# Feedback for Dice: Stealth Jets & Attack Jets **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 8, 2013, 10:07pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/feedback-for-dice-stealth-jets-attack-jets/164284 "2013-11-08T22:07:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![iDF-Akaorcram](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/77aa72/32.png) [@iDF-Akaorcram](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/iDF-Akaorcram)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 10:07pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/feedback-for-dice-stealth-jets-attack-jets/164284/1 "2013-11-08T22:07:00Z")
**Situation after the Client Patch 14.11.2013** All in all the jets are now very fair. The Stealth jet does not exactly what it supposed to do clear the skys, while the attack jet has no air radar and can focus on ground targets. As stealth jet you can start supprise attacks on attack jets ;). Nice simple solution Dice. Two points that dice still has to balance: SU 50 and F35 Bring them up to the level of the J20. ECM still doesnt work right most of the time one rocket will hit you and in a dogfight thats all what it takes to get then in “Killshoot position” All in all it should be fair and yes good pilots can live with the OP mainbase AA - still look into it dice once spottet your dead. Before the patch you were dead but you had a chance to retreat. Thanks all the best Dice, keep it up. Original Post: **Attack Jets:** _What works:_ The A10, Q5, SU25 balance is nice and if they only encounter each other, we have a fair fight. \*What doesnt work and how to fix it: \* The main gun is to powerful against other aircrafts. The attack jets main gun damange should be toned down against other aircrafts and Helis! But keep the main guns damange against the ground vehicles as it is right now. A moving target takes alot of skill to actualy kill it. See for yourself in this video: [![Video: Battlefield 4 | 46-0 Killstreak - A-10 Attack Jet Gameplay | Paracel Storm - 1ron-tjunfisk](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/4/9/490d01f657a3a626d481dbcf4fdfc7eb071fa008.jpeg "Battlefield 4 | 46-0 Killstreak - A-10 Attack Jet Gameplay | Paracel Storm - 1ron-tjunfisk") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dZ3YBKYfMQ&list=PLfEkq8Mxiku89yxjJvOX0jrqXAzP8o4j6) [[youtube.com](http://youtube.com)] (He is a Top Pilot - So rest assure not everyone can pull this off) The JDAM bombs are rediculesly underpowered. Even a perfect direct hit will bring down the enemy vehicle only 45 points. The TV-Missile. Well great Idea dice. Most likely ill be dead after useing it because my jet slows way to fast down. _Why this solution:_ You had a great Idea Dice to put two different types of Jets on the Maps. Encourges Teamplay. One clears the sky while the other focuses on ground support. At the moment its broken the attack jets kill everything on the ground **and air.** The Air part shouldnt be there. Next keep the Attack jets movement untouched. (As already mentioned it works fine as it is right now) JDAM bombs could be buffed a little. Or make the splash damange higher. - **Need other solution for thisNo solution at the moment for the TV-Missile** **UPDATE PATCH: Attack jet has no air radar anymore - Seems this is a bug sometimes you have a air radar sometimes you dont ☹** **UPDATE PATCH: Mobility Hits have now devastating consequences Stealth Jets:** _What works:_ Well not much to be honest. The J20, F35, SU-50 are totaly out of balance. The SU-50 outmanouvers everything and the F35 flys like a bus in the air. At the moment the fairest jet is the J20. It can keep up with the bomber, but isnt so overpowered like the SU-50. (Tested with varrious Dogfighters) The 30MM is to weak against aircrafts. \*What doesnt work and how to fix it: \* Bring all Stealth Jets up and down to 11 or 12 G. So a little under that what the SU-50 can pull right now. I know this might sound a little overpowered, but the attack jets are fine so dont brake something that doesnt need fixing its the Stealth jets that are broken. Give all Stealth Jets a real afterburner. Meaning if you kick in the afterburner at a certin height you will then basicly fly away from the bomber. This was possible with the F35 in BF2 - Called “strato run”. Increase the damage of the 30MM against aircrafts please. I mean it should kill aircrafts and helis way faster - no as fast as the attack jets now. Little less then in BF3, but that should be discussed. Keep the 30MM damange against ground targets as it is. - **FIXED Dice increased the damange with the first patch. - Still needs a buff against helis** _Why this solution:_ If some of the propsed stuff is executed the stealth jets are valuble assets that will be able to help the attack jets, by clearing the sky but the same time there multirolefunction is still there with the TV-Guided rocket unlock. Aswell a stealth jet should be superior in some aspects then a attack jet (manoverbility, speed etc.) **Known bugs ohter Aircrafts related stuff to look into:VERY IMPORTANT SINCE THE PATCH THE BASE AA IS VERY OP. ONCE SPOTTET YOUR DEAD YOU HAVE NO CHANCE OF FLYING AWAY.