# How to Balance/Fix Jets **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 31, 2013, 4:53am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614 "2013-10-31T04:53:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Tunnelrat2k](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@Tunnelrat2k](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Tunnelrat2k)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2013, 7:51pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/361 "2013-12-24T19:51:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Neo2450 said:_ > Where were you when everyone else were complaining about jets? We’re a bunch self-righteous whiners? LOL. If you had seen the state of the forums back in BF3 about jets being "OP". Basically what happened was, that once in a blue moon, some noob was graced to gaze upon the brilliance of 1 pilot going 50-0 and immediately came to the forums and started crying about jets being "OP". Although he had forgotten the other 5000+ games where there were no skilled pilots in them. That one time, where an exceptional display was performed immediately became the benchmark by which jets were measured and balanced upon. That is why someone like you, that hadn’t been here and seen the history of how jets and choppers alike were severely changed patch after patch, can’t see why we are complaining now. We literally had to go into empty servers to relearn some of the most basic stuff that we already knew after every patch. > > Now you come along and tell us that WE are a bunch of whiners? I pray thee not to speak of what thou dost not know. The designers obviously saw some flaw in previous BF dynamic and have change it, whether they change it to make the majority of the casual players happy or flying machines were OP. The money is where the majority is. If pilots are the majority, what kind of game would it be now? It is becoming apparent that each BF that comes out significantly different from the previous in terms of vehicle, so is it that big of a suprise that it wasn’t going to work the same in BF3? It appears that the direction they chose is everything is vulnerable to infantry. Well if we did consider the past, its no suprise that there might be past players who have some kind of grudge against pilots and taking off is pretty hard (heli). Jets…they are not going to be shot down by a player unless a jet gets too close and have the advantage of out OB region that other vehicle do not. Air space should be bigger, I definetly agree. Personally I love to see jets at the top of the food chain with a higher ceiling than anything else, but only for air superiority and not very effiecient for ground anything. Attack planes next which the jet plane is its natural predator. (Personally I think asking for a limited/special conquest map for those players would have been better and easier to obtain) ANYWAYS… Nice quote but your using it wrongly. I am talking about here and now, which doesn’t pertain to the past BF’s. The whiners are all generally the same, they are selfish and don’t think of anythig but of their own needs and wants. The pilots that are not asking for the world or crying about how everyone but themselves suck…etc, I have no problem with them. The appear to be the small minority of pilots and probably don’t voice their opinion much, its the whiners and self rightious pilots that I despise the most for being so self absorbed. For the rude ones, I am glad that MAA just makes their playing experence, and are probably getting everything you deserve. The more humble pilots, sorry it went this route. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity\_RaptorC](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/v/b19c9b/32.png) [@Velocity\_RaptorC](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Velocity_RaptorC)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2013, 10:05pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/362 "2013-12-24T22:05:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Tunnelrat2k said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _Neo2450 said:_ > > Where were you when everyone else were complaining about jets? We’re a bunch self-righteous whiners? LOL. If you had seen the state of the forums back in BF3 about jets being "OP". Basically what happened was, that once in a blue moon, some noob was graced to gaze upon the brilliance of 1 pilot going 50-0 and immediately came to the forums and started crying about jets being "OP". Although he had forgotten the other 5000+ games where there were no skilled pilots in them. That one time, where an exceptional display was performed immediately became the benchmark by which jets were measured and balanced upon. That is why someone like you, that hadn’t been here and seen the history of how jets and choppers alike were severely changed patch after patch, can’t see why we are complaining now. We literally had to go into empty servers to relearn some of the most basic stuff that we already knew after every patch. > > > > Now you come along and tell us that WE are a bunch of whiners? I pray thee not to speak of what thou dost not know. > > The designers obviously saw some flaw in previous BF dynamic and have change it, whether they change it to make the majority of the casual players happy or flying machines were OP. The money is where the majority is. If pilots are the majority, what kind of game would it be now? It is becoming apparent that each BF that comes out significantly different from the previous in terms of vehicle, so is it that big of a suprise that it wasn’t going to work the same in BF3? It appears that the direction they chose is everything is vulnerable to infantry. Well if we did consider the past, its no suprise that there might be past players who have some kind of grudge against pilots and taking off is pretty hard (heli). Jets…they are not going to be shot down by a player unless a jet gets too close and have the advantage of out OB region that other vehicle do not. Air space should be bigger, I definetly agree. > > Personally I love to see jets at the top of the food chain with a higher ceiling than anything else, but only for air superiority and not very effiecient for ground anything. Attack planes next which the jet plane is its natural predator. (Personally I think asking for a limited/special conquest map for those players would have been better and easier to obtain) > > ANYWAYS… > > Nice quote but your using it wrongly. I am talking about here and now, which doesn’t pertain to the past BF’s. The whiners are all generally the same, they are selfish and don’t think of anythig but of their own needs and wants. The pilots that are not asking for the world or crying about how everyone but themselves suck…etc, I have no problem with them. The appear to be the small minority of pilots and probably don’t voice their opinion much, its the whiners and self rightious pilots that I despise the most for being so self absorbed. > > For the rude ones, I am glad that MAA just makes their playing experence, and are probably getting everything you deserve. The more humble pilots, sorry it went this route. Really, if the money was in where the majority is why is this game selling less than BF3? ---
