# FIX the jet ramming!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 25, 2019, 4:29am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/fix-the-jet-ramming/106653 "2019-02-25T04:29:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![someguy12121](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/someguy12121/32/103557_2.png) [@someguy12121](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/someguy12121)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 4:29am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/fix-the-jet-ramming/106653/1 "2019-02-25T04:29:00Z")
Just about every time I get into a bomber people in fighters run into bombers to at least damage parts on the bomber so they can then more easily come back. This has gotten crazy with how there is little to no penalty in doing this. ---
**Author:** ![oXGeminiXo](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/o/a87d85/32.png) [@oXGeminiXo](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/oXGeminiXo)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 4:52am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/fix-the-jet-ramming/106653/2 "2019-02-25T04:52:00Z")
I find this funny because it just shows how unskillful they are. ---
**Author:** ![Td05\_RumpleWagen](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/td05_rumplewagen/32/107217_2.png) [@Td05\_RumpleWagen](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Td05_RumpleWagen)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 5:59am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/fix-the-jet-ramming/106653/3 "2019-02-25T05:59:00Z")
You can thank dice for treating us like children not deserving of being trusted with their immaculate creation. When we had our OWN servers this was not an issue as much as these rammers were kicked. I remember the real days of BF with adults running the show, rammers and toxic kids were gone quick ---
**Author:** ![olavafar](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/olavafar/32/101046_2.png) [@olavafar](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/olavafar)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 6:04am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/fix-the-jet-ramming/106653/4 "2019-02-25T06:04:00Z")
If you switch to gunner seat and have some rudimentary aim you will take enough health out of them so that THEY go down but not you if they ram you. I got 5-6 kills this way last time I was in a bomber. ---
**Author:** ![Toxic\_CA](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/toxic_ca/32/103872_2.png) [@Toxic\_CA](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Toxic_CA)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 6:34am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/fix-the-jet-ramming/106653/5 "2019-02-25T06:34:00Z")
Theres jets in this game? ---
**Author:** ![olavafar](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/olavafar/32/101046_2.png) [@olavafar](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/olavafar)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 7:18am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/fix-the-jet-ramming/106653/6 "2019-02-25T07:18:00Z")
Not yet but maybe we’ll get the Me 262 at some point… ---
**Author:** ![Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hawxxeye/32/101036_2.png) [@Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Hawxxeye)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 7:34am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/fix-the-jet-ramming/106653/7 "2019-02-25T07:34:00Z")
> [@olavafar](#): > > If you switch to gunner seat and have some rudimentary aim you will take enough health out of them so that THEY go down but not you if they ram you. I got 5-6 kills this way last time I was in a bomber. One thing that more people need to consider is that seat switching indirectly increases the chance of plane ramming since bomber loses a lot of speed when it has an empty pilot seat. ---
**Author:** ![SirBobdk](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sirbobdk/32/103491_2.png) [@SirBobdk](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SirBobdk)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 7:40am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/fix-the-jet-ramming/106653/8 "2019-02-25T07:40:00Z")
> [@Hawxxeye](#): > > > [@olavafar](#): > > > > If you switch to gunner seat and have some rudimentary aim you will take enough health out of them so that THEY go down but not you if they ram you. I got 5-6 kills this way last time I was in a bomber. > > One thing that more people need to consider is that seat switching indirectly increases the chance of plane ramming since bomber loses a lot of speed when it has an empty pilot seat. True, but most ramming happens because most pilots on PC don’t have a clue on how to fly or use throttle. Most don’t even try to change direction but just keep on shooting until they hit the other plane. Experienced pilots keep distance and take another run if getting to close even when the bomber pilot switch seat. ---
**Author:** ![GloriousRepublic](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/gloriousrepublic/32/101034_2.png) [@GloriousRepublic](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/GloriousRepublic)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 7:46am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/fix-the-jet-ramming/106653/9 "2019-02-25T07:46:00Z")
I know some of it comes from frustrated ground troops getting bombed over and over. I actually plane rammed one last night. I dont fly planes at all but the AA in this game is a joke and if your pilots on your team’s suck you have no other choice to take matters into your own hands. I was halfway through a match and had 10 deaths and 9 of them were from being bombed by planes so ya I plane rammed them and I hope the pilot burned in hell. They need to make the AA powerful enough to at least get the pilot to go some place else but it is pretty much zero deterrent. They just come right at you and out DPS you no prob and continue on. ---
