9f/32.png) [@VolumeRX](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/VolumeRX)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 10:42pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/boldly-going-were-no-battlefield-has-gone-before-then-changing-your-mind-about-it/102010/7 "2016-06-14T22:42:00Z")
Women didn’t fight in World War 1, if they did it was them pretending to be men, there’s no reason to add women to the game just because some of you want to. ---
**Author:** ![Nobel83-9](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/nobel83-9/32/102968_2.png) [@Nobel83-9](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Nobel83-9)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 12:04am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/boldly-going-were-no-battlefield-has-gone-before-then-changing-your-mind-about-it/102010/8 "2016-06-15T00:04:00Z")
I don’t understand. If you’re a man why would you want to play as a woman. ---
**Author:** ![pinchylillobster](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/pinchylillobster/32/103128_2.png) [@pinchylillobster](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/pinchylillobster)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 12:16am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/boldly-going-were-no-battlefield-has-gone-before-then-changing-your-mind-about-it/102010/9 "2016-06-15T00:16:00Z")
> [@Nobel83-9](#): > > I don’t understand. If you’re a man why would you want to play as a woman. Personally in games with 3rd person I’d prefer to play a female; more enjoyable to watch them run. I do not see the draw in a FPS though. To each their own I guess. ---
**Author:** ![ilikem14](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/aeb1de/32.png) [@ilikem14](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ilikem14)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 12:17am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/boldly-going-were-no-battlefield-has-gone-before-then-changing-your-mind-about-it/102010/10 "2016-06-15T00:17:00Z")
> [@Nobel83-9](#): > > I don’t understand. If you’re a man why would you want to play as a woman. Because weaboos are degenerates ---
**Author:** ![socomseal](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@socomseal](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/socomseal)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 12:30am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/boldly-going-were-no-battlefield-has-gone-before-then-changing-your-mind-about-it/102010/11 "2016-06-15T00:30:00Z")
OP is right, this game has already removed most traces of authenticity to the setting, might as well have female soldiers to appease women. In fact, why not make 50% of the team women, because why not? ---
**Author:** ![ilikem14](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/aeb1de/32.png) [@ilikem14](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ilikem14)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 12:36am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/boldly-going-were-no-battlefield-has-gone-before-then-changing-your-mind-about-it/102010/12 "2016-06-15T00:36:00Z")
OP is the kind of person who would call people who hake the new ghostbusters sexist ---
**Author:** ![DominicO65](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/dominico65/32/101754_2.png) [@DominicO65](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DominicO65)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 12:44am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/boldly-going-were-no-battlefield-has-gone-before-then-changing-your-mind-about-it/102010/13 "2016-06-15T00:44:00Z")
Fair point. I agree with OP ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 1:12am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/boldly-going-were-no-battlefield-has-gone-before-then-changing-your-mind-about-it/102010/14 "2016-06-15T01:12:00Z")
Adding women to a WW1 game centered around the British, American, German, and Ottoman powers and militaries of the war just for the sake of appeasing female gamers is just as logical as giving you an option of play a female Master Chief in the next Halo campaign to appease female gamers. The fact is - those nations (the nations directly portrayed in the game) didn’t allow women to fight in the war. If they did fight for those nations, they were posing as men and NOBODY knew they were women, otherwise they’d be sent back behind the frontlines and wouldn’t be allowed to fight. The only nations that allowed frontlines female combatants were some middle-eastern countries, Russia, and Serbia - none of which are apparently included in the game. Many women actually LEFT some of the militaries included in the game just to join the Serbian army so they could fight. Russians only had openly female fighters for about 6 months in 1917 before all 5 battalions were dissolved. In the direct and formal setting of the game, female fighters just don’t fit and didn’t actually exist (if they did, they acted like, looked like, and called themselves men). History should not be drastically changed simply to appease female players - just like Master Chief and Marcus Fenix shouldn’t have Katelyn Jenner gender swaps just so females don’t feel like they’re left out. ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 1:13am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/boldly-going-were-no-battlefield-has-gone-before-then-changing-your-mind-about-it/102010/15 "2016-06-15T01:13:00Z")
