# Flying a helicopter got ridiculous. Potential fix. **URL:** \ **Category:** PC\ **Created:** [November 29, 2013, 9:11pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305 "2013-11-29T21:11:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/8797f3/32.png) [@DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DerFetteDetlef)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 10:36pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/281 "2013-12-01T22:36:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Lucidstorm said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _DerFetteDetlef said:_ > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _Lucidstorm said:_ > > > there is not fix for chopper, it sucks (everything, including controls) and it’s impossible to save it. Just let it die in hell. > > > > Wrong. I listed 7 possible suggestions to balance things out. + You need to make it more agile and faster. I’ll add that in the OP > > Even if u make it more agile and fast the flying experience is too arcade, is a baloon on a rope, impossible to crash > > make it so it can flip over or that u can loose controls if doing too harsh maneuvres, like this makes no challenge at all !! for noobs only > > remember old havoc in bf3? that was great heli exp. True dat about the baloon on the rope. I’d also like it to crash if doing too harsh maneuvres, cause that would be skill based again. However it could be much worse (BF2). So as of right now, more agility and speed would be a start I’d say, along with the other tweaks. ---
**Author:** ![RE1IK](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/3bc359/32.png) [@RE1IK](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/RE1IK)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 10:37pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/282 "2013-12-01T22:37:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Sarg\_Scorpio said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _PaulMezick said:_ > > I can’t believe there are people arguing that the AH is fine as is. You know there is a problem with it when people don’t instantly spawn on it. Its seriously the last vehicle that any decent BF4 player should be looking to drive/pilot. You are doing your team a disservice by using it. > > to be honest i like that no one spawns in it right now 🙂 lets me use it … even tho it sucks still got 400 kills so far and my gunner is up to 650 😃 > what would be cool tho is a Pilot and Gunner join option.. So when you join it joins you with your gunner. instead of some pub who sucks lol… But should only happen the pilot joins first then his gunner gets put in too as long as hes ready to deploy. Not to derail OP’s thread but yea this is a huge problem. CLEARLY it’s obvious that the AH needs teamwork and the instant spawn in on it makes it completely counterproductive. EVERY vehicle needs that option removed except transport vehicles (i.e Transport chopper & Amtrac.) Why must every blueberry spawn on my attack boat and make a runway straight to my boat for the jet is beyond me!!! After numerous times of getting in the AH and another noob gets in it (keeping my gunner out) and doesn’t respond to the chat window…I’m killing us both. Yea it’s a douchebag move but you’re gonna die anyways. Rather die from that than some stinger/MAA noob lol. ---
**Author:** ![Wash\_Your\_Fruits](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/3be4f8/32.png) [@Wash\_Your\_Fruits](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Wash_Your_Fruits)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 10:39pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/283 "2013-12-01T22:39:00Z")
I think the best blanceing they could do for all air is Make them stronger harder to kill. Shorten IRF times Buff the guns But take away 3d spotting. I really think that 3d spotting is the only thing that made air op in bf3. ---
**Author:** ![DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/8797f3/32.png) [@DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DerFetteDetlef)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 10:58pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/284 "2013-12-01T22:58:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Wash\_Your\_Fruits said:_ > I think the best blanceing they could do for all air is > Make them stronger harder to kill. > Shorten IRF times > Buff the guns > But take away 3d spotting. > I really think that 3d spotting is the only thing that made air op in bf3. It’s impossible to remove 3d spotting, you are , in general, right with many points, but you should suggest things that actually might be achievable. Btw the guns should be nerfed against tanks, and just buffed against other aerial vehicles, that’d balance things out for that matter. ---
**Author:** ![Wash\_Your\_Fruits](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/3be4f8/32.png) [@Wash\_Your\_Fruits](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Wash_Your_Fruits)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 11:00pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/285 "2013-12-01T23:00:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _DerFetteDetlef said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _Wash\_Your\_Fruits said:_ > > I think the best blanceing they could do for all air is > > Make them stronger harder to kill. > > Shorten IRF times > > Buff the guns > > But take away 3d spotting. > > I really think that 3d spotting is the only thing that made air op in bf3. > > It’s