# DICE DEV:"Can't believe we're going through this CRAP for being more inclusive in 2018" LOL **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 4, 2018, 6:59am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/dice-dev-cant-believe-were-going-through-this-crap-for-being-more-inclusive-in-2018-lol/106063 "2018-12-04T06:59:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![rockefellerftw](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/rockefellerftw/32/103290_2.png) [@rockefellerftw](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/rockefellerftw)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 6:59am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/dice-dev-cant-believe-were-going-through-this-crap-for-being-more-inclusive-in-2018-lol/106063/1 "2018-12-04T06:59:00Z")
source: [https://archive.fo/lpciM#selection-4677.0-4677.14](https://archive.fo/lpciM#selection-4677.0-4677.14) Man these DEVS are SO FULL OF IT Jesus chrsit what a ¯\_(ツ)\_/¯ show this game turned out to be ---
**Author:** ![naitch44](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/naitch44/32/102913_2.png) [@naitch44](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/naitch44)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 7:03am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/dice-dev-cant-believe-were-going-through-this-crap-for-being-more-inclusive-in-2018-lol/106063/2 "2018-12-04T07:03:00Z")
lol at the pandering on that thread. ---
**Author:** ![IManovBG](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/imanovbg/32/106770_2.png) [@IManovBG](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/IManovBG)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 7:28am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/dice-dev-cant-believe-were-going-through-this-crap-for-being-more-inclusive-in-2018-lol/106063/3 "2018-12-04T07:28:00Z")
To me seems like these devs live in a different world. Completely missing the real issues of the game and focused over the hate about the gendarism (which is also legit). ---
**Author:** ![The\_digital\_Hal](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/4da419/32.png) [@The\_digital\_Hal](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/The_digital_Hal)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 7:35am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/dice-dev-cant-believe-were-going-through-this-crap-for-being-more-inclusive-in-2018-lol/106063/4 "2018-12-04T07:35:00Z")
> [@rockefellerftw](#): > > source: [https://archive.fo/lpciM#selection-4677.0-4677.14](https://archive.fo/lpciM#selection-4677.0-4677.14) > > Man these DEVS are SO FULL OF IT > Jesus chrsit what a show this game turned out to be To be fair you should provide context. They’re getting a lot of flak over including minorities/women as frontline fighting characters in their game, and the inclusion comment is directed at that. Personally, I think they should start some inclusion with their fans and what they want, because they are really out of touch. Both Battlefronts, and now some of the elements of this game, like vehicle combat. Tanks are incredibly weak but bombers can go on 100 - 0 kill streaks. Great beta testing guys! ---
**Author:** ![QHUNK9000](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/q/ee59a6/32.png) [@QHUNK9000](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/QHUNK9000)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 7:42am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/dice-dev-cant-believe-were-going-through-this-crap-for-being-more-inclusive-in-2018-lol/106063/5 "2018-12-04T07:42:00Z")
> [@The\_digital\_Hal](#): > > > [@rockefellerftw](#): > > > > source: [https://archive.fo/lpciM#selection-4677.0-4677.14](https://archive.fo/lpciM#selection-4677.0-4677.14) > > > > Man these DEVS are SO FULL OF IT > > Jesus chrsit what a show this game turned out to be > > To be fair you should provide context. > They’re getting a lot of flak over including minorities/women as frontline fighting characters in their game, and the inclusion comment is directed at that. This. Be careful about taking things out of context on the internet OP. ---
**Author:** ![Meingott90](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/58f4c7/32.png) [@Meingott90](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Meingott90)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 7:47am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/dice-dev-cant-believe-were-going-through-this-crap-for-being-more-inclusive-in-2018-lol/106063/6 "2018-12-04T07:47:00Z")
still cant change driver from the default female to a male judging from the vehicle customization they showed. ---
**Author:** ![echo-smoker93](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/49beb7/32.png) [@echo-smoker93](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/echo-smoker93)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 7:56am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/dice-dev-cant-believe-were-going-through-this-crap-for-being-more-inclusive-in-2018-lol/106063/7 "2018-12-04T07:56:00Z")
Personally, i don’t care. I liked the female russian sniper in BF1, just don’t turn WW2 into a parody. I woundn’t mind seeing females in USSR though… yeah, i like historical accuracy, don’t hate me. ---
**Author:** ![IManovBG](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/imanovbg/32/106770_2.png) [@IManovBG](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/IManovBG)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 7:59am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/dice-dev-cant-believe-were-going-through-this-crap-for-being-more-inclusive-in-2018-lol/106063/8 "2018-12-04T07:59:00Z")
By the way, trolling the gamers or not their money are coming from us. So focus on the facts: 1. How many sold copies? 2. What is the server population? 3. We all know what is going on with EA shares price now 😉 greeting from the community EA/DICE! ---
