# Flying a helicopter got ridiculous. Potential fix. **URL:** \ **Category:** PC\ **Created:** [November 29, 2013, 9:11pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305 "2013-11-29T21:11:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/8797f3/32.png) [@DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DerFetteDetlef)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 9:51pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/261 "2013-12-01T21:51:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _PaulMezick said:_ > The attack chopper has no role in this game. You’ll help your team more being on foot compared to being an AH. There is something seriously wrong with it. Even at taking out other aerial threats you’re better of playing as an engineer firing your ridiculous amount of stingers. ---
**Author:** ![MisterPomfrey](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@MisterPomfrey](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MisterPomfrey)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 9:52pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/262 "2013-12-01T21:52:00Z")
Maybe you didn’t watch the video. The guy there didn’t want to play smart, that was one of the reason he didn’t like AH, he wants to play aggressive, but not smart. And all that while hiting buildings with a helicopter, which in this case was a little bird… without repair crew. That’s actually a good video to ignore complains like in this thread and proves that those who want casual gameplay are actually the pilots. ---
**Author:** ![PaulMezick](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/58956e/32.png) [@PaulMezick](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/PaulMezick)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 10:00pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/263 "2013-12-01T22:00:00Z")
You can’t play the AH smart. No matter what you do, unless you sit way away from any of the combat, you will be shot down. If you’re sitting way away from combat you are not helping your team at all. It is a completely broken vehicle at the moment. Its simple math. The flare reload time is much much longer than lock on time. Because of the abundance of AA, there is nothing you can do once you have flared. We can thank the inflight repair of the littlebird for the abundance of AA. The results are we either have a useless attack chopper and godlike littlebird, or a beastly AH (bf3), and mediocre littlebird. ---
**Author:** ![RE1IK](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/3bc359/32.png) [@RE1IK](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/RE1IK)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 10:06pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/264 "2013-12-01T22:06:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _DerFetteDetlef said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _PaulMezick said:_ > > The attack chopper has no role in this game. You’ll help your team more being on foot compared to being an AH. There is something seriously wrong with it. > > Even at taking out other aerial threats you’re better of playing as an engineer firing your ridiculous amount of stingers. Can’t help but agree there. I can’t count how many times I saw our team losing flags and decided to fun on foot and start holding flags. Even behind 200 tickets and still win. I won’t say I single-handedly changed the game but once you cap a few, others will follow suit. > [@](#): > > _MisterPomfrey said:_ > Maybe you didn’t watch the video. The guy there didn’t want to play smart, that was one of the reason he didn’t like AH, he wants to play aggressive, but not smart. > > And all that while hiting buildings with a helicopter, which in this case was a little bird… without repair crew. > > That’s actually a good video to ignore complains like in this thread and proves that those who want casual gameplay are actually the pilots. I am trying to understand your argument on this one. As I mentioned before, if a person really wants to fly, or master any vehicle for that matter, they first must learn all their weaknesses and strengths. Simply put, if you want to be the best tank driver you need to learn how to fly the heli. Because of that, I know how to avoid or destroy them. To be a better heli pilot I spent some more hours in the attack jet. I know how to avoid em but can’t destroy them. Avoiding them puts me into reach of stingers. It’s a no-win situation. What I am getting at is had you spent more time with the AH you would know things like the AH has more armor than the scout but as you saw in the video it could bang buildings with no damage. If you so much as touch a building with the AH…BOOM your dead (if not disabled). This absolutely makes no sense. How is it that an armored chopper can’t touch anything. 2 rhib boats against 1 AH and 1 scout…all vehicles in one test environment. Full unload of the mini-gun…guess who blows up faster??? ---
**Author:** ![MisterPomfrey](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@MisterPomfrey](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MisterPomfrey)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 10:08pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/265 "2013-12-01T22:08:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _PaulMezick said:_ > You can’t play the AH smart. No matter what you do, unless you sit way away from any of the combat, you will be shot down. If you’re sitting way away from combat you are not helping your team at all. It is a completely broken vehicle at the moment. > > Its simple math. The flare reload time is much much longer than lock on time. Because of the abundance of AA, there is