# Bolt action rifles nerf is stupid **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 11, 2018, 1:39pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bolt-action-rifles-nerf-is-stupid/105736 "2018-08-11T13:39:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ace-Cardd](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/ace-cardd/32/101132_2.png) [@Ace-Cardd](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Ace-Cardd)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 1:39pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bolt-action-rifles-nerf-is-stupid/105736/1 "2018-08-11T13:39:00Z")
Bullet velocity nerf will make bolt action completely useless. You actually reduced bolt action damage and rate of fire so why you want scout to be completely useless? New Kar98k muzzle velocity is 600 m/s + bullet drag what gives us 500+ m/s final bullet speed. What is the point scout class when you have laser accurate and fast firing other classes? Where is balance DICE? Even Bf4 airsoft sniper rifles were better ;/ ---
**Author:** ![CptMIFF](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/cptmiff/32/101563_2.png) [@CptMIFF](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/CptMIFF)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 2:00pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bolt-action-rifles-nerf-is-stupid/105736/2 "2018-08-12T14:00:00Z")
Maybe we dont need a BF1 repeat. It should be a bit difficult to hit with a high damage output weapon. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Rillllller](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sgt_rillllller/32/103432_2.png) [@Sgt\_Rillllller](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Sgt_Rillllller)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 2:15pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bolt-action-rifles-nerf-is-stupid/105736/3 "2018-08-12T14:15:00Z")
You trying to make a Bf1 scout game again..no thanks! NERF the hell of them! (about time!) ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 2:30pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bolt-action-rifles-nerf-is-stupid/105736/4 "2018-08-12T14:30:00Z")
Make them worthwhile in objective play instead of on hills and DICE can change thier velocities to anything they want. ---
**Author:** ![Kunstula](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Kunstula](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Kunstula)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 3:49pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bolt-action-rifles-nerf-is-stupid/105736/5 "2018-08-12T15:49:00Z")
> [@Loqtrall](#): > > Make them worthwhile in objective play instead of on hills and DICE can change thier velocities to anything they want. But that’s the thing. Many players (like the commenter above you) don’t want the scout class to be good at their role under any circumstance. About the nerf, yes it’s stupid. Giving a long range weapon a relatively slow muzzle velocity will make it effectively worse at long range, especially if you lower the damage even more. Coupled with soldier movement that has no momentum (yes ADAD aka neo-bulletdodging spam is back with a vengeance in BF5 alpha as some have noticed) so you can’t possibly anticipate for movement changes, in those cases it’s just shooting and hoping to get lucky. I guess reinventing the wheel is routine in BF. ---
**Author:** ![Ace-Cardd](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/ace-cardd/32/101132_2.png) [@Ace-Cardd](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Ace-Cardd)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 6:03pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bolt-action-rifles-nerf-is-stupid/105736/6 "2018-08-12T18:03:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Many players (like the commenter above you) don’t want the scout class to be good at their role under any circumstance. Unfortunately, with such an immature community full of hatred for one class, we have no chance of getting a good game. ---
**Author:** ![trip1ex](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/779978/32.png) [@trip1ex](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/trip1ex)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 6:04pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bolt-action-rifles-nerf-is-stupid/105736/7 "2018-08-12T18:04:00Z")
> [@Farsight\_02](#): > > > [@Loqtrall](#): > > > > Make them worthwhile in objective play instead of on hills and DICE can change thier velocities to anything they want. > > But that’s the thing. Many players (like the commenter above you) don’t want the scout class to be good at their role under any circumstance. > About the nerf, yes it’s stupid. Giving a long range weapon a relatively slow muzzle velocity will make it effectively worse at long range, especially if you lower the damage even more. Coupled with soldier movement that has no momentum (yes ADAD aka neo-bulletdodging spam is back with a vengeance in BF5 alpha as some have noticed) so you can’t possibly anticipate for movement changes, in those cases it’s just shooting and hoping to get lucky. > I guess reinventing the wheel is routine in BF. No some of us just don’t want scouts to be the bread and butter of an army armed with laser weapons. I think in BF1 sniping was just too easy. I’m relatively old and my reflexes are shot compared to a 20 yr olds. And I don’t snipe full time or close to it. And I can have rounds lately where I peg off 5-6 enemies off of moving boats while I am standing up and moving in between shots. Seems too easy although I can’t say it isn’t fun to do that. And not like I’m trying 25 minutes to accomplish that either. It’s just the occasional minute where the opportunity presents itself and I get a kill or 2 or 3 off a moving boat. Meanwhile the headshot hit box is bigger in BFV than in BF1. So the changes to make it harder to snipe make sense. And even more so since they nerfed the ability of the STG44 and G43 to take on a sniper at range. So the way I see it is sniper’s can relax a bit more at long range as far as the threat from other classes goes but hitting your target became tougher. That’s what the changes mean for the Sniper to me. ---
**Author:** ![llPhantom\_Limbll](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/llphantom_limbll/32/102656_2.png) [@llPhantom\_Limbll](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/llPhantom_Limbll)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 6:20pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bolt-action-rifles-nerf-is-stupid/105736/8 "2018-08-12T18:20:00Z")
> [@C4LIVE](#): > > You trying to make a Bf1 scout game again..no thanks! NERF the hell of them! (about time!) So bfv should be an assault fest once again like bf3/bf4? No thanks, seen that crap already and got sick of it. ---
**Author:** ![GrizzGolf](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/grizzgolf/32/102129_2.png) [@GrizzGolf](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/GrizzGolf)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 7:14pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bolt-action-rifles-nerf-is-stupid/105736/9 "2018-08-12T19:14:00Z")
The nerf was for the good of the game. Every game in BF1 I see 1000000000000000 scouts and 2 medics. ---
**Author:** ![Sixclicks](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sixclicks/32/103500_2.png) [@Sixclicks](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Sixclicks)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 12:00am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bolt-action-rifles-nerf-is-stupid/105736/10 "2018-08-13T00:00:00Z")
It’s a terrible decision. They’ll be worse than BF4 rifles. It’s BF4 velocity with less than half the range before it drops to its min damage plus more drop and no ability to OHK to the chest within 12.5 meters like every rifle in BF4 could. It’s pretty much worse in every way. Meanwhile assault and medic are extremely easy to do well with. ---
**Author:** ![trip1ex](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/779978/32.png) [@trip1ex](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/trip1ex)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 12:10am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bolt-action-rifles-nerf-is-stupid/105736/11 "2018-08-13T00:10:00Z")
> [@Sixclicks](#): > > It’s a terrible decision. They’ll be worse than BF4 rifles. > > It’s BF4 velocity with less than half the range before it drops to its min damage plus more drop and no ability to OHK to the chest within 12.5 meters like every rifle in BF4 could. It’s pretty much worse in every way. IT’s all relative. I’m sure the performance of the other weapons from other classes are also worse than they were in BF4. Nevermind there are so many other variables to consider like the bigger headshot hit box in BFV. Different game design equals different balance between weapons. ---
**Author:** ![Sixclicks](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sixclicks/32/103500_2.png) [@Sixclicks](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Sixclicks)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 12:10am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bolt-action-rifles-nerf-is-stupid/105736/12 "2018-08-13T00:10:00Z")
> [@trip1ex](#): > > > [@Sixclicks](#): > > > > It’s a terrible decision. They’ll be worse than BF4 rifles. > > > > It’s BF4 velocity with less than half the range before it drops to its min damage plus more drop and no ability to OHK to the chest within 12.5 meters like every rifle in BF4 could. It’s pretty much worse in every way. > > IT’s all relative. I’m sure the performance of the other weapons from other classes are also worse than they were in BF4. Nevermind there are so many other variables to consider like the bigger headshot hit box in BFV. Different game design equals different balance between weapons. The headshot hitbox is the same as BF4’s. Which was also bigger than BF1’s. ---
