# How to Balance/Fix Jets **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 31, 2013, 4:53am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614 "2013-10-31T04:53:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Bfizzle62](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Bfizzle62](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Bfizzle62)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 9:43pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/261 "2013-11-02T21:43:00Z")
I feel like I’m tickling enemy jets when i shoot them ---
**Author:** ![aircool53](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/439d5e/32.png) [@aircool53](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/aircool53)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 9:44pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/262 "2013-11-02T21:44:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Golden\_Darknezz said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _skullreaper1246 said:_ > > Could someone confirm this for me: Currently the attack jets have a better turn-radius than the F35 & J20 stealth jets when afterburners aren’t needed (I.e. doing loop the loop). > > > > I ask because I used to be a semi-decent pilot on BF3 -I could win in most dogfights (Until I ran into the real pro’s, at which point 9 times out of 10 I died lol)… > > > > … but here? I m currently only playing as a Stealth Pilot (since I love air to air combat) and more often than not I m getting my ass handed to me - not by other stealth pilots, but by attack jets (Getting outmaneuvered by a frigging A10!!!). > > > > My cannons also seem to be utterly ineffective… I ve resorted to doing sweeping attacks with passive-missiles fired at almost point-blank range, followed by me looping around and praying I can finish them off, or otherwise reacquire laser-lock for my missiles… > > > > If stealth jets really are this bad: I m actually kinda happy since it means I m not as terrible a pilot as I was beginning to think I am ☹ > > > > I do, however, think they should be dominating the air war, while the attack jets are better against ground targets. > > > > Anyway… guess I ll go back and put my new found knowledge (That attack jets can’t afterburn) to use (I guess i m going to have to get better at doing loop the loop against attack jets on my tail :D) > > Stealth jets are currently underpowered as hell. J-20 and F-35 only go to about 8-9 G’s MAX while the Su-50 can go to an absurd 15G’s. All attack jets have been confirmed to achieve 9-11.9G’s. Therefor they will outmaneuver Stealth unless you’re in the Su-50. Well the F-35 and J-20 should turn like the SU-50, this way the stealth jets can out turn the attack jets. Plus it highlights their role as air superiority fighters. ---
**Author:** ![HelIoMeow](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/a4c791/32.png) [@HelIoMeow](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/HelIoMeow)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 9:48pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/263 "2013-11-02T21:48:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _aircool53 said:_ > Well the F-35 and J-20 should turn like the SU-50, this way the stealth jets can out turn the attack jets. Plus it highlights their role as air superiority fighters. Don’t you think that the SU-50 is a bit too maneuverable? It would be fine if all jets would have the same stats. The stealth jets would still have the afterburner, which would give them a fair advantage. And of course, the stealth jets should be able to deal damage. ---
**Author:** ![Bfizzle62](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Bfizzle62](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Bfizzle62)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 9:51pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/264 "2013-11-02T21:51:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _KoningStoma said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _aircool53 said:_ > > Well the F-35 and J-20 should turn like the SU-50, this way the stealth jets can out turn the attack jets. Plus it highlights their role as air superiority fighters. > > Don’t you think that the SU-50 is a bit too maneuverable? > > It would be fine if all jets would have the same stats. The stealth jets would still have the afterburner, which would give them a fair advantage. And of course, the stealth jets should be able to deal damage. That would be perfectly fine by me ---
**Author:** ![MacedonianSukhoi](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@MacedonianSukhoi](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MacedonianSukhoi)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 9:53pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/265 "2013-11-02T21:53:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _aircool53 said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _Golden\_Darknezz said:_ > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _skullreaper1246 said:_ > > > Could someone confirm this for me: Currently the attack jets have a better turn-radius