Some people just miss the point entirely. The point isn’t about is it so bad that its practically not existent. I wasn’t arguing semantics. My point is when having a fruitful discussion, it can only happen when people stay true to the facts. If you have people saying X and people saying no still despite the contrary and supporting evidence. You cannot have a fruitful discussion about it. Its just best to leave that person to their thoughts and opinions.
that’s all.
Some people just take the statement to whole 'nother level its really unreal.
If one thinks the anticheat is so bad, its practically non-existent, go ahead and think that. At this point, I wouldn’t even contest to that. the anti-cheat isn’t very good.
It would seem the bigger modes draw out the cheaters, I haven’t seen one on Frontlines in about two weeks. I haven’t even seen any of the closet cheaters I used to encounter fairly regularly. A few seems to have stopped playing completely in the beginning of February.
Oh, and the strangest thing just happened. I went 174-29 on Hamada Frontlines with the Bren, and not a single accusation was made. One enemy even congratulated me. Next guy on the server got a little over 90 kills. These things happen when circumstances are suitable. I just hope Tyrone is proud of me for finding my share of potatoes. I know it’s not 200, but it was one map. Has to count for something. Kudos to Bran for keeping me going.
I would love to be switched mid round if it meant I could play on an evenly balanced server. Whether or not the team was losing. Hasnt happened to me once. As i said, only ever been switched at the end of a round. That includes the end of a set of objectives in a Grand Ops match. Which some might think is not a new round because its part of the same Grand Ops match. But its a round within the match. Happening upon death, I have yet to see that happen. If this was happening you would have a lot more balanced servers… this is literally the first time Ive ever heard anyone mention this considering on the Discords I am in everyone is of the opinion that there is basically no balancing. So idk man. Very interesting how we all have a different experience… which shouldnt be the case. Game is broken.
I think what you are saying has validity to it. That’s where they can cause the most calamity if that is their goal.
I played last night against two cheaters. There was a guy named I recognized I’m sure he was banned before and bought another account. Want very good nor active but he was headshotting me even if I would slide, just hitting difficult headshots . Looked up his stats, he had like 70% hk ratio with aim in the 20s
Then there’s this level 13 that was new l not very good yet he got top frags in the other team but died alot. Can’t say for sure but I don’t think it’s likely to move around that well, know the map that well but you suck at everything else.
I can’t explain the’hunch’ but based on playing, you know somewhat can tell by a way s person moved if he’s above a certain level and this guy moved like a bad player.
I think it’s just they do it because they can get in a game quicker. If Frontline was still popular, they would be cheater there too.
I don’t think there’s been a single day this week that I can say that my day has no cheaters. None.
The only thing I could hope for it’s this br thing makes dice/ea/criterion take the anti-cheat a little more seriously.
Then have a balanced conversation without throwing fantasy land accusations thrown on top of it. I’m not say you do it but when people come in saying dice willingly allows content creators to cheat and hackers can move people around in a
is absurd but doesn’t mean there shouldn’t be a conversation. That doesn’t make it a derailment of a thread because its a direct relation to “cheating” both sides of the argument have every right to post here.
Believe it or not it’s very possible to have a high KD. Even as something as absurd as that.
There are people who play this game and will not take a death. If they do, they leave the server. They play in the most cheesiest ways. To get cheap kills, kpm be damned.
The ones that are unrealistic are the people going 47KD/5kpm
I’m not disagreeing with what you’ve said, but every once in awhile we learn that in fact some of those pro players on top tournament teams really were cheating. It’s happened in CS:GO, in Team Fortress 2, in PUBG, with pro players who are defended against cheating accusations on the grounds that they’re so good they don’t need to cheat and also because they have too much to lose to risk using a hack. And then they get caught, and suddenly the folks who were defending them have nothing to say, at least for awhile.
That’s one of the worst things about hack use, it erodes player confidence to the point where people will see cheating when it isn’t happening. And then a game like PUBG comes along where one in every four of the over fifty million accounts sold has been banned, a ratio beyond what I ever expected to see in a major game–how does anyone manage to say there isn’t really much cheating in PUBG in the face of such a stat? But they do, incredibly, the same sort of “I’ve played a thousand hours and only seen two possible cheaters” thing we see here.
It doesn’t help when a notorious PUBG streamer in China who is universally considered a cheater in that nation after video of him doing something seemingly impossible in the normal course of the game is released, he’s banned, he appeals and the game publisher says they’re confident he was cheating and the ban will stand. And then they lift the ban and announce it was all some sort of unfortunate mistake. How are legit players supposed to process that, when someone they can see in a video is clearly cheating is banned and then unbanned? What conclusion can they reasonably come to other than some streamers are considered too valuable to ban?
That’s why EA’s near silence on this issue is not helpful. They should be following PUBG’s lead and announcing how many accounts have been banned, and sending out ban confirmation notices to players who report cheaters, and that ban scroll needs to come back so we can see the names of those who got caught. At least then we’d know something is being done, that at least some hack users will have to buy another copy. On this issue the radio silence with occasional bits of PR fluff about how seriously they take the issue just is not working.