^ And that’s coming from someone who, if DICE initially DID include females in the game to begin with, wouldn’t give a rat’s \*\*\* ---
**Author:** ![ilikem14](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/aeb1de/32.png) [@ilikem14](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ilikem14)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 1:18am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/boldly-going-were-no-battlefield-has-gone-before-then-changing-your-mind-about-it/102010/16 "2016-06-15T01:18:00Z")
> [@Loqtrall](#): > > Adding women to a WW1 game centered around the British, American, German, and Ottoman powers and militaries of the war just for the sake of appeasing female gamers is just as logical as giving you an option of play a female Master Chief in the next Halo campaign to appease female gamers. > > The fact is - those nations (the nations directly portrayed in the game) didn’t allow women to fight in the war. If they did fight for those nations, they were posing as men and NOBODY knew they were women, otherwise they’d be sent back behind the frontlines and wouldn’t be allowed to fight. > > The only nations that allowed frontlines female combatants were some middle-eastern countries, Russia, and Serbia - none of which are apparently included in the game. Many women actually LEFT some of the militaries included in the game just to join the Serbian army so they could fight. Russians only had openly female fighters for about 6 months in 1917 before all 5 battalions were dissolved. > > In the direct and formal setting of the game, female fighters just don’t fit and didn’t actually exist (if they did, they acted like, looked like, and called themselves men). History should not be drastically changed simply to appease female players - just like Master Chief and Marcus Fenix shouldn’t have Katelyn Jenner gender swaps just so females don’t feel like they’re left out. WAIT THERE ARENT ANY RUSSIANS? i CANT SING GOD SAVE THE TZAR??? ---
**Author:** ![KUNGpowCHICKEN23](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@KUNGpowCHICKEN23](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/KUNGpowCHICKEN23)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 12:12pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/boldly-going-were-no-battlefield-has-gone-before-then-changing-your-mind-about-it/102010/17 "2016-06-15T12:12:00Z")
> [@Koko\_Hekmatyarr](#): > > m, neither are most of the semi-automatic weaponry in the trailers or game play. The Mondragon rifle for example was a Mexican gun and had no part in ww1. Im really trying not to let the validity of your arguement end here. Germany was supplied with lots of Mondragon rifles in WW1. In fact, if you even remember what the ‘Zimmerman Telegraph’ was, you could that Germany and Mexico were on ‘speaking terms’. ---
**Author:** ![HaveThisRocket](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/7bcc69/32.png) [@HaveThisRocket](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/HaveThisRocket)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 12:28pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/boldly-going-were-no-battlefield-has-gone-before-then-changing-your-mind-about-it/102010/18 "2016-06-15T12:28:00Z")
This game should have no sights except the scope. ---
**Author:** ![Pannekoekmix](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/pannekoekmix/32/103075_2.png) [@Pannekoekmix](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Pannekoekmix)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 1:08pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/boldly-going-were-no-battlefield-has-gone-before-then-changing-your-mind-about-it/102010/19 "2016-06-15T13:08:00Z")
Of all the games that could acctually fit female avatars, you OP, choose the single game that should not have that option. If it was Bf2, Bf3 or Bf4 I wouldn’t care if they put women in those games. Just not in a WW1 setting, because there where next to none women fighting on the frontlines in that war. Also, why do people make this such a big deal. I personally don’t really care as what character I play in a game, as long as it ‘fits’ in the setting the game is set in. ---
**Author:** ![robkrush](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/a9adbd/32.png) [@robkrush](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/robkrush)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 1:48pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/boldly-going-were-no-battlefield-has-gone-before-then-changing-your-mind-about-it/102010/20 "2016-06-15T13:48:00Z")
> [@Koko\_Hekmatyarr](#): > > I don’t see any reason to remove women avatars, if men don’t want to play women that’s fine sure, I have no problem with that and I’d never try to make someone, but why do you make ME play a male avatar just because someone might be offended by it? That’s encouraging people to be offended by females in video-games. I heard that women were not put in BF1 due to all the recent controversy with women avitars appearing too sexy and creating unreasonable expectations for young women these days. The SJWs demand women in video games. Then they demand a specific body type. They demand a specific race. And all the while you point fingers and call everyone racist and sexist. Lets be clear, you are demanding a private company make their product specific to suit your personal likes and dislikes. That is insane. You need to reality check yourself. [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/boldly-going-were-no-battlefield-has-gone-before-then-changing-your-mind-about-it/102010.md?page=2)