**Author:** ![Neo2450](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Neo2450](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Neo2450)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2013, 2:43am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/363 "2013-12-25T02:43:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Velocity\_RaptorC said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _Tunnelrat2k said:_ > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _Neo2450 said:_ > > > Where were you when everyone else were complaining about jets? We’re a bunch self-righteous whiners? LOL. If you had seen the state of the forums back in BF3 about jets being "OP". Basically what happened was, that once in a blue moon, some noob was graced to gaze upon the brilliance of 1 pilot going 50-0 and immediately came to the forums and started crying about jets being "OP". Although he had forgotten the other 5000+ games where there were no skilled pilots in them. That one time, where an exceptional display was performed immediately became the benchmark by which jets were measured and balanced upon. That is why someone like you, that hadn’t been here and seen the history of how jets and choppers alike were severely changed patch after patch, can’t see why we are complaining now. We literally had to go into empty servers to relearn some of the most basic stuff that we already knew after every patch. > > > > > > Now you come along and tell us that WE are a bunch of whiners? I pray thee not to speak of what thou dost not know. > > > > The designers obviously saw some flaw in previous BF dynamic and have change it, whether they change it to make the majority of the casual players happy or flying machines were OP. The money is where the majority is. If pilots are the majority, what kind of game would it be now? It is becoming apparent that each BF that comes out significantly different from the previous in terms of vehicle, so is it that big of a suprise that it wasn’t going to work the same in BF3? It appears that the direction they chose is everything is vulnerable to infantry. Well if we did consider the past, its no suprise that there might be past players who have some kind of grudge against pilots and taking off is pretty hard (heli). Jets…they are not going to be shot down by a player unless a jet gets too close and have the advantage of out OB region that other vehicle do not. Air space should be bigger, I definetly agree. > > > > Personally I love to see jets at the top of the food chain with a higher ceiling than anything else, but only for air superiority and not very effiecient for ground anything. Attack planes next which the jet plane is its natural predator. (Personally I think asking for a limited/special conquest map for those players would have been better and easier to obtain) > > > > ANYWAYS… > > > > Nice quote but your using it wrongly. I am talking about here and now, which doesn’t pertain to the past BF’s. The whiners are all generally the same, they are selfish and don’t think of anythig but of their own needs and wants. The pilots that are not asking for the world or crying about how everyone but themselves suck…etc, I have no problem with them. The appear to be the small minority of pilots and probably don’t voice their opinion much, its the whiners and self rightious pilots that I despise the most for being so self absorbed. > > > > For the rude ones, I am glad that MAA just makes their playing experence, and are probably getting everything you deserve. The more humble pilots, sorry it went this route. > > Really, if the money was in where the majority is why is this game selling less than BF3? This is true. BF3, according to some website, sold three times the amount of copies than BF4 in the first two to three months. ---
**Author:** ![AmF-Murderin](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@AmF-Murderin](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/AmF-Murderin)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2013, 2:43am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/364 "2013-12-25T02:43:00Z")
You Slap guys change your names more than a cheap hooker. ---
**Author:** ![giantqtipz](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/71e660/32.png) [@giantqtipz](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/giantqtipz)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2013, 3:13am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/365 "2013-12-25T03:13:00Z")
I dominated with jets a few days ago 9000ish points. I believe i had 20ish kills? I fly first person cuz of hardcore mode. I never relied on third person because its useless ---
**Author:** ![SLAP-Darknezz](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@SLAP-Darknezz](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SLAP-Darknezz)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2013, 3:58am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/366 "2013-12-25T03:58:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _AmF-Murderin said:_ > You Slap guys change your names more than a cheap hooker. I do lol. And that’s because I am bored. ---
**Author:** ![Tunnelrat2k](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@Tunnelrat2k](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Tunnelrat2k)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2013, 4:03am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/367 "2013-12-25T04:03:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Velocity\_RaptorC said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _Tunnelrat2k said:_ > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _Neo2450 said:_ > > > Where were you when everyone else were complaining about jets? We’re a bunch self-righteous whiners? LOL. If you had seen the state of the forums back in BF3 about jets being "OP". Basically what happened was, that once in a blue moon, some noob was graced to gaze upon the brilliance of 1 pilot going 50-0 and immediately came to the forums and started crying about jets being "OP". Although he had forgotten the other 5000+ games where there were no skilled pilots in them. That one time, where an exceptional display was performed immediately became the benchmark by which jets were measured and balanced upon. That is why someone like you, that hadn’t been here and seen the history of how jets and choppers alike were severely changed patch after patch, can’t see why we are complaining now. We literally had to go into empty servers to relearn some of the most basic stuff that we already knew after every patch. > > > > > > Now you come along and tell us that WE are a bunch of whiners? I pray thee not to speak of what thou dost not know. > > > > The designers obviously saw some flaw in previous BF dynamic and have change it, whether they change it to make the majority of the casual players happy or flying machines were OP. The money is where the majority is. If pilots are the majority, what kind of game would it be now? It is becoming apparent that each BF that comes out significantly different from the previous in terms of vehicle, so is it that big of a suprise that it wasn’t going to work the same in BF3? It appears that the direction they chose is everything is vulnerable to infantry. Well if we did consider the past, its no suprise that there might be past players who have some kind