**Author:** ![trip1ex](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/779978/32.png) [@trip1ex](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/trip1ex)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 12:11am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bolt-action-rifles-nerf-is-stupid/105736/13 "2018-08-13T00:11:00Z")
> [@Sixclicks](#): > > > [@trip1ex](#): > > > > > [@Sixclicks](#): > > > > > > It’s a terrible decision. They’ll be worse than BF4 rifles. > > > > > > It’s BF4 velocity with less than half the range before it drops to its min damage plus more drop and no ability to OHK to the chest within 12.5 meters like every rifle in BF4 could. It’s pretty much worse in every way. > > > > IT’s all relative. I’m sure the performance of the other weapons from other classes are also worse than they were in BF4. Nevermind there are so many other variables to consider like the bigger headshot hit box in BFV. Different game design equals different balance between weapons. > > The headshot hitbox is the same as BF4’s. Which was also bigger than BF1’s. Ok. And so we are getting rifles that aren’t as easy to hit with in BFV as in BF1. Makes sense to me. And aGain it’s all relative. I’m sure all the BFV weapons of other classes aren’t as powerful as their BF4 counterparts either. And there are lots of variables to consider. In BF4 every time you shot you were lit up on the minimap. In BF4 you could also spot. This isn’t the case in BFV. Thus balance which is arrived upon through playtesting takes into a different set of variables in BFV than it did in BF4. It’s not apples to apples to compare weapons across BF games. different goals, different variables, different design. I think your posts are a case of you know enough to be dangerous. ---
**Author:** ![Sixclicks](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sixclicks/32/103500_2.png) [@Sixclicks](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Sixclicks)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 12:12am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bolt-action-rifles-nerf-is-stupid/105736/14 "2018-08-13T00:12:00Z")
> [@trip1ex](#): > > > [@Sixclicks](#): > > > > > [@trip1ex](#): > > > > > > > [@Sixclicks](#): > > > > > > > > It’s a terrible decision. They’ll be worse than BF4 rifles. > > > > > > > > It’s BF4 velocity with less than half the range before it drops to its min damage plus more drop and no ability to OHK to the chest within 12.5 meters like every rifle in BF4 could. It’s pretty much worse in every way. > > > > > > IT’s all relative. I’m sure the performance of the other weapons from other classes are also worse than they were in BF4. Nevermind there are so many other variables to consider like the bigger headshot hit box in BFV. Different game design equals different balance between weapons. > > > > The headshot hitbox is the same as BF4’s. Which was also bigger than BF1’s. > > Is it? Makes sense then to nerf the laser sniper rifles compared to BF1. Compared to BF1, sure. But compared to BF4? No. Like I said, they’re worse than BF4 rifles in pretty much every way. Fire rate might be the only thing they’re better at, although I don’t know the actual fire rate numbers for BFV. ---
**Author:** ![trip1ex](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/779978/32.png) [@trip1ex](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/trip1ex)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 12:27am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bolt-action-rifles-nerf-is-stupid/105736/15 "2018-08-13T00:27:00Z")
> [@Sixclicks](#): > > > [@trip1ex](#): > > > > > [@Sixclicks](#): > > > > > > > [@trip1ex](#): > > > > > > > > > [@Sixclicks](#): > > > > > > > > > > It’s a terrible decision. They’ll be worse than BF4 rifles. > > > > > > > > > > It’s BF4 velocity with less than half the range before it drops to its min damage plus more drop and no ability to OHK to the chest within 12.5 meters like every rifle in BF4 could. It’s pretty much worse in every way. > > > > > > > > IT’s all relative. I’m sure the performance of the other weapons from other classes are also worse than they were in BF4. Nevermind there are so many other variables to consider like the bigger headshot hit box in BFV. Different game design equals different balance between weapons. > > > > > > The headshot hitbox is the same as BF4’s. Which was also bigger than BF1’s. > > > > Is it? Makes sense then to nerf the laser sniper rifles compared to BF1. > > Compared to BF1, sure. But compared to BF4? No. Like I said, they’re worse than BF4 rifles in pretty much every way. Fire rate might be the only thing they’re better at, although I don’t know the actual fire rate numbers for BFV. different design. BFV isn’t BF4. YOu’re acting like they are placing BFV sniper rifles into BF4. ---
