# Bought a Xbox One X and XIM APEX. Returned them both for a refund. **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 9, 2018, 11:39am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350 "2018-03-09T11:39:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![ackers75](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/b2d939/32.png) [@ackers75](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ackers75)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2018, 11:39pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/41 "2018-03-11T23:39:00Z")
How many people use a controller on pc multiplayer? I think that about sums it up! ---
**Author:** ![trip1ex](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/779978/32.png) [@trip1ex](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/trip1ex)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 12:33am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/42 "2018-03-12T00:33:00Z")
> [@ackers75](#): > > How many people use a controller on pc multiplayer? > I think that about sums it up! at least the same number that use xim lol. ---
**Author:** ![Greeny\_Huwjarz](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/greeny_huwjarz/32/102119_2.png) [@Greeny\_Huwjarz](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Greeny_Huwjarz)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 12:44am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/43 "2018-03-12T00:44:00Z")
> [@Toshevbg](#): > > > [@HuwJarz](#): > > > > > [@Toshevbg](#): > > > > > > So you leave P.C. because of cheaters and then you buy some device that gives you great advantage over players and that is used maybe by 0,1 of the game population? > > > > > > P.S XIm is cheating for me nobody can honestly say it isn’t. Save me the crap your not as accurate… > > > > I can honestly say it isn’t cheating. Therefore you are wrong. And so have the moderators on these forums and a dev. Let me know why I should listen to your opinion over a moderator and a dev? I bet that that you never even tried one but all your deaths are caused by them. > > I am probably top 100/200 player on xbox eu servers so i dont really have a problem with dying to xim users. My kpm is 2.7 with farquh optical 90 stars with spm 3000 > > In my opinion its cheating . It can turn bad playrr into a good one if he has brains > On overwatch the mods and blizzard are against it and they admit it gives amazing asvantage over controller Right. So your credentials in calling it cheating are that you are good at BF1. Not a representative of DICE and not a representative of EA, but yet, because you are good at BF1, then your opinion should override theirs. You say that you don’t have a problem dying to them, but here you are bleating and whining. Finally, we are not playing Overwatch, we are playing BF1. And EA and DICE game. Argument deconstructed again, Thanks for trying. ---
**Author:** ![nefariouscheat](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/nefariouscheat/32/102855_2.png) [@nefariouscheat](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/nefariouscheat)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 9:25am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/44 "2018-03-13T09:25:00Z")
Xbox One X is a beast CONSOLE. So it must be you. Also talking about cheating on PC, yet you buy a XIM for Xbox… who are you fooling? ---
**Author:** ![Toshevbg](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/a698b9/32.png) [@Toshevbg](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Toshevbg)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 3:26pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/45 "2018-03-13T15:26:00Z")
> [@Motafied](#): > > Xbox One X is a beast CONSOLE. So it must be you. Also talking about cheating on PC, yet you buy a XIM for Xbox… who are you fooling? Amen Huw are you using Xim? ---
**Author:** ![spartanx169x](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/dfb087/32.png) [@spartanx169x](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/spartanx169x)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 3:37pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/46 "2018-03-13T15:37:00Z")
> [@Oskool\_007](#): > > Thought I might like gaming on Xbox in order to get away from PC cheaters, but after two days playing BF1 on Xbox I went back to PC. > > There was micro rubberbanding on all of the Xbox BF1 servers in all regions. It was minor but I noticed it while running around and found it distracting. I joined an empty server and there was no micro rubberbanding. > > 30hz tickrate servers feel less fluid than 60hz servers. Gameplay feels faster and more fluid on 60hz servers. 