**Author:** ![olavafar](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/olavafar/32/101046_2.png) [@olavafar](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/olavafar)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 7:52am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/fix-the-jet-ramming/106653/10 "2019-02-25T07:52:00Z")
> [@Hawxxeye](#): > > > [@olavafar](#): > > > > If you switch to gunner seat and have some rudimentary aim you will take enough health out of them so that THEY go down but not you if they ram you. I got 5-6 kills this way last time I was in a bomber. > > One thing that more people need to consider is that seat switching indirectly increases the chance of plane ramming since bomber loses a lot of speed when it has an empty pilot seat. Yepp! It is all part of the cunning plan… What is not part of it is a noob entering the pilot seat while one do this maneuver. It is pretty rare but kind of annoying when it happens. Still more annoying is to get a blind gunner though and this happens way more frequently but one needs to have a forgiving attitude. Mostly they just want to be helpful. ---
**Author:** ![SirBobdk](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sirbobdk/32/103491_2.png) [@SirBobdk](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SirBobdk)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 8:11am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/fix-the-jet-ramming/106653/11 "2019-02-25T08:11:00Z")
> [@GloriousRepublic](#): > > I know some of it comes from frustrated ground troops getting bombed over and over. I actually plane rammed one last night. I dont fly planes at all but the AA in this game is a joke and if your pilots on your team’s suck you have no other choice to take matters into your own hands.. BF is about combined war fare and not infantry only. It’s not an argument for buffing the AA that a team don’t have any good pilots. In a game like BF every one need to learn all aspect of the game if a team are to be effective. The problem is that most people want this to be an infantry game and to deal with planes as infantry instead of learning how to fly. I’m not saying that AA/MAA should be useless but right now it works in combination with fighters. ---
**Author:** ![chainloose](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@chainloose](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/chainloose)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 8:13am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/fix-the-jet-ramming/106653/12 "2019-02-25T08:13:00Z")
its more realistic , i like the mechanics of it , it allows you to outplay a bomber ---
**Author:** ![GloriousRepublic](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/gloriousrepublic/32/101034_2.png) [@GloriousRepublic](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/GloriousRepublic)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 8:18am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/fix-the-jet-ramming/106653/13 "2019-02-25T08:18:00Z")
> [@SirBobdk](#): > > > [@GloriousRepublic](#): > > > > I know some of it comes from frustrated ground troops getting bombed over and over. I actually plane rammed one last night. I dont fly planes at all but the AA in this game is a joke and if your pilots on your team’s suck you have no other choice to take matters into your own hands.. > > BF is about combined war fare and not infantry only. It’s not an argument for buffing the AA that a team don’t have any good pilots. In a game like BF every one need to learn all aspect of the game if a team are to be effective. The problem is that most people want this to be an infantry game and to deal with planes as infantry instead of learning how to fly. I’m not saying that AA/MAA should be useless but right now it works in combination with fighters. Im not saying gimp the planes but I can literally start shooting a Stuka with the AA and it will turn around and fly right at me and kill me. There is zero fear of the AA at all. Im not saying it should be able shoot across the map and take down planes. But when a plane is just endlessly bombing the same cap or your spawn. The AA should be at the very least powerful enough for it to break off and go somewhere else not just do a u turn and instantly kill you proceed on. ---
**Author:** ![SirBobdk](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sirbobdk/32/103491_2.png) [@SirBobdk](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SirBobdk)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 8:31am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/fix-the-jet-ramming/106653/14 "2019-02-25T08:31:00Z")
> [@GloriousRepublic](#): > > > [@SirBobdk](#): > > > > > [@GloriousRepublic](#): > > > > > > I know some of it comes from frustrated ground troops getting bombed over and over. I actually plane rammed one last night. I dont fly planes at all but the AA in this game is a joke and if your pilots on your team’s suck you have no other choice to take matters into your own hands.. > > > > BF is about combined war fare and not infantry only. It’s not an argument for buffing the AA that a team don’t have any good pilots. In a game like BF every one need to learn all aspect of the game if a team are to be effective. The problem is that most people want this to be an infantry game and to deal with planes as infantry instead of learning how to fly. I’m not saying that AA/MAA should be useless but right now it works in combination with fighters. > > Im not saying gimp the planes but I can literally start shooting a Stuka with the AA and it will turn around and fly right at me and kill me. There is zero fear of the AA at all. Im not saying it should be able shoot across the map and take down planes. But when a plane is just endlessly bombing the same cap or your spawn. The AA should be at the very least powerful enough for it to break off and go somewhere else not just do a u turn and instantly kill you proceed on. Bombers should fear fighters, fighters should fear AA and AA should fear bombers and that’s how it is at the moment. The MAA melts fighters and the Stuka, so imo its ok that the SAA have problems with the bombers. Its a kind of balance. Fighters \> Bombers \> AA \> fighters. ---
**Author:** ![mattd3162014](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/mattd3162014/32/102761_2.png) [@mattd3162014](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/mattd3162014)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 8:34am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/fix-the-jet-ramming/106653/15 "2019-02-25T08:34:00Z")
> [@someguy12121](#): > > Just about every time I get into a bomber people in fighters run into bombers to at least damage parts on the bomber so they can then more easily come back. This has gotten crazy with how there is little to no penalty in doing this. There was not jets in world war 2! ---
