# Goodbye sweet spot :D **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 11, 2018, 12:04am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/goodbye-sweet-spot-d/105702 "2018-06-11T00:04:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![BURGERKRIEG](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@BURGERKRIEG](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BURGERKRIEG)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 12:04am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/goodbye-sweet-spot-d/105702/1 "2018-06-11T00:04:00Z")
Yup. It’s confirmed by Mr EA himself. No, not Andrew Wilson, he’s returned by hydro-jet to his converted volcano island lair. Westie. Sounds like some of you new guys are going to have to learn how to actually shoot 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Ronin9572](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/3e96dc/32.png) [@Ronin9572](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Ronin9572)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 12:09am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/goodbye-sweet-spot-d/105702/2 "2018-06-11T00:09:00Z")
So basically every scout rifle will be the same? That’s lame! ---
**Author:** ![GuN\_sLiNgErXD15](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/gun_slingerxd15/32/102144_2.png) [@GuN\_sLiNgErXD15](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/GuN_sLiNgErXD15)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 12:27am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/goodbye-sweet-spot-d/105702/3 "2018-06-11T00:27:00Z")
Very good news, only headshots should be ohk. The damage model for body shots will be pretty decent too I imagine. ---
**Author:** ![Imabaka70](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/imabaka70/32/102297_2.png) [@Imabaka70](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Imabaka70)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 12:30am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/goodbye-sweet-spot-d/105702/4 "2018-06-11T00:30:00Z")
The watching stodehs sniping gameplay the damage seemed decent for a center hit. Also looks like velocity is still roughly the same. I can accept the loss of sweetspot, as long as it’s not airsoft style sniper rifles like bf4 ---
**Author:** ![trip1ex](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/779978/32.png) [@trip1ex](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/trip1ex)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 12:44am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/goodbye-sweet-spot-d/105702/5 "2018-06-11T00:44:00Z")
> [@Ronin9572](#): > > So basically every scout rifle will be the same? That’s lame! lame is them making up random OHK distances to make every scout rifle “different.” ---
**Author:** ![Dogwoggle11](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/dogwoggle11/32/101753_2.png) [@Dogwoggle11](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Dogwoggle11)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 12:46am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/goodbye-sweet-spot-d/105702/6 "2018-06-11T00:46:00Z")
The good Scouts/Recon won’t have a problem with this. ---
**Author:** ![MUH\_Cwywardwaah](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/muh_cwywardwaah/32/102896_2.png) [@MUH\_Cwywardwaah](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MUH_Cwywardwaah)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 1:58am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/goodbye-sweet-spot-d/105702/7 "2018-06-11T01:58:00Z")
> [@Dogwoggle11](#): > > The good Scouts/Recon won’t have a problem with this. But den most snipors will run to da hills and not ptfo because the rsc machine gun death squads will not let them get near flags. ---
**Author:** ![x\_Undaunted\_x](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/x_undaunted_x/32/104094_2.png) [@x\_Undaunted\_x](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/x_Undaunted_x)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 2:27am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/goodbye-sweet-spot-d/105702/8 "2018-06-11T02:27:00Z")
> [@Imabaka70](#): > > The watching stodehs sniping gameplay the damage seemed decent for a center hit. Also looks like velocity is still roughly the same. > > I can accept the loss of sweetspot, as long as it’s not airsoft style sniper rifles like bf4 This. I’m fine with the sweetspot leaving (always thought it was kinda cheesy) but the sniper rifles needed the same velocity as BF1. BF4’s sniper rifles were terrible. ---
**Author:** ![vulpesveritas](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/vulpesveritas/32/104024_2.png) [@vulpesveritas](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/vulpesveritas)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 3:26am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/goodbye-sweet-spot-d/105702/9 "2018-06-11T03:26:00Z")
Westie is saying that EA said they were increasing bullet drop. In general though, given that scouts are already underplayed in BF1 statistically, idk what DICE will give them to redeem the class in BFV, or whether it’ll be a net failure class. Also, for what complaints you may have for the sweet spot mechanic, it did at least give you a reason to use one sniper rifle over another for different situations/maps. I have no idea what, if anything, there will be to differentiate bolt action rifles in BFV… which just seems to me to be a bad gameplay decision. ---
**Author:** ![ShinoobyIsOP](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/shinoobyisop/32/102858_2.png) [@ShinoobyIsOP](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ShinoobyIsOP)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 3:32am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/goodbye-sweet-spot-d/105702/10 "2018-06-11T03:32:00Z")
This is good news, but scope glint needs to go too. ---
**Author:** ![Rename010101](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/90ced4/32.png) [@Rename010101](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Rename010101)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 5:07am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/goodbye-sweet-spot-d/105702/11 "2018-06-11T05:07:00Z")
Im glad,but it won’t stop scrubs from hiding on a hillside somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Alphazetamu](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/alphazetamu/32/101187_2.png) [@Alphazetamu](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Alphazetamu)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 7:20am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/goodbye-sweet-spot-d/105702/12 "2018-06-11T07:20:00Z")