**Author:** ![rainkloud](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/rainkloud/32/103214_2.png) [@rainkloud](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/rainkloud)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 1:33am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bolt-action-rifles-nerf-is-stupid/105736/16 "2018-08-13T01:33:00Z")
> [@Sixclicks](#): > > It’s a terrible decision. They’ll be worse than BF4 rifles. > > It’s BF4 velocity with less than half the range before it drops to its min damage plus more drop and no ability to OHK to the chest within 12.5 meters like every rifle in BF4 could. It’s pretty much worse in every way. > > Meanwhile assault and medic are extremely easy to do well with. Nope in the words of the great philosopher Meatwad “That ain’t right.” Copying mostly from my reply in another thread responding to your drama and attempts to mislead players: Differences between current muzzle velocity and Alpha 2 at 600mv Bullet Drop 700MV 100m - .02m 200m - .45m 300m - 1.76m 600MV 100m - .05m 200m - .67m 300m - 2.51m At 100m the difference is virtually indistinguishable. 200m it’s a blip on the radar but still very manageable. Only at 300m does it become a real factor. Regarding Time to target: “At 150m there’s about .05 seconds difference in time to target. At 100m it’s less than .03 sec difference. It’s really only going to begin to reveal itself to be a significant factor at more extreme ranges.” Then you neglect to mention that _attrition will result in many more players running below max health rendering then vulnerable to being killed by snipers who hit with body shots_. That’s a **HUGE** difference from BF4. Giving 1HK out to 12m makes shotguns and smgs less attractive in comparison so let’s not go screwing up the whole weapon ecosystem because you’re either unwilling or unable to grasp the concepts at play here. ---
**Author:** ![CodaciousMan](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/73ab20/32.png) [@CodaciousMan](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/CodaciousMan)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 3:31am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bolt-action-rifles-nerf-is-stupid/105736/17 "2018-08-13T03:31:00Z")
> [@rainkloud](#): > > > [@Sixclicks](#): > > > > It’s a terrible decision. They’ll be worse than BF4 rifles. > > > > It’s BF4 velocity with less than half the range before it drops to its min damage plus more drop and no ability to OHK to the chest within 12.5 meters like every rifle in BF4 could. It’s pretty much worse in every way. > > > > Meanwhile assault and medic are extremely easy to do well with. > > Nope in the words of the great philosopher Meatwad “That ain’t right.” > > Copying mostly from my reply in another thread responding to your drama and attempts to mislead players: > > Differences between current muzzle velocity and Alpha 2 at 600mv > > Bullet Drop > 700MV > 100m - .02m > 200m - .45m > 300m - 1.76m > > 600MV > 100m - .05m > 200m - .67m > 300m - 2.51m > > At 100m the difference is virtually indistinguishable. 200m it’s a blip on the radar but still very manageable. Only at 300m does it become a real factor. > > Regarding Time to target: > > “At 150m there’s about .05 seconds difference in time to target. At 100m it’s less than .03 sec difference. It’s really only going to begin to reveal itself to be a significant factor at more extreme ranges.” > > Then you neglect to mention that _attrition will result in many more players running below max health rendering then vulnerable to being killed by snipers who hit with body shots_. That’s a **HUGE** difference from BF4. Giving 1HK out to 12m makes shotguns and smgs less attractive in comparison so let’s not go screwing up the whole weapon ecosystem because you’re either unwilling or unable to grasp the concepts at play here. nice i was thinking the same thing. my main class is sniping. I am 110% with this change. Sniping in bf1 was too easy. ---
**Author:** ![Sixclicks](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sixclicks/32/103500_2.png) [@Sixclicks](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Sixclicks)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 9:56am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bolt-action-rifles-nerf-is-stupid/105736/18 "2018-08-13T09:56:00Z")
> [@rainkloud](#): > > > [@Sixclicks](#): > > > > It’s a terrible decision. They’ll be worse than BF4 rifles. > > > > It’s BF4 velocity with less than half the range before it drops to its min damage plus more drop and no ability to OHK to the chest within 12.5 meters like every rifle in BF4 could. It’s pretty much worse in every way. > > > > Meanwhile assault and medic are extremely easy to do well with. > > Nope in the words of the great philosopher Meatwad “That ain’t right.” > > Copying mostly from my reply in another thread responding to your drama and attempts to mislead players: > > Differences between current muzzle velocity and Alpha 2 at 600mv > > Bullet Drop > 700MV > 100m - .02m > 200m - .45m > 300m - 1.76m > > 600MV > 100m - .05m > 200m - .67m > 300m - 2.51m > > At 100m the difference is virtually indistinguishable. 