than the F35 & J20 stealth jets when afterburners aren’t needed (I.e. doing loop the loop). > > > > > > I ask because I used to be a semi-decent pilot on BF3 -I could win in most dogfights (Until I ran into the real pro’s, at which point 9 times out of 10 I died lol)… > > > > > > … but here? I m currently only playing as a Stealth Pilot (since I love air to air combat) and more often than not I m getting my ass handed to me - not by other stealth pilots, but by attack jets (Getting outmaneuvered by a frigging A10!!!). > > > > > > My cannons also seem to be utterly ineffective… I ve resorted to doing sweeping attacks with passive-missiles fired at almost point-blank range, followed by me looping around and praying I can finish them off, or otherwise reacquire laser-lock for my missiles… > > > > > > If stealth jets really are this bad: I m actually kinda happy since it means I m not as terrible a pilot as I was beginning to think I am ☹ > > > > > > I do, however, think they should be dominating the air war, while the attack jets are better against ground targets. > > > > > > Anyway… guess I ll go back and put my new found knowledge (That attack jets can’t afterburn) to use (I guess i m going to have to get better at doing loop the loop against attack jets on my tail :D) > > > > Stealth jets are currently underpowered as hell. J-20 and F-35 only go to about 8-9 G’s MAX while the Su-50 can go to an absurd 15G’s. All attack jets have been confirmed to achieve 9-11.9G’s. Therefor they will outmaneuver Stealth unless you’re in the Su-50. > > Well the F-35 and J-20 should turn like the SU-50, this way the stealth jets can out turn the attack jets. Plus it highlights their role as air superiority fighters. The J-20 should but the F-35 would have an advantage because of its VTOL that is why the F-35 is a pain in the ass to Balance out. ---
**Author:** ![Bfizzle62](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Bfizzle62](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Bfizzle62)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 9:56pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/266 "2013-11-02T21:56:00Z")
The F35’s VTOL will never be that effective unless below radar is brought back to the game ---
**Author:** ![MacedonianSukhoi](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@MacedonianSukhoi](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MacedonianSukhoi)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 10:03pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/267 "2013-11-02T22:03:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Bfizzle62 said:_ > The F35’s VTOL will never be that effective unless below radar is brought back to the game Yes but its still something that the other 2 Jets don’t have. The F-22 doesn’t have that so if Dice implemented the F-22 instead of the F-35 they wouldn’t have to worry about balancing out the VTOL. All of the 3 Stealth Jets would have behaved the same. ---
**Author:** ![USSWISCONSIN94](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/u/919ad9/32.png) [@USSWISCONSIN94](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/USSWISCONSIN94)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 11:24pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/268 "2013-11-02T23:24:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Golden\_Darknezz said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _HellHathNoMercy said:_ > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _USSWISCONSIN90 said:_ > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > _HellHathNoMercy said:_ > > > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > > > _USSWISCONSIN90 said:_ > > > > > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > _madarHR said:_ > > > > > > J20,F30 and Su50 all need to have same stats > > > > > > its unfair that su50 can turn twice as fast as j20 > > > > > > symetrical balance is what is needed SKILL>unlocks and stats > > > > > > > > > > F-30? ok. Anyway. > > > > > > > > > > They should not have same stats but stats that counter each other. > > > > > > > > Maybe.. but if the SU-50 had higher turning speed and perhaps the J-20 had more damage … i still see the SU-50 being more dominant ☹ > > > > > > good point. > > > > > > but if anything. Think they should drop the F-35 and put in the F-22. IMO > > > > i completely agree with your opinion 🙂 > > They are not going too. 😕 Bastards… ---
**Author:** ![Kupaaaaaa](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/9de0a6/32.png) [@Kupaaaaaa](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Kupaaaaaa)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 11:28pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/269 "2013-11-02T23:28:00Z")
I like the new jet / view : ( Honestly people, if you were good @bf 3 you will be good @bf 4 just need to see the jet whores from bf 3 : they don’t experience what you are saying because they are already good. But yea, stealth jet need some balance and the SU 50 certainly a nerf, there is no possibility to win a dogfight against it with any jet if the player is good, way too fast / responsive. But no, they don’t need the OP canons that everyone wants because “it’s d4rk to kill in one spread everything while I have a crazy maneuverablity.!!” If Dice was listening to all the players I believe the balance would be worst than today ; ( ---
