# Flying a helicopter got ridiculous. Potential fix. **URL:** \ **Category:** PC\ **Created:** [November 29, 2013, 9:11pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305 "2013-11-29T21:11:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/8797f3/32.png) [@DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DerFetteDetlef)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2013, 7:54pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/141 "2013-11-30T19:54:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _mullikinfett said:_ > Keep making me look like an idiot, but that is all I see Don’t you see the post people keep refering to? Like HwanZike on this page of the thread. @HwanZike: Thank you very much, excellent post, I’ll include your 2 points in the first main post and mention your name. I just rushed this thread after a round in which I got really annoyed, so I obviously didn’t manage to remind of all the important things. ---
**Author:** ![G-Gnu](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/g-gnu/32/102029_2.png) [@G-Gnu](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/G-Gnu)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2013, 7:56pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/142 "2013-11-30T19:56:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _bala2289 said:_ > I dont know whether anyone has noted this yet… I play with tanks a lot and shoot down lot of low flying helis. Sometimes when hit with the main canon there’s no damage to the heli? I can see smoke when it got hit but no damage? It flies as nothing happened.. The old and always as funny “Dust hit”, same thing in BF3. For some reason the game server decide not to count your hit as a hit, but on your side you see the animation. Sync probbs or something. @ZorisX Plz fly the AH some more then come back and tell us about your experince. For now i will not even consider your post. Man this is getting old, all ppl writing partly stupid post without even having a reasonable AH experience. ---
**Author:** ![DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/8797f3/32.png) [@DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DerFetteDetlef)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2013, 8:02pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/143 "2013-11-30T20:02:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _G-Gnu said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _bala2289 said:_ > > I dont know whether anyone has noted this yet… I play with tanks a lot and shoot down lot of low flying helis. Sometimes when hit with the main canon there’s no damage to the heli? I can see smoke when it got hit but no damage? It flies as nothing happened.. > > The old and always as funny "Dust hit", same thing in BF3. For some reason the game server decide not to count your hit as a hit, but on your side you see the animation. Sync probbs or something. This is an old problem, so I didn’t mention it, like I said in my first post. ---
**Author:** ![G-Gnu](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/g-gnu/32/102029_2.png) [@G-Gnu](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/G-Gnu)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2013, 8:06pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/144 "2013-11-30T20:06:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _DerFetteDetlef said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _G-Gnu said:_ > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _bala2289 said:_ > > > I dont know whether anyone has noted this yet… I play with tanks a lot and shoot down lot of low flying helis. Sometimes when hit with the main canon there’s no damage to the heli? I can see smoke when it got hit but no damage? It flies as nothing happened.. > > > > The old and always as funny "Dust hit", same thing in BF3. For some reason the game server decide not to count your hit as a hit, but on your side you see the animation. Sync probbs or something. > > This is an old problem, so I didn’t mention it, like I said in my first post. Yeah its old, still annoys me if you land a long distance shoot on a chopper. But on the other hand, in this game thats not so difficult as in BF3, so no rage about it in BF4. ---
**Author:** ![DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/8797f3/32.png) [@DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DerFetteDetlef)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2013, 8:11pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/145 "2013-11-30T20:11:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _PappaKeno99 said:_ > I Agree Thank you. Appreciated. Share this with your fellow battlefielders! ---
**Author:** ![Jambo\_755](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/d2c977/32.png) [@Jambo\_755](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Jambo_755)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2013, 8:11pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/146 "2013-11-30T20:11:00Z")
From another chopper pilot from way back in BF2, I agree. ---
**Author:** ![DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/8797f3/32.png) [@DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DerFetteDetlef)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2013, 8:13pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/147 "2013-11-30T20:13:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Thronkster said:_ > From another chopper pilot from way back in BF2, I agree. All BF2 Veterans are going to understand this. Thanks a lot man. ---
**Author:** ![Mescalamba](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Mescalamba](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Mescalamba)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2013, 8:17pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/148 "2013-11-30T20:17:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Thronkster said:_ > From another chopper pilot from way back in BF2, I agree. Even if someone played BC2, they agree. Tho I would really love nerfing “instarepairing” scout helis. I have nothing against squad play, but indestructible heli is something Im not big fan of.. ---
**Author:** ![OP\_Crutchmobile](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/op_crutchmobile/32/105977_2.png) [@OP\_Crutchmobile](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/OP_Crutchmobile)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2013, 8:21pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/149 "2013-11-30T20:21:00Z")
I don’t even bother getting into a attack chopper at the current state. I think IN GENERAL the lockon spam has gone too far. Y4rr! ---
