# Flying a helicopter got ridiculous. Potential fix. **URL:** \ **Category:** PC\ **Created:** [November 29, 2013, 9:11pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305 "2013-11-29T21:11:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![SovereignEagle](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/779978/32.png) [@SovereignEagle](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SovereignEagle)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 10:41am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/181 "2013-12-01T10:41:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Hork3r said:_ > The chopper is a glass cannon. If it gets hit it’s most likely to drop like a fly. > Stop crying because the bf3 version was like a flying tank. Way too easy to get kills with it. > [@](#): > > _SovereignEagle said:_ > Man there are so many people still reeling from the BF3 choppers. You people do realise that this is a different game and should be balanced properly regardless of what the previous game was like. ---
**Author:** ![DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/8797f3/32.png) [@DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DerFetteDetlef)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 10:46am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/182 "2013-12-01T10:46:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _SovereignEagle said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _Hork3r said:_ > > The chopper is a glass cannon. If it gets hit it’s most likely to drop like a fly. > > Stop crying because the bf3 version was like a flying tank. Way too easy to get kills with it. > > > [@](#): > > > > _SovereignEagle said:_ > > Man there are so many people still reeling from the BF3 choppers. You people do realise that this is a different game and should be balanced properly regardless of what the previous game was like. this +1 I don’t want the BF3 chopper back. If you feel some kind of urge to have your revenge on the heli pilots this is your chance now. But for the time being Dice should consider balancing out in favor of the infantry, armor, and aerial vehicles. ---
**Author:** ![donkijam](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/cab0a1/32.png) [@donkijam](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/donkijam)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 10:50am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/183 "2013-12-01T10:50:00Z")
If you have a AA squad or 2 that want to hold down air traffic u wont be happy in a chopper, but in games ppl dont care about them u can still go crazy i guess. What will AA ppl say if they can barely take down a chopper because of too much flares or other repairs… i think its almost good the way it is, the flipping sucks huge tho come on its a casual game ; ---
**Author:** ![SovereignEagle](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/779978/32.png) [@SovereignEagle](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SovereignEagle)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 10:56am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/184 "2013-12-01T10:56:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _donkijam said:_ > If you have a AA squad or 2 that want to hold down air traffic u wont be happy in a chopper, but in games ppl dont care about them u can still go crazy i guess. > > What will AA ppl say if they can barely take down a chopper because of too much flares or other repairs… > > i think its almost good the way it is, the flipping sucks huge tho come on its a casual game ; Honestly the only problem I have with the MAA is the Active Radar Missiles: the range and the massive hit they give you is frustrating. As for the stingers, it is the mobility hit that I find unbalanced. Apart from that the attack chopper itself needs a couple of buffs. The attack chopper is weaker than it should be more than the AA is too powerful. ---
**Author:** ![RivieraKid99](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@RivieraKid99](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/RivieraKid99)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 11:05am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/185 "2013-12-01T11:05:00Z")
so many cry babies in this thread. Yes, doing well in the attack chopper is hard but its NOT impossible. You need to be careful. Sit back at your base and wait for an opportunity, a tank that wanders too far on to your side of the map. Never take your chopper to their side. Wait for your team to destroy the AA. If the mobile AA is giving you hell, call out to your team to destroy it. All the criers want easy mode. I like a challenge otherwise its boring. I may not have a lot of time in a chopper but when I have used it I died because I suck, not because they are underpowered. You also have to remember in a clan match destroying the MAA is going to be a priority (just like in BF3) then a good attack chopper pilot can do his job, destroy vehicles. ---
**Author:** ![DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/8797f3/32.png) [@DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DerFetteDetlef)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 11:12am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/186 "2013-12-01T11:12:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _RivieraKid99 said:_ > so many cry babies in this thread. > > Yes, doing well in the attack chopper is hard but its NOT impossible. You need to be careful. Sit back at your base and wait for an opportunity, a tank that wanders too far on to your side of the map. Never take your chopper to their side. Wait for your team to destroy the AA. If the mobile AA is giving you hell, call out to your team to destroy it. > > All the criers want easy mode. I like a challenge otherwise its boring. > > I may not have a lot of time in a chopper but when I have used it I died because I suck, not because they are underpowered. > > You also have to remember in a clan match destroying the MAA is going to be a priority (just like in BF3) then a good attack chopper pilot can do his job, destroy vehicles. Why would you post