nothing you can do once you have flared. We can thank the inflight repair of the littlebird for the abundance of AA. The results are we either have a useless attack chopper and godlike littlebird, or a beastly AH (bf3), and mediocre littlebird. True, but than you say that, not that you don’t want to play smart and you don’t use a video in which some “pro player” says that as the holly prove something is wrong. ---
**Author:** ![DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/8797f3/32.png) [@DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DerFetteDetlef)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 10:09pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/266 "2013-12-01T22:09:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _MisterPomfrey said:_ > Maybe you didn’t watch the video. The guy there didn’t want to play smart, that was one of the reason he didn’t like AH, he wants to play aggressive, but not smart. > > And all that while hiting buildings with a helicopter, which in this case was a little bird… without repair crew. > > That’s actually a good video to ignore complains like in this thread and proves that those who want casual gameplay are actually the pilots. Did you even listen to all the other stuff he said? This also applies to you if you play very very passively. I don’t want this to be casual. Flying a heli should be difficult, but rewarding if you know what you’re doing. Even if you camp your heli-ass in your own base shooting TV missles etc. you will get shot down quickly, also like he says its not enjoyable. That has nothing to do with playing smart. Playing smart = playing aggressivly, yet avoiding incoming lockon weapons WITHOUT using countermeasures, just dodging them with your flight skill - but thats impossible atm. You should at least be able to do one quick run from one cover to another, but thats not the case, as soon as you leave cover you’re dead, countermeasures are useless atm. Btw: This is not about the little bird gameplay, I don’t even care about that. And dont compare me with some random guy on youtube. He obviously is a casual gamer, I’m not. ---
**Author:** ![Sarg\_Scorpio](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/e495f1/32.png) [@Sarg\_Scorpio](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Sarg_Scorpio)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 10:14pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/267 "2013-12-01T22:14:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _DerFetteDetlef said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _MisterPomfrey said:_ > > Maybe you didn’t watch the video. The guy there didn’t want to play smart, that was one of the reason he didn’t like AH, he wants to play aggressive, but not smart. > > > > And all that while hiting buildings with a helicopter, which in this case was a little bird… without repair crew. > > > > That’s actually a good video to ignore complains like in this thread and proves that those who want casual gameplay are actually the pilots. > > Did you even listen to all the other stuff he said? This also applies to you if you play very very passively. I don’t want this to be casual. Flying a heli should be difficult, but rewarding if you know what you’re doing. Even if your camp your heli ass in your own base shooting TV missles etc. you will get shot down quickly, also like he says its not enjoyable. > > You should at least be able to do one quick run from one cover to another, but thats not the case, as soon as you leave cover you’re dead, countermeasures are useless atm. > > Btw: This is not about the little bird gameplay, I don’t even care about that. And dont compare me with some random guy on youtube. He obviously is a casual gamer, I’m not. haha your awesome DerFetteDetlef 😃 keep it up man 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![PaulMezick](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/58956e/32.png) [@PaulMezick](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/PaulMezick)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 10:14pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/268 "2013-12-01T22:14:00Z")
I can’t believe there are people arguing that the AH is fine as is. You know there is a problem with it when people don’t instantly spawn on it. Its seriously the last vehicle that any decent BF4 player should be looking to drive/pilot. You are doing your team a disservice by using it. ---
**Author:** ![lucidstorm](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/lucidstorm/32/102687_2.png) [@lucidstorm](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/lucidstorm)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 10:15pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/269 "2013-12-01T22:15:00Z")
there is not fix for chopper, it sucks (everything, including controls) and it’s impossible to save it. Just let it die in hell. ---
