# (Developer Comment) Grenade Resupply, Ammo 2.0 and What's Next **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 17, 2017, 8:17pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/developer-comment-grenade-resupply-ammo-2-0-and-whats-next/102932 "2017-03-17T20:17:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![ThePunisher\_be](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/278dde/32.png) [@ThePunisher\_be](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ThePunisher_be)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 8:35pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/developer-comment-grenade-resupply-ammo-2-0-and-whats-next/102932/121 "2017-03-19T20:35:00Z")
The solution is simple: If you didn’t pick up an ammo pouch, nor a health pouch, or stand beside a crate, you don’t resupply, nor regenerate health. Just reintroduce the good old BF2-system. Remove that player-pandering regeneration: no medics, no supports? Then that team deserves to lose. ---
**Author:** ![Ram1c](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/97f17d/32.png) [@Ram1c](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Ram1c)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 8:46pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/developer-comment-grenade-resupply-ammo-2-0-and-whats-next/102932/122 "2017-03-19T20:46:00Z")
> [@ThePunisher\_be](#): > > The solution is simple: > > If you didn’t pick up an ammo pouch, nor a health pouch, or stand beside a crate, you don’t resupply, nor regenerate health. > > Just reintroduce the good old BF2-system. Remove that player-pandering regeneration: no medics, no supports? Then that team deserves to lose. This would also incentivize people to let the scout class go and stop hillhumping. At least if they had half a brain and seen their team losing game after game. But only to such an extent the problem is the quality of players we’re talking about here. Most of these new franchise jumpers just leave the game so they can find the right server to camp on. In short, they have no honor… ---
**Author:** ![Sh4ggy1988](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/dfb087/32.png) [@Sh4ggy1988](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Sh4ggy1988)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 8:48pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/developer-comment-grenade-resupply-ammo-2-0-and-whats-next/102932/123 "2017-03-19T20:48:00Z")
Imagine buying a 5 door Diesel saloon that does 70 mpg and 8 months later it turns into a 3 door petrol hatchback that barely manages 25 mpg… you’d try and get your money back wouldn’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Khronikos](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/khronikos/32/102498_2.png) [@Khronikos](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Khronikos)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 8:51pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/developer-comment-grenade-resupply-ammo-2-0-and-whats-next/102932/124 "2017-03-19T20:51:00Z")
> [@ThePunisher\_be](#): > > The solution is simple: > > If you didn’t pick up an ammo pouch, nor a health pouch, or stand beside a crate, you don’t resupply, nor regenerate health. > > Just reintroduce the good old BF2-system. Remove that player-pandering regeneration: no medics, no supports? Then that team deserves to lose. This is more along the lines of how it should be. Believe it or not Killzone Shadowfall had a LOT of things right. Their system was completely hardcore, so much so that with the terrible, horrible matchmaking it kind of killed the game. None of this regeneration of ammo, no squad spawn–you had to actually place spawn points–and NO auto aim. Could have been the best FPS ever if they had more time and money to implement that style of game into a larger context. ---
**Author:** ![FluMusiic](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/flumusiic/32/101970_2.png) [@FluMusiic](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/FluMusiic)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 8:54pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/developer-comment-grenade-resupply-ammo-2-0-and-whats-next/102932/125 "2017-03-19T20:54:00Z")
> [@badsitrep](#): > > > [@AwakenYouthful](#): > > > > > [@badsitrep](#): > > > > > > The packs don’t last very long. They only give instantaneous resupply. Making the packs live long enough to overcome the resupply timer would make crates largely obsolete aside from the occasional siege moment where everyone is bunched up in a single area. We can’t make the packs give insta-grenades either or else we’ll just have nade-spamming supports (which only pushes the problem elsewhere and upsets class balance as well). > > > > The timer for resupplying grenades should be the same whether you are without a pack/crate, supplied by a pack, or sitting on a crate. If they made a mandatory 60 second grenade resupply timer, you could be resupplied by packs and crates the same, only the grenade will not appear in your inventory until that timer is up. As soon as you launch your grenade, you can resupply by a pack or crate, but you will not be given the grenade until the timer ends. If you aren’t resupplied by pack or crate, you simply don’t get a grenade, and if the timer has past and you find a pack/crate, you’re instantly given a grenade. This is the best solution I’ve thought of. I don’t feel grenade resupplies should be