# Does better armament mean nothing? **URL:** \ **Category:** Firestorm\ **Created:** [July 21, 2019, 7:23pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/does-better-armament-mean-nothing/108730 "2019-07-21T19:23:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Leftlane1](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Leftlane1](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Leftlane1)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 7:23pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/does-better-armament-mean-nothing/108730/1 "2019-07-21T19:23:00Z")
Him: at least 1 plate, full health, green mp40 Me: heavy armor, full health, pink stg44 We are standing about 6-8 feet apart and open up. He takes me down first. How? ---
**Author:** ![DaMutha1](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/damutha1/32/101615_2.png) [@DaMutha1](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DaMutha1)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 1:33pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/does-better-armament-mean-nothing/108730/2 "2019-07-22T13:33:00Z")
He hit you in the head while you threw potatoes at him ---
**Author:** ![Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hawxxeye/32/101036_2.png) [@Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Hawxxeye)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 4:15pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/does-better-armament-mean-nothing/108730/3 "2019-07-29T16:15:00Z")
I do not know, I was emptying an LMG at a guy then he turns and kills me in less than a sec with his assault rifle, I had 2 armor plates. stupid broken game mode, I wish they did not had assignments for it. This infantry BR fad should had never been part of Battlefield but sadly EA thought they could print money with BR and the BF name ---
**Author:** ![YourLocalPlumber](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/yourlocalplumber/32/103277_2.png) [@YourLocalPlumber](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/YourLocalPlumber)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 4:08pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/does-better-armament-mean-nothing/108730/4 "2019-07-31T16:08:00Z")
Because you’re bad? A couple of days ago I went 1v2 on the last circle against teamers. I had 100 armor and 65HP. Those lowest life forms had 100 armor/142 HP and 150 armor/full HP. I had no extra armor nor heals. Still took them both down with a blue Sten at about 25ish meters with juicy headshots for both of them in a straight firefight. I don’t know what weapons they had. One of them who was shooting me had an StG44 by the sound of it. But considering that they were teamers in the last circle, I can bet they had pink weapons. ---
**Author:** ![TheFieryHotSauce](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/e0b2c6/32.png) [@TheFieryHotSauce](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TheFieryHotSauce)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2019, 11:56am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/does-better-armament-mean-nothing/108730/5 "2019-08-02T11:56:00Z")
The answer in this case and all other cases like this is that he had better aim than you. ---
**Author:** ![sabootheshaman](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sabootheshaman/32/103347_2.png) [@sabootheshaman](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/sabootheshaman)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2019, 3:10pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/does-better-armament-mean-nothing/108730/6 "2019-08-02T15:10:00Z")
I took 3 out late game with a green stg the other night. I only had medium armour. They all dropped pink guns including 2 stg. 1 had heavy armour and 1 had medium. It’s pretty easy to do once you learn the nuances of the game. I’ll take an STG every time as I’ve got my gameplay tuned to it. Same for the Gewehr to a degree. I won’t touch an LMG unless I have too in firestorm. The other big contributing factor is Halvoy has a lot of terrain hard cover. I really like what Criterion did with the map. It rewards good tactical play. Sorry OP. You just got outplayed. ---
**Author:** ![ChickenTheTank](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/f6c823/32.png) [@ChickenTheTank](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ChickenTheTank)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 12:55am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/does-better-armament-mean-nothing/108730/7 "2019-08-07T00:55:00Z")
> [@YourLocalPlumber](#): > > Because you’re bad? A couple of days ago I went 1v2 on the last circle against teamers. I had 100 armor and 65HP. Those lowest life forms had 100 armor/142 HP and 150 armor/full HP. I had no extra armor nor heals. Still took them both down with a blue Sten at about 25ish meters with juicy headshots for both of them in a straight firefight. > > I don’t know what weapons they had. One of them who was shooting me had an StG44 by the sound of it. But considering that they were teamers in the last circle, I can bet they had pink weapons. I feel like you’re exaggerating. You can’t know exactly how much hp the enemy has during or after an encounter. Makes me feel like this is probably based off something you might remember, but I doubt it went down like this. ---
