# Get rid of planes **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 22, 2018, 1:03pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/get-rid-of-planes/105974 "2018-11-22T13:03:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![contact634](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@contact634](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/contact634)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 1:03pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/get-rid-of-planes/105974/1 "2018-11-22T13:03:00Z")
Planes are wrecking this game guys are going 30+ kills zero deaths because you cant use aa to shoot the planes down please limit the ammo on the plane or the repairs your tank has limited ammo so should planes to prevent plane camping whole games in your untouchable plane the game is not enjoyable when your getting killed by planes every 3 seconds while on the ground I bought an infantry game not a flying game ---
**Author:** ![Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hawxxeye/32/101036_2.png) [@Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Hawxxeye)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 1:15pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/get-rid-of-planes/105974/2 "2018-11-22T13:15:00Z")
The planes are as limited as the tanks if not more. They can just get to their ressuply easier. PS: If you bought **Battlefield** as an infantry game **and** you play conquest, you are making wrong choices ---
**Author:** ![Mrcleanjeans](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/mrcleanjeans/32/106976_2.png) [@Mrcleanjeans](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Mrcleanjeans)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 1:17pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/get-rid-of-planes/105974/3 "2018-11-22T13:17:00Z")
Poor thing… ---
**Author:** ![disposalist](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@disposalist](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/disposalist)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 1:17pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/get-rid-of-planes/105974/4 "2018-11-22T13:17:00Z")
You mean bombers. DICE have accepted that the JU-88 (and possibly others) need balancing. Re: “I bought an infantry game”. No, you didn’t. With the way that BF5 is balanced you might be tempted to think that - other than bombers, vehicles are horrible against infantry - but Battlefield has always been wonderfully multi-discipline with powerful and fun vehicles including tanks and planes. ---
**Author:** ![TEKNOCODE](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/teknocode/32/103723_2.png) [@TEKNOCODE](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TEKNOCODE)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 1:19pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/get-rid-of-planes/105974/5 "2018-11-22T13:19:00Z")
Planes need to be in all game modes. ---
**Author:** ![contact634](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@contact634](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/contact634)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 1:32pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/get-rid-of-planes/105974/6 "2018-11-22T13:32:00Z")
> [@disposalist](#): > > You mean bombers. DICE have accepted that the JU-88 (and possibly others) need balancing. > > Re: “I bought an infantry game”. No, you didn’t. With the way that BF5 is balanced you might be tempted to think that - other than bombers, vehicles are horrible against infantry - but Battlefield has always been wonderfully multi-discipline with powerful and fun vehicles including tanks and planes. and I agree with you (BF usually fairly balanced) in BF4 for instance you had powerfull AA and stingers so it was actually possible for infantry to take down planes. BF5 the AA guns do 6 damage so you dump a whole “mag” into a plane it flies out of range repairs itself and comes back kills you in 1 shot the AA needs to destroy aircraft in a few shots that’s the whole point of AA ---
**Author:** ![disposalist](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@disposalist](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/disposalist)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 1:53pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/get-rid-of-planes/105974/7 "2018-11-22T13:53:00Z")
> [@contact634](#): > > > [@disposalist](#): > > > > You mean bombers. DICE have accepted that the JU-88 (and possibly others) need balancing. > > > > Re: “I bought an infantry game”. No, you didn’t. With the way that BF5 is balanced you might be tempted to think that - other than bombers, vehicles are horrible against infantry - but Battlefield has always been wonderfully multi-discipline with powerful