impossible to remove 3d spotting, you are , in general, right with many points, but you should suggest things that actually might be achievable. > Btw the guns should be nerfed against tanks, and just buffed against other aerial vehicles, that’d balance things out for that matter. Why would it be impossible? ---
**Author:** ![DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/8797f3/32.png) [@DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DerFetteDetlef)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 11:16pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/286 "2013-12-01T23:16:00Z")
The whole game, even singleplayer is based on this spotting mechanic, it would not only affect Air combat. You cannot just remove something that fundamental from a game. However casual gamers like this spotting mechanic, it makes things easier. And atm this game IS SUPPOSED to be working well for beginners or casual gamers. (apart from all the other issues) ---
**Author:** ![RE1IK](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/3bc359/32.png) [@RE1IK](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/RE1IK)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2013, 1:26am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/287 "2013-12-02T01:26:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Wash\_Your\_Fruits said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _DerFetteDetlef said:_ > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _Wash\_Your\_Fruits said:_ > > > I think the best blanceing they could do for all air is > > > Make them stronger harder to kill. > > > Shorten IRF times > > > Buff the guns > > > But take away 3d spotting. > > > I really think that 3d spotting is the only thing that made air op in bf3. > > > > It’s impossible to remove 3d spotting, you are , in general, right with many points, but you should suggest things that actually might be achievable. > > Btw the guns should be nerfed against tanks, and just buffed against other aerial vehicles, that’d balance things out for that matter. > > Why would it be impossible? As DerFetteDetlef explains it…that’s one reason. The other problem to that is teammates spotting for you. DICE could remove it but pro pilots would make sure to have a buddy spot for them. Also, with commanders spamming UAVs, that idea is out the window. Just in case it’s asked…NO you can remove the ability for pilots to “see” the spotted enemies. I really don’t see the big deal in buffing the AH back. So many people are dead against it. It’s discrimination if you ask me. So the AH is nerfed atm…guess what? Now noobs get owned by boats and attack jets. You’re always going to get owned by someone or something in this game. That’s just the way it is. Hey DerFetteDetleft, at this point I would trade RPG lock-ons (with their OHK) from the beta if it meant everyone giving up infy lock-ons. At least then I was killed with teamwork versus a camping stinger noob on his buddy’s ammo crate lol. DICE advertised teamwork more in BF4 with these changes. If that’s the case, I sure can’t tell with the buff on stingers and their reload times lol. What you think? ---
**Author:** ![FPSTrollywood](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/278dde/32.png) [@FPSTrollywood](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/FPSTrollywood)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2013, 5:32am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/288 "2013-12-02T05:32:00Z")
A relatively thorough review of the characteristics and tactics involved in successfully flying the Attack Helicopter in Battlefield 4. https://www.youtube.com/embed/wULPniPm7MM?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque [youtu.be] Preferred setup: Pilot - Heatseekers - Hydra Rockets - Gyroscopic Stabilizer - ECM Jammer (despite its problems) Gunner - Proximity Scan - Gunner Zoom Optics ---
**Author:** ![DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/8797f3/32.png) [@DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DerFetteDetlef)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2013, 8:18am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/289 "2013-12-02T08:18:00Z")
Guys, I won’t have access to internet over the next 2 weeks or so, please ensure you keep this thread going and keep this topic alive if you care about it. Cheers. ---
**Author:** ![dunski13](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@dunski13](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/dunski13)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2013, 8:28am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/290 "2013-12-02T08:28:00Z")
You want to buff the choppers? I don’t care, dosent really change how I play. Not big into flying them anyway. But I have to say this… You make them stronger then you need to remove the engineer repairing while flying. You cant kill those choppers. Two repair guys \> 99% of incoming damage. You need about 3-4 people with stingers firing at the same time to kill it then. Fix that, and I am with you. Tank repair is fine because they have to exit the vehicle becoming vulnerable. Why is it different with choppers? I dont know, just a thought… ---
**Author:** ![KamyKei](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/59ef9b/32.png) [@KamyKei](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/KamyKei)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2013, 10:31am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/291 "2013-12-02T10:31:00Z")
bump!!! ---