** - Jet Stall, please let jets come down faster - Please fix the hud of the Q5 you cant read the important data like G forces. ![](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/3/5/35a244ab8c80f72b915fc520e41379596db6fc87.jpeg) [[2f4y.com](http://2f4y.com)] - Jet issue with trees [![Video: Battlefield 4 - jet physics please - Tree pinball](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/f/b/fbb0775c8e452dc3a2cd0c8890253bd30d145a13.jpeg "Battlefield 4 - jet physics please - Tree pinball") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAO-255Ydcw) [[youtube.com](http://youtube.com)] - Your own TV Missile kills you and the jet [![Video: BF4 Jet unlocks - Tv missile and J-bomb](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/d/6/d66397ccbfdc34d6baec818d20a0549c4dfa4180.jpeg "BF4 Jet unlocks - Tv missile and J-bomb") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA81nD2n5rA&t=50s) [[youtube.com](http://youtube.com)] > [@](#): > > _Genzak said:_ > **- New bug since the patch. No AirRadar on the Attack Jets. Since it some maps you have it some you dont.** > Also tweaks to flares and ECM, since they again don’t work half the time (probably netcode issue again as in BF 3) > [@](#): > > _pzyho said:_ > As far as i know TV Missiles in Jet should also not destroying your own jet after launching it. Had that couple of times, as i tried it out 🙂 > [@](#): > > _renesweb74 said:_ > please add Bug - had today on hardcore –\> paracel storm: > > F35 no side view!!! Can´t look right and left **Other suggestions by users written in this thread:** > [@](#): > > _Genzak said:_ > I would also add, add proper targeting reticule for hydra missiles, after a while you don’t really need it, but it just seems retarded to aim them with the same reticule as AA missiles. Plus i would like to see damage models redone, it’s retarded that it is harder to kill a jeep than a MBT, LGM doing the same damage to a MBT as an inflatable boat and so on. > [@](#): > > _SharkbaitOOHAHAA said:_ > Do support for the BF3 cameras. Not sure about BF2 camera, wouldn’t that make maneuvering under ECM cover far less effective? I kinda like the idea BF3 had with being able to pull mindgames when you maneuver out of your opponents FOV. > [@](#): > > _SentryNXT said:_ > " Keep the 30MM damange against ground targets as it is. " So totally useless ? full burst of 30mm does 6-8 % damage to tank / attack boat , should be 20-30 % > [@](#): > > _hgjwz-eu said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _IDF-Akaorcram said:_ > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _hgjwz-eu said:_ > > > stealth jet > > > 20 mm = jet/ heli killer > > > 25 mm = mix between air power and ground power > > > 30 mm = pure power against ground targets. > > > > > > Thats how imoh the cannons should be for stealth. > > > > Nope disagree that would be overkill. its a stealth jet. It shouldnt be able to do surfier damage to ground targets. Thats the job of the attack jet! 😉 > > 30 should not be the most damaging against air. Its high caliber really low velocity bullet 20 mm should always rape air harder with its superior fire rate/velocity. > Even right now 20 mm does most dmg against light air targets in shorter period of times. Just making it clearer would really give each ammo an purpose. **Other posts addressing this or similar issue/problem.** [Buff “Stealth Jets” and nerf “Attack Jets”](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/buff-stealth-jets-and-nerf-attack-jets/164110) [How to Balance/Fix Jets](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614) **(Please keep the post on topic and keep a respectful tone to the devs and to those who post in this thread so this issue can be taken serious.)PS:Personal note please add again jet cams like every decent flying game is useing them.**[BF4 : — More Camera Angles — C F11 F10 F9](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4-more-camera-angles-c-f11-f10-f9/149052) All the best keep cya on the battlefield. ---
**Author:** ![pzyho](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/bc79bd/32.png) [@pzyho](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/pzyho)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 10:25pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/feedback-for-dice-stealth-jets-attack-jets/164284/2 "2013-11-08T22:25:00Z")
That’s some good Constructive Feedback dude, i like it 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![iDF-Akaorcram](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/77aa72/32.png) [@iDF-Akaorcram](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/iDF-Akaorcram)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 10:29pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/feedback-for-dice-stealth-jets-attack-jets/164284/3 "2013-11-08T22:29:00Z")
thanks 🙂 Hope this will be heard 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![zackman40](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/z/a88e57/32.png) [@zackman40](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/zackman40)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 10:33pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/feedback-for-dice-stealth-jets-attack-jets/164284/4 "2013-11-08T22:33:00Z")
