# I think I’ve found one of those illusive PTFO players u always hear about **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 14, 2018, 4:28am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/i-think-i-ve-found-one-of-those-illusive-ptfo-players-u-always-hear-about/259240 "2018-04-14T04:28:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![HuwJarz](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/huwjarz/32/102119_2.png) [@HuwJarz](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/HuwJarz)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 3:33pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/i-think-i-ve-found-one-of-those-illusive-ptfo-players-u-always-hear-about/259240/21 "2018-04-14T15:33:00Z")
> [@lllPeligrolll](#): > > > [@WetFishDB](#): > > > > > [@lllPeligrolll](#): > > > > > > > [@HuwJarz](#): > > > > > > > > > [@lllPeligrolll](#): > > > > > > > > > > That’s the thing with stats. You can’t really paint a fair and clear picture with it. Might be a PTFO Player, might not be. > > > > > > > > There is that BS tenuous argument again. > > > > > > > > Very occassionally, a guy with a score like that can top a leaderboard. It happens. As @WetFishDB said, he probably threw down a load of ammo crates and ran with a squad, constantly resupplying. It does not invalidate statistics. I think you are totally wrong. I think you can infer quite a lot from that scoreboard. > > > > > > > > Over the course of many games, a pattern will appear in his stats. Let’s take this guy that topped the board. I bet, before I even looked at his stats that he: > > > > > > > > 1. Has a poor K/D overall > > > > 2. Runs a lot with a squad and gets lots of best squads > > > > 3. Have very few MVP’s > > > > 4. Has a very poor KPM > > > > 5. Has a low win% > > > > 6. Has low skill > > > > 7. Runs mainly support > > > > 8. Plays mainly operations (more choke points to resupply) > > > > > > > > Andthe results were: > > > > > > > > 1. 0.76. Correct > > > > 2. 57/600 games. I was wrong on this one > > > > 3. Only 7 out of 600. Correct > > > > 4. 0.59. Correct > > > > 5. 48.9 - Correct > > > > 6. 225 - Correct > > > > 7. Correct. His most played class is support > > > > 8. Correct > > > > > > > > So there you go. I made 8 predictions about a players stats, just by looking at one scoreboard…and I was able to get 7 out fo 8 correct. I knew pretty much exactly what I was looking at when I saw that leaderboard. Over the course of many games, his stats are very clear and its is easy to infer player skill and behaviour. > > > > > > > > People that say that stat are useless just don’t understands basis statistical concepts like outliers and use them to try to disprove stats. Invariably people that do that have really bad core stats themselves and try to discredit stats to cover up and justify their own poor performance. Stats don’t lie when one has strong statistically valid sample sizes (games played) and a large player count (to negate the effect of a small number of boosters that themselves are outliers) > > > > > > > > Let’s stop this BS about not being able to trust stats. Over the course of a statistically valid sample, they are very revealing. Occasionally a rare event will happen and a poor player will rack up an MVP. It happens. Rare events do not invalidate statistics. They are just rare events. > > > > > > > > I’ve actually proven in these forums that MVP’s happen incredibly rarely for players with negative K/D’s. I think from memory (and I did a proper sampling at the time) that I proved in these forums that you are 23x more likely to get an MVP if you have a positive K/D than if you have a negative K/D in a given game I proved with stats that it was possible, but unlikely. > > > > > > > > Here is the thing. Stats are interesting and useful. People spouting rubbish about things they don’t understand are not interesting. They are just ignorant. > > > > > > Nothing in your post said if he ptfo or not. I’m afraid your explanation was all for nothing. I don’t disagree what’s said here. At all. Read the context of what I said and how I said it. I didn’t say you can’t tollaly trust stats. That’s a strawman. > > > > Clearly if he does it isn’t all that successfully. Be interested to know flags captured/defended per game etc. > > Just look up his stats on the battlefield tracker > > That’s what I’m trying to say is you can’t derive that he played the objective from reading his stats. He could have done other things to help his score and supply his teammates but it doesn’t mean he played the objective. Attackers get more points and more tries. 