# Flares are killing the game **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 1, 2019, 10:58pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flares-are-killing-the-game/107427 "2019-12-01T22:58:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![V2Face](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/v2face/32/103961_2.png) [@V2Face](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/V2Face)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 11:23am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flares-are-killing-the-game/107427/41 "2019-12-03T11:23:00Z")
> [@Hawxxeye](#): > > (Quote) > That is a mistake. As far as game devs (and those who support their decisions) are concerned, if you do not speak against something then you are apparently fine with it. > . > Never allow others to assume what you think by being silent. Make it known in a clear yet civil manner. Devs avoid the official forums like the plague, I would have a better chance at an actual response if I follow a dev on Twitter or made a thread on Reddit. ---
**Author:** ![TyroneLoyd](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/tyroneloyd/32/103927_2.png) [@TyroneLoyd](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TyroneLoyd)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 11:28am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flares-are-killing-the-game/107427/42 "2019-12-03T11:28:00Z")
Shoot it. ---
**Author:** ![VRtroper](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/vrtroper/32/107294_2.png) [@VRtroper](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/VRtroper)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 12:08pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flares-are-killing-the-game/107427/43 "2019-12-03T12:08:00Z")
Escribe tu [[email protected]](https://battlefieldforum.co/cdn-cgi/l/email-protection) really the only thing that he hears is the children crying because they want (flares, more ammunition, long-range sights, NERF-type colored weapons) In the end @DICE does not care if the product is good or not, you really want to sell and for that you have to make the children happy. I have always said that this is not a ww2 game, it is only set and sometimes it does not reach that according to the map. Remaster 1942 battlefield if you want to have a happy community again. ---
**Author:** ![Singe1989](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@Singe1989](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Singe1989)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 8:35pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flares-are-killing-the-game/107427/44 "2019-12-03T20:35:00Z")
I’m not crying here I’m just hoping something gets done because I have never known any Battlefield to be so flare rich. It’s not a case of ‘shoot them down’ or ‘want an easier life’. I do shoot them down when I see them and I’m not a camper. It’s not the way Battlefield is meant to played, bringing all this radar activity it’s delivering a run and gun team deathmatch type of game. The major effectiveness of the flares is killing certain aspects of the game. Flanking becoming near on impossible, I used to love trying to flank right around undetected and becoming a spawn point for squad mates when the enemy has dug its heels in and you really have to use your noggin. Tactical game has taken a hit, moving through the bushes and see a squad moving, duck down for cover and remain undetected awaiting the right moment to ambush. But most squads just bang a flare up in uncharted territory and the games up. Even moments where your repairing your squad mates tank behind him, hiding and make sure the repairs keeps going. With a flare they know instantly someone is behind repairing and all gun to take you out. This isn’t about ‘oh it’s not fair’ ‘ can’t camp’ - It literally changes great aspects of the game. ---
**Author:** ![normzzzzzy](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@normzzzzzy](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/normzzzzzy)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2019, 1:25am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flares-are-killing-the-game/107427/45 "2019-12-04T01:25:00Z")
> [@Hawxxeye](#): > > (Quote) > For example compare how many views and replies a REEEEEE thread gets compared to a longer and more carefully written topic . The sounds of “REEEEEE” are usually a lot more louder than anything else on these forums. ---
**Author:** ![spateri1](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@spateri1](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/spateri1)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2019, 7:07am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flares-are-killing-the-game/107427/46 "2019-12-04T07:07:00Z")
I just want the beacon, give the recon class something else like dynamite or mines. I have to have flares so I shamefully use them. Well that and it spots the camping grubs out. ---