**Author:** ![Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hawxxeye/32/101036_2.png) [@Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Hawxxeye)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 8:08am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/dice-dev-cant-believe-were-going-through-this-crap-for-being-more-inclusive-in-2018-lol/106063/9 "2018-12-04T08:08:00Z")
What is that cesspit of a forum that you linked. It looked like if the same person was posting the same thing on different accounts with different words… ---
**Author:** ![olT3lo](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/olt3lo/32/104929_2.png) [@olT3lo](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/olT3lo)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 8:40am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/dice-dev-cant-believe-were-going-through-this-crap-for-being-more-inclusive-in-2018-lol/106063/10 "2018-12-04T08:40:00Z")
Nice forum there.. looks like a, everyone is the same type of person website (trying to avoid getting in trouble by mentioning someones politics). The dev is probably hanging out there instead of here because they think those are the REAL fans of Battlefield. HAHA ---
**Author:** ![Arkaelov](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Arkaelov](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Arkaelov)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 8:45am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/dice-dev-cant-believe-were-going-through-this-crap-for-being-more-inclusive-in-2018-lol/106063/11 "2018-12-04T08:45:00Z")
> [@olT3lo](#): > > Nice forum there.. looks like a, everyone is the same type of person website (trying to avoid getting in trouble by mentioning someones politics). The dev is probably hanging out there instead of here because they think those are the REAL fans of Battlefield. HAHA . Pretty much. I just read an old article about how apparently Battlefield 1 was going to have female soldiers but they changed that to be more realistic and one DICE employee spoke out about how unfair to women and that they were just pandering to young male interests. Meanwhile, said employee’s twitter bio includes “¯\_(ツ)\_/¯. She/her pronouns but don’t call me a woman.” Like… I don’t even understand what that means? I feel I just live in a world disconnected from a vast sea of other types of people when it comes certain things. ---
**Author:** ![Wikstone](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/wikstone/32/104066_2.png) [@Wikstone](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Wikstone)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 8:46am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/dice-dev-cant-believe-were-going-through-this-crap-for-being-more-inclusive-in-2018-lol/106063/12 "2018-12-04T08:46:00Z")
> [@The\_digital\_Hal](#): > > > [@rockefellerftw](#): > > > > source: [https://archive.fo/lpciM#selection-4677.0-4677.14](https://archive.fo/lpciM#selection-4677.0-4677.14) > > > > Man these DEVS are SO FULL OF IT > > Jesus chrsit what a show this game turned out to be > > To be fair you should provide context. > They’re getting a lot of flak over including minorities/women as frontline fighting characters in their game, and the inclusion comment is directed at that. > > Personally, I think they should start some inclusion with their fans and what they want, because they are really out of touch. Both Battlefronts, and now some of the elements of this game, like vehicle combat. Tanks are incredibly weak but bombers can go on 100 - 0 kill streaks. Great beta testing guys! There was bombers in beta? I didnt see any. ---
**Author:** ![Clarence\_6000](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/f04885/32.png) [@Clarence\_6000](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Clarence_6000)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 8:51am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/dice-dev-cant-believe-were-going-through-this-crap-for-being-more-inclusive-in-2018-lol/106063/13 "2018-12-04T08:51:00Z")
[https://twitter.com/ogabrielson/status/1053224369940545536](https://twitter.com/ogabrielson/status/1053224369940545536) Im glad that they took the extra time to polish the game.. Im sure that’s was the reason behind the delay 😛 . ---
**Author:** ![Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hawxxeye/32/101036_2.png) [@Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Hawxxeye)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 9:04am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/dice-dev-cant-believe-were-going-through-this-crap-for-being-more-inclusive-in-2018-lol/106063/14 "2018-12-04T09:04:00Z")
> [@Wikstone](#): > > > [@The\_digital\_Hal](#): > > > > > [@rockefellerftw](#): > > > > > > source: [https://archive.fo/lpciM#selection-4677.0-4677.14](https://archive.fo/lpciM#selection-4677.0-4677.14) > > > > > > Man these DEVS are SO FULL OF IT > > > Jesus chrsit what a show this game turned out to be > > > > To be fair you should provide context. > > They’re getting a lot of flak over including minorities/women as frontline fighting characters in their game, and the inclusion comment is directed at that. > > > > Personally, I think they should start some inclusion with their fans and what they want, because they are really out of touch. Both Battlefronts, and now some of the elements of this game, like vehicle combat. Tanks are incredibly weak but bombers can go on 100 - 0 kill streaks. Great beta testing guys! > > There was bombers in beta? I didnt see any. yup there were. What was not in the beta was the JU-88 [![Video: Hexa kill with Blenheim mk IF boming run](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/a/2/a28aa81d65c51994a5393e69a7fb287bb9ce54fe.jpeg "Hexa kill with Blenheim mk IF boming run") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKsVPd5xJas) ---