**Author:** ![Strac\_CRO](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/f07891/32.png) [@Strac\_CRO](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Strac_CRO)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 11:32pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/270 "2013-11-02T23:32:00Z")
and make AA missile killing jet in one shot and/or significantly extend their lock-range ---
**Author:** ![Scr3wby](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/a698b9/32.png) [@Scr3wby](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Scr3wby)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 11:34pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/271 "2013-11-02T23:34:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Kupaaaaaa said:_ > I like the new jet / view : ( > > Honestly people, if you were good @bf 3 you will be good @bf 4 just need to see the jet whores from bf 3 : they don’t experience what you are saying because they are already good. > > But yea, stealth jet need some balance and the SU 50 certainly a nerf, there is no possibility to win a dogfight against it with any jet if the player is good, way too fast / responsive. Heh, most of the people posting on this thread are some of the biggest jet whores, competitive team players and pro dogfighters from BF3. They’re already talking and saying it’s crap atm. I’m even a filthy whore, but I’m a nun compared to a few of these guys… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Kupaaaaaa](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/9de0a6/32.png) [@Kupaaaaaa](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Kupaaaaaa)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 11:45pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/272 "2013-11-02T23:45:00Z")
Lol no, if they were good they would not lame all day instead of play. Just need to check youtube with people doing 60 - X (oftenly less than 5 deaths). But yea, the lame on stealth jet is legit, they definitly need a balance. The lame on the view is just because they don’t want to adapt and they were super happy to rape when it was possible to see everything around you even while looping. Sry now u need a lit more skill, i know, that sux : ( Me too I miss the “WOOOOOO ONE SPREAD I OS EVERYTHING SO GOOOOOOD” but omg let be realist : that was totaly broken. A good jet player would dominate all the game in bf3 without a problem. So yea, no more hard rape w/e is the skill of the dudes in the ennemy team. I know a lot of you are missing the fact that the rocket pod was super easy to use and strong, but plz, stop lie to yourself : that was just OP. ---
**Author:** ![BambiFairy](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/f1d935/32.png) [@BambiFairy](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BambiFairy)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 11:47pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/273 "2013-11-02T23:47:00Z")
Just extend the flyable area and it’s all fine by me. If you dare to buff even more, then remove/reduce 3D spotting from jets. ---
**Author:** ![HelIoMeow](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/a4c791/32.png) [@HelIoMeow](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/HelIoMeow)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 11:50pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/274 "2013-11-02T23:50:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Kupaaaaaa said:_ > Lol no, if they were good they would not lame all day instead of play. Just need to check youtube with people doing 60 - X (oftenly less than 5 deaths). > > But yea, the lame on stealth jet is legit, they definitly need a balance. > The lame on the view is just because they don’t want to adapt and they were super happy to rape when it was possible to see everything around you even while looping. Sry now u need a lit more skill, i know, that sux : ( > > Me too I miss the "WOOOOOO ONE SPREAD I OS EVERYTHING SO GOOOOOOD" but omg let be realist : that was totaly broken. A good jet player would dominate all the game in bf3 without a problem. So yea, no more hard rape w/e is the skill of the dudes in the ennemy team. I know a lot of you are missing the fact that the rocket pod was super easy to use and strong, but plz, stop lie to yourself : that was just OP. Aren’t the stealth jets what most people are talking about? ---
**Author:** ![Kupaaaaaa](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/9de0a6/32.png) [@Kupaaaaaa](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Kupaaaaaa)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 11:52pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/275 "2013-11-02T23:52:00Z")
Stealth jet + laming on the new view + damage done. They just want to be the ultimate jet whore like @bf3. While the stealth jet lame is legit + a lit of his damage (no, the stealth jet should not be super strong against ground, yes I don’t like that too but it’s better the way it is if one day they really become @air to air superior). The new view lame is… lame. Plz Dice, let it like that ; ( The attack jet are doing already enough damage against ground, one spread of gunship + some hydra and bye everything almost blow with that. ---