**Author:** ![Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hawxxeye/32/101036_2.png) [@Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Hawxxeye)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2019, 8:04am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flares-are-killing-the-game/107427/47 "2019-12-04T08:04:00Z")
> [@normzzzzzy](#): > > > [@Hawxxeye](#): > > > > [»] > > (Quote) > > For example compare how many views and replies a REEEEEE thread gets compared to a longer and more carefully written topic . > > The sounds of “REEEEEE” are usually a lot more louder than anything else on these forums. As Randy Marsh said, one has to be over the top in this era to be taken seriously. It saddens me cause I rather civilized discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2019, 11:13am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flares-are-killing-the-game/107427/48 "2019-12-04T11:13:00Z")
> [@Singe1989](#): > > I’m not crying here I’m just hoping something gets done because I have never known any Battlefield to be so flare rich. > > It’s not a case of ‘shoot them down’ or ‘want an easier life’. I do shoot them down when I see them and I’m not a camper. > > It’s not the way Battlefield is meant to played, bringing all this radar activity it’s delivering a run and gun team deathmatch type of game. The major effectiveness of the flares is killing certain aspects of the game. > > Flanking becoming near on impossible, I used to love trying to flank right around undetected and becoming a spawn point for squad mates when the enemy has dug its heels in and you really have to use your noggin. > > Tactical game has taken a hit, moving through the bushes and see a squad moving, duck down for cover and remain undetected awaiting the right moment to ambush. But most squads just bang a flare up in uncharted territory and the games up. > > Even moments where your repairing your squad mates tank behind him, hiding and make sure the repairs keeps going. With a flare they know instantly someone is behind repairing and all gun to take you out. > > This isn’t about ‘oh it’s not fair’ ‘ can’t camp’ - It literally changes great aspects of the game. I’d hardly consider it “not the way BF was meant to be played”. Every single modern, Frostbite Era BF game has had this type of gadget. Hell, BF1 had the exact same concept, except flares were indestructible and could be shot at the ground and would still provide a maximum radius for spotting. BF4 had tracking balls you could barely see. BF5s spotting gadget is one of the most easily countered gadgets in the game. They can be destroyed with one bullet, they glow red, they make a distinct sound when they’re up in the air, we have a minimap indicator telling us whether or not they’re friendly, and come patch 5.2 we will have an indicator above the minimap telling us when we’re spotted or not. On BF2 back in 2005, commander mode was almost solely dedicated to putting UAVs over objectives for your team, and mimicking literally exactly what flares do in this game. There has been “minimap activity” like that in these games for decades. Ffs, in BF4 you were spotted on the minimap, full screen map, and deploy screen just for firing your weapon. Secondly, flanking gameplay most definitely is not gone. It’s almost exclusively how I play. I just got an Xbox One X last night (God, what an upgrade over the original 2013 Xbone) and played like 4 matches and remarked on flanking and taking out whole squads at least 3 times to my friends I was playing with (not as a brag, but as a complaint that nobody else was killing people). I have first hand testimony to the fact that there are definitely still a myriad situations allowing for you to sneak up, hide in a bush, and take out an enemy squad. It’s not as if there are flares up on literally every square inch of the map, unless you’re playing small modes or sector based modes, in which case that’s you’re own fault - because flares in those game modes are literally designed to be used to prevent 3 people from flanking and killing literally the entire enemy team with a Thompson. Flares don’t really change aspects of the game compared to the past at all. We’ve essentially had these spotting tools in these games for a decade now, and have had minimap spotting in some form well before that. What we do have more of compared to the past is a playerbase seemingly infatuated with smaller modes and maps, and sector based modes, complaining that things designed for larger more open maps are broken when used in a tiny sector stuffed with 64 players - who would’ve thought. ---