**Author:** ![DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/8797f3/32.png) [@DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DerFetteDetlef)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 10:16pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/270 "2013-12-01T22:16:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Lucidstorm said:_ > there is not fix for chopper, it sucks (everything, including controls) and it’s impossible to save it. Just let it die in hell. Wrong. I listed 7 possible suggestions to balance things out. + You need to make it more agile and faster. I’ll add that in the OP ---
**Author:** ![Sarg\_Scorpio](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/e495f1/32.png) [@Sarg\_Scorpio](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Sarg_Scorpio)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 10:16pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/271 "2013-12-01T22:16:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _PaulMezick said:_ > I can’t believe there are people arguing that the AH is fine as is. You know there is a problem with it when people don’t instantly spawn on it. Its seriously the last vehicle that any decent BF4 player should be looking to drive/pilot. You are doing your team a disservice by using it. to be honest i like that no one spawns in it right now 🙂 lets me use it … even tho it sucks still got 400 kills so far and my gunner is up to 650 😃 what would be cool tho is a Pilot and Gunner join option.. So when you join it joins you with your gunner. instead of some pub who sucks lol… But should only happen the pilot joins first then his gunner gets put in too as long as hes ready to deploy. ---
**Author:** ![MisterPomfrey](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@MisterPomfrey](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MisterPomfrey)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 10:17pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/272 "2013-12-01T22:17:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _DerFetteDetlef said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _Re1iK said:_ > > Ok…finally a pro-gamer comes right out and says it! Thanks goes to Munchies! > > > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bRYUPflDPg](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bRYUPflDPg) > > > > [[youtube.com](http://youtube.com)] > > Every help is appreciated making this issue more glaring. Maybe take a look at this quotes. Oh a pro player made the issue more glaring by saying he doesn’t want to play smart. And no, I don’t play passive. I’m usually always attacking the points closest to the enemy spawn. You shouldn’t try to combat me, because I agree with you. My arguments are for people like the one above me. “This is now for casual”, “this is COD” cause they don’t want to think when they play. Vehicles is not the only difference between BF and COD, but people are ignorant and actually hurt their valid arguments by using that stupid “meme” and using it they prove they are vehicle whores and should be just ignored. ---
**Author:** ![HwanZike](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/e480ec/32.png) [@HwanZike](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/HwanZike)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 10:20pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/273 "2013-12-01T22:20:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _MisterPomfrey said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _DerFetteDetlef said:_ > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _Re1iK said:_ > > > Ok…finally a pro-gamer comes right out and says it! Thanks goes to Munchies! > > > > > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bRYUPflDPg](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bRYUPflDPg) > > > > > > [[youtube.com](http://youtube.com)] > > > > Every help is appreciated making this issue more glaring. > > Maybe take a look at this quotes. Oh a pro player made the issue more glaring by saying he doesn’t want to play smart. > > And no, I don’t play passive. I’m usually always attacking the points closest to the enemy spawn. > > You shouldn’t try to combat me, because I agree with you. My arguments are for people like the one above me. "This is now for casual", "this is COD" cause they don’t want to think when they play. > > Vehicles is not the only difference between BF and COD, but people are ignorant and actually hurt their valid arguments by using that stupid "meme" and using it they prove they are vehicle whores and should be just ignored. So if the only way to play with a vehicle is defensively, reducing its effectiveness and making it boring for most people.. that’s not UP? It’s an attack helicopter not a defense helicopter. Good luck using it as one. ---
**Author:** ![DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/8797f3/32.png) [@DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DerFetteDetlef)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 10:21pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/274 "2013-12-01T22:21:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _MisterPomfrey said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _DerFetteDetlef said:_ > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _Re1iK said:_ > > > Ok…finally a pro-gamer comes right out and says it! Thanks goes to Munchies! > > > > > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bRYUPflDPg](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bRYUPflDPg) > > > > > > [[youtube.com](http://youtube.com)] > > > > Every help is appreciated making this issue more glaring. > > Maybe take a look at this quotes. Oh a pro player made the issue more glaring by saying he doesn’t want to play smart. > > And no, I don’t play passive. I’m usually always attacking the points closest to the enemy spawn. > > You shouldn’t try to combat me, because I agree with you. My arguments are for people like the one above me. "This is now for casual", "this is COD" cause they don’t want to think when they play. > > Vehicles is not the only difference between BF and COD, but people are ignorant and actually hurt their valid arguments by using that stupid "meme" and using it they prove they are vehicle whores and should be just ignored. I didn’t say I’d agree he is a pro-player. Didn’t want to defame a youtuber this guy obviously likes. But he is a casual player. Sorry you’re feeling attacked, I’m just trying to clearify my position without actually insulting anybody like I would’ve done saying this person isn’t a Pro, but now you forced me to do so. ---
**Author:** ![RE1IK](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/3bc359/32.png) [@RE1IK](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/RE1IK)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 10:23pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/275 "2013-12-01T22:23:00Z")
EDITED: Nevermind the video now…everybody had a comment on the “causual player” before I could comment. As mentioned above…it’s an attack heli which it is incapable of right now! ---
