# class-balance DICE ?! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 12, 2019, 9:38pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/class-balance-dice/106733 "2019-03-12T21:38:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![X\_Sunslayer\_X](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/278dde/32.png) [@X\_Sunslayer\_X](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/X_Sunslayer_X)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 9:38pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/class-balance-dice/106733/1 "2019-03-12T21:38:00Z")
the class balance is still so screwed up for 3 months now. assault and support are just steamrolling medic and recon in almost all scenarios they feel like their personal servants to be killed by them and carry them around healing reviving and spotting. the weapons and gadgets are just objectively better at 9/10 scenarios. DICE address it FFS ---
**Author:** ![Noodlesocks](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/noodlesocks/32/101045_2.png) [@Noodlesocks](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Noodlesocks)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 9:52pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/class-balance-dice/106733/2 "2019-03-12T21:52:00Z")
Yes but wouldn’t you rather have some new hats instead? ---
**Author:** ![bran1986](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/bran1986/32/101405_2.png) [@bran1986](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/bran1986)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 9:59pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/class-balance-dice/106733/3 "2019-03-12T21:59:00Z")
It has been screwed up since after the alpha ended. Giving medic smgs and the assault class the dmrs completely screwed up the class and weapon balance in bfv. ---
**Author:** ![fragnstein](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/fragnstein/32/106687_2.png) [@fragnstein](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/fragnstein)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 10:47pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/class-balance-dice/106733/4 "2019-03-12T22:47:00Z")
> [@X\_Sunslayer\_X](#): > > the class balance is still so screwed up for 3 months now. > assault and support are just steamrolling medic and recon in almost all scenarios they feel like their personal servants to be killed by them and carry them around healing reviving and spotting. > the weapons and gadgets are just objectively better at 9/10 scenarios. > DICE address it FFS You don’t look like you are having any trouble with the medic class ---
**Author:** ![ENKkii87](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/enkkii87/32/101864_2.png) [@ENKkii87](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ENKkii87)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 11:13pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/class-balance-dice/106733/5 "2019-03-12T23:13:00Z")
> [@Noodlesocks](#): > > Yes but wouldn’t you rather have some new hats instead? And maybe pink camo with an MLG emblem. ---
**Author:** ![Sixclicks](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sixclicks/32/103500_2.png) [@Sixclicks](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Sixclicks)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 11:40pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/class-balance-dice/106733/6 "2019-03-12T23:40:00Z")
They need to buff recon SLRs to be equivalent in power to assault semi-autos. Also remove the glint from SLRs. They need to buff, at the very least, the velocity of bolt actions. I also think they should have higher chest shot damage. Medic needs another weapon type other than SMGs. Something that allows them to play more effectively on larger maps like Hamada. Else we’ll just continue to see teams with only one or two medics on maps like that. In regards to additional weapons, I think recon could benefit a lot from having access to SMGs. Maybe recon could get some SMGs and medic could get some SLRs. The other option is to just nerf assault and support (LMGs). Even with the buffs I mentioned, I still think assault in particular needs a few nerfs on some of their arsenal. But like you said - 3 4 months and balance is still terrible. They’re too focused on less important things unfortunately. ---
**Author:** ![Pelliy](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/da6949/32.png) [@Pelliy](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Pelliy)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 11:46pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/class-balance-dice/106733/7 "2019-03-12T23:46:00Z")
I do better with medic than I do any class now. Even better than assault. I guess because I can self heal so I don’t feel neutralized. ---