**Author:** ![sabootheshaman](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sabootheshaman/32/103347_2.png) [@sabootheshaman](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/sabootheshaman)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 1:31am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/does-better-armament-mean-nothing/108730/8 "2019-08-07T01:31:00Z")
> [@ChickenTheTank](#): > > > [@YourLocalPlumber](#): > > > > Because you’re bad? A couple of days ago I went 1v2 on the last circle against teamers. I had 100 armor and 65HP. Those lowest life forms had 100 armor/142 HP and 150 armor/full HP. I had no extra armor nor heals. Still took them both down with a blue Sten at about 25ish meters with juicy headshots for both of them in a straight firefight. > > > > I don’t know what weapons they had. One of them who was shooting me had an StG44 by the sound of it. But considering that they were teamers in the last circle, I can bet they had pink weapons. > > I feel like you’re exaggerating. You can’t know exactly how much hp the enemy has during or after an encounter. Makes me feel like this is probably based off something you might remember, but I doubt it went down like this. You know it tells you the damage you are doing with the hits? Pretty easy to get a reading on someones armour levels when its just you shooting them also. ---
**Author:** ![ChickenTheTank](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/f6c823/32.png) [@ChickenTheTank](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ChickenTheTank)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 12:38pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/does-better-armament-mean-nothing/108730/9 "2019-08-07T12:38:00Z")
> [@sabootheshaman](#): > > ChickenTheTank said: > > YourLocalPlumber wrote: » > Because you’re bad? A couple of days ago I went 1v2 on the last circle against teamers. I had 100 armor and 65HP. Those lowest life forms had 100 armor/142 HP and 150 armor/full HP. I had no extra armor nor heals. Still took them both down with a blue Sten at about 25ish meters with juicy headshots for both of them in a straight firefight. > > I don’t know what weapons they had. One of them who was shooting me had an StG44 by the sound of it. But considering that they were teamers in the last circle, I can bet they had pink weapons. > > I feel like you’re exaggerating. You can’t know exactly how much hp the enemy has during or after an encounter. Makes me feel like this is probably based off something you might remember, but I doubt it went down like this. > > You know it tells you the damage you are doing with the hits? Pretty easy to get a reading on someones armour levels when its just you shooting them also. You know they’ve been trying to fix the “damage done” because it hasn’t displayed the correct values consistently for months now right? ---
**Author:** ![jroggs](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/jroggs/32/106829_2.png) [@jroggs](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/jroggs)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 1:06pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/does-better-armament-mean-nothing/108730/10 "2019-08-07T13:06:00Z")
> [@ChickenTheTank](#): > > > [@sabootheshaman](#): > > > > ChickenTheTank said: > > > > YourLocalPlumber wrote: » > > Because you’re bad? A couple of days ago I went 1v2 on the last circle against teamers. I had 100 armor and 65HP. Those lowest life forms had 100 armor/142 HP and 150 armor/full HP. I had no extra armor nor heals. Still took them both down with a blue Sten at about 25ish meters with juicy headshots for both of them in a straight firefight. > > > > I don’t know what weapons they had. One of them who was shooting me had an StG44 by the sound of it. But considering that they were teamers in the last circle, I can bet they had pink weapons. > > > > I feel like you’re exaggerating. You can’t know exactly how much hp the enemy has during or after an encounter. Makes me feel like this is probably based off something you might remember, but I doubt it went down like this. > > > > You know it tells you the damage you are doing with the hits? Pretty easy to get a reading on someones armour levels when its just you shooting them also. > > You know they’ve been trying to fix the “damage done” because it hasn’t displayed the correct values consistently for months now right? That UI bug hasn’t affected Firestorm from what I’ve seen. ---
**Author:** ![sabootheshaman](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sabootheshaman/32/103347_2.png) [@sabootheshaman](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/sabootheshaman)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 1:51pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/does-better-armament-mean-nothing/108730/11 "2019-08-07T13:51:00Z")
What @jroggs said. @ChickenTheTank don’t take it as a slight on you mate. Honestly you just need to learn firestorm better. The mode now contains a lot of players who have solid map and mechanical knowledge of the mode. For instance, here in Oceania I can almost guarantee who I’m coming up against in the final 2 squads as the community is small and I know the regulars will come through due to that intel and skillset. I’d suggest playing at least 4 rounds a day where you get to final few squads or top 5 in solos. ---