**Author:** ![EpicMM](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/a183cd/32.png) [@EpicMM](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/EpicMM)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2013, 10:44am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/292 "2013-12-02T10:44:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _dunski13 said:_ > You want to buff the choppers? I don’t care, dosent really change how I play. Not big into flying them anyway. But I have to say this… You make them stronger then you need to remove the engineer repairing while flying. You cant kill those choppers. Two repair guys \> 99% of incoming damage. You need about 3-4 people with stingers firing at the same time to kill it then. > > Fix that, and I am with you. Tank repair is fine because they have to exit the vehicle becoming vulnerable. Why is it different with choppers? I dont know, just a thought… its called teamwork=dead heli’s ---
**Author:** ![Mynx1911](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mynx1911](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Mynx1911)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2013, 10:53am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/293 "2013-12-02T10:53:00Z")
Agreed to most OP points, except less damage on tanks. I’d agree only to that if the chopper gains more ammo in trade for less damage. ---
**Author:** ![SilverRook](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SilverRook](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SilverRook)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2013, 12:40pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/294 "2013-12-02T12:40:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _DerFetteDetlef said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _BatmanOfIndia said:_ > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _SilverRook said:_ > > > dear OP stop flying your helicopter so freaking high making you a sitting duck for these things. > > > > > > you serve no purpose being that high only to shoot other helos and jets … which is stupid. > > > > > > hug the terrain where possible, use the buildings for cover. > > > > > > i have no problems flying attack helos. > > > > > > i have a problem with gunners or pilots(when i’m gunning) pilots wont pause to let me lock on with laser guided or cannon. they insist on swooping attacks with their rockets completely forgetting they have a gunner onboard we cant hit shit when you fly like that. > > > > > > maintain distance between you and your target - let your gunner do most of the work and pick off the tanks with zuni rockets. > > > switch to heatseekers when you need to fight off other helos etc … > > > > > > but dont try and take on jets. > > > > > > top tip if you keep getting rammed too or your dogfighting and the enemy helo insists on getting his cockpit glass to merge with your own… > > > > > > before you take off strap some slam mines to you chopper then next time you get rammed you just get YOU WERE KILLED… but you also get the kill as they ram into you. > > > > > > this slam technique works on all vehicles too… nice way to take out pesky attack boats or mobile AA. > > > > You have one hour of flying time. > > That’s like reviewing a highly complex product he has used for a short peroid of time. Makes no sense whatsoever. If I could, I’d just flag this for spam. > I mentioned earlier that I’m a skilled pilot, not gonna go in detail anymore. Even flying with random people in a pub makes him seem like a total beginner for most helicopter pilots who know their stuff. nope i use the tools available to me at the time. the scout helo is far better and more manuverable so i use that. it doesnt require teamwork i can make more of an impact with that. flag if as spam if you like and i’ll continue to think you’re a cunt 🙂 have a nice day don’t like the way the helo flies - then don’t fly it numbnuts. do something else like i do. sorry if i haven’t got 10000000 hrs on attack helos but i have a job and a life. i havent got time to sit in front of a computer game all day anymore. glad you can. god these forums get worse with each incarnation… MODS can we have EAUK back? pretty please… pre mordor… ---
**Author:** ![ThibVc](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@ThibVc](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ThibVc)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2013, 12:53pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/295 "2013-12-02T12:53:00Z")
This thread needs way more attention. OP is right on every point. ---
**Author:** ![TimmiWanted1243](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/f0a364/32.png) [@TimmiWanted1243](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TimmiWanted1243)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2013, 1:03pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/296 "2013-12-02T13:03:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _ThibVc said:_ > This thread needs way more attention. > OP is right on every point. Agreed. ---
**Author:** ![FTAC\_SWOPE](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@FTAC\_SWOPE](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/FTAC_SWOPE)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2013, 1:05pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/297 "2013-12-02T13:05:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _DerFetteDetlef said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _LinkZeppeloyd said:_ > > Lol, so