**Author:** ![DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/8797f3/32.png) [@DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DerFetteDetlef)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2013, 8:22pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/150 "2013-11-30T20:22:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Mescalamba said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _Thronkster said:_ > > From another chopper pilot from way back in BF2, I agree. > > Even if someone played BC2, they agree. Tho I would really love nerfing "instarepairing" scout helis. I have nothing against squad play, but indestructible heli is something Im not big fan of.. Also agree there, but I really can’t make a tremendous thread about all the balance issues, I just chose the attack chopper being my vehicle of choice overall. ---
**Author:** ![mullikinfett](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/58956e/32.png) [@mullikinfett](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/mullikinfett)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2013, 8:28pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/151 "2013-11-30T20:28:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Mescalamba said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _Thronkster said:_ > > From another chopper pilot from way back in BF2, I agree. > > Even if someone played BC2, they agree. Tho I would really love nerfing "instarepairing" scout helis. I have nothing against squad play, but indestructible heli is something Im not big fan of.. I always get killed when they do that and when I have any Engineers, they always bail out when I get shot at ---
**Author:** ![G-Gnu](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/g-gnu/32/102029_2.png) [@G-Gnu](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/G-Gnu)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2013, 8:31pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/152 "2013-11-30T20:31:00Z")
Ooh Btw, the gunners sight seems to be capped a bit to much on the vertical axis movment, it´s hard do battle another AH as gunner if the opposing chopper are flying just a bit higher. It´s seem to be capped in line with the choppers horizontal axis, in other words, you cant aim higher then where the chopper it self points at. I can understand why they did to a certain extent, if you fly in low and trying to maintain a good speed and are about do a sweep over a Flag as an example, in BF3 the gunner could see a bit ahead and pick of targets (mostly infantry) in BF4 that is harder. Thats fine by me, but… whats not fine is when you are as i said battleing with the opposing AH the pilot need to pitch the chopper up for the gunner to even see the other one , even worse is defending your self against Jets. This is not really a big problem, but slighty more + movment on gunners gun vertical axis would be nice. ---
**Author:** ![DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/8797f3/32.png) [@DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DerFetteDetlef)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2013, 8:39pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/153 "2013-11-30T20:39:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _G-Gnu said:_ > Ooh Btw, the gunners sight seems to be capped a bit to much on the vertical axis movment, it´s har do battle another AH as gunner if the opposing chopper are flying just a bit higher. > It´s seem to be capped in line with the choppers horizontal axis, in other words, you cant aim higher then where the chopper it self points at. > I can understand why they did to a certain extent, if you fly in low and trying to maintain a good speed and are about do a sweep over a Flag as an example, > in BF3 the gunner could see a bit ahead and pick of targets (mostly infantry) in BF4 that is harder. > Thats fine by me, but… whats not fine is when you are as i said battleing with the opposing AH the pilot need to pitch the chopper up for the gunner to even see the other one , even worse is defending your self against Jets. > > This is not really a big problem, but slighty more + movment on gunners gun vertical axis would be nice. You’re right, but for this im 100% sure it won’t change. ---
**Author:** ![G-Gnu](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/g-gnu/32/102029_2.png) [@G-Gnu](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/G-Gnu)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2013, 8:43pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/154 "2013-11-30T20:43:00Z")
Probably not…but why the heck did they do all those small changes to the AH in BF4 vs BF3 =Over nerfed AH that you could shoot down with no effort at all. ---
**Author:** ![DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/8797f3/32.png) [@DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DerFetteDetlef)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2013, 9:19pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/155 "2013-11-30T21:19:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _G-Gnu said:_ > Probably not…but why the heck did they do all those small changes to the AH in BF4 vs BF3 > =Over nerfed AH that you could shoot down with no effort at all. Because the bigger amount of people doesn’t or barley uses the chopper and just gets killed by it, hence the nerve, kids got what they cried for in BF3. Sounds rude but that’s a fact. ---
**Author:** ![Fyter92](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/77aa72/32.png) [@Fyter92](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Fyter92)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2013, 9:24pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/156 "2013-11-30T21:24:00Z")
At the moment vehicles are a bit shit imo. Excluding the AA and attack jets ofcourse. Sometimes it feels like it’s not worth going on the vehicles, especially when there is a shit load on engineers on the other team with target locking capabilities. Stealth jets are used to fly over the map to observe the cosmetics of the maps made under frostbite engine 3. After the tv guided missile nerf, even attack helicopters have become very weak. Scout helicopters are very good if you have 1/2 engineers repairing if not they are not great. Meanwhile all the weapons have been upgraded. Seems like infranty got upgraded. Battlefield 4 one step closer to its ultimate goal, that is to become the next Call of Duty Modern Warfare. Well Done DICE and EA. ---
