# How to Balance/Fix Jets **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 31, 2013, 4:53am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614 "2013-10-31T04:53:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![iKickzBad](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@iKickzBad](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/iKickzBad)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 9:35pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/61 "2013-10-31T21:35:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Bfizzle62 said:_ > My first dogfight was in a J-20 against an SU-50, it made me feel like I was flying for the first time ever I flew the J-20 and thought the guy in the SU-50 was a better pilot of something. I didn’t fucking realize he was turning 4 Gs faster. Wtf DICE? ---
**Author:** ![Rubbbb](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/ce7236/32.png) [@Rubbbb](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Rubbbb)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 9:36pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/62 "2013-10-31T21:36:00Z")
/signed ---
**Author:** ![Golden\_Darknezz](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Golden\_Darknezz](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Golden_Darknezz)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 9:46pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/63 "2013-10-31T21:46:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _iKickz-nM said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _Bfizzle62 said:_ > > My first dogfight was in a J-20 against an SU-50, it made me feel like I was flying for the first time ever > > I flew the J-20 and thought the guy in the SU-50 was a better pilot of something. I didn’t fucking realize he was turning 4 Gs faster. Wtf DICE? DICE always has trouble configuring all the values for everything in BF. ---
**Author:** ![iKickzBad](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@iKickzBad](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/iKickzBad)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 9:56pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/64 "2013-10-31T21:56:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Golden\_Darknezz said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _iKickz-nM said:_ > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _Bfizzle62 said:_ > > > My first dogfight was in a J-20 against an SU-50, it made me feel like I was flying for the first time ever > > > > I flew the J-20 and thought the guy in the SU-50 was a better pilot of something. I didn’t fucking realize he was turning 4 Gs faster. Wtf DICE? > > DICE always has trouble configuring all the values for everything in BF. What’s sad is the babies on the forums complaining about TV missile doing 80 damage instead of 1 shot kill, boom, dead ,die, die, im superman. And 1/10th the amount of people complaining about the jets being just the most horrible thing to happen in Battlefield ever. The stealth jets got a 10x nerf than the choppers ever did damage wise. The jets aren’t even balanced either. DICE is killing off an entire Dogfight community by doing this. And you can’t trade jets to 1v1 either, because they don’t exist until you click to spawn on them. They just materialize midair like some Endgame DLC bullshit. Infact this whole fucking game is just an ENDGAME+ARMOR KILL DLC with a RESKIN and gigantic jet debuff. ---
**Author:** ![Golden\_Darknezz](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Golden\_Darknezz](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Golden_Darknezz)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 10:28pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/65 "2013-10-31T22:28:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _iKickz-nM said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _Golden\_Darknezz said:_ > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _iKickz-nM said:_ > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > _Bfizzle62 said:_ > > > > My first dogfight was in a J-20 against an SU-50, it made me feel like I was flying for the first time ever > > > > > > I flew the J-20 and thought the guy in the SU-50 was a better pilot of something. I didn’t fucking realize he was turning 4 Gs faster. Wtf DICE? > > > > DICE always has trouble configuring all the values for everything in BF. > > What’s sad is the babies on the forums complaining about TV missile doing 80 damage instead of 1 shot kill, boom, dead ,die, die, im superman. And 1/10th the amount of people complaining about the jets being just the most horrible thing to happen in Battlefield ever. The stealth jets got a 10x nerf than the choppers ever did damage wise. The jets aren’t even balanced either. DICE is killing off an entire Dogfight community by doing this. And you can’t trade jets to 1v1 either, because they don’t exist until you click to spawn on them. They just materialize midair like some Endgame DLC bullshit. Infact this whole fucking game is just an ENDGAME+ARMOR KILL DLC with a RESKIN and gigantic jet debuff. Kind of yet no. They can easily fix all of this BS by adding runways into the maps or something, and do what I said in my post. :3 ---
**Author:** ![ipengineer78](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/ed8c4c/32.png) [@ipengineer78](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ipengineer78)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 10:47pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/66 "2013-10-31T22:47:00Z")
Has anyone noticed that in certain jets you cannot switch to the third person view when you have your secondary weapon selected? You have to fiirs switch back to the primary weapon and then back to third person view. ---