**Author:** ![rocafellaF35](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/b19c9b/32.png) [@rocafellaF35](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/rocafellaF35)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2013, 12:04am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/276 "2013-11-03T00:04:00Z")
/Signed. The cannon needs a major buff against other jets. Either that or decrease the reload time for AA missiles by a TON. If there is 4 on the wings, why does it take 20 seconds to load the other two after firing the first set ? ---
**Author:** ![iDF-Prudhoe\_tAf](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@iDF-Prudhoe\_tAf](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/iDF-Prudhoe_tAf)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2013, 12:52am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/277 "2013-11-03T00:52:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Kupaaaaaa said:_ > Stealth jet + laming on the new view + damage done. They just want to be the ultimate jet whore like @bf3. > > While the stealth jet lame is legit + a lit of his damage (no, the stealth jet should not be super strong against ground, yes I don’t like that too but it’s better the way it is if one day they really become @air to air superior). > > The new view lame is… lame. Plz Dice, let it like that ; ( > > The attack jet are doing already enough damage against ground, one spread of gunship + some hydra and bye everything almost blow with that. Kupaaaaaaa I think u never did a true dogfight..right? cause if u would have done u would also complain about the dump 3rd person view and this view has not much to do wich raping but propper fights are not possible. If we are geting back the old view doesnt mean we are raping a whole round (the 3rd person cam is not the reason for raping a whole round) but air fight is much better after that. Yeah as u said its possible to do 60:5 with a jet but with the attack jet…the stealth jet is useless! ---
**Author:** ![Golden\_Darknezz](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Golden\_Darknezz](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Golden_Darknezz)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2013, 1:22am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/278 "2013-11-03T01:22:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Kupaaaaaa said:_ > I like the new jet / view : ( > > Honestly people, if you were good @bf 3 you will be good @bf 4 just need to see the jet whores from bf 3 : they don’t experience what you are saying because they are already good. > > But yea, stealth jet need some balance and the SU 50 certainly a nerf, there is no possibility to win a dogfight against it with any jet if the player is good, way too fast / responsive. But no, they don’t need the OP canons that everyone wants because "it’s d4rk to kill in one spread everything while I have a crazy maneuverablity.!!" If Dice was listening to all the players I believe the balance would be worst than today ; ( I am THE Golden\_Darknezz. You obviously don’t know who you’re talking too. 😉 All of us BF3 dogfight veterans hate the new camera because it makes dogfighting random. And we didn’t dominate BF3 pub because the jets were OP, it was because no one except a select few didn’t know how to use MAA correctly. Also, your opinion on the jets of BF4 is quite tipsy, as you have never done a PRO dogfight from BF3 before. ---
**Author:** ![Strac\_CRO](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/f07891/32.png) [@Strac\_CRO](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Strac_CRO)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2013, 1:27am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/279 "2013-11-03T01:27:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Golden\_Darknezz said:_ > … > All of us BF3 dogfight veterans hate the new camera because it makes dogfighting random. how about completely removing 3rd person view for any air-land-sea vehicle ? ---
**Author:** ![Golden\_Darknezz](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Golden\_Darknezz](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Golden_Darknezz)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2013, 1:28am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/280 "2013-11-03T01:28:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _StracCRO said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _Golden\_Darknezz said:_ > > … > > All of us BF3 dogfight veterans hate the new camera because it makes dogfighting random. > > how about completely removing 3rd person view for any air-land-sea vehicle ? NO. This isn’t hardcore baby cakes. [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614.md?page=13) [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614.md?page=15)