**Author:** ![DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/8797f3/32.png) [@DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DerFetteDetlef)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2013, 9:27pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/157 "2013-11-30T21:27:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Fyter92\_ said:_ > At the moment vehicles are a bit shit imo. Excluding the AA and attack jets ofcourse. Sometimes it feels like it’s not worth going on the vehicles, especially when there is a shit load on engineers on the other team with target locking capabilities. > > Stealth jets are used to fly over the map to observe the cosmetics of the maps made under frostbite engine 3. > > After the tv guided missile nerf, even attack helicopters have become very weak. > > Scout helicopters are very good if you have 1/2 engineers repairing if not they are not great. > > Meanwhile all the weapons have been upgraded. Seems like infranty got upgraded. Battlefield 4 one step closer to its ultimate goal, that is to become the next Call of Duty Modern Warfare. > > Well Done DICE and EA. Well said. ---
**Author:** ![SEC9-VANDEL](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@SEC9-VANDEL](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SEC9-VANDEL)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2013, 9:44pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/158 "2013-11-30T21:44:00Z")
Flying the helo is not about KD. It’s about supporting your team. Everything about the attack and scout helicopters is about support. They are support vehicles. Not to say you can’t have a good KD if your doing it right though… I agree with OP the attack helo is crap. Not powerful enough or maneuverable enough. ---
**Author:** ![DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/8797f3/32.png) [@DerFetteDetlef](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DerFetteDetlef)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2013, 9:50pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/159 "2013-11-30T21:50:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _SEC9-VANDEL said:_ > Flying the helo is not about KD. It’s about supporting your team. Everything about the attack and scout helicopters is about support. They are support vehicles. Not to say you can’t have a good KD if your doing it right though… I agree with OP the attack helo is crap. Not powerful enough or maneuverable enough. Nailed it. I just want to add that you should be rewarded for your flight skills, which atm isnt the case. ---
**Author:** ![Scoremaster6](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/a8b319/32.png) [@Scoremaster6](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Scoremaster6)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 5:25am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305/160 "2013-12-01T05:25:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _DerFetteDetlef said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _Scoremaster6 said:_ > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _DerFetteDetlef said:_ > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > _iarobot88 said:_ > > > > another chopper whore cryin , no more 100+ kilstreaks , no more flyin in stratosphere, mobile aa fuck you as they should. and every chopper noob need to write a wall of text how they want to fix choppers and maa. > > > > > > Im not crying, its not about 100+ killstreaks. Why dont you get it? Its not balanced right now. I don’t want it to be OP. I want the middle ground, where skilled pilots get rewarded, and bad players lose. Thats how it should be. It’s not the case in BF4. Noobs get rewarded equally in the attack chopper - which is not at all. > > > > Why don’t you get it. > > > > Helicopters are the whole reason I completely stopped playing conquest in BF3. They finally nerfed the double flares(pilot had flares + gunner had flares) wayyy too late in the game to keep the players that left. > > > > Helicopters were unstoppable for the most part, even with me being pretty decent at Mobile AA(which I played very aggressively with to help the team). Even with having armor on my AA, using smoke(basically flares), and being engineer class I would still get my ass handed to me by TV missiles from 600 meters away. I even knew the missiles were coming, on some maps you just cant get out of the way fast enough and its just /over everytime. > > I see why you are angry, and I really don’t want that to happen in BF4 again, I don’t want the second flare to come back (unless it’s also with that ridiculous timer). > I just want some actually minor tweaks, like removing the delay on the flares, which currently makes them useless against the biggest threat (antiair + stingers). I really do get it why it was frustrating for you guys on BF3. But this is a different story to be told, thats what I beg you to understand. I was actually pretty decent in the Heli, not soo much on jets because I just can’t seem to get a good handle on using KB/Mouse for jets. I wasn’t a total noob that got shot down within seconds, but I just didn’t take 40 hours to learn it well or get better. Heli came kind of naturally to me after a little monkeying around with sensitivity and controls. But in BF3 you could have a whole game where a truely good heli pilot would never get shot down ever. I am not talking about going 100 - 0 I am talking about people going 300 - 0(high ticket count). I have seen it a few times get that rediculous. After awhile the ground people just stop wasting their time trying to shoot it down, some people just fly low like crazy so you can’t lock on ever and just face roll people. It would be nice to see the mechanic brought back where you have to land again to get more ammo/flares like they did in Battlefield 2. Honestly it would make the game more fair because if the heli/jet has to go back they aren’t 24/7 face rolling people on the ground, and the ground units get a small break to get organized instead of feeling hopelessly spawn camped(which is soooo easy to do and yes I have done it and it’s cheap I admit it). [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305.md?page=7) [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/flying-a-helicopter-got-ridiculous-potential-fix/152305.md?page=9)