**Author:** ![olavafar](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/olavafar/32/101046_2.png) [@olavafar](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/olavafar)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 8:38am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/fix-the-jet-ramming/106653/16 "2019-02-25T08:38:00Z")
> [@mattd3162014](#): > > > [@someguy12121](#): > > > > Just about every time I get into a bomber people in fighters run into bombers to at least damage parts on the bomber so they can then more easily come back. This has gotten crazy with how there is little to no penalty in doing this. > > There was not jets in world war 2! Yes there were, but they are not in the game as of now. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_X2345](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/bb73d2/32.png) [@Dr\_X2345](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Dr_X2345)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 8:59am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/fix-the-jet-ramming/106653/17 "2019-02-25T08:59:00Z")
> [@olavafar](#): > > > [@mattd3162014](#): > > > > > [@someguy12121](#): > > > > > > Just about every time I get into a bomber people in fighters run into bombers to at least damage parts on the bomber so they can then more easily come back. This has gotten crazy with how there is little to no penalty in doing this. > > > > There was not jets in world war 2! > > Yes there were, but they are not in the game as of now. Weren’t they also pretty experimental at this point? I may be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![stiny1838](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/db5fbb/32.png) [@stiny1838](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/stiny1838)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 9:03am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/fix-the-jet-ramming/106653/18 "2019-02-25T09:03:00Z")
> [@Dr\_X2345](#): > > > [@olavafar](#): > > > > > [@mattd3162014](#): > > > > > > > [@someguy12121](#): > > > > > > > > Just about every time I get into a bomber people in fighters run into bombers to at least damage parts on the bomber so they can then more easily come back. This has gotten crazy with how there is little to no penalty in doing this. > > > > > > There was not jets in world war 2! > > > > Yes there were, but they are not in the game as of now. > > Weren’t they also pretty experimental at this point? I may be wrong. the Heinkel He 178, flew only five days before the start of the war, on 1 September 1939. ---
**Author:** ![fragnstein](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/fragnstein/32/106687_2.png) [@fragnstein](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/fragnstein)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 9:15am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/fix-the-jet-ramming/106653/19 "2019-02-25T09:15:00Z")
> [@SirBobdk](#): > > > [@GloriousRepublic](#): > > > > > [@SirBobdk](#): > > > > > > > [@GloriousRepublic](#): > > > > > > > > I know some of it comes from frustrated ground troops getting bombed over and over. I actually plane rammed one last night. I dont fly planes at all but the AA in this game is a joke and if your pilots on your team’s suck you have no other choice to take matters into your own hands.. > > > > > > BF is about combined war fare and not infantry only. It’s not an argument for buffing the AA that a team don’t have any good pilots. In a game like BF every one need to learn all aspect of the game if a team are to be effective. The problem is that most people want this to be an infantry game and to deal with planes as infantry instead of learning how to fly. I’m not saying that AA/MAA should be useless but right now it works in combination with fighters. > > > > Im not saying gimp the planes but I can literally start shooting a Stuka with the AA and it will turn around and fly right at me and kill me. There is zero fear of the AA at all. Im not saying it should be able shoot across the map and take down planes. But when a plane is just endlessly bombing the same cap or your spawn. The AA should be at the very least powerful enough for it to break off and go somewhere else not just do a u turn and instantly kill you proceed on. > > Bombers should fear fighters, fighters should fear AA and AA should fear bombers and that’s how it is at the moment. The MAA melts fighters and the Stuka, so imo its ok that the SAA have problems with the bombers. Its a kind of balance. > Fighters \> Bombers \> AA \> fighters. Aa cant melt ice cream let alone a fighter. Common man ---
**Author:** ![Kayback](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/kayback/32/106842_2.png) [@Kayback](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Kayback)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 9:22am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/fix-the-jet-ramming/106653/20 "2019-02-25T09:22:00Z")
> [@SirBobdk](#): > > > [@GloriousRepublic](#): > > > > I know some of it comes from frustrated ground troops getting bombed over and over. I actually plane rammed one last night. I dont fly planes at all but the AA in this game is a joke and if your pilots on your team’s suck you have no other choice to take matters into your own hands.. > > BF is about combined war fare and not infantry only. It’s not an argument for buffing the AA that a team don’t have any good pilots. In a game like BF every one need to learn all aspect of the game if a team are to be effective. The problem is that most people want this to be an infantry game and to deal with planes as infantry instead of learning how to fly. I’m not saying that AA/MAA should be useless but right now it works in combination with fighters. The thing is without at least equal skill pilots on both teams it isn’t even a combined arms game. It becomes an aircraft point farm. Like with the AA in BF2 the planes can just ignore almost any fixed position gun. It doesn’t do enough damage individually to down bombers or attack planes except in a very lucky manner. Generally it shows the bomber the gun is manned so they can circle away, repair, run in and bomb you and fly away to repair. Personally I wouldn’t BUFF the guns. Some AA guns can be OP like the gattling guns IN BFBC2. I would add many more guns to the spawn or early stages of a map. With the current damage and 2 or more gun on the same target it would work much better. IMHO the Pom Pom guns from BF1 were quite well balanced. And they had enough of them dotted around that if you sacrificed enough foot soldiers you could chase off aeroplane’s. [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/fix-the-jet-ramming/106653.md?page=2)