**Author:** ![ProAssassin2003](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/proassassin2003/32/103170_2.png) [@ProAssassin2003](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ProAssassin2003)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 9:46am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/dice-dev-cant-believe-were-going-through-this-crap-for-being-more-inclusive-in-2018-lol/106063/15 "2018-12-04T09:46:00Z")
> [@Clarence\_6000](#): > > [https://twitter.com/ogabrielson/status/1053224369940545536](https://twitter.com/ogabrielson/status/1053224369940545536) > Im glad that they took the extra time to polish the game.. Im sure that’s was the reason behind the delay 😛 . Looks like a guy who plays Fortnite all day. ---
**Author:** ![warslag](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/warslag/32/101053_2.png) [@warslag](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/warslag)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 10:08am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/dice-dev-cant-believe-were-going-through-this-crap-for-being-more-inclusive-in-2018-lol/106063/16 "2018-12-04T10:08:00Z")
> [@Clarence\_6000](#): > > [https://twitter.com/ogabrielson/status/1053224369940545536](https://twitter.com/ogabrielson/status/1053224369940545536) > Im glad that they took the extra time to polish the game.. Im sure that’s was the reason behind the delay 😛 . He looks very young for a general manager. Very nervous and awkward in talking to the camera. He wasn’t even being honest so I cannot really sympathise. What a way to be going on… ---
**Author:** ![suffice\_ls](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/977dab/32.png) [@suffice\_ls](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/suffice_ls)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 10:14am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/dice-dev-cant-believe-were-going-through-this-crap-for-being-more-inclusive-in-2018-lol/106063/17 "2018-12-04T10:14:00Z")
Dunno who I’m angrier at: – These devs who clearly went into their recently established local No-Go Zones and recruited some new hires there – Leftist gamers Which of the two is it that doesn’t understand that IT’S WORLD WAR 2, where there was an undeniable, resounding absence of women on the Battlefield to such a extent that once you start adding females to the setting, the setting collapses completely?? Female characters shouldn’t be excluded because it’s a videogame…female characters should be excluded because it’s a WORLD WAR 2 videogame. Besides, they could sooo still have done what BF1 did: Feature female characters in the roles that they actually played: French resistance fighters and some bomber crews. Why was this never a problem in BF3 or BF4? – The two games where it would’ve made most sense to have female playable characters. Is it because of the politics that have transpired since then? It must be. No one was ever prevented from being part of this franchise’s community – THAT, to me at least, is true inclusivity. Screw DICE. ---
**Author:** ![italickus](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/italickus/32/106787_2.png) [@italickus](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/italickus)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 10:16am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/dice-dev-cant-believe-were-going-through-this-crap-for-being-more-inclusive-in-2018-lol/106063/18 "2018-12-04T10:16:00Z")
Resetera, the biased pro SJW forum famous for permabanning political dissidents, people criticizing correctness in videogames and other SJW stuff. I still recall when they were permabanning people defending the choices of Daniel Vavra, creator of Kingdom Come Deliverance, for not including black dudes in his game set in medieval Bohemia. Good source you got there, OP. From the ashes of a garbage site as NeoGaf, only garbage can rise again from there. ---
**Author:** ![Phat\_Helmet](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/phat_helmet/32/103118_2.png) [@Phat\_Helmet](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Phat_Helmet)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 10:19am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/dice-dev-cant-believe-were-going-through-this-crap-for-being-more-inclusive-in-2018-lol/106063/19 "2018-12-04T10:19:00Z")
Where they went wrong is forcing their social justice views into a video game about WWII. Making a BF game yet another political modern political statement for the sake of virtue signaling is a big mistake. Good. ---
**Author:** ![AnthraxCPi](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@AnthraxCPi](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/AnthraxCPi)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 10:22am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/dice-dev-cant-believe-were-going-through-this-crap-for-being-more-inclusive-in-2018-lol/106063/20 "2018-12-04T10:22:00Z")
First of all I personally like the game very much, there are bugs and imbalances as always (and yeah of course you sometimes do get killed a lot by a better enemy team, snipers, KE7, tanks or bombers, and you get a bit upset), but I have a lot of fun playing the game! 🙂 I do not have a problem with females ahistorically being in the game as frontline soldiers fighting for the Wehrmacht or British Empire. I would have not missed that aspect though as I personally am interested in history and historically accurate settings, clothing etc. (With a future Russian faction it is a totally different situation though - the Soviet Union had quite the number of female soldiers for example as sharpshooters.). And yes I sometimes get “annoyed” by the loud female screams. I think this is not because of a feeling of “historical implausibility” but more because I as a man get sad and feel like I need to protect a woman should I hear her cry, it is a biological thing I guess, it triggers me much more emotionally than a dying male pixel soldier. But all in all I feel a bit sorry for Dice and all the flak they get and feel a certain amount of it is not justified or at least brought forward in a knowingly hurtful way. ☹ [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/dice-dev-cant-believe-were-going-through-this-crap-for-being-more-inclusive-in-2018-lol/106063.md?page=2)