15k can either be a really high score so for a short order of work or 3 battalions and that’s all they got. > > There are people who sit in the back with a friendly shoot their guns and resupply created and easily get 10k points doing that the whole game. > > So no it’s not fair to say if he’s ptfoing it or not based on stats. It doesn’t paint the clearest picture. > > This is just based on the ptfo context, not if he’s a good player or bad player. Clearly he’s not the most skilled. only 7days playing time. He’s not going to be. > > I didn’t say stats were totally useless or you can’t get anything from them. Don’t know where your clan mate got that from. What nonsense. A scoreboard was posted. To top a leaderboard in a game you have to PTFO. Otherwise you can’t amass enough points. He did that to the detriment of Boutneus. I assumed, (because I thought I was dealing with at least a basic level of intelligence, I was wrong) that we could all agree that in this game the guy PTFO’d. Next time I’ll slay out every base assumption to make my point a little clearer. > [@lllPeligrolll](#): > > > [@HuwJarz](#): > > > > > [@lllPeligrolll](#): > > > > > > That’s the thing with stats. You can’t really paint a fair and clear picture with it. Might be a PTFO Player, might not be. > > > > There is that BS tenuous argument again. > > > > Very occassionally, a guy with a score like that can top a leaderboard. It happens. As @WetFishDB said, he probably threw down a load of ammo crates and ran with a squad, constantly resupplying. It does not invalidate statistics. I think you are totally wrong. I think you can infer quite a lot from that scoreboard. > > > > Over the course of many games, a pattern will appear in his stats. Let’s take this guy that topped the board. I bet, before I even looked at his stats that he: > > > > 1. Has a poor K/D overall > > 2. Runs a lot with a squad and gets lots of best squads > > 3. Have very few MVP’s > > 4. Has a very poor KPM > > 5. Has a low win% > > 6. Has low skill > > 7. Runs mainly support > > 8. Plays mainly operations (more choke points to resupply) > > > > Andthe results were: > > > > 1. 0.76. Correct > > 2. 57/600 games. I was wrong on this one > > 3. Only 7 out of 600. Correct > > 4. 0.59. Correct > > 5. 48.9 - Correct > > 6. 225 - Correct > > 7. Correct. His most played class is support > > 8. Correct > > > > So there you go. I made 8 predictions about a players stats, just by looking at one scoreboard…and I was able to get 7 out fo 8 correct. I knew pretty much exactly what I was looking at when I saw that leaderboard. Over the course of many games, his stats are very clear and its is easy to infer player skill and behaviour. > > > > People that say that stat are useless just don’t understands basis statistical concepts like outliers and use them to try to disprove stats. Invariably people that do that have really bad core stats themselves and try to discredit stats to cover up and justify their own poor performance. Stats don’t lie when one has strong statistically valid sample sizes (games played) and a large player count (to negate the effect of a small number of boosters that themselves are outliers) > > > > Let’s stop this BS about not being able to trust stats. Over the course of a statistically valid sample, they are very revealing. Occasionally a rare event will happen and a poor player will rack up an MVP. It happens. Rare events do not invalidate statistics. They are just rare events. > > > > I’ve actually proven in these forums that MVP’s happen incredibly rarely for players with negative K/D’s. I think from memory (and I did a proper sampling at the time) that I proved in these forums that you are 23x more likely to get an MVP if you have a positive K/D than if you have a negative K/D in a given game I proved with stats that it was possible, but unlikely. > > > > Here is the thing. Stats are interesting and useful. People spouting rubbish about things they don’t understand are not interesting. They are just ignorant. > > Nothing in your post said if he ptfo or not. I’m afraid your explanation was all for nothing. I don’t disagree what’s said here. At all. Read the context of what I said and how I said it. I didn’t say you can’t tollaly trust stats. That’s a strawman. What nonsense. A scoreboard was posted. To top a leaderboard in a game you have to PTFO. I think that that is a reasonable assumption. Otherwise you can’t amass enough points. He did that to the detriment of Boutneus. I assumed, (because I thought I was dealing with at least a basic level of intelligence) that we could all agree that in this specific game the guy PTFO’d. Next time I’ll slay out every base assumption to make my point a little clearer. I was able to infer a lot about the player with only one leaderboard. That is my point 1. I also argue that his overall stats paint a clear picture of skill and ability. That is really the main point. And the fact that others here are making qualitative judgments about the players ability shows that as per usual, I am right. 😉 [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/i-think-i-ve-found-one-of-those-illusive-ptfo-players-u-always-hear-about/259240.md?page=1)