you’re not going 100-0 anymore, so for you it’s not fun anymore. How sad. I mean, something can actually _kill_ you in a chopper now! The nerve! > > Ignorant post. I saw that coming. It’s not about me not getting kills with it anymore. I’m just saying that there isn’t a point in having an attack chopper in the game if its as unbalanced as this one. I have a pretty strong feeling your just mad you cant stay in the heli all round like you used to and rack up kills. As that is pretty much the purpose of the game. Sorry buddy. the att heli days are over. THANK FUCKING GOD ---
**Author:** ![RE1IK](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/3bc359/32.png) [@RE1IK](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/RE1IK)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2013, 5:38pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/298 "2013-12-02T17:38:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _dunski13 said:_ > You want to buff the choppers? I don’t care, dosent really change how I play. Not big into flying them anyway. But I have to say this… You make them stronger then you need to remove the engineer repairing while flying. You cant kill those choppers. Two repair guys \> 99% of incoming damage. You need about 3-4 people with stingers firing at the same time to kill it then. > > Fix that, and I am with you. Tank repair is fine because they have to exit the vehicle becoming vulnerable. Why is it different with choppers? I dont know, just a thought… We don’t want to buff the scout, in fact…we AH pilots think it needs nerfed. It’s funny how as an infy, I fear the scout worse than the AH. Hell, even as vehicle driver I do lol. 25mm guns and 2 engys with either RPGs or Jav…above my head?? No thanks. Far as repair goes…yea something needs fixed here. Tank is perfect. In the AH, I maybe have 20 repairs on it. LULZ! You either don’t get a chance or just hide for a sec and let it re-gen. Buff the AH and take aways re-gen…I’ll be happy with that. > [@](#): > > _Mynx1911 said:_ > Agreed to most OP points, except less damage on tanks. I’d agree only to that if the chopper gains more ammo in trade for less damage. I’m actually ok with that but don’t forget about active protection. Choppers have to wait for you AP to diminish otherwise we are wasting rounds. > [@](#): > > _ThibVc said:_ > This thread needs way more attention. > OP is right on every point. Yep…tell your friends to comment on it. Even infy whores who hate helis. We need to know their concerns. It’s give and take with this…not just take! > [@](#): > > _SupaSwope said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _DerFetteDetlef said:_ > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _LinkZeppeloyd said:_ > > > Lol, so you’re not going 100-0 anymore, so for you it’s not fun anymore. How sad. I mean, something can actually _kill_ you in a chopper now! The nerve! > > > > Ignorant post. I saw that coming. It’s not about me not getting kills with it anymore. I’m just saying that there isn’t a point in having an attack chopper in the game if its as unbalanced as this one. > > I have a pretty strong feeling your just mad you cant stay in the heli all round like you used to and rack up kills. As that is pretty much the purpose of the game. Sorry buddy. the att heli days are over. THANK FUCKING GOD We understand your concern Swope. We don’t need to survive the whole round…we just want to be able to get out of spawn w/o dieing lol. Also, no swearing in the forums. Even worse using F&^% and God in the same sentence btw. Thanks for your input though. ---
**Author:** ![ewormafive](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/858c86/32.png) [@ewormafive](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ewormafive)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2013, 5:57pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/299 "2013-12-02T17:57:00Z")
I agree 100%. Even as a casual chopper pilot I can see the major nerfs to the attack chopper compared to BF3. I’m not saying it should be easy, but now you better hope you can get at least 2 kills while you’re in the chopper because you’ll only have about 30 seconds or less of flight time. ---
**Author:** ![RE1IK](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/3bc359/32.png) [@RE1IK](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/RE1IK)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2013, 6:11pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/300 "2013-12-02T18:11:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _ewormafive said:_ > I agree 100%. Even as a casual chopper pilot I can see the major nerfs to the attack chopper compared to BF3. I’m not saying it should be easy, but now you better hope you can get at least 2 kills while you’re in the chopper because you’ll only have about 30 seconds or less of flight time. Exactly. I’m no pro pilot for sure. More casual if anything but yea there’s no real fun with it. With any other vehicle (except stealth jet), I can actually “hope” to get more than 5 kills without dieing lol. The only reason my SPM is so low is because I been so dang determined to figure out what strengths the AH has. It has none really. Can only survive with it for more than 5 minutes on Shanghai and Dawnbreaker. Even on those maps, the AH simply pisses me off lol. The AH in the beta was hella better. Something changed with it! [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305.md?page=14) [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305.md?page=16)