**Author:** ![YourLocalPlumber](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/yourlocalplumber/32/103277_2.png) [@YourLocalPlumber](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/YourLocalPlumber)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 2:20pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/does-better-armament-mean-nothing/108730/12 "2019-08-07T14:20:00Z")
> [@ChickenTheTank](#): > > > [@sabootheshaman](#): > > > > ChickenTheTank said: > > > > YourLocalPlumber wrote: » > > Because you’re bad? A couple of days ago I went 1v2 on the last circle against teamers. I had 100 armor and 65HP. Those lowest life forms had 100 armor/142 HP and 150 armor/full HP. I had no extra armor nor heals. Still took them both down with a blue Sten at about 25ish meters with juicy headshots for both of them in a straight firefight. > > > > I don’t know what weapons they had. One of them who was shooting me had an StG44 by the sound of it. But considering that they were teamers in the last circle, I can bet they had pink weapons. > > > > I feel like you’re exaggerating. You can’t know exactly how much hp the enemy has during or after an encounter. Makes me feel like this is probably based off something you might remember, but I doubt it went down like this. > > > > You know it tells you the damage you are doing with the hits? Pretty easy to get a reading on someones armour levels when its just you shooting them also. > > You know they’ve been trying to fix the “damage done” because it hasn’t displayed the correct values consistently for months now right? It doesn’t affect Firestorm. Here is the exact clip that I’ve described. [![Video: Battlefield V 2019 07 29 14 21 18 02](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/b/9/b9db5434b7b333903437b5504511bc01314c6563.jpeg "Battlefield V 2019 07 29 14 21 18 02") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfGkAahd28I) ---
**Author:** ![ChickenTheTank](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/f6c823/32.png) [@ChickenTheTank](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ChickenTheTank)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 9:14pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/does-better-armament-mean-nothing/108730/13 "2019-08-07T21:14:00Z")
> [@sabootheshaman](#): > > What @jroggs said. > > @ChickenTheTank don’t take it as a slight on you mate. Honestly you just need to learn firestorm better. The mode now contains a lot of players who have solid map and mechanical knowledge of the mode. > > For instance, here in Oceania I can almost guarantee who I’m coming up against in the final 2 squads as the community is small and I know the regulars will come through due to that intel and skillset. > > I’d suggest playing at least 4 rounds a day where you get to final few squads or top 5 in solos. I don’t need solo advice from you. You can look at my battlefield tracker firestorm stats (or whatever stats site you use) if you want (WhoLikeChicken). I don’t get to play a ton, but when I do, I always do very well. And I’m better than the majority of non- competitive players out there. Still off topic. While teaming in solos is definitely an issue, I think it is being exaggerated slightly. There’s no real way to differentiate people playing together, against people who are opportunistic and wait for enemies to engage each other before joining the engagement. Outside of extremely obvious instances, there’s no real way to know and it’s just guessing. On topic: @Leftlane1 at that range, and considering the guns, I would expect the other guy to win that encounter almost as much as not. The extreme close range gives his SMG an advantage. He likely didn’t miss shots because it was so close, so the pink vs green wouldn’t matter, and might have even given you a disadvantage because of the 3X scope at super close range. If he caught even 1 headshot hit in his shots and you don’t, there goes half your armor advantage right away. And if he got one, he probably gets 2 or 3 because the mp40 recoil is very easy to deal with. ---
**Author:** ![jroggs](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/jroggs/32/106829_2.png) [@jroggs](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/jroggs)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 1:33am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/does-better-armament-mean-nothing/108730/14 "2019-08-08T01:33:00Z")
> [@ChickenTheTank](#): > > I don’t need solo advice from you. You can look at my battlefield tracker firestorm stats (or whatever stats site you use) if you want (WhoLikeChicken). I don’t get to play a ton, but when I do, I always do very well. And I’m better than the majority of non- competitive players out there. Battlefield Tracker’s Firestorm stats are completely wrong. They started tracking late and they don’t correctly track each round. For example, BF Tracker says I have a 75% win rate in Solos. I’m not bad, but I sure as heck am not winning 3/4 of my games. ---