of grudge against pilots and taking off is pretty hard (heli). Jets…they are not going to be shot down by a player unless a jet gets too close and have the advantage of out OB region that other vehicle do not. Air space should be bigger, I definetly agree. > > > > Personally I love to see jets at the top of the food chain with a higher ceiling than anything else, but only for air superiority and not very effiecient for ground anything. Attack planes next which the jet plane is its natural predator. (Personally I think asking for a limited/special conquest map for those players would have been better and easier to obtain) > > > > ANYWAYS… > > > > Nice quote but your using it wrongly. I am talking about here and now, which doesn’t pertain to the past BF’s. The whiners are all generally the same, they are selfish and don’t think of anythig but of their own needs and wants. The pilots that are not asking for the world or crying about how everyone but themselves suck…etc, I have no problem with them. The appear to be the small minority of pilots and probably don’t voice their opinion much, its the whiners and self rightious pilots that I despise the most for being so self absorbed. > > > > For the rude ones, I am glad that MAA just makes their playing experence, and are probably getting everything you deserve. The more humble pilots, sorry it went this route. > > Really, if the money was in where the majority is why is this game selling less than BF3? I would imagine next gen consoles had huge impact on sales so a direct comparison would be pointless. BF4 came out before ps4 or xbox one were available so just imagine the number of people who waited for the next gen console before buying the game. The sales will probable take a huge spike compared to earlier release, but considering they outsold COD for the first time shows promise. ---
**Author:** ![SLAP-Darknezz](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@SLAP-Darknezz](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SLAP-Darknezz)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2013, 5:40am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/368 "2013-12-25T05:40:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Tunnelrat2k said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _Velocity\_RaptorC said:_ > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _Tunnelrat2k said:_ > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > _Neo2450 said:_ > > > > Where were you when everyone else were complaining about jets? We’re a bunch self-righteous whiners? LOL. If you had seen the state of the forums back in BF3 about jets being "OP". Basically what happened was, that once in a blue moon, some noob was graced to gaze upon the brilliance of 1 pilot going 50-0 and immediately came to the forums and started crying about jets being "OP". Although he had forgotten the other 5000+ games where there were no skilled pilots in them. That one time, where an exceptional display was performed immediately became the benchmark by which jets were measured and balanced upon. That is why someone like you, that hadn’t been here and seen the history of how jets and choppers alike were severely changed patch after patch, can’t see why we are complaining now. We literally had to go into empty servers to relearn some of the most basic stuff that we already knew after every patch. > > > > > > > > Now you come along and tell us that WE are a bunch of whiners? I pray thee not to speak of what thou dost not know. > > > > > > The designers obviously saw some flaw in previous BF dynamic and have change it, whether they change it to make the majority of the casual players happy or flying machines were OP. The money is where the majority is. If pilots are the majority, what kind of game would it be now? It is becoming apparent that each BF that comes out significantly different from the previous in terms of vehicle, so is it that big of a suprise that it wasn’t going to work the same in BF3? It appears that the direction they chose is everything is vulnerable to infantry. Well if we did consider the past, its no suprise that there might be past players who have some kind of grudge against pilots and taking off is pretty hard (heli). Jets…they are not going to be shot down by a player unless a jet gets too close and have the advantage of out OB region that other vehicle do not. Air space should be bigger, I definetly agree. > > > > > > Personally I love to see jets at the top of the food chain with a higher ceiling than anything else, but only for air superiority and not very effiecient for ground anything. Attack planes next which the jet plane is its natural predator. (Personally I think asking for a limited/special conquest map for those players would have been better and easier to obtain) > > > > > > ANYWAYS… > > > > > > Nice quote but your using it wrongly. I am talking about here and now, which doesn’t pertain to the past BF’s. The whiners are all generally the same, they are selfish and don’t think of anythig but of their own needs and wants. The pilots that are not asking for the world or crying about how everyone but themselves suck…etc, I have no problem with them. The appear to be the small minority of pilots and probably don’t voice their opinion much, its the whiners and self rightious pilots that I despise the most for being so self absorbed. > > > > > > For the rude ones, I am glad that MAA just makes their playing experence, and are probably getting everything you deserve. The more humble pilots, sorry it went this route. > > > > Really, if the money was in where the majority is why is this game selling less than BF3? > > I would imagine next gen consoles had huge impact on sales so a direct comparison would be pointless. BF4 came out before ps4 or xbox one were available so just imagine the number of people who waited for the next gen console before buying the game. The sales will probable take a huge spike compared to earlier release, but considering they outsold COD for the first time shows promise. The moment Ace Combat Infinity releases I won’t even care anymore about the jets in BF. :L ---
**Author:** ![Neo2450](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Neo2450](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Neo2450)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2013, 8:45am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/369 "2013-12-25T08:45:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _SLAP-Darknezz said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _Tunnelrat2k said:_ > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _Velocity\_RaptorC said:_ > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > _Tunnelrat2k said:_ > > > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > > > _Neo2450 said:_ > > > > > Where were you when everyone else were complaining about jets? We’re a bunch self-righteous whiners? LOL. If you had seen the state of the forums back in BF3 about jets being "OP". Basically what happened was, that once in a blue moon, some noob was graced to gaze upon the brilliance of 1 pilot going 50-0 and immediately came to the forums and started crying about jets being "OP". Although he had forgotten the other 5000+ games where there were no skilled pilots in them. That one time, where an