**Author:** ![ABCStudios](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/6bbea6/32.png) [@ABCStudios](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ABCStudios)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 10:26pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/276 "2013-12-01T22:26:00Z")
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**Author:** ![lucidstorm](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/lucidstorm/32/102687_2.png) [@lucidstorm](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/lucidstorm)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 10:27pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/277 "2013-12-01T22:27:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _DerFetteDetlef said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _Lucidstorm said:_ > > there is not fix for chopper, it sucks (everything, including controls) and it’s impossible to save it. Just let it die in hell. > > Wrong. I listed 7 possible suggestions to balance things out. + You need to make it more agile and faster. I’ll add that in the OP Even if u make it more agile and fast the flying experience is too arcade, is a baloon on a rope, impossible to crash make it so it can flip over or that u can loose controls if doing too harsh maneuvres, like this makes no challenge at all !! for noobs only remember old havoc in bf3? that was great heli exp. ---
**Author:** ![risingevil381](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/71c47a/32.png) [@risingevil381](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/risingevil381)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 10:28pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/278 "2013-12-01T22:28:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _LinkZeppeloyd said:_ > Lol, so you’re not going 100-0 anymore, so for you it’s not fun anymore. How sad. I mean, something can actually _kill_ you in a chopper now! The nerve! Pilots weren’t doing that in BF3. I honestly feel that from BF3 end to BF4 launch they may have over nerfed the choppers and choppers may need a slight buff. Maybe a slight increase in how fast the flare/ecm recharge. Then make it slightly easier to recover from being flipped or remove the flip mechanic completely … ---
**Author:** ![ZephyrOpressor](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/z/c6cbf5/32.png) [@ZephyrOpressor](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ZephyrOpressor)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 10:29pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/279 "2013-12-01T22:29:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _DataBF3 said:_ > cod game with vehicles, and your all crying how At least COD doesn’t crash and have countless bugs and bad game mechanics as far as the eye can see. ---
**Author:** ![Wash\_Your\_Fruits](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/3be4f8/32.png) [@Wash\_Your\_Fruits](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Wash_Your_Fruits)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 10:32pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/280 "2013-12-01T22:32:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _RivieraKid99 said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _MisterPomfrey said:_ > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _Re1iK said:_ > > > Ok…finally a pro-gamer comes right out and says it! Thanks goes to Munchies! > > > > > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bRYUPflDPg](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bRYUPflDPg) > > > > > > [[youtube.com](http://youtube.com)] > > > > Did you really tried to prove a point with that video? He wants to play aggressive, he doesn’t want to play smart, like in League of Legends. And he said all that while he was crashing his little bird into things without being KIA the instant he did it (why I don’t see anything about that in "balance discussion"?). > > > > So if you agree with him you don’t want to play smart either. Which means people that say you want OP helicopters like in BF3 are right. > > > > And all this while you agree wit people that say "OMG they made this game for casuals". Well guess what, helicopters in real life are fragile, they don’t "play aggressive" before the sky is clear. So you complain that playing in helicopters is not as casual as you would like, now you have to think. > > agree. It is not BF3. The AH is a different type of weapon and you all need to relearn it. You cant take what you know from BF3 and apply it to BF4 so it doesn’t matter how skilled you were in bf3, this is BF4. He also said, in bfe you can just go around owning noobs. This guy is a bad light to try to shine on your point. He want an op killing machine. He says is. I do think the attack heli needs some balance. but this guy only wants to rape and does not care about balance. Cuz a heli that can be taken down my be fun for 2 guys, but ruins the game for many more. [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305.md?page=13) [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305.md?page=15)