**Author:** ![ChickenTheTank](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/f6c823/32.png) [@ChickenTheTank](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ChickenTheTank)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 6:44pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/does-better-armament-mean-nothing/108730/15 "2019-08-08T18:44:00Z")
> [@jroggs](#): > > > [@ChickenTheTank](#): > > > > I don’t need solo advice from you. You can look at my battlefield tracker firestorm stats (or whatever stats site you use) if you want (WhoLikeChicken). I don’t get to play a ton, but when I do, I always do very well. And I’m better than the majority of non- competitive players out there. > > Battlefield Tracker’s Firestorm stats are completely wrong. They started tracking late and they don’t correctly track each round. For example, BF Tracker says I have a 75% win rate in Solos. I’m not bad, but I sure as heck am not winning 3/4 of my games. Ok, I tried to go back up the convo at hand. No disrespect or anything over this. But I’ll play 😄 1. Battlefield tracker started tracking late, and is incomplete. - I would argue all stats before the vehicle-exit-death bug appeared and was fixed should be thrown out anyway. Incomplete data is still more of an idea than no data. As time goes on it will become more and more accurate anyway. It only needs 40 matches of data minimum to give a pretty good idea of your regular stats. All of this is false in a research setting, and the best you’re going to get (acceptable) in an applied setting. People make busines decisions worth millions of dollars at stake based off worse data than BT. 1. Bf5 says you have a 75% win rate. -I would bet money they’re using their top 10 algorithm from either PUBG or Fortnite. Whichever one they did first. Which still would make this at least semi usable. Probably not, but who knows. It’s not exactly the BF5 is in a good state with its native stats either. If you deem the above likely, and acceptable, then you should see I can hold my own. The point is, if you want to talk balance, tactics, locations, drop spots, etc., then great! But I don’t need to be told to learn the mode and map better. I think if you look back at my assessment of the encounter, you’ll see a reasonable explanation for the OPs grievance. ---
**Author:** ![jroggs](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/jroggs/32/106829_2.png) [@jroggs](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/jroggs)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 7:03pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/does-better-armament-mean-nothing/108730/16 "2019-08-08T19:03:00Z")
> [@ChickenTheTank](#): > > > [@jroggs](#): > > > > > [@ChickenTheTank](#): > > > > > > I don’t need solo advice from you. You can look at my battlefield tracker firestorm stats (or whatever stats site you use) if you want (WhoLikeChicken). I don’t get to play a ton, but when I do, I always do very well. And I’m better than the majority of non- competitive players out there. > > > > Battlefield Tracker’s Firestorm stats are completely wrong. They started tracking late and they don’t correctly track each round. For example, BF Tracker says I have a 75% win rate in Solos. I’m not bad, but I sure as heck am not winning 3/4 of my games. > > Ok, I tried to go back up the convo at hand. No disrespect or anything over this. But I’ll play 😄 > > 1. Battlefield tracker started tracking late, and is incomplete. > > - I would argue all stats before the vehicle-exit-death bug appeared and was fixed should be thrown out anyway. Incomplete data is still more of an idea than no data. As time goes on it will become more and more accurate anyway. It only needs 40 matches of data minimum to give a pretty good idea of your regular stats. All of this is false in a research setting, and the best you’re going to get (acceptable) in an applied setting. People make busines decisions worth millions of dollars at stake based off worse data than BT. > > 1. Bf5 says you have a 75% win rate. > -I would bet money they’re using their top 10 algorithm from either PUBG or Fortnite. Whichever one they did first. Which still would make this at least semi usable. Probably not, but who knows. It’s not exactly the BF5 is in a good state with its native stats either. If you deem the above likely, and acceptable, then you should see I can hold my own. > > The point is, if you want to talk balance, tactics, locations, drop spots, etc., then great! But I don’t need to be told to learn the mode and map better. I think if you look back at my assessment of the encounter, you’ll see a reasonable explanation for the OPs grievance. Fair enough. I was just trying to keep the record straight factually, but looking back over this thread it kinda looks like I was singling you out and that wasn’t my intent. I agree with you on the exaggeration surrounding teaming, and YLP’s video above is an unintentionally good example of people seeing teaming where it probably isn’t.