# Has anybody got any faith left in the developers of DICE at this point? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 25, 2019, 4:17pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/has-anybody-got-any-faith-left-in-the-developers-of-dice-at-this-point/107029 "2019-06-25T16:17:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![VOLBANKER](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/v/dec6dc/32.png) [@VOLBANKER](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/VOLBANKER)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 4:17pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/has-anybody-got-any-faith-left-in-the-developers-of-dice-at-this-point/107029/1 "2019-06-25T16:17:00Z")
First thing I see when logging on today after the update is some text in red saying there is a problem with Firestorm. Now, an hour later, it says they have disabled Firestorm and hope to have a fix ready for tomorrow. Don’t these guys TEST their updates before releasing them? For the zillionth time this makes me wonder if the developers (left) at DICE are competent at making and maintaining a AAA title. Does anyone - anyone at all - (still) believe in these guys? ---
**Author:** ![VOLBANKER](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/v/dec6dc/32.png) [@VOLBANKER](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/VOLBANKER)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 4:24pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/has-anybody-got-any-faith-left-in-the-developers-of-dice-at-this-point/107029/2 "2019-06-25T16:24:00Z")
One thing that would help is if DICE stopped doing these “Big Bang”-updates once or twice a month and made things this way instead: - Keep each update small and focused, i.e. the Firestorm changes of this update should be 1 separate update, then the Medic create / Ammo crate changes should be another separate update _at a later time_ and so on - Test each small and focused update intensely - Add it to the game and finally: - Make sure the changes in each small and focused update are working properly before introducing more updates It is much, much easier to handle changes this way as a developer. ---
**Author:** ![VOLBANKER](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/v/dec6dc/32.png) [@VOLBANKER](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/VOLBANKER)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 4:26pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/has-anybody-got-any-faith-left-in-the-developers-of-dice-at-this-point/107029/3 "2019-06-25T16:26:00Z")
Bugs in this kind of small and focused updates would be much, much simpler to find and fix. What’s more, we wouldn’t have a zillion different bugs in a zillion different parts of the game affecting a zillion of us players. ---
**Author:** ![ChickenTheTank](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/f6c823/32.png) [@ChickenTheTank](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ChickenTheTank)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 4:29pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/has-anybody-got-any-faith-left-in-the-developers-of-dice-at-this-point/107029/4 "2019-06-25T16:29:00Z")
As a coder, I completely understand how difficult it is to create and update something like BF5 and the Frostbite engine. THAT DOES NOT EXCUSE POOR CHANGE MANAGEMENT PROTOCOLS, OR POOR VALIDATION PRACTICES. DICE, your quality control department needs some significant help, or oversight, or possibly a change in management and team leads. ---
**Author:** ![RichardSinerface](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/ad7895/32.png) [@RichardSinerface](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/RichardSinerface)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 4:50pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/has-anybody-got-any-faith-left-in-the-developers-of-dice-at-this-point/107029/5 "2019-06-25T16:50:00Z")
DICE didn’t make Firestorm. Criterion did. Is there any wonder that DICE would mess it up with a patch? Did you not wonder why Firestorm seemed a bit better than multiplayer? With fewer bugs/issues? Now you know why. And know you know why Firestorm is going to go the same way as BF5 as Criterion is out of the picture and now its all up to DICE. I don’t hold any hope. I appreciate that the game is in a better place now than a couple of months ago but that really isn’t much of an achievement. Easy to go up when you are so close to the bottom. ---
**Author:** ![DrunkOnRedWine](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/drunkonredwine/32/101790_2.png) [@DrunkOnRedWine](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DrunkOnRedWine)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 4:50pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/has-anybody-got-any-faith-left-in-the-developers-of-dice-at-this-point/107029/6 "2019-06-25T16:50:00Z")
Losing faith rapidly. DICE / EA’s QA appears to be non existent. Pretty damn poor that so many easily spotted issues get through. Do they actually play-test the game? If they want to employ me as a playtester I’m available for £50k per year and if they throw in 50k Battlefield Currency I’m 100% theirs. On a side note - thanks for knifing me last night VOLBANKER, I only stuck around because I saw you on then I realised Fjell CQ is dreadful so had to go. I actually kind of enjoyed being knifed by someone I kind or know - reminds me of BF clan days 😃 ---
**Author:** ![hkeric8280](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/58f4c7/32.png) [@hkeric8280](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/hkeric8280)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 5:08pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/has-anybody-got-any-faith-left-in-the-developers-of-dice-at-this-point/107029/7 "2019-06-25T17:08:00Z")
FPS dropping problem become more often since this new patch ---