exceptional display was performed immediately became the benchmark by which jets were measured and balanced upon. That is why someone like you, that hadn’t been here and seen the history of how jets and choppers alike were severely changed patch after patch, can’t see why we are complaining now. We literally had to go into empty servers to relearn some of the most basic stuff that we already knew after every patch. > > > > > > > > > > Now you come along and tell us that WE are a bunch of whiners? I pray thee not to speak of what thou dost not know. > > > > > > > > The designers obviously saw some flaw in previous BF dynamic and have change it, whether they change it to make the majority of the casual players happy or flying machines were OP. The money is where the majority is. If pilots are the majority, what kind of game would it be now? It is becoming apparent that each BF that comes out significantly different from the previous in terms of vehicle, so is it that big of a suprise that it wasn’t going to work the same in BF3? It appears that the direction they chose is everything is vulnerable to infantry. Well if we did consider the past, its no suprise that there might be past players who have some kind of grudge against pilots and taking off is pretty hard (heli). Jets…they are not going to be shot down by a player unless a jet gets too close and have the advantage of out OB region that other vehicle do not. Air space should be bigger, I definetly agree. > > > > > > > > Personally I love to see jets at the top of the food chain with a higher ceiling than anything else, but only for air superiority and not very effiecient for ground anything. Attack planes next which the jet plane is its natural predator. (Personally I think asking for a limited/special conquest map for those players would have been better and easier to obtain) > > > > > > > > ANYWAYS… > > > > > > > > Nice quote but your using it wrongly. I am talking about here and now, which doesn’t pertain to the past BF’s. The whiners are all generally the same, they are selfish and don’t think of anythig but of their own needs and wants. The pilots that are not asking for the world or crying about how everyone but themselves suck…etc, I have no problem with them. The appear to be the small minority of pilots and probably don’t voice their opinion much, its the whiners and self rightious pilots that I despise the most for being so self absorbed. > > > > > > > > For the rude ones, I am glad that MAA just makes their playing experence, and are probably getting everything you deserve. The more humble pilots, sorry it went this route. > > > > > > Really, if the money was in where the majority is why is this game selling less than BF3? > > > > I would imagine next gen consoles had huge impact on sales so a direct comparison would be pointless. BF4 came out before ps4 or xbox one were available so just imagine the number of people who waited for the next gen console before buying the game. The sales will probable take a huge spike compared to earlier release, but considering they outsold COD for the first time shows promise. > > The moment Ace Combat Infinity releases I won’t even care anymore about the jets in BF. :L ^This. ---
**Author:** ![GhostsofRazgriz1](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/db5fbb/32.png) [@GhostsofRazgriz1](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/GhostsofRazgriz1)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2013, 12:08pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/370 "2013-12-25T12:08:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Neo2450 said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _SLAP-Darknezz said:_ > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _Tunnelrat2k said:_ > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > _Velocity\_RaptorC said:_ > > > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > > > _Tunnelrat2k said:_ > > > > > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > _Neo2450 said:_ > > > > > > Where were you when everyone else were complaining about jets? We’re a bunch self-righteous whiners? LOL. If you had seen the state of the forums back in BF3 about jets being "OP". Basically what happened was, that once in a blue moon, some noob was graced to gaze upon the brilliance of 1 pilot going 50-0 and immediately came to the forums and started crying about jets being "OP". Although he had forgotten the other 5000+ games where there were no skilled pilots in them. That one time, where an exceptional display was performed immediately became the benchmark by which jets were measured and balanced upon. That is why someone like you, that hadn’t been here and seen the history of how jets and choppers alike were severely changed patch after patch, can’t see why we are complaining now. We literally had to go into empty servers to relearn some of the most basic stuff that we already knew after every patch. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you come along and tell us that WE are a bunch of whiners? I pray thee not to speak of what thou dost not know. > > > > > > > > > > The designers obviously saw some flaw in previous BF dynamic and have change it, whether they change it to make the majority of the casual players happy or flying machines were OP. The money is where the majority is. If pilots are the majority, what kind of game would it be now? It is becoming apparent that each BF that comes out significantly different from the previous in terms of vehicle, so is it that big of a suprise that it wasn’t going to work the same in BF3? It appears that the direction they chose is everything is vulnerable to infantry. Well if we did consider the past, its no suprise that there might be past players who have some kind of grudge against pilots and taking off is pretty hard (heli). Jets…they are not going to be shot down by a player unless a jet gets too close and have the advantage of out OB region that other vehicle do not. Air space should be bigger, I definetly agree. > > > > > > > > > > Personally I love to see jets at the top of the food chain with a higher ceiling than anything else, but only for air superiority and not very effiecient for ground anything. Attack planes next which the jet plane is its natural predator. (Personally I think asking for a limited/special conquest map for those players would have been better and easier to obtain) > > > > > > > > > > ANYWAYS… > > > > > > > > > > Nice quote but your using it wrongly. I am talking about here and now, which doesn’t pertain to the past BF’s. The whiners are all generally the same, they are selfish and don’t think of anythig but of their own needs and wants. The pilots that are not asking for the world or crying about how everyone but themselves suck…etc, I have no problem with them. The appear to be the small minority of pilots and probably don’t voice their opinion much, its the whiners and self rightious pilots that I despise the most for being so self absorbed. > > > > > > > > > > For the rude ones, I am glad that MAA just makes their playing experence, and are probably getting everything you deserve. The more humble pilots, sorry it went this route. > > > > > > > > Really, if the money was in where the majority is why is this game selling less than BF3? > > > > > > I would