# Bought a Xbox One X and XIM APEX. Returned them both for a refund. **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 9, 2018, 11:39am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350 "2018-03-09T11:39:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![MegaloDorian](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/f14d63/32.png) [@MegaloDorian](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MegaloDorian)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 5:48am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/21 "2018-03-10T05:48:00Z")
> [@TheGM86](#): > > > [@faponit](#): > > > > > [@TEKNOCODE](#): > > > > > > This is me running to build a gaming pc after reading this. > > > ![tenor.gif](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/0/2/02820774977512758ae407ca4a3c4e8aa37a3d8c.gif) > > > > More like this is you being excited that you have to sell your kidney to get a graphic card šŸ˜® > > He could buy one of mine. > > ![BN-XK000_0208CR_H_20180208184601.jpg](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/e/9/e9b0eb18575b8ca4525f0146ae301c3169ba470f.jpeg) thatā€™stheevilestthingicanimagine.meme ---
**Author:** ![kampkaos\_420](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/e9bcb4/32.png) [@kampkaos\_420](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/kampkaos_420)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 6:40am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/22 "2018-03-10T06:40:00Z")
Soā€¦cheaters are more fun to play with than without as long as there is no lag? Interesting.. ---
**Author:** ![trip1ex](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/779978/32.png) [@trip1ex](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/trip1ex)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 8:31am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/23 "2018-03-10T08:31:00Z")
i got mine on the way. i canā€™t wait to test. i tried one of these like 10 years ago. didnā€™t like it. ---
**Author:** ![ProLegion\_exor](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/prolegion_exor/32/101880_2.png) [@ProLegion\_exor](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ProLegion_exor)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 9:44am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/24 "2018-03-10T09:44:00Z")
Consoles canā€™t handle 64p servers. 32p or lower 60hz and there is no problem to play on console. ---
**Author:** ![MachoFantast1c0](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/machofantast1c0/32/100978_2.png) [@MachoFantast1c0](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MachoFantast1c0)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 12:22pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/25 "2018-03-10T12:22:00Z")
> [@kampkaos\_420\_](#): > > Soā€¦cheaters are more fun to play with than without as long as there is no lag? Interesting.. Cheaters are now exceedingly rare in EU and US East. Havenā€™t seen one in months. Some are just too paranoid. Jjju is constantly posting on Twitter and Reddit how theyā€™ve got the situation under control. If the console messages are correct, they ban globally about two hundred players per day. ---
**Author:** ![ackers75](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/b2d939/32.png) [@ackers75](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ackers75)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 12:51pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/26 "2018-03-10T12:51:00Z")
> [@MachoFantast1c0](#): > > > [@kampkaos\_420\_](#): > > > > Soā€¦cheaters are more fun to play with than without as long as there is no lag? Interesting.. > > Cheaters are now exceedingly rare in EU and US East. Havenā€™t seen one in months. Some are just too paranoid. Jjju is constantly posting on Twitter and Reddit how theyā€™ve got the situation under control. If the console messages are correct, they ban globally about two hundred players per day. Keep telling yourself that and it might become true at some point ---
**Author:** ![Saddisticspeller](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/saddisticspeller/32/103350_2.png) [@Saddisticspeller](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Saddisticspeller)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 7:16pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/27 "2018-03-10T19:16:00Z")
Well duh, consoles are inherently less powerful then PCs 3x the price. This is coming from someone who plays both quite a lot. I just donā€™t want to give EA/DICE more money to buy it on 2 systems when most of the people I play with are on console with me. ---
**Author:** ![BaronVonGoon](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/baronvongoon/32/100934_2.png) [@BaronVonGoon](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BaronVonGoon)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 7:56pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/28 "2018-03-10T19:56:00Z")
> [@ProLegion\_exor](#): > > Consoles canā€™t handle 64p servers. 32p or lower 60hz and there is no problem to play on console. Operations I feel is unplayable on console. I mean you can have fun but if you have any competitiveness in you, the rage from the awful frames will eventually get you. Conquest is playable on console. It doesnā€™t happen all that often but there are times when the majority of the players on the server are around 1 flag (Ex. An all cap) and the frames dip to unplayable levels. Its really hard to get a feel for how this affects gameplay, but you can test 60 Hz servers to see the difference. Its a big difference. Again if youā€™re just playing for lulz youā€™re not going to notice dips in frames nor care. TDM plays like PC. Unfortunately for me I canā€™t play TDM anymore, conquest is my Battlefield experience. ---