**Author:** ![VOLBANKER](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/v/dec6dc/32.png) [@VOLBANKER](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/VOLBANKER)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 5:19pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/has-anybody-got-any-faith-left-in-the-developers-of-dice-at-this-point/107029/8 "2019-06-25T17:19:00Z")
> [@DrunkOnRedWine](#): > > On a side note - thanks for knifing me last night VOLBANKER, I only stuck around because I saw you on then I realised Fjell CQ is dreadful so had to go. I actually kind of enjoyed being knifed by someone I kind or know - reminds me of BF clan days 😃 Haha 🙂 TBH I didn’t even notice I melee’d you and btw. knives ain’t my thing - I’m a shovel-guy B) Yes, it’s much more fun when people you “know” are online. I’ve seen a few of the guys from this forum. Will send a friend request ! ---
**Author:** ![Ceph777](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/45deac/32.png) [@Ceph777](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Ceph777)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 5:23pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/has-anybody-got-any-faith-left-in-the-developers-of-dice-at-this-point/107029/9 "2019-06-25T17:23:00Z")
I have ZERO trust in EA. ---
**Author:** ![VuxenMys](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/v/cc9497/32.png) [@VuxenMys](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/VuxenMys)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 5:30pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/has-anybody-got-any-faith-left-in-the-developers-of-dice-at-this-point/107029/10 "2019-06-25T17:30:00Z")
short answer: no long answer: noooooooooooo ---
**Author:** ![YourLocalPlumber](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/yourlocalplumber/32/103277_2.png) [@YourLocalPlumber](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/YourLocalPlumber)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 5:36pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/has-anybody-got-any-faith-left-in-the-developers-of-dice-at-this-point/107029/11 "2019-06-25T17:36:00Z")
> [@DrunkOnRedWine](#): > > Losing faith rapidly. DICE / EA’s QA appears to be non existent. Pretty damn poor that so many easily spotted issues get through. Do they actually play-test the game? If they want to employ me as a playtester I’m available for £50k per year and if they throw in 50k Battlefield Currency I’m 100% theirs. > > On a side note - thanks for knifing me last night VOLBANKER, I only stuck around because I saw you on then I realised Fjell CQ is dreadful so had to go. I actually kind of enjoyed being knifed by someone I kind or know - reminds me of BF clan days 😃 I’ll do it for 35k euros per year, no problem. ---
**Author:** ![Halcyon\_Creed\_N7](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/halcyon_creed_n7/32/100954_2.png) [@Halcyon\_Creed\_N7](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Halcyon_Creed_N7)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 5:37pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/has-anybody-got-any-faith-left-in-the-developers-of-dice-at-this-point/107029/12 "2019-06-25T17:37:00Z")
I haven’t liked a DICE game for 6 years. I had a pretty intense hatred of BF1 for a long time, but after playing BFV I look back and maybe it wasn’t so bad, comparatively. ---
**Author:** ![MarxistDictator](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/marxistdictator/32/102751_2.png) [@MarxistDictator](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MarxistDictator)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 5:47pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/has-anybody-got-any-faith-left-in-the-developers-of-dice-at-this-point/107029/13 "2019-06-25T17:47:00Z")
I think I played BF V once so far this year so no. I just wanted to use the Chauchat which looks like its never going to be put in game. The fact that DICE has been dumping gas on the fire in the meantime is inconsequential to me since for once I’m not their guinea pig testing their half baked game destroying updates. I’m only hanging on for the Russians/maybe the next game if its not trash like some generic BF4 style modern combat reboot. ---
**Author:** ![spartanx169x](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/dfb087/32.png) [@spartanx169x](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/spartanx169x)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 5:49pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/has-anybody-got-any-faith-left-in-the-developers-of-dice-at-this-point/107029/14 "2019-06-25T17:49:00Z")
The last time I checked, DICE has been short staffed for a while now. Significant positions that from what I can tell COULD be having an impact on how this game has being managed. I stress could because obviously I have no official internal information on how its actually being managed. It appears at least to me that from the beginning, the B team has been making this game. Then add to that, a continued lack of staff for possibly months, and you see the results. Additionally, I think EA has purposefully went cheap as possible with the servers at the sacrifice of decent game quality. It will take a scathing article from Kotaku(Or similar) on the server quality that is bad enough to hit main stream news before any real change takes place. ---
**Author:** ![SirBobdk](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sirbobdk/32/103491_2.png) [@SirBobdk](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SirBobdk)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 5:50pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/has-anybody-got-any-faith-left-in-the-developers-of-dice-at-this-point/107029/15 "2019-06-25T17:50:00Z")
Trust disappeared a long time ago. I get ticks every time a patch is announced knowing it will break something. ---