**Author:** ![Golden\_Darknezz](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Golden\_Darknezz](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Golden_Darknezz)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 11:19pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/67 "2013-10-31T23:19:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _ipengineer78 said:_ > Has anyone noticed that in certain jets you cannot switch to the third person view when you have your secondary weapon selected? You have to fiirs switch back to the primary weapon and then back to third person view. I haven’t even played the game yet lol and yet I can tell the game is absolutely broken just from pure observation and videos. ---
**Author:** ![sQ-CeL0xX](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@sQ-CeL0xX](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/sQ-CeL0xX)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 11:31pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/68 "2013-10-31T23:31:00Z")
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**Author:** ![ipengineer78](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/ed8c4c/32.png) [@ipengineer78](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ipengineer78)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 11:35pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/69 "2013-10-31T23:35:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Golden\_Darknezz said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _ipengineer78 said:_ > > Has anyone noticed that in certain jets you cannot switch to the third person view when you have your secondary weapon selected? You have to first switch back to the primary weapon and then back to third person view. > > I haven’t even played the game yet lol and yet I can tell the game is absolutely broken just from pure observation and videos. This one and the jet FOV in 3rd person are really annoying man! You will not like these to problems I just mentioned at all! I hope they fix the FOV and the camera view switching problem when in the secondary gun selector. ipeng ---
**Author:** ![rtmoose](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/eb8c5e/32.png) [@rtmoose](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/rtmoose)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 11:38pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/70 "2013-10-31T23:38:00Z")
I actually like the 3rd person fov still wish they would give us flyby view again tho… using that was what real dogfighting was about in bf2 and Im used to the 80 dmg TVs now… you can fire another one right away and hit the guy when hes trying to recover from the first shot but yea… JDAMs are pretty terrible as they are right now ---
**Author:** ![ipengineer78](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/ed8c4c/32.png) [@ipengineer78](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ipengineer78)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 11:39pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/71 "2013-10-31T23:39:00Z")
BUMP and Support these two posts [http://answers.ea.com/t5/Battlefield-4/BF4-PC-Jet-FOV-3rd-person-to-low/m-p/1741875/highlight/true#M23486](http://answers.ea.com/t5/Battlefield-4/BF4-PC-Jet-FOV-3rd-person-to-low/m-p/1741875/highlight/true%23M23486) [[answers.ea.com](http://answers.ea.com)] [http://answers.ea.com/t5/Battlefield-4/JET-Can-t-Toggle-chase-camera-when-secondary-weapon-equipped/td-p/1742741](http://answers.ea.com/t5/Battlefield-4/JET-Can-t-Toggle-chase-camera-when-secondary-weapon-equipped/td-p/1742741) [[answers.ea.com](http://answers.ea.com)] ipeng [www.twitch.tv/ipengineer78](http://www.twitch.tv/ipengineer78) ---
**Author:** ![ABED1984](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/abed1984/32/101130_2.png) [@ABED1984](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ABED1984)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 11:43pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/72 "2013-10-31T23:43:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Golden\_Darknezz said:_ > -Correctly Angle Third Person Camera View on all jets to that of BF3’s > -Buff Stealth Fighter Cannon to exact damage of BF3’s Fighter Jet.s > -Stealth Fighters turn slightly sharper than Attack Jets. > -Slightly increase blast radius of JDAM bombs and add Lock on ability (if there is none.) > -Adjust turning radius of all Stealth Fighters to that of BF3’s F-18 Super Hornet. > > Boom. Balanced jets. And keep the MAA the same as well! It ain’t OP for crap it balances out all the air combat. > > Edit: > The stealth jets (at least excluding the Su-50) are ridiculously underpowered in terms of 1v1 dog-fight. > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1SzKFPqwJw](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1SzKFPqwJw) > > [[youtube.com](http://youtube.com)] > > As you can see, at 310-315 speed the Su-50 has up to a 15G turning radius. While the J-20 goes only about to 9G’s. Maybe 10 tops if you know how to rudder and angle yourself. The F-35 is a joke and not even worth mentioning. To properly balance jets they need to set ALL of the stealth fighter’s turning radius to exactly that of the F-18’s in BF3. The attack jets seem to be balanced at the moment so I don’t see an issue with them. They also need to fix the damn third person view camera. It’s absolute trash compared to BF3’s. I agree on all of that except for the lock-on JDAM as it will make them act like guided missiles. ---
**Author:** ![BTL-A4\_Ace](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@BTL-A4\_Ace](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BTL-A4_Ace)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 11:45pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/73 "2013-10-31T23:45:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Golden\_Darknezz said:_ > -Correctly Angle Third Person Camera View on all jets to that of BF3’s If anything, this should be optional. Not removed. ---
**Author:** ![Golden\_Darknezz](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Golden\_Darknezz](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Golden_Darknezz)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 11:53pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/74 "2013-10-31T23:53:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _ABED1984 said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _Golden\_Darknezz said:_ > > -Correctly Angle Third Person Camera View on all jets to that of BF3’s > > -Buff Stealth Fighter Cannon to exact damage of BF3’s Fighter Jet.s > > -Stealth Fighters turn slightly sharper than Attack Jets. > > -Slightly increase blast radius of JDAM bombs and add Lock on ability (if