and fun vehicles including tanks and planes. > > and I agree with you (BF usually fairly balanced) in BF4 for instance you had powerfull AA and stingers so it was actually possible for infantry to take down planes. BF5 the AA guns do 6 damage so you dump a whole “mag” into a plane it flies out of range repairs itself and comes back kills you in 1 shot the AA needs to destroy aircraft in a few shots that’s the whole point of AA True re. the BF5 AA. In BF4 a good pilot could stay in the air the whole match, but in BF1 there were _lots_ of counters to planes. Best BF ever for plane fun and balance. Well… all fun really. Was such a huge disappointment when I opened up on a bomber with my LMG in BF5 and did zero damage. Realistic? Possibly. Good balance? Not so much. Planes are not fun in BF5. Flying them or countering them. ---
**Author:** ![Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hawxxeye/32/101036_2.png) [@Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Hawxxeye)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 1:56pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/get-rid-of-planes/105974/8 "2018-11-22T13:56:00Z")
> [@disposalist](#): > > > [@contact634](#): > > > > > [@disposalist](#): > > > > > > You mean bombers. DICE have accepted that the JU-88 (and possibly others) need balancing. > > > > > > Re: “I bought an infantry game”. No, you didn’t. With the way that BF5 is balanced you might be tempted to think that - other than bombers, vehicles are horrible against infantry - but Battlefield has always been wonderfully multi-discipline with powerful and fun vehicles including tanks and planes. > > > > and I agree with you (BF usually fairly balanced) in BF4 for instance you had powerfull AA and stingers so it was actually possible for infantry to take down planes. BF5 the AA guns do 6 damage so you dump a whole “mag” into a plane it flies out of range repairs itself and comes back kills you in 1 shot the AA needs to destroy aircraft in a few shots that’s the whole point of AA > > True re. the BF5 AA. In BF4 a good pilot could stay in the air the whole match, but in BF1 there were _lots_ of counters to planes. Best BF ever for plane fun and balance. Well… all fun really. > > Was such a huge disappointment when I opened up on a bomber with my LMG in BF5 and did zero damage. Realistic? Possibly. Good balance? Not so much. Planes are not fun in BF5. Flying them or countering them. There is some bug with the BF bombers that when you shoot at them with small arms fire you do not get points for damaging them. I have seen it happening with the AA tank and the MG42 with incendiary ammo ---
**Author:** ![TorqBOMB](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/8797f3/32.png) [@TorqBOMB](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TorqBOMB)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 1:59pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/get-rid-of-planes/105974/9 "2018-11-22T13:59:00Z")
I agree the planes need a nerf they can easily pin point you on the map and bomb way to often. We need something besides AA to counter them. ---
**Author:** ![TheSacar](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thesacar/32/104967_2.png) [@TheSacar](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TheSacar)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 1:59pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/get-rid-of-planes/105974/10 "2018-11-22T13:59:00Z")
> [@contact634](#): > > > [@disposalist](#): > > > > You mean bombers. DICE have accepted that the JU-88 (and possibly others) need balancing. > > > > Re: “I bought an infantry game”. No, you didn’t. With the way that BF5 is balanced you might be tempted to think that - other than bombers, vehicles are horrible against infantry - but Battlefield has always been wonderfully multi-discipline with powerful and fun vehicles including tanks and planes. > > and I agree with you (BF usually fairly balanced) in BF4 for instance you had powerfull AA and stingers so it was actually possible for infantry to take down planes. BF5 the AA guns do 6 damage so you dump a whole “mag” into a plane it flies out of range repairs itself and comes back kills you in 1 shot the AA needs to destroy aircraft in a few shots that’s the whole point of AA The whole point of the AA is not “tokill the plane in a few shots” if that were the case then what would the point of planes be in the first place. The AA is an area denial tool not a “delete plane” tool. It should kill a plane that doesn turn away but it certainly shoul dnot kill in “a few shots”. If you want to consistently kill planes you need to pick a fighter. ---