30hz definitely feels more laggy. > > Input lag is higher on Xbox due to v-sync. I had trouble sniping with a mouse if the polling rate was 125hz, due to high input lag. > > 1000hz mouse polling rate on XIM definitely reduces input lag, but causes mouse jitter for some reason. Which makes the game feel like it’s dropping frames and stuttering when moving the mouse around, but really it’s XIM dropping mouse inputs. > > XIM has a ‘smoothing’ option to reduce jitter, but I don’t understand why the jitter is there in the first place. High mouse DPI causes jitter, not high polling rate. At 1000hz/3000dpi I shouldn’t be experiencing jitter. > > I believe the jitter is caused because the Xbox controller polls at 125hz while the mouse is polling at 1000hz. I think the two devices become out-of-sync due to this difference in polling rate. If the mouse is set to 125hz, same as the Xbox controller, there’s no jitter. > > Xbox One X couldn’t maintain a locked 60fps in BF1. There wasn’t any major FPS drops, but small stutters regularly happen due to small frame drops just below 60fps. I found XIM’s mouse jitter caused more stuttering than the Xbox did dropping frames. > > I had to decide between fast snappy gameplay with cheaters on PC, or slower more laggy gameplay with no cheaters on Xbox. I can honestly say I enjoy playing BF1 on PC more. I even missed the toxic chatbox PC has. It entertains me. > > Maybe next gen consoles will support variable refresh rate and have low input lag. With CPUs that allow for 60hz servers. I’ll give console gaming another try when the next gen consoles come out. What country are you in? ---
**Author:** ![RudeAwakeningEh](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/rudeawakeningeh/32/103319_2.png) [@RudeAwakeningEh](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/RudeAwakeningEh)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 3:46pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/47 "2018-03-13T15:46:00Z")
> [@Toshevbg](#): > > Is Xim sold in xbox store? Do you get it with your console? Does 99 percent of the game population have it? I am pretty sure 95 percent does not even know such thing exist? > Xbox one s cost 300 dollars > Xim and a decent mouse cost 200$ > > You aim better, you turn around better, you snipr much bettrt (aim assist is off on snipong) you can jump and shoot like crazy( other games), you strafe better, > > Sure man its the same like controller > I agree with you something that cost 200 dollars and improves every aspext of your game is nothing to worry about There are a bunch of things you buy extra with consoles or gaming in general. Headphones, grips, joystick extenders, paddles that attach to controllers, along with aftermarket/premium controllers such as the elite controller and scuff. Is it cheating when a person uses a racing wheel against joystick players in a racing game? It’s all up for debate but ultimately Sony accepts these third party software such as XIM as it operates within their controllers software perimeters. ---
**Author:** ![Oskool\_007](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/oskool_007/32/103047_2.png) [@Oskool\_007](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Oskool_007)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 4:43pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/48 "2018-03-13T16:43:00Z")
> [@spartanx169x](#): > > > [@Oskool\_007](#): > > > > Thought I might like gaming on Xbox in order to get away from PC cheaters, but after two days playing BF1 on Xbox I went back to PC. > > > > There was micro rubberbanding on all of the Xbox BF1 servers in all regions. It was minor but I noticed it while running around and found it distracting. I joined an empty server and there was no micro rubberbanding. > > > > 30hz tickrate servers feel less fluid than 60hz servers. Gameplay feels faster and more fluid on 60hz servers. 30hz definitely feels more laggy. > > > > Input lag is higher on Xbox due to v-sync. I had trouble sniping with a mouse if the polling rate was 125hz, due to high input lag. > > > > 1000hz mouse polling rate on XIM definitely reduces input lag, but causes mouse jitter for some reason. Which makes the game feel like it’s dropping frames and stuttering when moving the mouse around, but really it’s XIM dropping mouse inputs. > > > > XIM has a ‘smoothing’ option to reduce jitter, but I don’t understand why the jitter is there in the first place. High mouse DPI causes jitter, not high polling rate. At 1000hz/3000dpi I shouldn’t be experiencing jitter. > > > > I believe the jitter is caused because the Xbox controller polls at 125hz while the mouse is polling at 1000hz. I think the two devices become out-of-sync due to this difference in polling rate. If the mouse is set to 125hz, same as the Xbox controller, there’s no jitter. > > > > Xbox One X couldn’t maintain a locked 60fps in BF1. There wasn’t any major FPS drops, but small stutters regularly happen due to small frame drops just below 60fps. I found XIM’s mouse jitter caused more stuttering than the Xbox did dropping frames. > > > > I had to decide between fast snappy gameplay with cheaters on PC, or slower more laggy gameplay with no cheaters on Xbox. I can honestly say I enjoy playing BF1 on PC more. I even missed the toxic chatbox PC has. It entertains me. > > > > Maybe next gen consoles will support variable refresh rate and have low input lag. With CPUs that allow for 60hz servers. I’ll give console gaming another try when the next gen consoles come out. > > What country are you in? I’m an American living in America. ---