**Author:** ![Pelliy](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/da6949/32.png) [@Pelliy](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Pelliy)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 11:49pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/class-balance-dice/106733/8 "2019-03-12T23:49:00Z")
> [@bran1986](#): > > It has been screwed up since after the alpha ended. Giving medic smgs and the assault class the dmrs completely screwed up the class and weapon balance in bfv. That and making slrs brain dead easy. As someone said before, it’s basically the model 8 .35 in bf1 but instead of having five bullets, most of them have over ten and the recoil is lesser than what the model 8 in bf1 was ---
**Author:** ![TropicPoison](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/tropicpoison/32/103892_2.png) [@TropicPoison](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TropicPoison)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 12:02am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/class-balance-dice/106733/9 "2019-03-13T00:02:00Z")
What is BALANCE? what is this word I do not understand it - The majority of hard thinkers at DICE probably. ---
**Author:** ![X\_Sunslayer\_X](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/278dde/32.png) [@X\_Sunslayer\_X](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/X_Sunslayer_X)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 12:12pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/class-balance-dice/106733/10 "2019-03-13T12:12:00Z")
> [@fragnstein](#): > > > [@X\_Sunslayer\_X](#): > > > > the class balance is still so screwed up for 3 months now. > > assault and support are just steamrolling medic and recon in almost all scenarios they feel like their personal servants to be killed by them and carry them around healing reviving and spotting. > > the weapons and gadgets are just objectively better at 9/10 scenarios. > > DICE address it FFS > > You don’t look like you are having any trouble with the medic class sure after 8+ daysd played any class can be played to its utmost. you cant say a class is balanced because there are good players the class needs a bit more appeal in the wider game. i mean i get an average lobby population of 6-8 medics in 64 player games while support and assault rule with owning 75% of the average population. the idea of having medic in CQC only works if the majority of the team is there too but quite frankly they are not even close to there. and CQC should be where the assault is not the medic. ---
**Author:** ![Ferdinand\_J\_Foch](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/ferdinand_j_foch/32/101936_2.png) [@Ferdinand\_J\_Foch](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Ferdinand_J_Foch)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 2:05pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/class-balance-dice/106733/11 "2019-03-13T14:05:00Z")
> [@TropicPoison](#): > > What is BALANCE? what is this word I do not understand it - The majority of hard thinkers at DICE probably. This is the same game developer that has made so many ‘balanced’ things for it’s players, such as: - BF3’s M16A3/M416/AEK-971 - BF3’S USAS-12 FRAGS (pre-nerf) - BC2’s Carl Gustav - BC2’s NS2000 - BF4’s UCAV - BF4’s M416/AEK-971/ACE-23 - BFH’s K10 - BF1’s SMG08/18 - Most vehicles in BF2 ---
**Author:** ![Halcyon\_Creed\_N7](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/halcyon_creed_n7/32/100954_2.png) [@Halcyon\_Creed\_N7](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Halcyon_Creed_N7)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 2:17pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/class-balance-dice/106733/12 "2019-03-13T14:17:00Z")
Assault - best guns, great gadgets Support - great guns, decent gadgets Medic - decent guns, bad gadgets Recon - bad guns, worst gadgets Kind of weird how well that lined up… ---
**Author:** ![X\_Sunslayer\_X](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/278dde/32.png) [@X\_Sunslayer\_X](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/X_Sunslayer_X)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 2:34pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/class-balance-dice/106733/13 "2019-03-13T14:34:00Z")
> [@Halcyon\_Creed\_N7](#): > > Assault - best guns, great gadgets > Support - great guns, decent gadgets > Medic - decent guns, bad gadgets > Recon - bad guns, worst gadgets > > Kind of weird how well that lined up… i wouldn’t call the recon weapons bad but the thing with sniper-rifles is no matter what they are ppl will always play sniper. i bet even if DICE made all sniper rifles muzzle-loaders and flint-lock ppl would still play it and the spotting flares are good but since most snipers hill-hump no one bothers 7/10 times^^ but yeah support and assault need some serious reworking. maybe DICE should take some semi-autos away from the assault and give to medic i.E M1A1 and gewehr 1-5 and take shotguns away from support and give them to assault as not to make them themselves and give the MP40 and STEN as all-kit weapons. just an idea ---