something like that? OF COURSE it’s not impossible. Just read through the thread man, this is getting old. Nobody wants easy mode or to destroy the enemy. All we want is balance. Like stated earlier its almost impossible to destroy an AA that is camping in his own uncap (protected by the auto anti air). I’m no goddamn beginner in the chopper, I know my stuff, don’t tell me how to fly with your 2 unlocks for the chopper, seriously. (no offense here!) Like this I can’t even count this as a well-founded opinion. It’s just trash talk without any base whatsoever. If you read through this you knew that its not only the AA giving you hell as a chopper pilot, a random stinger out of nowhere can destroy you because flares have delayed activation time (hit x and 1 sec later it deploys), the netcode still sucks, and you just flip randomly if it hits you. Is this what you want !? ---
**Author:** ![NOMNOMNOMNOMNOMO](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/7bcc69/32.png) [@NOMNOMNOMNOMNOMO](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/NOMNOMNOMNOMNOMO)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 11:13am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/187 "2013-12-01T11:13:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _RivieraKid99 said:_ > so many cry babies in this thread. > > Yes, doing well in the attack chopper is hard but its NOT impossible. You need to be careful. Sit back at your base and wait for an opportunity, a tank that wanders too far on to your side of the map. Never take your chopper to their side. Wait for your team to destroy the AA. If the mobile AA is giving you hell, call out to your team to destroy it. > > All the criers want easy mode. I like a challenge otherwise its boring. > > I may not have a lot of time in a chopper but when I have used it I died because I suck, not because they are underpowered. > > You also have to remember in a clan match destroying the MAA is going to be a priority (just like in BF3) then a good attack chopper pilot can do his job, destroy vehicles. you are clueless, attack chopper is just a pile of junk. no skill on earth can change it. ---
**Author:** ![kylpykuula](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/a9a28c/32.png) [@kylpykuula](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/kylpykuula)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 11:15am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/188 "2013-12-01T11:15:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _LinkZeppeloyd said:_ > Lol, so you’re not going 100-0 anymore, so for you it’s not fun anymore. How sad. I mean, something can actually _kill_ you in a chopper now! The nerve! So true :D! ---
**Author:** ![DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/8797f3/32.png) [@DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DerFetteDetlef)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 11:19am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/189 "2013-12-01T11:19:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _kylpykuula said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _LinkZeppeloyd said:_ > > Lol, so you’re not going 100-0 anymore, so for you it’s not fun anymore. How sad. I mean, something can actually _kill_ you in a chopper now! The nerve! > > So true :D! Please read through this thread to build up a sophisticated opinion about this matter. If you read on you’d see the author of this post has changed his attitude and brought up educated posts which in the end added to this thread in terms of informational material. He also regreted being that harsh posting such dull comments. ---
**Author:** ![RivieraKid99](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@RivieraKid99](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/RivieraKid99)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 12:37pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/190 "2013-12-01T12:37:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _DerFetteDetlef said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _RivieraKid99 said:_ > > so many cry babies in this thread. > > > > Yes, doing well in the attack chopper is hard but its NOT impossible. You need to be careful. Sit back at your base and wait for an opportunity, a tank that wanders too far on to your side of the map. Never take your chopper to their side. Wait for your team to destroy the AA. If the mobile AA is giving you hell, call out to your team to destroy it. > > > > All the criers want easy mode. I like a challenge otherwise its boring. > > > > I may not have a lot of time in a chopper but when I have used it I died because I suck, not because they are underpowered. > > > > You also have to remember in a clan match destroying the MAA is going to be a priority (just like in BF3) then a good attack chopper pilot can do his job, destroy vehicles. > > Why would you post something like that? OF COURSE it’s not impossible. Just read through the thread man, this is getting old. Nobody wants easy mode or to destroy the enemy. All we want is balance. Like stated earlier its almost impossible to destroy an AA that is camping in his own uncap (protected by the auto anti air). I’m no goddamn beginner in the chopper, I know my stuff, don’t tell me how to fly with your 2 unlocks for the chopper, seriously. (no offense here!) Like this I can’t even count this as a well-founded opinion. It’s just trash talk without any base whatsoever. > If you read through this you knew that its not only the AA giving you hell as a chopper pilot, a random stinger out of nowhere can destroy you because flares have delayed activation time (hit x and 1 sec later it deploys), the netcode still sucks, and you just flip randomly if it hits you. Is this what you want !? you found it easy in bf3, you thought that was skill. I did lots of that in BF3 as well, it was boring as hell, too easy, it wasn’t skill. Now its hard and you realize that your not much of a pilot, that hurt your ego so it must be a balance issue. I rock a dmr 90% of the time, everyone else cries that they are underpowered too. I’ve learnt to use them effectively and the same will