**Author:** ![BaronVonGoon](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/baronvongoon/32/100934_2.png) [@BaronVonGoon](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BaronVonGoon)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 7:20pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/49 "2018-03-13T19:20:00Z")
> [@Oskool\_007](#): > > > [@spartanx169x](#): > > > > > [@Oskool\_007](#): > > > > > > Thought I might like gaming on Xbox in order to get away from PC cheaters, but after two days playing BF1 on Xbox I went back to PC. > > > > > > There was micro rubberbanding on all of the Xbox BF1 servers in all regions. It was minor but I noticed it while running around and found it distracting. I joined an empty server and there was no micro rubberbanding. > > > > > > 30hz tickrate servers feel less fluid than 60hz servers. Gameplay feels faster and more fluid on 60hz servers. 30hz definitely feels more laggy. > > > > > > Input lag is higher on Xbox due to v-sync. I had trouble sniping with a mouse if the polling rate was 125hz, due to high input lag. > > > > > > 1000hz mouse polling rate on XIM definitely reduces input lag, but causes mouse jitter for some reason. Which makes the game feel like it’s dropping frames and stuttering when moving the mouse around, but really it’s XIM dropping mouse inputs. > > > > > > XIM has a ‘smoothing’ option to reduce jitter, but I don’t understand why the jitter is there in the first place. High mouse DPI causes jitter, not high polling rate. At 1000hz/3000dpi I shouldn’t be experiencing jitter. > > > > > > I believe the jitter is caused because the Xbox controller polls at 125hz while the mouse is polling at 1000hz. I think the two devices become out-of-sync due to this difference in polling rate. If the mouse is set to 125hz, same as the Xbox controller, there’s no jitter. > > > > > > Xbox One X couldn’t maintain a locked 60fps in BF1. There wasn’t any major FPS drops, but small stutters regularly happen due to small frame drops just below 60fps. I found XIM’s mouse jitter caused more stuttering than the Xbox did dropping frames. > > > > > > I had to decide between fast snappy gameplay with cheaters on PC, or slower more laggy gameplay with no cheaters on Xbox. I can honestly say I enjoy playing BF1 on PC more. I even missed the toxic chatbox PC has. It entertains me. > > > > > > Maybe next gen consoles will support variable refresh rate and have low input lag. With CPUs that allow for 60hz servers. I’ll give console gaming another try when the next gen consoles come out. > > > > What country are you in? > > I’m an American living in America. ![tenor.gif?itemid=3553193](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/8/9/8965b968bd41ada162c01e597f9d41827d592d3d.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Greeny\_Huwjarz](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/greeny_huwjarz/32/102119_2.png) [@Greeny\_Huwjarz](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Greeny_Huwjarz)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 10:46pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/50 "2018-03-13T22:46:00Z")
> [@Toshevbg](#): > > > [@Motafied](#): > > > > Xbox One X is a beast CONSOLE. So it must be you. Also talking about cheating on PC, yet you buy a XIM for Xbox… who are you fooling? > > Amen > > Huw are you using Xim? Proud XIM user. ---
**Author:** ![research-kitchen](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/bc8723/32.png) [@research-kitchen](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/research-kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2018, 2:18am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/51 "2018-03-14T02:18:00Z")
I have always played fps games on PC, starting with Delta Force, Quake, bf1942 up to present. A friend of mine had modern warfare on xbox " I’m guessing this was 10 /12 years ago" so I said sure i’ll buy it for my xbox and give it a try. That was a mistake I had prolly a 1 kdr don’t remember not very good. So I played it for a month on xbox with him thinking i’ll get use to using a controller, I didn’t improve at all. I couldn’t really kill anyone at long distance, up close I did ok but prolly had around the same KDR. So after a month I decided to buy it for pc to see what was up, and yes it was an immediate turn around. Went from a 1 kdr on xbox to 4 kdr on pc. So no I will never play an FPS on console again, for those that have never played FPS on PC your missing out, except for the cheating. Whoever says their is no cheating in BF1 that’s just stupid, either they are cheating or they don’t know what to look for. I’m sure if I had ESP hack I could get a 10 plus KDR also! ---