there is none.) > > -Adjust turning radius of all Stealth Fighters to that of BF3’s F-18 Super Hornet. > > > > Boom. Balanced jets. And keep the MAA the same as well! It ain’t OP for crap it balances out all the air combat. > > > > Edit: > > The stealth jets (at least excluding the Su-50) are ridiculously underpowered in terms of 1v1 dog-fight. > > > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1SzKFPqwJw](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1SzKFPqwJw) > > > > [[youtube.com](http://youtube.com)] > > > > As you can see, at 310-315 speed the Su-50 has up to a 15G turning radius. While the J-20 goes only about to 9G’s. Maybe 10 tops if you know how to rudder and angle yourself. The F-35 is a joke and not even worth mentioning. To properly balance jets they need to set ALL of the stealth fighter’s turning radius to exactly that of the F-18’s in BF3. The attack jets seem to be balanced at the moment so I don’t see an issue with them. They also need to fix the damn third person view camera. It’s absolute trash compared to BF3’s. > > I agree on all of that except for the lock-on JDAM as it will make them act like guided missiles. Well I am only going by what the JDAM is in real life. But sure, at least make them to where if something is lased it’ll lock on. ---
**Author:** ![Vv-sh4rk-vV](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/v/f0a364/32.png) [@Vv-sh4rk-vV](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Vv-sh4rk-vV)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2013, 12:02am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/75 "2013-11-01T00:02:00Z")
- Remove Proximity Scan from jets (WTF??) - Give Stealth something other than air targets to shoot at - Find something other than 3 types of A2A missiles for secondary - no self-respecting pilots wants to use them anyway - Consider making stealth jets a little harder to shoot with stingers if they’re going to be neutered against infantry; maybe make them “stealthy” - Fix jet sounds - Fix HUD size in attack jets - Make HUD bolder, can’t see pipper or hit indicators on many maps against the sky Otherwise agree with OP. Heya GD ---
**Author:** ![gibonez](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/gibonez/32/106712_2.png) [@gibonez](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/gibonez)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2013, 12:17am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/76 "2013-11-01T00:17:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Vv-sh4rk-vV said:_ > > - Remove Proximity Scan from jets (WTF??) Yup biggest reason why air combat sucks. Air radar should be a perk. ---
**Author:** ![Vv-sh4rk-vV](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/v/f0a364/32.png) [@Vv-sh4rk-vV](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Vv-sh4rk-vV)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2013, 12:34am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/77 "2013-11-01T00:34:00Z")
- Also fix the spawn times, their locked at 80 seconds for jets - Open up the maps so jets don’t have to DF out of bounds all the time ---
**Author:** ![NubCake4](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/4bbf92/32.png) [@NubCake4](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/NubCake4)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2013, 12:42am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/78 "2013-11-01T00:42:00Z")
bump ---
**Author:** ![lI-Chris-Il](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@lI-Chris-Il](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/lI-Chris-Il)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2013, 1:18am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/79 "2013-11-01T01:18:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Golden\_Darknezz said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _XRlSTO said:_ > > Well i wont be buying battlefield 4 , not until they fix this . Jets should be exactly how they were in battlefield 3 . > > Agreed, Or like BF2’s. I heard those weren’t that bad. I havent played yet , but you like myself got into flying jets in battlefield 3 .. If it werent for jets or vehicles this would just be medal of duty 4 . From the footage ive seen and the feedback ive read , it doesnt sound good . Dice know how much people loved jets in battlefield 3 , they went and ruined it . Dont touch things that are good the way they were , seems like you redone the whole mechanics ? i see this game going down hill very fast . Vehicles are a major part of the game , if they are not enjoyable then people are gonna stop playing . Forget the whiners , there is conquest , tdm and rush modes for people who strictly want to play infantry . So many people crying and whinging went and got this game ruined . Sure the graphics are great , but the gameplay is better in battlefield 3 as far as im aware . ill see how things end up before i go and buy battlefield 4 , 3/4 of the reason i would buy it is to fly jets and if i cant enjoy doing that im just going stick to battlefield 3 . The air mechanics are very similar to ace combat , which is a complete rubbish arcade game . Dice i dont know what you went and done , the lead up to battlefield 4 was so exciting and you guys gave us something completely different to what i imagined in my head this game would be like . I imagined battlefield 3 , with better graphics and entirely new vehciles .. thats all this game needed , mechanics were fine . I forsee a change though , i almost guarentee they will go back to how they were in battlefield 3 . People arent liking this , thats never a good thing . Why would they make one jet turn faster than the other ? are these guys kidding at dice =\ ruined the fun for everybody who enjoyed dogfighting in battlefield 3 . Im not even gonna get into how rediculous lock ons are now . End rant ---
**Author:** ![TUS\_TREEBZ](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/85f322/32.png) [@TUS\_TREEBZ](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TUS_TREEBZ)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2013, 1:19am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/how-to-balance-fix-jets/154614/80 "2013-11-01T01:19:00Z")
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