sped up for any reason ever. 60 seconds (variable for other grenade types), no sooner. And definitely no auto resupply without a pack or crate. > > But then we come back to the issue of supports not giving out crates or pouches. What is the point of your system if the casual support player continues to ignore requests for resupply? Try as we might, we can’t force supports to give ammo. DICE has been trying to incentivize this [_since ammo crates were introduced in BF2._](https://forum.quartertothree.com/t/comments-and-gripes-about-bf2/20461/68) > > At this point, after ten years of trying to get support to provide ammo crates with tutorials and voices telling the player to give ammo crates, people don’t give ammo crates. Well I look for support guys to resupply my ammo, not my grenades. As long as ammo doesn’t resupply without packs/crates, players will still need support guys. Nades are just a bonus, and like I said, you’d still need a support guy to resupply your grenades, only you wouldn’t get the nade until the timer is up. ---
**Author:** ![theReuster](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/258eb7/32.png) [@theReuster](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/theReuster)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 9:21pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/developer-comment-grenade-resupply-ammo-2-0-and-whats-next/102932/126 "2017-03-19T21:21:00Z")
> [@Sh4ggy1988](#): > > Imagine buying a 5 door Diesel saloon that does 70 mpg and 8 months later it turns into a 3 door petrol hatchback that barely manages 25 mpg… you’d try and get your money back wouldn’t you? My truck gets about 12-15 mpg right now, that hatchback sounds awesome! ---
**Author:** ![Parasiten79](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/e19adc/32.png) [@Parasiten79](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Parasiten79)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 9:53pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/developer-comment-grenade-resupply-ammo-2-0-and-whats-next/102932/127 "2017-03-19T21:53:00Z")
I think this is very interesting. Spawning without full ammo might maybe will stop people from skipping revive. If the idea is that a squad with a support will be stronger then I like it. Did you even read the text? 2 assaults with support should be stronger than 3 without support. That’s perfect, no more instant spawn on squadmates with full ammo/nades. Why is everyone so upset, I really like the idea. ---
**Author:** ![improveMind](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/4bbf92/32.png) [@improveMind](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/improveMind)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 9:59pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/developer-comment-grenade-resupply-ammo-2-0-and-whats-next/102932/128 "2017-03-19T21:59:00Z")
Grenade resupply is TERRIBLE. Change it back please. ---
**Author:** ![Ram1c](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/97f17d/32.png) [@Ram1c](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Ram1c)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/developer-comment-grenade-resupply-ammo-2-0-and-whats-next/102932/129 "2017-03-19T22:20:00Z")
When you see levelcap speaking in a respectable manner you know it’s a bad idea lol. After hearing that I might actually earn a little respect for him (probably not). [![Video: Ammo 2.0 May Change Battlefield 1 As We Know It](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/0/1/0197171cb1f8892363fd6aef9cdbd1dd443084de.jpeg "Ammo 2.0 May Change Battlefield 1 As We Know It") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lblP2G_KNs) ---
**Author:** ![FluMusiic](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/flumusiic/32/101970_2.png) [@FluMusiic](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/FluMusiic)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 10:36pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/developer-comment-grenade-resupply-ammo-2-0-and-whats-next/102932/130 "2017-03-19T22:36:00Z")
> [@Ram1c](#): > > When you see levelcap speaking in a respectable manner you know it’s a bad idea lol. After hearing that I might actually earn a little respect for him (probably not). > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lblP2G\_KNs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lblP2G_KNs) not sure what all the hate for this levelcap guy is about, I agreed with every word he said in the video, and I hope they listen to him and others voicing the same concerns. ---
**Author:** ![smart2705](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/smart2705/32/103531_2.png) [@smart2705](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/smart2705)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 10:54pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/developer-comment-grenade-resupply-ammo-2-0-and-whats-next/102932/131 "2017-03-19T22:54:00Z")
> [@vehmenece](#): > > ![chuck-norris-meme-once-threw-a-grenade-and-it-killed-50-people-then-it-exploded.jpg](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/0/c/0c0bf85ab287cb2fd3662d58f449fc90a1a3502f.jpeg) Fixed that for ya ---