apply to the chopper when I get around to it. ---
**Author:** ![DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/8797f3/32.png) [@DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DerFetteDetlef)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 1:08pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/191 "2013-12-01T13:08:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _RivieraKid99 said:_ > you found it easy in bf3, you thought that was skill. I did lots of that in BF3 as well, it was boring as hell, too easy, it wasn’t skill. > > Now its hard and you realize that your not much of a pilot, that hurt your ego so it must be a balance issue. > > I rock a dmr 90% of the time, everyone else cries that they are underpowered too. I’ve learnt to use them effectively and the same will apply to the chopper when I get around to it. I didn’t find it easy in BF3, you still needed to know your stuff to be able to go on a tare. You havn’t even unlocked TV missle in BF3, so I doubt you can form a well-founded opinion about that. Just trust me with all my expierience that I am no bad chopper pilot and I know what I’m doing up there. I played competitively a lot in a clan as the “eye in the sky”. This doesn’t have anything to do with my ego, don’t try to get personal here please I just used the heli and use it a lot so I know what it’s all about atm. I also know that DMR’s are too weak, which doesnt mean you cannot go on a tare with them. ( > **[Marksman Rifle - 20,000 Score Per Minute - Battlefield 4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhwV1batMKE%29)** > > Today I earn a 20,000 Score Per Minute while using a DMR from Battlefield 4. The designated marksman rifles can be challenging, but also a lot of fun to use... [[youtube.com](http://youtube.com)] Weapon balance in between infantry combat however is a totally different matter, why would you even mix that up, not even a slight chance to compare that. What you describe is infantry vs infantry, I mainly describe chopper vs infantry/aa. ---
**Author:** ![KuBr0](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/85f322/32.png) [@KuBr0](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/KuBr0)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 1:25pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/192 "2013-12-01T13:25:00Z")
BUMP !!! nice one OP, I hope you get an exclusive battlepack for this feedback, all of what you wrote is true and I couldn’t agree more, good job, pls DICE, redesign the heli experience 😕 ---
**Author:** ![DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/8797f3/32.png) [@DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DerFetteDetlef)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 1:34pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/193 "2013-12-01T13:34:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _KuBr0 said:_ > BUMP !!! nice one OP, I hope you get an exclusive battlepack for this feedback, all of what you wrote is true and I couldn’t agree more, good job, pls DICE, redesign the heli experience 😕 Lol, tbh I don’t give a f\*\*\* about those useless battlepacks. I much more appreciate the approval from people like you. But if it helps to make dice devs see it then it definitely should get in this Top week threads sticky. ---
**Author:** ![RivieraKid99](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@RivieraKid99](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/RivieraKid99)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 1:37pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/194 "2013-12-01T13:37:00Z")
I just did a quick run. The map was dominated by enemy AA and jets. I blew up 2 jets and 1 tank, it was tricky. I died on my tank run because I was being too aggressive, I went too low, when my I blew up the tank my game stuttered briefly and I hit the ground. I probably would have died no matter what but it was definitely my fault and nothing to do with balance. I played a defensive strategy. BF3 choppers were easy, I thought it was easy. Get locked, press x, fly behind mountain, repeat. Then there are the people who hover out of AA range and let the gunner rack up kills. As long as you have a decent jet team you were invincible. DICE, a lot of people liked choppers in bf3 because it was easy and they thought they had mad skillz, now you’ve taken that away there are a lot of people who are unhappy. These people should be ignored. ---
**Author:** ![TimmiWanted1243](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/f0a364/32.png) [@TimmiWanted1243](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TimmiWanted1243)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 1:58pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/195 "2013-12-01T13:58:00Z")
I agree, also applies for Scout Helicopters. Bump. ---
**Author:** ![DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/8797f3/32.png) [@DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DerFetteDetlef)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 2:01pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/196 "2013-12-01T14:01:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _RivieraKid99 said:_ > I just did a quick run. The map was dominated by enemy AA and jets. > > I blew up 2 jets and 1 tank, it was tricky. I died on my tank run because I was being too aggressive, I went too low, when my I blew up the tank my game stuttered briefly and I hit the ground. I probably would have died no matter what but it was definitely my fault and nothing to do with balance. > > I played a defensive strategy. > > BF3 choppers were easy, I thought it was easy. Get locked, press x, fly behind mountain, repeat. Then there are the people who hover out of AA range and let the gunner rack up kills. As long as you have a decent jet team you were invincible. > > DICE, a lot of people liked choppers in bf3 because it was easy and they thought they had mad skillz, now you’ve taken that away there are a lot of people who are unhappy. These people should be ignored. Dude you flew 1, seriously 1 single round and you think you’re the person to judge about helis? Sorry mate but