**Author:** ![ProLegion\_exor](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/prolegion_exor/32/101880_2.png) [@ProLegion\_exor](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ProLegion_exor)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2018, 4:51am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/52 "2018-03-14T04:51:00Z")
> [@research-kitchen](#): > > I have always played fps games on PC, starting with Delta Force, Quake, bf1942 up to present. A friend of mine had modern warfare on xbox " I’m guessing this was 10 /12 years ago" so I said sure i’ll buy it for my xbox and give it a try. That was a mistake I had prolly a 1 kdr don’t remember not very good. So I played it for a month on xbox with him thinking i’ll get use to using a controller, I didn’t improve at all. I couldn’t really kill anyone at long distance, up close I did ok but prolly had around the same KDR. So after a month I decided to buy it for pc to see what was up, and yes it was an immediate turn around. Went from a 1 kdr on xbox to 4 kdr on pc. So no I will never play an FPS on console again, for those that have never played FPS on PC your missing out, except for the cheating. Whoever says their is no cheating in BF1 that’s just stupid, either they are cheating or they don’t know what to look for. I’m sure if I had ESP hack I could get a 10 plus KDR also! If you gave the console more time your K/D would have improved. The transition is hard to do and take time. ---
**Author:** ![MachoFantast1c0](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/machofantast1c0/32/100978_2.png) [@MachoFantast1c0](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MachoFantast1c0)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2018, 8:00am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/53 "2018-03-14T08:00:00Z")
> [@research-kitchen](#): > > I have always played fps games on PC, starting with Delta Force, Quake, bf1942 up to present. A friend of mine had modern warfare on xbox " I’m guessing this was 10 /12 years ago" so I said sure i’ll buy it for my xbox and give it a try. That was a mistake I had prolly a 1 kdr don’t remember not very good. So I played it for a month on xbox with him thinking i’ll get use to using a controller, I didn’t improve at all. I couldn’t really kill anyone at long distance, up close I did ok but prolly had around the same KDR. So after a month I decided to buy it for pc to see what was up, and yes it was an immediate turn around. Went from a 1 kdr on xbox to 4 kdr on pc. So no I will never play an FPS on console again, for those that have never played FPS on PC your missing out, except for the cheating. Whoever says their is no cheating in BF1 that’s just stupid, either they are cheating or they don’t know what to look for. I’m sure if I had ESP hack I could get a 10 plus KDR also! I’m confused, your KD is 1.67, not 4. So the performance spread between console and PC is not actually that significant. . BTW, a KD of 4 (infantry) would mean you are in the top 0.1 percent of talent, a beast if you will. And considering you almost exclusively run the Automatico Trench and Hellriegel, this is not the case in the least. You are also way off base with your ESP speculation, subtle cheaters do not go 10 KD, only rage cheaters do. ---
**Author:** ![ackers75](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/b2d939/32.png) [@ackers75](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ackers75)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2018, 9:11am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/54 "2018-03-14T09:11:00Z")
I came from pc to Xbox and it was hard at first but you soon adjust. I don’t mind the kb/m issue as long as there are different servers for kb/m and controller users. ---
**Author:** ![GRIZZ11283](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/grizz11283/32/102128_2.png) [@GRIZZ11283](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/GRIZZ11283)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2018, 9:17am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/55 "2018-03-14T09:17:00Z")
The salt m&k users create, brilliant :lol: Not sure why people even care what others use, does it really matter at all? Its not like you know, or does every death mean it’s an M&K user, sounds like paranoia to me. I use controller by the way. ---