**Author:** ![idk1233211](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/e19adc/32.png) [@idk1233211](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/idk1233211)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 5:53pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/has-anybody-got-any-faith-left-in-the-developers-of-dice-at-this-point/107029/16 "2019-06-25T17:53:00Z")
just quite like the rest of us has, me and all my mates play bf4 in the evening after work, and i also play leage of legends. life is so much more peaceful with out this bfv rubbish in my life. ---
**Author:** ![X\_Sunslayer\_X](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/278dde/32.png) [@X\_Sunslayer\_X](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/X_Sunslayer_X)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 5:57pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/has-anybody-got-any-faith-left-in-the-developers-of-dice-at-this-point/107029/17 "2019-06-25T17:57:00Z")
well at least i am sure that BF2020 will be the breaking point of DICE and BF as a whole. if they continue this trend that has been creeping in since BF4 basically of releasing clearly unfinished products (BF1 was a lot more stable but balance-wise needed a lot more work and it took BF1 as well the better part of a year to get that in the right direction) i dont see the franchise ever being as popular again or considered a studio staple since i reckon EA will hit DICE with a closure hammer like so many more talented studios in the past… but hey at least we dont get insulted anymore by which is nice… MAybe BFV will be finished before BF2020 rolls out though i have no real hope at this point and the only thing keeping me in the game are a few friends i squad up with every once in a while… ---
**Author:** ![idk1233211](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/e19adc/32.png) [@idk1233211](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/idk1233211)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 6:10pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/has-anybody-got-any-faith-left-in-the-developers-of-dice-at-this-point/107029/18 "2019-06-25T18:10:00Z")
> [@X\_Sunslayer\_X](#): > > well at least i am sure that BF2020 will be the breaking point of DICE and BF as a whole. > if they continue this trend that has been creeping in since BF4 basically of releasing clearly unfinished products (BF1 was a lot more stable but balance-wise needed a lot more work and it took BF1 as well the better part of a year to get that in the right direction) i dont see the franchise ever being as popular again or considered a studio staple since i reckon EA will hit DICE with a closure hammer like so many more talented studios in the past… > > but hey at least we dont get insulted anymore by which is nice… > MAybe BFV will be finished before BF2020 rolls out though i have no real hope at this point and the only thing keeping me in the game are a few friends i squad up with every once in a while… as soon as bf2020 comes out bfv will loose all support ---
**Author:** ![xBCxSEALxTEAMx6](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/97f17d/32.png) [@xBCxSEALxTEAMx6](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/xBCxSEALxTEAMx6)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 6:21pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/has-anybody-got-any-faith-left-in-the-developers-of-dice-at-this-point/107029/19 "2019-06-25T18:21:00Z")
> [@spartanx169x](#): > > The last time I checked, DICE has been short staffed for a while now. Significant positions that from what I can tell COULD be having an impact on how this game has being managed. I stress could because obviously I have no official internal information on how its actually being managed. It appears at least to me that from the beginning, the B team has been making this game. Then add to that, a continued lack of staff for possibly months, and you see the results. Additionally, I think EA has purposefully went cheap as possible with the servers at the sacrifice of decent game quality. It will take a scathing article from Kotaku(Or similar) on the server quality that is bad enough to hit main stream news before any real change takes place. Do you think maybe sacking DICE, or bringing Criterion in with much more of a roll on BF may be the answer? I’m not saying this at all as to bash DICE, but as was said, Criterion seemed to have done a pretty decent job with Firestorm, even though i don’t play it, but have not seen as much backlash about the overall quality of it, as we’ve seen with the base game. And that being said, Battlefront 2 ended up to be a pretty decent game truth be told, and only seems to get better. Maybe getting DICE out of the lead seat, and bringing in Criterion may be the answer to BF’s woes. I’m just not versed enough to know how much Criterion has on it’s plate right now, and if DICE LA was meant to lead this from here on in, it’s obviously not doing well at that. ---
**Author:** ![Turban\_Legend80](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/turban_legend80/32/102395_2.png) [@Turban\_Legend80](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Turban_Legend80)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 6:32pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/has-anybody-got-any-faith-left-in-the-developers-of-dice-at-this-point/107029/20 "2019-06-25T18:32:00Z")
I have 100% faith the next game they develop is another one I won’t buy [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/has-anybody-got-any-faith-left-in-the-developers-of-dice-at-this-point/107029.md?page=2)