**Author:** ![UraniumReaper](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/uraniumreaper/32/103950_2.png) [@UraniumReaper](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/UraniumReaper)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 9:12pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/29 "2018-03-10T21:12:00Z")
> [@BaronVonGoon](#): > > > [@ProLegion\_exor](#): > > > > Consoles canā€™t handle 64p servers. 32p or lower 60hz and there is no problem to play on console. > > Operations I feel is unplayable on console. I mean you can have fun but if you have any competitiveness in you, the rage from the awful frames will eventually get you. > > Conquest is playable on console. It doesnā€™t happen all that often but there are times when the majority of the players on the server are around 1 flag (Ex. An all cap) and the frames dip to unplayable levels. > > Its really hard to get a feel for how this affects gameplay, but you can test 60 Hz servers to see the difference. Its a big difference. Again if youā€™re just playing for lulz youā€™re not going to notice dips in frames nor care. > > TDM plays like PC. Unfortunately for me I canā€™t play TDM anymore, conquest is my Battlefield experience. I think you are over exaggerating with it being ā€œunplayableā€ on operations, but I guess you might be one of those super salty BF players that claims you only lost/died because of lag or something hahaha (this is a joke btw) I play on the OG PS4 and rarely have lag, except during the release of INOTT and the microstutter with apocalypse. The only lag I experience regularly is near large fires on Verdun Heights and the trenches in Argonne Forest by ā€œDā€ flag. All that being said, I wish I had my PC up to date so I could play it on thereā€¦ but I just donā€™t have the funds to allocate to it. ---
**Author:** ![Toshevbg](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/a698b9/32.png) [@Toshevbg](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Toshevbg)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2018, 1:45am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/30 "2018-03-11T01:45:00Z")
So you leave P.C. because of cheaters and then you buy some device that gives you great advantage over players and that is used maybe by 0,1 of the game population? P.S XIm is cheating for me nobody can honestly say it isnā€™t. Save me the crap your not as accurateā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Greeny\_Huwjarz](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/greeny_huwjarz/32/102119_2.png) [@Greeny\_Huwjarz](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Greeny_Huwjarz)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2018, 3:08am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/31 "2018-03-11T03:08:00Z")
> [@Toshevbg](#): > > So you leave P.C. because of cheaters and then you buy some device that gives you great advantage over players and that is used maybe by 0,1 of the game population? > > P.S XIm is cheating for me nobody can honestly say it isnā€™t. Save me the crap your not as accurateā€¦ I can honestly say it isnā€™t cheating. Therefore you are wrong. And so have the moderators on these forums and a dev. Let me know why I should listen to your opinion over a moderator and a dev? I bet that that you never even tried one but all your deaths are caused by them. ---
**Author:** ![trip1ex](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/779978/32.png) [@trip1ex](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/trip1ex)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2018, 3:49am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/32 "2018-03-11T03:49:00Z")
i tested it out. works pretty good. happy enough about it i am will keep it for the time being instead of selling it on ebay. still no pc mouse where you can really snap aim but itā€™s better than I remember these things being 10 years ago and the app is pretty nifty for changing the config on the fly. ps4 gets a little choppy on amiens once the train comes out. ---
**Author:** ![Toshevbg](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/a698b9/32.png) [@Toshevbg](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Toshevbg)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2018, 12:32pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/33 "2018-03-11T12:32:00Z")
> [@HuwJarz](#): > > > [@Toshevbg](#): > > > > So you leave P.C. because of cheaters and then you buy some device that gives you great advantage over players and that is used maybe by 0,1 of the game population? > > > > P.S XIm is cheating for me nobody can honestly say it isnā€™t. Save me the crap your not as accurateā€¦ > > I can honestly say it isnā€™t cheating. Therefore you are wrong. And so have the moderators on these forums and a dev. Let me know why I should listen to your opinion over a moderator and a dev? I bet that that you never even tried one but all your deaths are caused by them. I am probably top 100/200 player on xbox eu servers so i dont really have a problem with dying to xim users. My kpm is 2.7 with farquh optical 90 stars with spm 3000 In my opinion its cheating . It can turn bad playrr into a good one if he has brains On overwatch the mods and blizzard are against it and they admit it gives amazing asvantage over controller ---
**Author:** ![TEKNOCODE](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/teknocode/32/103723_2.png) [@TEKNOCODE](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TEKNOCODE)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2018, 12:41pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/34 "2018-03-11T12:41:00Z")
> [@Toshevbg](#): > > > [@HuwJarz](#): > > > > > [@Toshevbg](#): > > > > > > So you leave P.C. because of cheaters and then you buy some device that gives you great advantage over players and that is used maybe by 0,1 of the game population? > > > > > > P.S XIm is cheating for me nobody can honestly say it isnā€™t. Save me the crap your not as accurateā€¦ > > > > I can honestly say it isnā€™t cheating. Therefore you are wrong. And so have the moderators on these forums and a dev. Let me know why I should listen to your opinion over a moderator and a dev? I bet that that you never even tried one but all your deaths are caused by them. > > I am probably top 100/200 player on xbox eu servers so i dont really have a problem with dying to xim users. My kpm is 2.7 with farquh optical 90 stars with spm 3000 > > In my opinion its cheating . It can turn bad playrr into a good one if he has brains > On overwatch the mods and blizzard are against it and they admit it gives amazing asvantage over controller You will probably tell me that my elite controller is cheating. ---