**Author:** ![von\_Campenstein](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/von_campenstein/32/101003_2.png) [@von\_Campenstein](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/von_Campenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 2:39pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/class-balance-dice/106733/14 "2019-03-13T14:39:00Z")
> [@X\_Sunslayer\_X](#): > > the class balance is still so screwed up for 3 months now. > assault and support are just steamrolling medic and recon in almost all scenarios they feel like their personal servants to be killed by them and carry them around healing reviving and spotting. > the weapons and gadgets are just objectively better at 9/10 scenarios. > DICE address it FFS They got Drunkze on the team, from what I understand almost exclusively an Assault player. Maybe it’s time for DICE to hire a new former or current top tier player as a consultant, someone who can and do well with all classes. I’d hire Stodeh. ---
**Author:** ![llPhantom\_Limbll](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/llphantom_limbll/32/102656_2.png) [@llPhantom\_Limbll](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/llPhantom_Limbll)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 2:57pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/class-balance-dice/106733/15 "2019-03-13T14:57:00Z")
Dice doesn’t care about balance at all. If they did we’d have already seen some changes. ---
**Author:** ![Halcyon\_Creed\_N7](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/halcyon_creed_n7/32/100954_2.png) [@Halcyon\_Creed\_N7](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Halcyon_Creed_N7)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 3:37pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/class-balance-dice/106733/16 "2019-03-13T15:37:00Z")
> [@X\_Sunslayer\_X](#): > > > [@Halcyon\_Creed\_N7](#): > > > > Assault - best guns, great gadgets > > Support - great guns, decent gadgets > > Medic - decent guns, bad gadgets > > Recon - bad guns, worst gadgets > > > > Kind of weird how well that lined up… > > i wouldn’t call the recon weapons bad but the thing with sniper-rifles is no matter what they are ppl will always play sniper. > i bet even if DICE made all sniper rifles muzzle-loaders and flint-lock ppl would still play it and the spotting flares are good but since most snipers hill-hump no one bothers 7/10 times^^ > but yeah support and assault need some serious reworking. maybe DICE should take some semi-autos away from the assault and give to medic i.E M1A1 and gewehr 1-5 and take shotguns away from support and give them to assault as not to make them themselves and give the MP40 and STEN as all-kit weapons. > just an idea Recon guns have been nerfed to oblivion. The SLRs are just bad, they’re outperformed by Assault SARs in every almost ever situation, but are slower to reload, have scope glint, and have a smaller capacity. Bolt-Action rifles have also been nerfed, in previous games they did 90 damage to the chest, now they do 60, they also lost access to 8x+ magnification scopes. And that’s just the guns, but when you account for the manual healing mechanic bad guns become even worse. An SLR take be 3-4 shots to kill depending on the range, and a BA is 3 shots if the enemy manages to heal, pretty common when shooting Medics. Their gadgets are also pretty bad, Spotting Scope is near pointless, because if you’re spotting players through a scope you might as well just be aiming your gun at them and shooting them to mark them with the Sniper class specialization. Flares don’t last even half as long as they used to in BF1, and now require you to fire them into the air, making them absolutely useless indoors. Don’t even get me started on the Decoy. Recon’s only useful gadget is the Beacon, which has been nerfed from previous games to only allow 5 spawns. ---
**Author:** ![Trokey66](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/trokey66/32/103889_2.png) [@Trokey66](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Trokey66)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 3:43pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/class-balance-dice/106733/17 "2019-03-13T15:43:00Z")
Most weapons aren’t inherently bad, it’s just that Assualt weapons are to good. Take them out the equation (metaphorically speaking) and balance isn’t to bad. ---