Don’t know if im the only one but once I got to high on some maps like 1000+ alt, I stall but in this stall im unable to come out of it because the aircraft wont reduce past 200knots and it just gets stuck in a stall. Some sort of fix for this would be nice. and man bf2 f-35 strato run was fun as hell back in the day, could get that thing up to 3500+ speed ---
**Author:** ![Silly\_Colgate](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/71c47a/32.png) [@Silly\_Colgate](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Silly_Colgate)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 10:47pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/feedback-for-dice-stealth-jets-attack-jets/164284/5 "2013-11-08T22:47:00Z")
[![Video: DIDN'T READ LOL](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/8/7/872c22af1fbd02356228c8c0dc15c6a9e3b3dffd.jpeg "DIDN'T READ LOL") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GgflscOmW8) [[youtube.com](http://youtube.com)] ---
**Author:** ![ISh1NoXI](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/13edae/32.png) [@ISh1NoXI](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ISh1NoXI)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 10:50pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/feedback-for-dice-stealth-jets-attack-jets/164284/6 "2013-11-08T22:50:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Silly\_Colgate said:_ > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GgflscOmW8](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GgflscOmW8) > > [[youtube.com](http://youtube.com)] fuck off dude seriously, he puts so much effort in his post then you twat come here and jerk off with youtube links ---
**Author:** ![iDF-Akaorcram](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/77aa72/32.png) [@iDF-Akaorcram](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/iDF-Akaorcram)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 10:55pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/feedback-for-dice-stealth-jets-attack-jets/164284/7 "2013-11-08T22:55:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _zackman40 said:_ > Don’t know if im the only one but once I got to high on some maps like 1000+ alt, I stall but in this stall im unable to come out of it because the aircraft wont reduce past 200knots and it just gets stuck in a stall. Some sort of fix for this would be nice. > > and man bf2 f-35 strato run was fun as hell back in the day, could get that thing up to 3500+ speed Updated first post. aswell added this to the buglist: ![](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/3/5/35a244ab8c80f72b915fc520e41379596db6fc87.jpeg) [[2f4y.com](http://2f4y.com)] Please let me know if there is other stuff you want to add etc. Thanks 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Silly\_Colgate](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/71c47a/32.png) [@Silly\_Colgate](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Silly_Colgate)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 11:02pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/feedback-for-dice-stealth-jets-attack-jets/164284/8 "2013-11-08T23:02:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _ISh1NoXI говорит:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _Silly\_Colgate said:_ > > > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GgflscOmW8](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GgflscOmW8) > > > > [[youtube.com](http://youtube.com)] > > fuck off dude seriously, he puts so much effort in his post then you twat come here and jerk off with youtube links лол офигительно ---
**Author:** ![matt0296](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@matt0296](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/matt0296)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 11:05pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/feedback-for-dice-stealth-jets-attack-jets/164284/9 "2013-11-08T23:05:00Z")
Totally agree with this - DICE should implement these fixes in the first patch. ---
**Author:** ![cG-Nudlar](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/6f9a4e/32.png) [@cG-Nudlar](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/cG-Nudlar)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 11:11pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/feedback-for-dice-stealth-jets-attack-jets/164284/10 "2013-11-08T23:11:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _-cG-Mattt said:_ > Totally agree with this - DICE should implement these fixes in the first patch. I would be genuinely surprised if they do fix it. Most likely I won’t be surprised. ))) ---
**Author:** ![xapso-milk](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/4bbf92/32.png) [@xapso-milk](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/xapso-milk)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 11:33pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/feedback-for-dice-stealth-jets-attack-jets/164284/11 "2013-11-08T23:33:00Z")
i think the absolute biggest issue is the balance between all the planes as said in the post, the stealth jets are way to unbalanced between eachother and even a attack jet can easily keep up with a f35 and a j20. all the other stuff with buffing/nerfing guns wont be super necessary if the attack jets couldnt keep up with the stealth’s. atleast imo good post marko, hopefully they will listen this time ---