**Author:** ![larry\_54235](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/f08c70/32.png) [@larry\_54235](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/larry_54235)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2019, 11:27am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flares-are-killing-the-game/107427/49 "2019-12-04T11:27:00Z")
> [@SunnyTheWerewolf](#): > > > [@llPhantom\_Limbll](#): > > > > (Quote) > > Why would anyone do that? Going to forums to make another REEEEEE thread is easier. > > How do you shoot them down when fighting inside a cave in Iwo Jima, for example? > > I’d be fine with the flares if they’d only reveal enemies not under cover as in inside a building or a cave. I do always shoot them down, but it’s frustrating when you simply can’t do that, whereby, there’s no counter to the flare if you can’t get away from the spotting radius. > > I’ve been killed numerous times while trying to shoot down a flare just to see the bullets go through the flare’s hitbox. > > And I wish Dice could limit their use in squad conquest separate from some of the other modes… I don’t think your entire team is the cave at one time. I think situational awareness should be used. If a large cluster of enemies are in one spot the flare is a good tool. I myself use the flare to see if the ratio of hostiles are worth the trouble of capturing an objective. ---
**Author:** ![Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hawxxeye/32/101036_2.png) [@Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Hawxxeye)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2019, 12:00pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flares-are-killing-the-game/107427/50 "2019-12-04T12:00:00Z")
> [@Loqtrall](#): > > Flares don’t really change aspects of the game compared to the past at all. We’ve essentially had these spotting tools in these games for a decade now, and have had minimap spotting in some form well before that. What has changed with BFV compared to other frostbite titles is that DICE turned the Hardcore community into refuges who were forced out of their land and into the Normal/Core country. Now they are trying to normalize their Hardcore server values (that DICE already semi-implemented in BFV) on the rest of us so they can feel at home… ---
**Author:** ![GRAW2ROBZ](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/graw2robz/32/102113_2.png) [@GRAW2ROBZ](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/GRAW2ROBZ)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2019, 2:04pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flares-are-killing-the-game/107427/51 "2019-12-04T14:04:00Z")
I had a bug yesterday first time back from not playing since last week’s TOW. I was stuck with flare gun and couldn’t reload it or switch to rifle or pistol or gadget. It was on Rotterdam for XBOX1 conquest. I just ran into I think C flag and died. ---
**Author:** ![spartanx169x](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/dfb087/32.png) [@spartanx169x](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/spartanx169x)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flares-are-killing-the-game/107427/52 "2019-12-04T15:45:00Z")
If you don’t want to be seen in a battlefield game, then maybe , just maybe, you are playing the wrong game. Ghost Recon is the game you are looking for. As others have noted spotting by various devices have been in the series for a long time now. But I will also say that its a disservice not to have a Hardcore gametype for players that don’t want to be seen. But it appears that is way down on the list of priorities currently. ---
**Author:** ![wc138](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/wc138/32/104046_2.png) [@wc138](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/wc138)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2019, 7:53pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flares-are-killing-the-game/107427/53 "2019-12-04T19:53:00Z")
Spotting gadgets have been in every battlefield for as far back as I can remember. So have these complaint threads about how they’re overpowered. In the older games in the series, wasn’t the work-around for being spotted crouching and moving slow? Is that not an option now? I honestly don’t know, as I just returned to the game after a long hiatus, and a lot has changed. ---
**Author:** ![VRtroper](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/vrtroper/32/107294_2.png) [@VRtroper](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/VRtroper)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2019, 8:40pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flares-are-killing-the-game/107427/54 "2019-12-04T20:40:00Z")
> [@wc138](#): > > Spotting gadgets have been in every battlefield for as far back as I can remember. So have these complaint threads about how they’re overpowered. > > In the older games in the series, wasn’t the work-around for being spotted crouching and moving slow? Is that not an option now? I honestly don’t know, as I just returned to the game after a long hiatus, and a lot has changed. BF1942 NO ---
**Author:** ![normzzzzzy](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@normzzzzzy](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/normzzzzzy)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2019, 9:21pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flares-are-killing-the-game/107427/55 "2019-12-04T21:21:00Z")
> [@Hawxxeye](#): > > (Quote) > As Randy Marsh said, one has to be over the top in this era to be taken seriously. It saddens me cause I rather civilized discussion. Amen! _proceeds to put sack in the microwave in order to get noticed_ “Chicks love um” [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flares-are-killing-the-game/107427.md?page=2)