**Author:** ![X\_Sunslayer\_X](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/278dde/32.png) [@X\_Sunslayer\_X](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/X_Sunslayer_X)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 3:47pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/class-balance-dice/106733/18 "2019-03-13T15:47:00Z")
> [@Halcyon\_Creed\_N7](#): > > > [@X\_Sunslayer\_X](#): > > > > > [@Halcyon\_Creed\_N7](#): > > > > > > Assault - best guns, great gadgets > > > Support - great guns, decent gadgets > > > Medic - decent guns, bad gadgets > > > Recon - bad guns, worst gadgets > > > > > > Kind of weird how well that lined up… > > > > i wouldn’t call the recon weapons bad but the thing with sniper-rifles is no matter what they are ppl will always play sniper. > > i bet even if DICE made all sniper rifles muzzle-loaders and flint-lock ppl would still play it and the spotting flares are good but since most snipers hill-hump no one bothers 7/10 times^^ > > but yeah support and assault need some serious reworking. maybe DICE should take some semi-autos away from the assault and give to medic i.E M1A1 and gewehr 1-5 and take shotguns away from support and give them to assault as not to make them themselves and give the MP40 and STEN as all-kit weapons. > > just an idea > > Recon guns have been nerfed to oblivion. The SLRs are just bad, they’re outperformed by Assault SARs in every almost ever situation, but are slower to reload, have scope glint, and have a smaller capacity. Bolt-Action rifles have also been nerfed, in previous games they did 90 damage to the chest, now they do 60, they also lost access to 8x+ magnification scopes. And that’s just the guns, but when you account for the manual healing mechanic bad guns become even worse. An SLR take be 3-4 shots to kill depending on the range, and a BA is 3 shots if the enemy manages to heal, pretty common when shooting Medics. > > Their gadgets are also pretty bad, Spotting Scope is near pointless, because if you’re spotting players through a scope you might as well just be aiming your gun at them and shooting them to mark them with the Sniper class specialization. Flares don’t last even half as long as they used to in BF1, and now require you to fire them into the air, making them absolutely useless indoors. Don’t even get me started on the Decoy. Recon’s only useful gadget is the Beacon, which has been nerfed from previous games to only allow 5 spawns. not gonna argue here recon is at the bottom of the food-chain with medic. arguing which of the two classes has it worse is not helping. i have also said on other threads the bolt-actions should do more DMG on the chest. maybe start out with 76 from 0-20 and then have it slowly drop off to 60 at 60m. but hey DICE is the enemy here ---
**Author:** ![Kunstula](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Kunstula](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Kunstula)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 5:20pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/class-balance-dice/106733/19 "2019-03-13T17:20:00Z")
This is the massive elephant in the room and still not even a single word about proper class balance 5 months after launch, that says it all. Oh well, I hope the next BF will be good enough to spend money on, I’m so glad I didn’t for BF5. ---
**Author:** ![DingoKillr](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/dingokillr/32/101728_2.png) [@DingoKillr](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DingoKillr)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 7:15pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/class-balance-dice/106733/20 "2019-03-13T19:15:00Z")
Class balance sux. If Assault can already carry 2 round launchers and a anti-tank grenade why does it need 2 bundles of dynamite. Let only 3 max. Recon have to restock flares after 1and can only carry 2, but I only get 1 decoy, 2 AP mines. Medic is no better. Support is only slightly better due it’s grenade launcher can max to 3. Beside the gadget imbalance we also have Assaults can pickup more ammo and has a higher regen value. The rest either need to vist frequently stations or crates. This is the rub Recon suffer more as they have glint and yet also meant to be behind so not near medic or ammo pickups. Give me a yeah for fair play. Then on top we have weapons, I am not sorry any more BFV got so much wrong. BF1 launch weapons where better balanced, yet that had something wrong. I really wish I could swear here. This has got to be the dumbest balance it is does not help the game or the players. It is nothing short of an exploit it allows it’s users outshine every other class at any range with less skill. No way should anti-infantry and anti-vehicle been the same class. No wonder so many dropped out this early in BF game. Buffing every class but Assault is going to hard, a major overhaul is needed. You could have made Recon anti-Infantry with it is current gadgets just by given it SA and short range weapons. And SLR scattered across Medic and Assault. No that would have upset the competitive player and the purest. Can’t people see the more restrictive a class the less it is used. BF1 showed that and yet 2 class had it applied to them in BFV and yet we still get people whinge about snipers. What seems reasonable but is so wrong Piat mortar meant to hit camping tanks, hands up who used it on campeing infantry? But a mortar apparently is evil to the game. [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/class-balance-dice/106733.md?page=2)