**Author:** ![ThePunisher\_be](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/278dde/32.png) [@ThePunisher\_be](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ThePunisher_be)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2018, 12:49pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/35 "2018-03-11T12:49:00Z")
These crybabies stating that BF1 has a rampant cheating problem šŸ˜ƒ I have encountered ONE spinbotter since this game launched, and maybe a wallhacker here and there. ---
**Author:** ![Daallaass09](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/ea666f/32.png) [@Daallaass09](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Daallaass09)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2018, 12:55pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/36 "2018-03-11T12:55:00Z")
> [@Ploodovic](#): > > Play with a controller, like everyone else on console? but where is the advantage in that lol ---
**Author:** ![Toshevbg](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/a698b9/32.png) [@Toshevbg](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Toshevbg)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2018, 1:00pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/37 "2018-03-11T13:00:00Z")
> [@TEKNOCODE](#): > > > [@Toshevbg](#): > > > > > [@HuwJarz](#): > > > > > > > [@Toshevbg](#): > > > > > > > > So you leave P.C. because of cheaters and then you buy some device that gives you great advantage over players and that is used maybe by 0,1 of the game population? > > > > > > > > P.S XIm is cheating for me nobody can honestly say it isnā€™t. Save me the crap your not as accurateā€¦ > > > > > > I can honestly say it isnā€™t cheating. Therefore you are wrong. And so have the moderators on these forums and a dev. Let me know why I should listen to your opinion over a moderator and a dev? I bet that that you never even tried one but all your deaths are caused by them. > > > > I am probably top 100/200 player on xbox eu servers so i dont really have a problem with dying to xim users. My kpm is 2.7 with farquh optical 90 stars with spm 3000 > > > > In my opinion its cheating . It can turn bad playrr into a good one if he has brains > > On overwatch the mods and blizzard are against it and they admit it gives amazing asvantage over controller > > You will probably tell me that my elite controller is cheating. Elite controller - No MODDED cronus controllrr - Yes If you cant see a difference between mouse and keyboard with third party software with smoothing options etc with an expensive xboz controller i havr nothing to sayā€¦ On real lifr bf tournaments nobody will permit using mnk Why are people getting offended when people say Ximn is cheatjng? ---
**Author:** ![TEKNOCODE](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/teknocode/32/103723_2.png) [@TEKNOCODE](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TEKNOCODE)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2018, 1:05pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/38 "2018-03-11T13:05:00Z")
> [@Toshevbg](#): > > > [@TEKNOCODE](#): > > > > > [@Toshevbg](#): > > > > > > > [@HuwJarz](#): > > > > > > > > > [@Toshevbg](#): > > > > > > > > > > So you leave P.C. because of cheaters and then you buy some device that gives you great advantage over players and that is used maybe by 0,1 of the game population? > > > > > > > > > > P.S XIm is cheating for me nobody can honestly say it isnā€™t. Save me the crap your not as accurateā€¦ > > > > > > > > I can honestly say it isnā€™t cheating. Therefore you are wrong. And so have the moderators on these forums and a dev. Let me know why I should listen to your opinion over a moderator and a dev? I bet that that you never even tried one but all your deaths are caused by them. > > > > > > I am probably top 100/200 player on xbox eu servers so i dont really have a problem with dying to xim users. My kpm is 2.7 with farquh optical 90 stars with spm 3000 > > > > > > In my opinion its cheating . It can turn bad playrr into a good one if he has brains > > > On overwatch the mods and blizzard are against it and they admit it gives amazing asvantage over controller > > > > You will probably tell me that my elite controller is cheating. > > Elite controller - No > MODDED cronus controllrr - Yes > > If you cant see a difference between mouse and keyboard with third party software with smoothing options etc with an expensive xboz controller i havr nothing to sayā€¦ > > On real lifr bf tournaments nobody will permit using mnk > > Why are people getting offended when people say Ximn is cheatjng? \*xbox \*have \*life \*xim \*cheating No one is offended because itā€™s not cheating. ---
**Author:** ![Toshevbg](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/a698b9/32.png) [@Toshevbg](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Toshevbg)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2018, 1:20pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/39 "2018-03-11T13:20:00Z")
Is Xim sold in xbox store? Do you get it with your console? Does 99 percent of the game population have it? I am pretty sure 95 percent does not even know such thing exist? Xbox one s cost 300 dollars Xim and a decent mouse cost 200$ You aim better, you turn around better, you snipr much bettrt (aim assist is off on snipong) you can jump and shoot like crazy( other games), you strafe better, Sure man its the same like controller I agree with you something that cost 200 dollars and improves every aspext of your game is nothing to worry about ---
**Author:** ![TEKNOCODE](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/teknocode/32/103723_2.png) [@TEKNOCODE](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TEKNOCODE)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2018, 1:36pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/40 "2018-03-11T13:36:00Z")
Talk about being upset. Iā€™m going to buy one just to add it to my sig. I wonā€™t even use it because I canā€™t imagine playing with a m&k. [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350.md?page=1) [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350.md?page=3)