**Author:** ![Ram1c](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/97f17d/32.png) [@Ram1c](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Ram1c)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 10:56pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/developer-comment-grenade-resupply-ammo-2-0-and-whats-next/102932/132 "2017-03-19T22:56:00Z")
> [@AwakenYouthful](#): > > > [@Ram1c](#): > > > > When you see levelcap speaking in a respectable manner you know it’s a bad idea lol. After hearing that I might actually earn a little respect for him (probably not). > > > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lblP2G\_KNs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lblP2G_KNs) > > not sure what all the hate for this levelcap guy is about, I agreed with every word he said in the video, and I hope they listen to him and others voicing the same concerns. It’s not so much hate but more the fact that he always claimed to be a more veteran bf fan but always overlooked things the company did simply because he makes money off of them directly or indirectly. This is the first time I’ve heard him directly criticize dice for a stupid decision like this concept. It’s pretty clear that most youtubers just care about their popularity which in term is combined to their paycheck. This fact still doesn’t make it ok to sell out and overlook your own self proclaimed principles of what a veteran would feel in this situation. ---
**Author:** ![rkeller411](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/e95f7d/32.png) [@rkeller411](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/rkeller411)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 11:03pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/developer-comment-grenade-resupply-ammo-2-0-and-whats-next/102932/133 "2017-03-19T23:03:00Z")
As for the Grenades make it simple to pickup off of dead soldiers. Make it a max of 2 with variable types so you can have 1 that is native setup and 1 is pickup if not the same. Auto gen is lame. ---
**Author:** ![smart2705](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/smart2705/32/103531_2.png) [@smart2705](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/smart2705)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 11:08pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/developer-comment-grenade-resupply-ammo-2-0-and-whats-next/102932/134 "2017-03-19T23:08:00Z")
> [@ChickNFoot](#): > > > [@herodes87](#): > > > > Dice will destroy Battlefield with this stuff. They just should add some Ammo boxes at the Main Base and 2 Flags like in Battlefield 1942. Would solve the Problem that some Supports dont give Ammo. Cooldown is totally stupid i hate even the autoheal. Battlefield is about Teamplay that Ego i can have at CoD. Dice is on the core gamers that support the Franchise since it start. > > Then go play something else. > Battlefield after frostbite is no longer the BF you want. Want that experience? Then play it or look for other games. > I don’t want my games ruined for the types of games I’ve liked since Bc2 and it’s obviously here to stay. > > If you don’t like what DICE has done for the past 4 games + spin-off over years then leave please. > > I understand the concerns but saying “muh Veteran Status” then insults saying it’s COD makes you look and sound like this guy > > Like or leave. You do realize what guy you look like, right? ![7f3.png](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/a/1/a18ab05033622b69627dfff15679826de1169122.png) ---
**Author:** ![ChickNFoot](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/chicknfoot/32/101502_2.png) [@ChickNFoot](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ChickNFoot)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 11:12pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/developer-comment-grenade-resupply-ammo-2-0-and-whats-next/102932/135 "2017-03-19T23:12:00Z")
> [@lllTheSentinelll](#): > > > [@ChickNFoot](#): > > > > > [@herodes87](#): > > > > > > Dice will destroy Battlefield with this stuff. They just should add some Ammo boxes at the Main Base and 2 Flags like in Battlefield 1942. Would solve the Problem that some Supports dont give Ammo. Cooldown is totally stupid i hate even the autoheal. Battlefield is about Teamplay that Ego i can have at CoD. Dice is on the core gamers that support the Franchise since it start. > > > > Then go play something else. > > Battlefield after frostbite is no longer the BF you want. Want that experience? Then play it or look for other games. > > I don’t want my games ruined for the types of games I’ve liked since Bc2 and it’s obviously here to stay. > > > > If you don’t like what DICE has done for the past 4 games + spin-off over years then leave please. > > > > I understand the concerns but saying “muh Veteran Status” then insults saying it’s COD makes you look and sound like this guy > > > > Like or leave. > > “Like or leave”? By that principle, the entire concept of a community offering feedback on the game and of even having a forum is finished. In any market, the company should take feedback from the users of their product… > > The level of fanboyism that’s needed to say that is mind boggling. Not to mention how low your IQ needs to be. You need to sit down and think about your life choices, son. > > In fact, being “veterans”, ie. people who know what the hell they’re talking about when it comes to what has been offered by Battlefield in the past, means that we can actually see the downgrading of the game. You, who have jumped on very recently and have no clue about skill-based gameplay and what that even means, are prone to posting stupid things like “like or leave”. THAT is why we have no respect for you