**Author:** ![disposalist](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@disposalist](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/disposalist)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 2:05pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/get-rid-of-planes/105974/11 "2018-11-22T14:05:00Z")
> [@Hawxxeye](#): > > > [@disposalist](#): > > > > > [@contact634](#): > > > > > > > [@disposalist](#): > > > > > > > > You mean bombers. DICE have accepted that the JU-88 (and possibly others) need balancing. > > > > > > > > Re: “I bought an infantry game”. No, you didn’t. With the way that BF5 is balanced you might be tempted to think that - other than bombers, vehicles are horrible against infantry - but Battlefield has always been wonderfully multi-discipline with powerful and fun vehicles including tanks and planes. > > > > > > and I agree with you (BF usually fairly balanced) in BF4 for instance you had powerfull AA and stingers so it was actually possible for infantry to take down planes. BF5 the AA guns do 6 damage so you dump a whole “mag” into a plane it flies out of range repairs itself and comes back kills you in 1 shot the AA needs to destroy aircraft in a few shots that’s the whole point of AA > > > > True re. the BF5 AA. In BF4 a good pilot could stay in the air the whole match, but in BF1 there were _lots_ of counters to planes. Best BF ever for plane fun and balance. Well… all fun really. > > > > Was such a huge disappointment when I opened up on a bomber with my LMG in BF5 and did zero damage. Realistic? Possibly. Good balance? Not so much. Planes are not fun in BF5. Flying them or countering them. > > There is some bug with the BF bombers that when you shoot at them with small arms fire you do not get points for damaging them. I have seen it happening with the AA tank and the MG42 with incendiary ammo Is it a bug? You get the same in BF1 if you’re not using a ‘good enough’ weapon. Hit markers, but zero damage. I just assumed DICE consider an LMG in BF5 not ‘good enough’ to damage planes. ---
**Author:** ![IDirtY\_SeCreT](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/ee7513/32.png) [@IDirtY\_SeCreT](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/IDirtY_SeCreT)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 2:17pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/get-rid-of-planes/105974/12 "2018-11-22T14:17:00Z")
> [@disposalist](#): > > True re. the BF5 AA. In BF4 a good pilot could stay in the air the whole match, but in BF1 there were _lots_ of counters to planes. Best BF ever for plane fun and balance. Well… all fun really. And I would say BF1 air combat is not very different from BF5. Seen so many people with a zero-skill-bomber getting killstreaks. To be a good pilot in BF4 you at least needed some skill, since the A10 was easily beaten by the stealth jets. I don’t say that everything was fine in BF4, but I think air combat was more demanding than in BF1 or BF5. Though you could also keep good pilots on low kill counts if you were smart enough to do that. Yeah planes must be strong, same time there are good ways to counter them, but somehow people allways want it to be easier^^ > [@TorqBOMB](#): > > I agree the planes need a nerf they can easily pin point you on the map and bomb way to often. We need something besides AA to counter them. _cough_ Ehm fighter _cough_ ---
**Author:** ![l\_water\_l](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/b4bc9f/32.png) [@l\_water\_l](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/l_water_l)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 2:19pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/get-rid-of-planes/105974/13 "2018-11-22T14:19:00Z")
> [@disposalist](#): > > > [@Hawxxeye](#): > > > > > [@disposalist](#): > > > > > > > [@contact634](#): > > > > > > > > > [@disposalist](#): > > > > > > > > > > You mean bombers. DICE have accepted that the JU-88 (and possibly others) need balancing. > > > > > > > > > > Re: “I bought an infantry game”. No, you didn’t. With the way that BF5 is balanced you might be tempted to think that - other than bombers, vehicles are horrible against infantry - but Battlefield has always been wonderfully multi-discipline with powerful and fun vehicles including tanks and planes. > > > > > > > > and I agree with you (BF usually fairly balanced) in BF4 for instance you had powerfull AA and stingers so it was actually possible for infantry to take down planes. BF5 the AA guns do 6 damage so you dump a whole “mag” into a plane it flies out of range repairs itself and comes back kills you in 1 shot the AA needs to destroy aircraft in a few shots that’s the whole point of AA > > > > > > True re. the BF5 AA. In BF4 a good pilot could stay in the air the whole match, but in BF1 there were _lots_ of counters to planes. Best BF ever for plane fun and balance. Well… all fun really. > > > > > > Was such a huge disappointment when I opened up on a bomber with my