**Author:** ![GER\_Venom\_HD](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/c4cdca/32.png) [@GER\_Venom\_HD](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/GER_Venom_HD)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 11:34pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/feedback-for-dice-stealth-jets-attack-jets/164284/12 "2013-11-08T23:34:00Z")
[![Video: Battlefield 4 | 46-0 Killstreak - A-10 Attack Jet Gameplay | Paracel Storm - 1ron-tjunfisk](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/4/9/490d01f657a3a626d481dbcf4fdfc7eb071fa008.jpeg "Battlefield 4 | 46-0 Killstreak - A-10 Attack Jet Gameplay | Paracel Storm - 1ron-tjunfisk") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dZ3YBKYfMQ&list=PLfEkq8Mxiku89yxjJvOX0jrqXAzP8o4j6) [[youtube.com](http://youtube.com)] (He is a Top Pilot - So rest assure not everyone can pull this off) this guy is doing some serious 360° turns i always turning on 300km/h but need way more room and time :o is there any secret? btt: is there no 30mm gun too for stealth jet? that 2 missiles should deal 2x40 dmg with more area damage to near enemys and a chance to crit if you hit the back of the vehicle ---
**Author:** ![kpwfenins](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/848f3c/32.png) [@kpwfenins](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/kpwfenins)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 11:42pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/feedback-for-dice-stealth-jets-attack-jets/164284/13 "2013-11-08T23:42:00Z")
simply /signed ---
**Author:** ![piklioto](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@piklioto](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/piklioto)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 11:48pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/feedback-for-dice-stealth-jets-attack-jets/164284/14 "2013-11-08T23:48:00Z")
Finally a nice idea not just whining _high five_op and /signed ---
**Author:** ![KoningStoma](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/7feea3/32.png) [@KoningStoma](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/KoningStoma)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 11:51pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/feedback-for-dice-stealth-jets-attack-jets/164284/15 "2013-11-08T23:51:00Z")
I’m not going to tell DICE how exactly it should be, but it should be balanced, consistent and polished. Right now its the opposite of that. ---
**Author:** ![matt0296](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@matt0296](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/matt0296)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 11:52pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/feedback-for-dice-stealth-jets-attack-jets/164284/16 "2013-11-08T23:52:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _-cG-Nudlar said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _-cG-Mattt said:_ > > Totally agree with this - DICE should implement these fixes in the first patch. > > I would be genuinely surprised if they do fix it. Most likely I won’t be surprised. ))) I’m not holding my breath for a fix. xD ---
**Author:** ![CeL0xX](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/c77e96/32.png) [@CeL0xX](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/CeL0xX)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 11:55pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/feedback-for-dice-stealth-jets-attack-jets/164284/17 "2013-11-08T23:55:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _kpwfenins said:_ > simply /signed ---
**Author:** ![Vt-Gandalf](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/v/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Vt-Gandalf](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Vt-Gandalf)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2013, 12:05am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/feedback-for-dice-stealth-jets-attack-jets/164284/18 "2013-11-09T00:05:00Z")
nice post OP, agree with everything ---
**Author:** ![iDF-Akaorcram](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/77aa72/32.png) [@iDF-Akaorcram](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/iDF-Akaorcram)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2013, 12:27am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/feedback-for-dice-stealth-jets-attack-jets/164284/19 "2013-11-09T00:27:00Z")
Thanks for the kind words spread the word. If you have any other good Ideas then lets post them here Ill add them then to the 1 post 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Fr3quency](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@Fr3quency](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Fr3quency)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2013, 12:32am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/feedback-for-dice-stealth-jets-attack-jets/164284/20 "2013-11-09T00:32:00Z")
+1 to OP