casuals. Really so it’s okay to make changes being made to a series for over years and still be outraged? My point of like or leave wasn’t with a specific change or mechanic it was with the games as a whole. Like I said I under the concerns but it’s the fact of pulling the veteran card. Like I said if your so angry over these changes made why are you even here yelling and screaming at “casuals”? Yet assume I jumped on recently and have no clue on skilled gameplay. I have played since BC2 and played every BF for 6 to 5 years. Not to mention a thousand hours in BF4 alone is that enough? Is that enough for you or do I have to go back in time? I’m a fan boy and have a low IQ? So your going to ignore everything and insult and attack me. I have been vocal about the effectiveness of the grenade since the start and people called me a fool. As well a vocal opponent of the new conquest system. My problem is with pre frostbite era veterans saying “this is bad this is bad this is bad we need to go back to 1942 or BF2”. Then calls everyone who jumped on recently a “casual” or “low IQ”. Honestly when is the point you realized your not being heard or wanted anymore? Link I said what does 10 years of development 2 main stream titles and 3 spin off titles going against your community’s wish is the limit? It’s not like there aren’t a ton of other games out there suiting for your taste. I didn’t insult you or call you names or insult your type of games, yet you did those to me just because I critiqued your old game’s community’s behavior. Take a look at your self and see who the real fan boy here is. ---
**Author:** ![THAGURT](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thagurt/32/103736_2.png) [@THAGURT](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/THAGURT)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 11:17pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/developer-comment-grenade-resupply-ammo-2-0-and-whats-next/102932/136 "2017-03-19T23:17:00Z")
If you guys would do the exact opposite of what you are testing here I would be more on board…you know how you make a medic more useful? Take away regenerating health. You know how you make a support more usefull? You dont let things regenerate. If you dont want people standing over an ammo box so they can spam explosives then put a timer on how often you can resupply such things. As it stands I honestly feel like I personally throw way more grenades because why wouldn’t I? They come back. ---
**Author:** ![Zer0Cod3x](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/zer0cod3x/32/104188_2.png) [@Zer0Cod3x](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Zer0Cod3x)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 12:29am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/developer-comment-grenade-resupply-ammo-2-0-and-whats-next/102932/137 "2017-03-20T00:29:00Z")
> [@HardAimedKid](#): > > God forbid you guys just increased the resupply time. Why do you have to make it so complicated that you have to have a name for it. Please dice, just make the damn resupply time longer. It’s not rocket science. MFW people think chasing around clueless Supports and sitting on an ammo box for 12 seconds holding a button is fun gameplay ---
**Author:** ![AldermachXI](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/aldermachxi/32/101173_2.png) [@AldermachXI](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/AldermachXI)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 1:53am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/developer-comment-grenade-resupply-ammo-2-0-and-whats-next/102932/138 "2017-03-20T01:53:00Z")
DICE has managed to get everyone to agree on one thing…Nade auto regen is dumb and needs to go. ---
**Author:** ![SaintBrandon88](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/a3d4f5/32.png) [@SaintBrandon88](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SaintBrandon88)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 2:06am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/developer-comment-grenade-resupply-ammo-2-0-and-whats-next/102932/139 "2017-03-20T02:06:00Z")
> [@Zer0Cod3x](#): > > > [@HardAimedKid](#): > > > > God forbid you guys just increased the resupply time. Why do you have to make it so complicated that you have to have a name for it. Please dice, just make the damn resupply time longer. It’s not rocket science. > > MFW people think chasing around clueless Supports and sitting on an ammo box for 12 seconds holding a button is fun gameplay The only time I’m chasing a support guy around is when I’m out of bullets, not grenades. ---
**Author:** ![tostirooster](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/tostirooster/32/103870_2.png) [@tostirooster](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/tostirooster)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 2:29am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/developer-comment-grenade-resupply-ammo-2-0-and-whats-next/102932/140 "2017-03-20T02:29:00Z")
Thanks for posting this here, the more people see it, the better the feedback will be. As for the intended fixes, I think they’re okay. Have to test it in game though so we’ll see how it works out. [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/developer-comment-grenade-resupply-ammo-2-0-and-whats-next/102932.md?page=6) [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/developer-comment-grenade-resupply-ammo-2-0-and-whats-next/102932.md?page=8)