200m it’s a blip on the radar but still very manageable. Only at 300m does it become a real factor. > > Regarding Time to target: > > “At 150m there’s about .05 seconds difference in time to target. At 100m it’s less than .03 sec difference. It’s really only going to begin to reveal itself to be a significant factor at more extreme ranges.” > > Then you neglect to mention that _attrition will result in many more players running below max health rendering then vulnerable to being killed by snipers who hit with body shots_. That’s a **HUGE** difference from BF4. Giving 1HK out to 12m makes shotguns and smgs less attractive in comparison so let’s not go screwing up the whole weapon ecosystem because you’re either unwilling or unable to grasp the concepts at play here. I answered this comment in the other thread. There’s no reason for you to double post. My posts have never been misleading. It’s not my problem if someone doesn’t understand how percentages work. My point still stands. The rifles are objectively worse than BF4 rifles in essentially every way. Attrition has nowhere near as much impact as you think (read the reply on the other thread). The reduced damage also leads to less ability to get assists as kills (again, read the other thread). Same for my response to the OHK part, read the other thread. [Stop ruining the TTK!](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/stop-ruining-the-ttk/105735) With comments like this, you’re starting to look like a worthless troll. I’ll summarize it all for you again anyway: 1. 700 m/s to 600 m/s nerf is equivalent to a 17% increase in time to target and a 36% increase in drop (oh no! your mortal enemy, percentages!), not including drag. 2. BF4 didn’t have drag. BFV does. So we have a similar velocity to BF4 rifles with significantly more apparent drop due to drag. 3. BF4 rifles could OHK out to 12.5 meters to the chest. BFV rifles cannot. 4. BF4 rifles dropped to a minimum damage of 59 at 150 meters. BFV rifles drop to a minimum damage of 55 at 60 meters. 5. BF4 had the same headshot hitbox size as BFV has. 6. With attrition in its current state, if you hide behind cover each time after being hit by a scout to auto heal 40 health, you can take a maximum of 4 hits starting with 100 health before you die. 7. To die in one shot to the chest from a scout at 60 or more meters away, you had to have been injured down to 15 health in a prior fight since you can auto heal 40 48 health, or you need to have literally just gotten out of a firefight with less than 55 health left. 8. 55 min damage means you’ll get less “assist counts as kills” compared to the first alpha since you need to do at least 60 damage for one. Meanwhile medic can still hit you twice to any part of the body at any range to get an assist counts as kill. In other words, scouts will post less kills on the scoreboard compared to the first alpha. ---
**Author:** ![SWE-Androctonus](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/71e660/32.png) [@SWE-Androctonus](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SWE-Androctonus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 9:57am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bolt-action-rifles-nerf-is-stupid/105736/19 "2018-08-13T09:57:00Z")
Bf4 didn’t have drag so the bullets had the same velocity at 1000m as at the muzzle. 600mps with bullet drag is a bit slow. You won’t hit anythng moving at more than 100m But I like that they are using the alpha to test things before the release. ---
**Author:** ![Sixclicks](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sixclicks/32/103500_2.png) [@Sixclicks](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Sixclicks)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 10:35am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bolt-action-rifles-nerf-is-stupid/105736/20 "2018-08-13T10:35:00Z")
A comparison of BF4’s SRR-61 versus BFV’s 2nd Alpha Kar 98 assuming BFV gravity is the same as BF1’s: ![Kar_98_vs_SRR-61.png](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/3/c/3c26e576e0556f56d336f08790848a18d2301dc9.png) Drop 1 is the Kar 98. Drop 2 is the SRR-61. Since it’s difficult to tell with the Y scale on the chart, here are some numbers: **100 meters** Kar98: 0.202 m drop, 188 ms TTT (time to target) SRR-61: 0.074 m drop, 161 ms TTT **200 meters** Kar98: 1.08 m drop, 431 ms TTT SRR-61: 0.304 m drop, 323 ms TTT **300 meters** Kar98: 3.25 m drop, 742 ms TTT SRR-61: 0.691 m drop, 484 ms TTT BF4 rifles sucked enough as it was. And BFV rifles will be worse. Time to start DMR sniping instead. [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bolt-action-rifles-nerf-is-stupid/105736.md?page=2)