imagine next gen consoles had huge impact on sales so a direct comparison would be pointless. BF4 came out before ps4 or xbox one were available so just imagine the number of people who waited for the next gen console before buying the game. The sales will probable take a huge spike compared to earlier release, but considering they outsold COD for the first time shows promise. > > > > The moment Ace Combat Infinity releases I won’t even care anymore about the jets in BF. :L > > ^This. ^This x2 if I had a PS3 :[ ---
**Author:** ![Velocity\_RaptorC](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/v/b19c9b/32.png) [@Velocity\_RaptorC](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Velocity_RaptorC)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2013, 12:13pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/371 "2013-12-25T12:13:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Tunnelrat2k said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _Velocity\_RaptorC said:_ > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _Tunnelrat2k said:_ > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > _Neo2450 said:_ > > > > Where were you when everyone else were complaining about jets? We’re a bunch self-righteous whiners? LOL. If you had seen the state of the forums back in BF3 about jets being "OP". Basically what happened was, that once in a blue moon, some noob was graced to gaze upon the brilliance of 1 pilot going 50-0 and immediately came to the forums and started crying about jets being "OP". Although he had forgotten the other 5000+ games where there were no skilled pilots in them. That one time, where an exceptional display was performed immediately became the benchmark by which jets were measured and balanced upon. That is why someone like you, that hadn’t been here and seen the history of how jets and choppers alike were severely changed patch after patch, can’t see why we are complaining now. We literally had to go into empty servers to relearn some of the most basic stuff that we already knew after every patch. > > > > > > > > Now you come along and tell us that WE are a bunch of whiners? I pray thee not to speak of what thou dost not know. > > > > > > The designers obviously saw some flaw in previous BF dynamic and have change it, whether they change it to make the majority of the casual players happy or flying machines were OP. The money is where the majority is. If pilots are the majority, what kind of game would it be now? It is becoming apparent that each BF that comes out significantly different from the previous in terms of vehicle, so is it that big of a suprise that it wasn’t going to work the same in BF3? It appears that the direction they chose is everything is vulnerable to infantry. Well if we did consider the past, its no suprise that there might be past players who have some kind of grudge against pilots and taking off is pretty hard (heli). Jets…they are not going to be shot down by a player unless a jet gets too close and have the advantage of out OB region that other vehicle do not. Air space should be bigger, I definetly agree. > > > > > > Personally I love to see jets at the top of the food chain with a higher ceiling than anything else, but only for air superiority and not very effiecient for ground anything. Attack planes next which the jet plane is its natural predator. (Personally I think asking for a limited/special conquest map for those players would have been better and easier to obtain) > > > > > > ANYWAYS… > > > > > > Nice quote but your using it wrongly. I am talking about here and now, which doesn’t pertain to the past BF’s. The whiners are all generally the same, they are selfish and don’t think of anythig but of their own needs and wants. The pilots that are not asking for the world or crying about how everyone but themselves suck…etc, I have no problem with them. The appear to be the small minority of pilots and probably don’t voice their opinion much, its the whiners and self rightious pilots that I despise the most for being so self absorbed. > > > > > > For the rude ones, I am glad that MAA just makes their playing experence, and are probably getting everything you deserve. The more humble pilots, sorry it went this route. > > > > Really, if the money was in where the majority is why is this game selling less than BF3? > > I would imagine next gen consoles had huge impact on sales so a direct comparison would be pointless. BF4 came out before ps4 or xbox one were available so just imagine the number of people who waited for the next gen console before buying the game. The sales will probable take a huge spike compared to earlier release, but considering they outsold COD for the first time shows promise. Its still LOWER, the game is selling less, still so no it has nothing to do with newer consoles, the game is garbage and garbage player friendly. Its going to die at the current rate its going. The maps and piss poor balance is too significantly negative as well as the terrible launch, plus the bad rep of abandoning BF3 i the state it was in. ---
**Author:** ![SLAP-Darknezz](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@SLAP-Darknezz](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SLAP-Darknezz)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2013, 12:48am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/372 "2013-12-26T00:48:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Velocity\_RaptorC said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _Tunnelrat2k said:_ > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _Velocity\_RaptorC said:_ > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > _Tunnelrat2k said:_ > > > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > > > _Neo2450 said:_ > > > > > Where were you when everyone else were complaining about jets? We’re a bunch self-righteous whiners? LOL. If you had seen the state of the forums back in BF3 about jets being "OP". Basically what happened was, that once in a blue moon, some noob was graced to gaze upon the brilliance of 1 pilot going 50-0 and immediately came to the forums and started crying about jets being "OP". Although he had forgotten the other 5000+ games where there were no skilled pilots in them. That one time, where an exceptional display was performed immediately became the benchmark by which jets were measured and balanced upon. That is why someone like you, that hadn’t been here and seen the history of how jets and choppers alike were severely changed patch after patch, can’t see why we are complaining now. We literally had to go into empty servers to relearn some of the most basic stuff that we already knew after every patch. > > > > > > > > > > Now you come along and tell us that WE are a bunch of whiners? I pray thee not to speak of what thou dost not know. > > > > > > > > The designers obviously saw some flaw in previous BF dynamic and have change it, whether they change it to make the majority of the casual players happy or flying machines were OP. The money is where the majority is. If pilots are the majority, what kind of game would it be now? It is becoming apparent that each BF that comes out significantly different from the previous in terms of vehicle, so is it that big of a suprise that it wasn’t going to work the same in BF3? It