LMG in BF5 and did zero damage. Realistic? Possibly. Good balance? Not so much. Planes are not fun in BF5. Flying them or countering them. > > > > There is some bug with the BF bombers that when you shoot at them with small arms fire you do not get points for damaging them. I have seen it happening with the AA tank and the MG42 with incendiary ammo > > Is it a bug? You get the same in BF1 if you’re not using a ‘good enough’ weapon. Hit markers, but zero damage. > > I just assumed DICE consider an LMG in BF5 not ‘good enough’ to damage planes. No, its a bug with the bombers. I was just on Hamada trying all game to keep a bomber off of us and probably half of all my shots the AA emplacement didn’t even damage it with the explosion/flak being perfect. I was perfectly fine damaging fighters though. If it is intended that some shots with AA, even though they hit perfectly, don’t damage bombers then someone should lose their job at dice. ---
**Author:** ![disposalist](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@disposalist](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/disposalist)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 2:25pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/get-rid-of-planes/105974/14 "2018-11-22T14:25:00Z")
> [@IDirtY\_SeCreT](#): > > > [@disposalist](#): > > > > True re. the BF5 AA. In BF4 a good pilot could stay in the air the whole match, but in BF1 there were _lots_ of counters to planes. Best BF ever for plane fun and balance. Well… all fun really. > > And I would say BF1 air combat is not very different from BF5. Seen so many people with a zero-skill-bomber getting killstreaks. The only way bombers get kill streaks in BF1 is if no one bothers to try and bring them down. I like to use LMGs. It’s not hard. In BF5 you have to use fighters and you have to have upgraded fighters and you have to be a pretty good pilot. > [@IDirtY\_SeCreT](#): > > To be a good pilot in BF4 you at least needed some skill, since the A10 was easily beaten by the stealth jets. I don’t say that everything was fine in BF4, but I think air combat was more demanding than in BF1 or BF5. It was more demanding, yes, such that a ‘good’ pilot was rare and when you encountered one it was all but impossible to shoot them down from ground or air. In BF1 flying was much more accessible and there were many ways to effectively down a bomber. > [@IDirtY\_SeCreT](#): > > Though you could also keep good pilots on low kill counts if you were smart enough to do that. Yeah planes must be strong, same time there are good ways to counter them, but somehow people allways want it to be easier^^ Making them easier to fly like in BF1 means everyone can enjoy them and pro pilots aren’t unkillable. > [@IDirtY\_SeCreT](#): > > > [@TorqBOMB](#): > > > > I agree the planes need a nerf they can easily pin point you on the map and bomb way to often. We need something besides AA to counter them. > > _cough_ Ehm fighter _cough_ Exactly. AA doesn’t work. LMGs don’t work. You have to use a fighter and you have to be good and upgraded. It’s far from ideal. ---
**Author:** ![KorpusDraige](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/korpusdraige/32/102566_2.png) [@KorpusDraige](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/KorpusDraige)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 3:05pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/get-rid-of-planes/105974/15 "2018-11-22T15:05:00Z")
> [@contact634](#): > > Planes are wrecking this game guys are going 30+ kills zero deaths because you cant use aa to shoot the planes down please limit the ammo on the plane or the repairs your tank has limited ammo so should planes to prevent plane camping whole games in your untouchable plane the game is not enjoyable when your getting killed by planes every 3 seconds while on the ground I bought an infantry game not a flying game 30-0 is only average where I come from. Get better at dealing with air. You bought a game that has infantry AND vehicles. If you want to play infantry only, go play Domination, TDM or another series. ---
**Author:** ![Tullzter](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/tullzter/32/103905_2.png) [@Tullzter](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Tullzter)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 3:08pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/get-rid-of-planes/105974/16 "2018-11-22T15:08:00Z")
A simple buff to the AA should do it, they are useless today but the game is still a work in progress i’m sure it will get better..until then i’m sticking with BF1 ---
