# Dice needs to start taking their TOS serious. **URL:** \ **Category:** PC\ **Created:** [August 13, 2018, 9:39pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/dice-needs-to-start-taking-their-tos-serious/104881 "2018-08-13T21:39:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Voose\_Laginaa](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/v/f0a364/32.png) [@Voose\_Laginaa](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Voose_Laginaa)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 9:39pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/dice-needs-to-start-taking-their-tos-serious/104881/1 "2018-08-13T21:39:00Z")
Log on to bf4 at least 3 times a week since I still very much love the game. However, joining servers have been an utter nightmare recently. 4/5 times you are likely to see a server display 60/64 players currently on, but when you join you are met with like 15 players. Researched the problem to make sure it wasn’t caused on my end and found out servers love to run auto-seeder scripts, like the one you can find on google chrome store, to make it seem like their servers are filled to be higher up on the browser when a user searches. This is shady, and they need to be held accountable for it. The “Best in the West” server’s, all 5 of them constantly have “60/64” but when you join its dead. ESF’s Servers do the same as well. After noticing it and joining their discord, I posted in their general section asking why “they run scripts to show a false playerbase” and how it was against TOS they agreed to when making the server, and was met with a “report it to dice, go nuts.” ---
**Author:** ![Voose\_Laginaa](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/v/f0a364/32.png) [@Voose\_Laginaa](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Voose_Laginaa)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 9:43pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/dice-needs-to-start-taking-their-tos-serious/104881/2 "2018-08-13T21:43:00Z")
I was met with a follow-up comment after I posted this from the admin. “Server expires in 5 days anyway?” ---
**Author:** ![Il-Scavenger-lI](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/il-scavenger-li/32/105562_2.png) [@Il-Scavenger-lI](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Il-Scavenger-lI)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 9:52pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/dice-needs-to-start-taking-their-tos-serious/104881/3 "2018-08-13T21:52:00Z")
[Battlelog Playercounts Fix, BBlog](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlelog-playercounts-fix-bblog/104560) . Might help you to at least identify the seeding. ---
**Author:** ![Voose\_Laginaa](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/v/f0a364/32.png) [@Voose\_Laginaa](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Voose_Laginaa)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 9:53pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/dice-needs-to-start-taking-their-tos-serious/104881/4 "2018-08-13T21:53:00Z")
Since I let them know about the report in their discord, All [name and shame] servers are displaying the proper playercount. Before, multiple servers displayed close to filled, now they have 1/3rd of that on every server they are running. Fairly certain they shut the plugin down. ---
**Author:** ![Voose\_Laginaa](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/v/f0a364/32.png) [@Voose\_Laginaa](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Voose_Laginaa)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 9:55pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/dice-needs-to-start-taking-their-tos-serious/104881/5 "2018-08-13T21:55:00Z")
> [@Il-Scavenger-lI](#): > > [Battlelog Playercounts Fix, BBlog](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/battlelog-playercounts-fix-bblog/104560) > . > Might help you to at least identify the seeding. I had no idea this even existed! Thanks brother, Ill definitely look into it. ---
**Author:** ![Il-Scavenger-lI](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/il-scavenger-li/32/105562_2.png) [@Il-Scavenger-lI](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Il-Scavenger-lI)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 9:56pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/dice-needs-to-start-taking-their-tos-serious/104881/6 "2018-08-13T21:56:00Z")
Unfortunately you too broke some rules though.. As naming and shaming is forbidden on forumfield.. . Better place for problem reporting is EA answerHQ. But n&s is forbidden there too. There are discussions going on there about this issue, mainly because this seeding method is also used to block servers by flooding the queue.