appears that the direction they chose is everything is vulnerable to infantry. Well if we did consider the past, its no suprise that there might be past players who have some kind of grudge against pilots and taking off is pretty hard (heli). Jets…they are not going to be shot down by a player unless a jet gets too close and have the advantage of out OB region that other vehicle do not. Air space should be bigger, I definetly agree. > > > > > > > > Personally I love to see jets at the top of the food chain with a higher ceiling than anything else, but only for air superiority and not very effiecient for ground anything. Attack planes next which the jet plane is its natural predator. (Personally I think asking for a limited/special conquest map for those players would have been better and easier to obtain) > > > > > > > > ANYWAYS… > > > > > > > > Nice quote but your using it wrongly. I am talking about here and now, which doesn’t pertain to the past BF’s. The whiners are all generally the same, they are selfish and don’t think of anythig but of their own needs and wants. The pilots that are not asking for the world or crying about how everyone but themselves suck…etc, I have no problem with them. The appear to be the small minority of pilots and probably don’t voice their opinion much, its the whiners and self rightious pilots that I despise the most for being so self absorbed. > > > > > > > > For the rude ones, I am glad that MAA just makes their playing experence, and are probably getting everything you deserve. The more humble pilots, sorry it went this route. > > > > > > Really, if the money was in where the majority is why is this game selling less than BF3? > > > > I would imagine next gen consoles had huge impact on sales so a direct comparison would be pointless. BF4 came out before ps4 or xbox one were available so just imagine the number of people who waited for the next gen console before buying the game. The sales will probable take a huge spike compared to earlier release, but considering they outsold COD for the first time shows promise. > > Its still LOWER, the game is selling less, still so no it has nothing to do with newer consoles, the game is garbage and garbage player friendly. Its going to die at the current rate its going. The maps and piss poor balance is too significantly negative as well as the terrible launch, plus the bad rep of abandoning BF3 i the state it was in. > [@](#): > > _Velocity\_RaptorC said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _Tunnelrat2k said:_ > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _Velocity\_RaptorC said:_ > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > _Tunnelrat2k said:_ > > > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > > > _Neo2450 said:_ > > > > > Where were you when everyone else were complaining about jets? We’re a bunch self-righteous whiners? LOL. If you had seen the state of the forums back in BF3 about jets being "OP". Basically what happened was, that once in a blue moon, some noob was graced to gaze upon the brilliance of 1 pilot going 50-0 and immediately came to the forums and started crying about jets being "OP". Although he had forgotten the other 5000+ games where there were no skilled pilots in them. That one time, where an exceptional display was performed immediately became the benchmark by which jets were measured and balanced upon. That is why someone like you, that hadn’t been here and seen the history of how jets and choppers alike were severely changed patch after patch, can’t see why we are complaining now. We literally had to go into empty servers to relearn some of the most basic stuff that we already knew after every patch. > > > > > > > > > > Now you come along and tell us that WE are a bunch of whiners? I pray thee not to speak of what thou dost not know. > > > > > > > > The designers obviously saw some flaw in previous BF dynamic and have change it, whether they change it to make the majority of the casual players happy or flying machines were OP. The money is where the majority is. If pilots are the majority, what kind of game would it be now? It is becoming apparent that each BF that comes out significantly different from the previous in terms of vehicle, so is it that big of a suprise that it wasn’t going to work the same in BF3? It appears that the direction they chose is everything is vulnerable to infantry. Well if we did consider the past, its no suprise that there might be past players who have some kind of grudge against pilots and taking off is pretty hard (heli). Jets…they are not going to be shot down by a player unless a jet gets too close and have the advantage of out OB region that other vehicle do not. Air space should be bigger, I definetly agree. > > > > > > > > Personally I love to see jets at the top of the food chain with a higher ceiling than anything else, but only for air superiority and not very effiecient for ground anything. Attack planes next which the jet plane is its natural predator. (Personally I think asking for a limited/special conquest map for those players would have been better and easier to obtain) > > > > > > > > ANYWAYS… > > > > > > > > Nice quote but your using it wrongly. I am talking about here and now, which doesn’t pertain to the past BF’s. The whiners are all generally the same, they are selfish and don’t think of anythig but of their own needs and wants. The pilots that are not asking for the world or crying about how everyone but themselves suck…etc, I have no problem with them. The appear to be the small minority of pilots and probably don’t voice their opinion much, its the whiners and self rightious pilots that I despise the most for being so self absorbed. > > > > > > > > For the rude ones, I am glad that MAA just makes their playing experence, and are probably getting everything you deserve. The more humble pilots, sorry it went this route. > > > > > > Really, if the money was in where the majority is why is this game selling less than BF3? > > > > I would imagine next gen consoles had huge impact on sales so a direct comparison would be pointless. BF4 came out before ps4 or xbox one were available so just imagine the number of people who waited for the next gen console before buying the game. The sales will probable take a huge spike compared to earlier release, but considering they outsold COD for the first time shows promise. > > Its still LOWER, the game is selling less, still so no it has nothing to do with newer consoles, the game is garbage and garbage player friendly. Its going to die at the current rate its going. The maps and piss poor balance is too significantly negative as well as the terrible launch, plus the bad rep of abandoning BF3 i the state it was in. Why are you arguing with a kid that won’t change his narrow mind? ---
**Author:** ![Velocity\_RaptorC](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/v/b19c9b/32.png) [@Velocity\_RaptorC](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Velocity_RaptorC)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2013, 2:07am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/373 "2013-12-26T02:07:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _SLAP-Darknezz said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _Velocity\_RaptorC said:_ > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _Tunnelrat2k said:_ > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > _Velocity\_RaptorC said:_ > > > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > > > _Tunnelrat2k said:_ > > > > > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > _Neo2450 said:_ > > > > > > Where were you when everyone else were complaining about jets? We’re a bunch self-righteous whiners? LOL. If you had seen the state of the forums back in BF3 about jets being "OP". Basically what happened was, that once in a blue moon, some noob was graced to gaze upon the brilliance of 1 pilot going 50-0 and immediately came to the forums and started crying about jets being "OP". Although he had forgotten the other 5000+ games where there were no skilled pilots in them. That one time, where an exceptional display was performed immediately became the benchmark by which jets were measured and balanced upon. That is why someone like you, that hadn’t been here and seen the history of how jets and choppers alike were severely changed patch after patch, can’t see why we are complaining now. We literally had to go into empty servers to relearn some of the most basic stuff that we already knew after every patch. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you come along and tell us that WE are a bunch of whiners? I pray thee not to speak of what thou dost not know. > > > > > > > > > > The designers obviously saw some flaw in previous BF dynamic and have change it, whether they change it to make the majority of the casual players happy or flying machines were OP. The money is where the majority is. If pilots are the majority, what kind of game would it be now? It is becoming apparent that each BF that comes out significantly different from the previous in terms of vehicle, so is it that big of a suprise that it wasn’t going to work the same in BF3? It appears that the direction they chose is everything is vulnerable to infantry. Well if we did consider the past, its no suprise that there might be past players who have some kind of grudge against pilots and taking off is pretty hard (heli). Jets…they are not going to be shot down by a player unless a jet gets too close and have the advantage of out OB region that other vehicle do not. Air space should be bigger, I definetly agree. > > > > > > > > > > Personally I love to see jets at the top of the food chain with a higher ceiling than anything else, but only for air superiority and not very effiecient for ground anything. Attack planes next which the jet plane is its natural predator. (Personally I think asking for a limited/special conquest map for those players would have been better and easier to obtain) > > > > > > > > > > ANYWAYS… > > > > > > > > > > Nice quote but your using it wrongly. I am talking about here and now, which doesn’t pertain to the past BF’s. The whiners are all generally the same, they are selfish and don’t think of anythig but of their own needs and wants. The pilots that are not asking for the world or crying about how everyone but themselves suck…etc, I have no problem with them. The appear to be the small minority of pilots and probably don’t voice their opinion much, its the whiners and self rightious pilots that I despise the most for being so self absorbed. > > > > > > > > > > For the rude ones, I am glad that MAA just makes their playing experence, and are probably getting everything you deserve. The more humble pilots, sorry it went this route. > > > > > > > > Really, if the money was in where the majority is why is this game selling less than BF3? > > > > > > I would imagine next gen consoles had huge impact on sales so a direct comparison would be pointless. BF4 came out before ps4 or xbox one were available so just imagine the number of people who waited for the next gen console before buying the game. The sales will probable take a huge spike compared to earlier release, but considering they outsold COD for the first time shows promise. > > > > Its still LOWER, the game is selling less, still so no it has nothing to do with newer consoles, the game is garbage and garbage player friendly. Its going to die at the current rate its going. The maps and piss poor balance is too significantly negative as well as the terrible launch, plus the bad rep of abandoning BF3 i the state it was in. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Velocity\_RaptorC said:_ > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _Tunnelrat2k said:_ > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > _Velocity\_RaptorC said:_ > > > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > > > _Tunnelrat2k said:_ > > > > > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > _Neo2450 said:_ > > > > > > Where were you when everyone else were complaining about jets? We’re a bunch self-righteous whiners? LOL. If you had seen the state of the forums back in BF3 about jets being "OP". Basically what happened was, that once in a blue moon, some noob was graced to gaze upon the brilliance of 1 pilot going 50-0 and immediately came to the forums and started crying about jets being "OP". Although he had forgotten the other 5000+ games where there were no skilled pilots in them. That one time, where an exceptional display was performed immediately became the benchmark by which jets were measured and balanced upon. That is why someone like you, that hadn’t been here and seen the history of how jets and choppers alike were severely changed patch after patch, can’t see why we are complaining now. We literally had to go into empty servers to relearn some of the most basic stuff that we already knew after every patch. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you come along and tell us that WE are a bunch of whiners? I pray thee not to speak of what thou dost not know. > > > > > > > > > > The designers obviously saw some flaw in previous BF dynamic and have change it, whether they change it to make the majority of the casual players happy or flying machines were OP. The money is where the majority is. If pilots are the majority, what kind of game would it be now? It is becoming apparent that each BF that comes out significantly different from the previous in terms of vehicle, so is it that big of a suprise that it wasn’t going to work the same in BF3? It appears that the direction they chose is everything is vulnerable to infantry. Well if we did consider the past, its no suprise that there might be past players who have some kind of grudge against pilots and taking off is pretty hard (heli). Jets…they are not going to be shot down by a player unless a jet gets too close and have the advantage of out OB region that other vehicle do not. Air space should be bigger, I definetly agree. > > > > > > > > > > Personally I love to see jets at the top of the food chain with a higher ceiling than anything else, but only for air superiority and not very effiecient for ground anything. Attack planes next which the jet plane is its natural predator. (Personally I think asking for a limited/special conquest map for those players would have been better and easier to obtain) > > > > > > > > > > ANYWAYS… > > > > > > > > > > Nice quote but your using it wrongly. I am talking about here and now, which doesn’t pertain to the past BF’s. The whiners are all