**Author:** ![olavafar](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/olavafar/32/101046_2.png) [@olavafar](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/olavafar)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2018, 9:40am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/56 "2018-03-14T09:40:00Z")
M&K on console seems to be like cheaters on PC. If you die and are not 100% sure the other guy is ‘clean’, it must be an M&K user (as on PC other guy must be a cheater). In reality they are not that many but some players are super perceptive and see them everywhere. Even at place 15 on the scoreboard with no score and 5 kills, 10 deaths. ---
**Author:** ![pandaslayer117](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/839c29/32.png) [@pandaslayer117](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/pandaslayer117)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2018, 12:27pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/57 "2018-03-14T12:27:00Z")
Has the xbox one x received a patch similar to the ps4 pro? It was my understanding it hasn’t so even if you have the onex you are still playing on the subpar og xbox graphics/performance. ---
**Author:** ![Phat\_Helmet](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/phat_helmet/32/103118_2.png) [@Phat\_Helmet](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Phat_Helmet)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2018, 12:59pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/58 "2018-03-14T12:59:00Z")
> [@faponit](#): > > > [@TEKNOCODE](#): > > > > This is me running to build a gaming pc after reading this. > > ![tenor.gif](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/0/2/02820774977512758ae407ca4a3c4e8aa37a3d8c.gif) > > More like this is you being excited that you have to sell your kidney to get a graphic card 😮 Some people aren’t broke. ---
**Author:** ![AlotOfThunder](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/alotofthunder/32/101184_2.png) [@AlotOfThunder](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/AlotOfThunder)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2018, 1:11pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/59 "2018-03-14T13:11:00Z")
this thread is going nowhere. theyre prob gonna close it like the last one. ---
**Author:** ![research-kitchen](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/bc8723/32.png) [@research-kitchen](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/research-kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 2:05am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350/60 "2018-03-16T02:05:00Z")
> [@MachoFantast1c0](#): > > > [@research-kitchen](#): > > > > I have always played fps games on PC, starting with Delta Force, Quake, bf1942 up to present. A friend of mine had modern warfare on xbox " I’m guessing this was 10 /12 years ago" so I said sure i’ll buy it for my xbox and give it a try. That was a mistake I had prolly a 1 kdr don’t remember not very good. So I played it for a month on xbox with him thinking i’ll get use to using a controller, I didn’t improve at all. I couldn’t really kill anyone at long distance, up close I did ok but prolly had around the same KDR. So after a month I decided to buy it for pc to see what was up, and yes it was an immediate turn around. Went from a 1 kdr on xbox to 4 kdr on pc. So no I will never play an FPS on console again, for those that have never played FPS on PC your missing out, except for the cheating. Whoever says their is no cheating in BF1 that’s just stupid, either they are cheating or they don’t know what to look for. I’m sure if I had ESP hack I could get a 10 plus KDR also! > > I’m confused, your KD is 1.67, not 4. So the performance spread between console and PC is not actually that significant. > . > BTW, a KD of 4 (infantry) would mean you are in the top 0.1 percent of talent, a beast if you will. And considering you almost exclusively run the Automatico Trench and Hellriegel, this is not the case in the least. You are also way off base with your ESP speculation, subtle cheaters do not go 10 KD, only rage cheaters do. The 4 KDR I was talking about was modern warefare and it was prolly more like a 3 KDR I cant remember that was around 10 years ago. And the 10 kd is prolly a little exaggeration but with esp i’m sure I could be close to 10 KD, but will never find out cause I dont and wont cheat. [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350.md?page=2) [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bought-a-xbox-one-x-and-xim-apex-returned-them-both-for-a-refund/103350.md?page=4)