**Author:** ![AddyRazz](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/addyrazz/32/106436_2.png) [@AddyRazz](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/AddyRazz)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 3:09pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/get-rid-of-planes/105974/17 "2018-11-22T15:09:00Z")
> [@contact634](#): > > > [@disposalist](#): > > > > You mean bombers. DICE have accepted that the JU-88 (and possibly others) need balancing. > > > > Re: “I bought an infantry game”. No, you didn’t. With the way that BF5 is balanced you might be tempted to think that - other than bombers, vehicles are horrible against infantry - but Battlefield has always been wonderfully multi-discipline with powerful and fun vehicles including tanks and planes. > > and I agree with you (BF usually fairly balanced) in BF4 for instance you had powerfull AA and stingers so it was actually possible for infantry to take down planes. BF5 the AA guns do 6 damage so you dump a whole “mag” into a plane it flies out of range repairs itself and comes back kills you in 1 shot the AA needs to destroy aircraft in a few shots that’s the whole point of AA Totally agree with this, currently, it is too risky to sit on an AA because of this reason, AA needs to be much more powerful ---
**Author:** ![TheSacar](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thesacar/32/104967_2.png) [@TheSacar](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TheSacar)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 5:02pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/get-rid-of-planes/105974/18 "2018-11-22T17:02:00Z")
> [@Tullzter](#): > > A simple buff to the AA should do it, they are useless today but the game is still a work in progress i’m sure it will get better..until then i’m sticking with BF1 It totally kills ifghters and according to DICE it will get a buff against bombers. So that’s settled. > [@AddyRazz](#): > > Totally agree with this, currently, it is too risky to sit on an AA because of this reason, AA needs to be much more powerful AA already is powerful. How much more powerful would you like it to be? two shot kill on fighters? One shot kill? Or maybe fighters should just instantly blow up if you look at them with an AA sight? Concerning bombers, please see above. > [@disposalist](#): > > Exactly. AA doesn’t work. LMGs don’t work. You have to use a fighter and you have to be good and upgraded. It’s far from ideal. You really do not have to be a good pilot and you really do not need a fully upgraded plane. Just do not come at the omber directly from behind and not from to close. That’s the strategy and anyone who is not entirely asleep can do that. Now without upgrades you might need a few passes, but you really only need the very first upgrade for the Spitfire VA (8x machine guns), the first one for the BF109 G-2 (4x machine guns) or the second one for the BF109 (explosive rounds) to really melt bombers. Now add to that that flying is easier than it ever was and needing to take a fighter to reliably and repeatedly kill planes is not too much to ask. ---
**Author:** ![bran1986](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/bran1986/32/101405_2.png) [@bran1986](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/bran1986)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 5:05pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/get-rid-of-planes/105974/19 "2018-11-22T17:05:00Z")
This is Battlefield, vehicles are part of Battlefield…deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![IDirtY\_SeCreT](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/ee7513/32.png) [@IDirtY\_SeCreT](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/IDirtY_SeCreT)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 5:17pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/get-rid-of-planes/105974/20 "2018-11-22T17:17:00Z")
@disposalist Sorry quoting is too much work here^^ 1. Infantry with Handguns should never be able do take down planes. 2. Killing good pilots shouldn’t be easy right, cause it takes much time to master planes, at least in BF4. If it’s hard to master something it shouldn’t be easy to deny that. 3. Making planes easy to fly is one thing, but it should still be hard to master. If everyone can be good at something without real effort there will be less decisive factors between good and bad players. 4. You can take down bombers with mounted AA and AA Tank all you need is teamwork. And it’s also ok that you otherwise need a good fighter pilot to kill a good bomber pilot. Again why should any player be able to kill planes easily? Players might feel better, but good players will lose interest real fast if they’re not rewarded for their efforts. 5. Flying really got dumbed down in BF5 though and I don’t like that at all. I’d rather like the mechanics from BF3/4, it wasn’t the ultima ratio but at least better than what we’ve got now. [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/get-rid-of-planes/105974.md?page=2)