generally the same, they are selfish and don’t think of anythig but of their own needs and wants. The pilots that are not asking for the world or crying about how everyone but themselves suck…etc, I have no problem with them. The appear to be the small minority of pilots and probably don’t voice their opinion much, its the whiners and self rightious pilots that I despise the most for being so self absorbed. > > > > > > > > > > For the rude ones, I am glad that MAA just makes their playing experence, and are probably getting everything you deserve. The more humble pilots, sorry it went this route. > > > > > > > > Really, if the money was in where the majority is why is this game selling less than BF3? > > > > > > I would imagine next gen consoles had huge impact on sales so a direct comparison would be pointless. BF4 came out before ps4 or xbox one were available so just imagine the number of people who waited for the next gen console before buying the game. The sales will probable take a huge spike compared to earlier release, but considering they outsold COD for the first time shows promise. > > > > Its still LOWER, the game is selling less, still so no it has nothing to do with newer consoles, the game is garbage and garbage player friendly. Its going to die at the current rate its going. The maps and piss poor balance is too significantly negative as well as the terrible launch, plus the bad rep of abandoning BF3 i the state it was in. > > Why are you arguing with a kid that won’t change his narrow mind? people like that honestly need the death penalty or just need to be tortured. I prefer torture. ---
**Author:** ![XTS-Beef](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/a5b964/32.png) [@XTS-Beef](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/XTS-Beef)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2013, 2:17am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/374 "2013-12-26T02:17:00Z")
Dont know why anyone cares at all about this turd of a game i only play for the lol’z i get killing all these retards that play. ---
**Author:** ![SLAP-Darknezz](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@SLAP-Darknezz](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SLAP-Darknezz)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2013, 9:51pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/375 "2013-12-26T21:51:00Z")
Ah piss…[http://www.gamingunion.net/news/soul-calibur-lost-swords-and-ace-combat-infinity-delayed-to-2014--10278.html](http://www.gamingunion.net/news/soul-calibur-lost-swords-and-ace-combat-infinity-delayed-to-2014--10278.html) [[gamingunion.net](http://gamingunion.net)] ---
**Author:** ![USSWISCONSIN90](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/u/a9a28c/32.png) [@USSWISCONSIN90](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/USSWISCONSIN90)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2013, 9:54pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/376 "2013-12-26T21:54:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _SLAP-Darknezz said:_ > Ah piss…[http://www.gamingunion.net/news/soul-calibur-lost-swords-and-ace-combat-infinity-delayed-to-2014--10278.html](http://www.gamingunion.net/news/soul-calibur-lost-swords-and-ace-combat-infinity-delayed-to-2014--10278.html) [[gamingunion.net](http://gamingunion.net)] Good and bad. ---
**Author:** ![SLAP-Darknezz](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@SLAP-Darknezz](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SLAP-Darknezz)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2013, 9:58pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/377 "2013-12-26T21:58:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _USSWISCONSIN90 said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _SLAP-Darknezz said:_ > > Ah piss…[http://www.gamingunion.net/news/soul-calibur-lost-swords-and-ace-combat-infinity-delayed-to-2014--10278.html](http://www.gamingunion.net/news/soul-calibur-lost-swords-and-ace-combat-infinity-delayed-to-2014--10278.html) [[gamingunion.net](http://gamingunion.net)] > > Good and bad. Well as long as I get to play it. :L ---
**Author:** ![Neo2450](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Neo2450](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Neo2450)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2013, 12:10am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/378 "2013-12-27T00:10:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _SLAP-Darknezz said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _USSWISCONSIN90 said:_ > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _SLAP-Darknezz said:_ > > > Ah piss…[http://www.gamingunion.net/news/soul-calibur-lost-swords-and-ace-combat-infinity-delayed-to-2014--10278.html](http://www.gamingunion.net/news/soul-calibur-lost-swords-and-ace-combat-infinity-delayed-to-2014--10278.html) [[gamingunion.net](http://gamingunion.net)] > > > > Good and bad. > > Well as long as I get to play it. :L Why are they F2P? Seriously. I mean, I want to OWN my Ace Combat games. I like to have the box for the titles I love. Pay for MP. pff whatever. Are they going to severely limit single player to force people to pay to play for MP. No one in Saudi Arabia plays this franchise. I’m going to end up playing with Japanese players with 500+ ms ping just like AC:AH. I hope I’m just being pessimistic here. I want SP to be as long as AC5 and Zero with many side stuff to do. ---
**Author:** ![junkeh2k6](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@junkeh2k6](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/junkeh2k6)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2013, 12:56am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/379 "2013-12-27T00:56:00Z")
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**Author:** ![SLAP-Darknezz](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@SLAP-Darknezz](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SLAP-Darknezz)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2013, 12:01am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/380 "2013-12-28T00:01:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Neo2450 said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _SLAP-Darknezz said:_ > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _USSWISCONSIN90 said:_ > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > _SLAP-Darknezz said:_ > > > > Ah piss…[http://www.gamingunion.net/news/soul-calibur-lost-swords-and-ace-combat-infinity-delayed-to-2014--10278.html](http://www.gamingunion.net/news/soul-calibur-lost-swords-and-ace-combat-infinity-delayed-to-2014--10278.html) [[gamingunion.net](http://gamingunion.net)] > > > > > > Good and bad. > > > > Well as long as I get to play it. :L > > Why are they F2P? Seriously. I mean, I want to OWN my Ace Combat games. I like to have the box for the titles I love. Pay for MP. pff whatever. Are they going to severely limit single player to force people to pay to play for MP. No one in Saudi Arabia plays this franchise. I’m going to end up playing with Japanese players with 500+ ms ping just like AC:AH. I hope I’m just being pessimistic here. I want SP to be as long as AC5 and Zero with many side stuff to do. Hue hue hue. Good luck. [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614.md?page=18)