On the positive side, it means no more mylittlepony rainbow flare 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ferdinand\_J\_Foch](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/ferdinand_j_foch/32/101936_2.png) [@Ferdinand\_J\_Foch](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Ferdinand_J_Foch)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 8:25am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/goodbye-sweet-spot-d/105702/13 "2018-06-11T08:25:00Z")
As long as it is never possible for a sniper rifle to get a one-shot-kill with anything but a headshot at any range, I’m fine with this change. ---
**Author:** ![Alphazetamu](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/alphazetamu/32/101187_2.png) [@Alphazetamu](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Alphazetamu)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 9:25am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/goodbye-sweet-spot-d/105702/14 "2018-06-11T09:25:00Z")
Actually, judging from Stodeh’s vid, it looks like the scout rifles can do as low as 60 damage on a body hit (not clear if they were arm hits)…it looks like they’ve maybe also either reduced the base damage of scout rifles, or they’ve decreased the multiplier for arm hits. However the headshot hitbox is apparently bigger (but we don’t know how much), so I wonder how scouts on console are gonna manage. ---
**Author:** ![Ronin9572](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/3e96dc/32.png) [@Ronin9572](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Ronin9572)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 11:09am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/goodbye-sweet-spot-d/105702/15 "2018-06-11T11:09:00Z")
> [@Imabaka70](#): > > The watching stodehs sniping gameplay the damage seemed decent for a center hit. Also looks like velocity is still roughly the same. > > I can accept the loss of sweetspot, as long as it’s not airsoft style sniper rifles like bf4 While I enjoyed the sweet spot, I totally agree with you on that. That’s the problem with modern style snipers, just feel like different brand BB guns. Or the only thing that lets you know it’s a different gun is name, round capacity, and bolt pattern ---
**Author:** ![BURGERKRIEG](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@BURGERKRIEG](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BURGERKRIEG)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 11:31am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/goodbye-sweet-spot-d/105702/16 "2018-06-11T11:31:00Z")
Traditionally in BF a bolt action is a high risk/reward weapon for a skilled shooter. Scouts/sniping weapon handling decreased in difficulty in Hardline, making them easier to handle and more lethal. I would say that sniping will be similar to that model. You will have high velocity and bullet penetration. A headshot is a OHK. Anything else will be damn near it, especially with the new health model. If you can’t land two shots to the torso at mid or close range, then it’s not the class for your level of ability. Differences in weapon handling can be subtle without such an overt mechanic that allows you to easily differentiate between them, however such concerns must take a back seat when designing the skill requirement for the weapon class as far as shooting mechanics are concerned IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Alphazetamu](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/alphazetamu/32/101187_2.png) [@Alphazetamu](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Alphazetamu)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 11:33am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/goodbye-sweet-spot-d/105702/17 "2018-06-11T11:33:00Z")
> [@BURGERKRIEG](#): > > You will have high velocity and bullet penetration. Is this confirmed or are you speculating? ---
**Author:** ![BURGERKRIEG](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@BURGERKRIEG](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BURGERKRIEG)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 11:52am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/goodbye-sweet-spot-d/105702/18 "2018-06-11T11:52:00Z")
Only the sweet spot mechanic going is confirmed. I watched this sniping video after watching Westie’s video. [![Video: Battlefield 5 SNIPER GAMEPLAY *RAW* Scout Class BFV + SNIPING HIGHLIGHTS Exclusive EA play footage](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/9/7/97796941313bc9c0b048d17163bced275070790b.jpeg "Battlefield 5 SNIPER GAMEPLAY \*RAW\* Scout Class BFV + SNIPING HIGHLIGHTS Exclusive EA play footage") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP9h0u1Swjg) What I’m saying is that based on that it looks similar to Hardline, especially the velocity. Its pure speculation. ---
**Author:** ![Alphazetamu](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/alphazetamu/32/101187_2.png) [@Alphazetamu](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Alphazetamu)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 11:54am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/goodbye-sweet-spot-d/105702/19 "2018-06-11T11:54:00Z")
My impression was that actually the bullet velocity of the kar98k is quite low - there’s quite a few shots at less than a 100m where you have several frames of bullet travel, whereas you don’t see this with the gewehr 98 from BF1… ---
**Author:** ![BURGERKRIEG](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@BURGERKRIEG](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BURGERKRIEG)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 1:16pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/goodbye-sweet-spot-d/105702/20 "2018-06-11T13:16:00Z")
> [@Alphazetamu](#): > > My impression was that actually the bullet velocity of the kar98k is quite low - there’s quite a few shots at less than a 100m where you have several frames of bullet travel, whereas you don’t see this with the gewehr 98 from BF1… Fair enough, I’ll take your word for it. I’m talking in general terms here, relating to the design ethos behind the rifles in the sniper class and why it might have changed back to models similar to pre BF1 games, like Hardline (yes sniper plagues are a concern). One thing is certain and that’s the gunplay as a whole has been changed radically, except this time they are being upfront about it and making sure the message is going out to the series fans before they get their hands on the game. [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/goodbye-sweet-spot-d/105702.md?page=2)