that’s just plain dimwitted, I can’t help to say it differently. Spend at least some hours in the heli and most imporantly play with a team mate via skype/TS as a team and you’ll just see what im talking about. Why don’t you just believe somebody who plays as Infantry and heli a whole LOT? Also im only talking about the heli, not aobut a whole squad with 2 jet pilots behind your tail. You’re just brining up stuff completely not concerning the issues I delivered in this thread. I adivse you to read the OP again. ---
**Author:** ![Wash\_Your\_Fruits](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/3be4f8/32.png) [@Wash\_Your\_Fruits](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Wash_Your_Fruits)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 2:15pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/197 "2013-12-01T14:15:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _B8B8B8B8BB888 said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _DerFetteDetlef said:_ > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _B8B8B8B8BB888 said:_ > > > You can thank the scout choppers with 2 x repair engineers for all the added anti-air in BF4 (Mobile AA, better infantry lock on missles, etc.). It seems DICE beefed up anti-air to deal with them which completely screwed the Attack Chopper. I’m probably wrong but just an observation of mine so far. > > > > Good point there. I agree. Scout > Attack chopper. Maybe Nerf the amount of health engineers can bring back to the scout and at the same time nerf the infantry lock on, mobile AA etc. That may also be a solution. As you see there are many ways of approaching this matter. > > Yeah the effectiveness of a Scout w/ 2 x repair is off the charts. I was playing Zavod against a pretty beast Scout chopper crew. Our Mobile AA was chasing infantry as usual so I switched to Stingers (which I hate doing). I got 5 hits with those stingers and so did others in a short amount of time and the Scout just continued like nothing happened. > > DICE would have to deal with the Scouts before they nerfed the Mobile AA or any other negative flight feature. It just sucks because the Attack Chopper gets left in the dust unfortunately. On Attack Chopper they could use a bit of balancing. So could the lil bird and z-11. I was in a MAA with 25mm cannon ARM just pounding the hell out of a lil bird one round and could not take it down all round. And no it was not smart flying, I was lighting that thing up with all I had some time with the z-11 helping me, and it just could not be taken down. EDIT: also to those who say it took skill in BF3 lol yea shoooore did.. https://www.youtube.com/embed/BA-INbDsd_o?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque [[youtube.com](http://youtube.com)] ---
**Author:** ![G-Gnu](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/g-gnu/32/102029_2.png) [@G-Gnu](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/G-Gnu)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 2:26pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/198 "2013-12-01T14:26:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _kylpykuula said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _LinkZeppeloyd said:_ > > Lol, so you’re not going 100-0 anymore, so for you it’s not fun anymore. How sad. I mean, something can actually _kill_ you in a chopper now! The nerve! > > So true :D! This is still an idiotic statment, if you go100-0 in a AH then the other team is not doing or using things right. AH in BF3 wasnt to OP, not after all Nerfing (i think the AH got somekind of nerf with every client side patch that came out for that game). You could go 100-0 in a TANK in BF3 , Jet too, but in doing so you need to know what to do and how to handle the vehicle, hence SKILL. In BF4 every one can easily get a pice of the AH , because of lock on´s/ guided for both Infantry and Vehicles and the nerfed AH speed makes it a sitting duck from shells. ---
**Author:** ![M4aC](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/3e96dc/32.png) [@M4aC](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/M4aC)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 2:32pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/199 "2013-12-01T14:32:00Z")
The attack choppers need a couple of buffs that’s clear to everyone who knows the difference between bf3 and bf4. Beginning from bad company 2, Dice keeps on decreasing its usefulness. There are a lot of issues as other people have mentioned in this thread, the worst one for me is the upside down turnaround when the heli gets hit by rockets. The little bird does not receive this effect either, nor do any of the other air vehicles in the game and that is unfair. I find it strange though that nobody seems to think the littlebird is overpowered? Especially now with the double engineers sitting in the back fixing it all the time, a little bird can deal far more damage and is also far more useful than the attack helicopter. ---
**Author:** ![DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/8797f3/32.png) [@DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DerFetteDetlef)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 2:32pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/200 "2013-12-01T14:32:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Wash\_Your\_Fruits said:_ > EDIT: also to those who say it took skill in BF3 lol yea shoooore did.. > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA-INbDsd\_o](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA-INbDsd_o) > > [[youtube.com](http://youtube.com)] Wow this example… just wow.. His team capped the enemy jet + AA spawn. Try that on Kharg island/Caspian border whatever. The enemy team just got streamrolled anyways cause it just sucks at this point. That’s just what the heli does (although the recoil is too low in BF3 and the damage of the gunner too high.) I don’t even see anything wrong about this, It’s a map issue that the enemy team doesnt have a uncap base to spawn jets + AA. [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305.md?page=9) [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305.md?page=11)