What conspiracy theories do I have about EA/Dice? Looking back through my posts I’ve been saying that there doesn’t appear to be any automated anti-cheat in the game, and that EA/Dice are pathetic for not addressing that. They’re not communicating what the state of the anti-cheat is and what they are doing to get something effective implemented. Sure, there might be the odd ban here or there.. but I’m still waiting for the big “ban wave” that you predicted quite a while back. I thought you had some sort of insider info, or a crystal ball.. but it would appear you were just making that up.
And as I like to say often, hackusations do not matter. As far as those go.. there’s really only one person that I’m quite sure is cheating in BF5, but having not played it that much I’m sure I’m missing out on other subtle type cheaters. Other players aren’t even on my radar. Don’t know enough about them to form an opinion. I did recently up my body count of banned cheaters in BF4 since I started playing that again. 100% success ratio to date. One of them it took me a couple months to build the case before the ban was implemented. That was fun. Maybe I should screen shot the list of players I got banned in BF4, blur the names, and post it here. In other words.. the ones I’m sure about.. every single one of them meta-banned in BF4. I’m only convinced about one BF1/BF5 player trying to be subtle about it… but alas.. the name and shame rule. PM me for that player name!.. or not. Not a big deal either way since individual cheaters is the tiniest of water in the bucket. It’s a little more useful in BF4 since the player base is much smaller.
So do tell.. what is the conspiracy I’m pushing? Don’t just skip the question, or dance around it.. I’m genuinely curious.
That would be amusing.. but there’s really no info from Dice that they’re on anything but a hiatus. They did post something sort of recently about AC in BF5, but nothing since then. I suppose they’re “working on it”, which of course means that they weren’t working on it previously. But remember.. the litmus test for any game’s AC is if the larger private cheat sellers are still selling cheats for the game. That’s what I’ve seen kind of recently with PUBG. Those big cheat providers stopped selling cheats for it. Not surprising considering the mammoth effort the PUBG devs, and AC partners, have put into it. They wrote a huge manifesto describing exactly how they did it. EA/Dice? Not so much. Not anything really. And as I always say (again), the lack of anti-cheat in BF games is what this is all about.. not the random hackusation tears. Does the game have effective anti-cheat? No. Period. End of story.
But I’ll continue the story anyway..
Think it’s possible to have a soft bot active without ESP on? How would you know the player was clean looking at the monitor via cam? I really don’t know, but that occurs to me. What about that guy that famously got banned a couple months ago cheating at a CSGO tournament? Since the teams were competing at a lan, it must be obvious that a cheat doesn’t require any sort of overlay on the screen.
So.. given that seeing a players monitor while he’s streaming doesn’t mean he’s not cheating, what is the solution to the problem? The solution is anti-cheat in the game that prevents that cheat from being used. Again - all of this is on EA/Dice and nobody else.
Agreed (I know.. shocking!). The AC might as well be considered completely non-existent. There might be EA/Dice staff watching players and banning them, but I doubt that. I doubt that FF is active in the game given the leaderboards. Thinking that the odd ban here or there means that there is some AC active in the game is absurd. And that’s what this is all about, right? Everything in this thread is about the lack of anti-cheat in BF games. Everything else is nonsensical.. or more just cognitive dissonance. Red, you’re the only guy that’s actually doing research on these cheaters and it’s absurd that you’re even in a position of doing that. EA/Dice are responsible for anti-cheat, and they are completely inept at protecting their PC games from cheaters. At least some of the apologists are amusing, and that’s what keeps this thread entertaining.
So.. what are the facts and what is the evidence? You might respond by saying that it’s pointless to explain that to me, but do it for everyone else. I’m genuinely curious. Enlighten us.
Trying the game again, second game I am in today, im getting killed instant killed by a level 48 who is invisible except for his floating gun, and hes in a squad of 50s, and I have to assume they are all cheating as they are spraying everyone down and know exactly where people are. I guess they got spotting removed so the cheaters with ESP have an easier time.
At least in BF1 when you get stuck in a server with cheaters you could at least swap teams so you don’t get farmed by them all day. Of course it would be even better to have modded servers again like in BF4 where they got banned! But apparently suffering through cheaters and clan stacks is the BF gameplay we deserve in 2019.
Maybe I can suggest this in a different sort of way. How can there be any conversation at all when the most obvious thing we know about the game is that it has very ineffective anti-cheat, assuming it has any at all? What else is there to talk about?
What you’re saying isn’t really related to what I’ve stated. My point is some people are so convinced it’s not even worth the conversation because it’s not fruitful. You touched on the subject matter earlier. Read the subsequent posts after the one you replied to and you’ll get a more Fuller picture
I agree with your conclusion that dice needs to do better and be more transparent about their efforts. I never disagreed with that and always held that view.