# Impossible to play without seeing a cheat **URL:** \ **Category:** PC\ **Created:** [March 30, 2017, 11:29pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/impossible-to-play-without-seeing-a-cheat/103902 "2017-03-30T23:29:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![FierceBrosnan007](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/fiercebrosnan007/32/101944_2.png) [@FierceBrosnan007](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/FierceBrosnan007)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2017, 11:17pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/impossible-to-play-without-seeing-a-cheat/103902/221 "2017-07-09T23:17:00Z")
> [@Micas99](#): > > There seems to be two major themes in this thread. Cheating is rampant and EA/Dice isn’t doing enough to combat it; Cheating is rare, and the real problem is legit players being hacusated. Fixing issue 1 fixes issue 2, but either way, that there are false accusations does not imply that there is no cheating. Nobody can know the extent of cheats. Whining about false hackusations is a red herring, and you’ll find most cheat provider sites encourage their customers to deny and deflect on forums like this one. > > The only way the situation will change is through conventional market forces. If you buy and play the game, you incentivise EA/Dice to continue the status quo. Game publishing is all about the money and only when it’s financially advantageous to have effective AC will you ever see it. Expecting admins to police servers is not effective AC. Expecting players to record videos of cheaters and report them on Origin is not effective AC. In reality, that’s just a joke. > > I’m doing my part. I quit playing BF1 months ago and I will not buy another EA multiplayer title that does not have proven AC capability. Every one of you that thinks that it is important to have proper AC in the game should simply stop playing it and play something else, otherwise this situation will not change. > > Besides, it would be beyond hilarious if the only ones playing BF1 on PC are the cheaters.. battle of the bots! Good post sir. (and people are leaving.. numbers are dropping. Dice/EA are killing off BF1 and the franchise by doing nothing in relation to a better, additional AC. Sad but true.) ---
**Author:** ![lucidstorm](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/lucidstorm/32/102687_2.png) [@lucidstorm](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/lucidstorm)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2017, 11:34pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/impossible-to-play-without-seeing-a-cheat/103902/222 "2017-07-09T23:34:00Z")
and anyway (skip to 2:30): https://www.youtube.com/embed/XsU5AMxvlKg?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque ---
**Author:** ![BAITness](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/baitness/32/104804_2.png) [@BAITness](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BAITness)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 12:47am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/impossible-to-play-without-seeing-a-cheat/103902/223 "2017-07-10T00:47:00Z")
> [@lucidstorm](#): > > I am personally against such test, IQ tests included. I am normally an average player and average shooter and so on (the test woul proove that I am sure), > > but just sometimes when I need to save myself (like I would during a life-threathening situation) I go into automatic -state, to destroy that threat and that is bloody fast (and happens not very often like I said) > > human brain is beautiful and has a alot of hidden potential impossible to test in 2017, not yet. Alright, well thanks for the civil conversation bud. It seems we are going to end up disagreeing on this one. Also, that is who I was thought you might link. First, that is not reaction time. The balloons are there the entire time. That is just being quick on the draw. Second, this man does not even have the official record - he claims to have held it multiple times, resulting in a lot of controversy over there being no evidence of that. Finally, my understanding is that the residue ejected from the gun barrel with the bullets is hot enough at that distance to pop the balloon, whether or not he successfully hit it - hence them oddly using balloons instead of real targets. Here is the actual world record, done in competition with reaction time: [http://www.fastdraw.org/fd\_draw.html](http://www.fastdraw.org/fd_draw.html) It even measures the reaction time of the world champion, at an insane 145 milliseconds (that is his estimate, I would imagine it is actually slower). That is absolutely incredible unbelievable reaction time. That 0.145 seconds is still 10 times too long to do what the player in the video did. ---
**Author:** ![DeLtAuk2004](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/deltauk2004/32/101684_2.png) [@DeLtAuk2004](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DeLtAuk2004)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 5:50am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/impossible-to-play-without-seeing-a-cheat/103902/224 "2017-07-10T05:50:00Z")
Tried the human benchmark lol admittedly I’ve just woke up got 356ms no bot hands for me ☹ ---
**Author:** ![IllIllIII](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/illilliii/32/102293_2.png) [@IllIllIII](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/IllIllIII)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 5:52am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/impossible-to-play-without-seeing-a-cheat/103902/225 "2017-07-10T05:52:00Z")
> [@DeLtAuk2004](#): > > Tried the human benchmark lol admittedly I’ve just woke up got 356ms no bot hands for me ☹ Lol. Can’t wait to test myself when i return home from work… ---
**Author:** ![DeLtAuk2004](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/deltauk2004/32/101684_2.png) [@DeLtAuk2004](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DeLtAuk2004)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 6:04am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/impossible-to-play-without-seeing-a-cheat/103902/226 "2017-07-10T06:04:00Z")
> [@IllIllIII](#): > > > [@DeLtAuk2004](#): > > > > Tried the human benchmark lol admittedly I’ve just woke up got 356ms no bot hands for me ☹ > > Lol. > Can’t wait to test myself when i return home from work… Maybe I will try with my mouse later did that one on my phone tapping the screen … ---
**Author:** ![IllIllIII](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/illilliii/32/102293_2.png) [@IllIllIII](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/IllIllIII)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 6:17am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/impossible-to-play-without-seeing-a-cheat/103902/227 "2017-07-10T06:17:00Z")
> [@DeLtAuk2004](#): > > > [@IllIllIII](#): > > > > > [@DeLtAuk2004](#): > > > > > > Tried the human benchmark lol admittedly I’ve just woke up got 356ms no bot hands for me ☹ > > > > Lol. > > Can’t wait to test myself when i return home from work… > > Maybe I will try with my mouse later did that one on my phone tapping the screen … Yea just did it myself on my phone. 294 ms. Nice to test reactiontime, but it has nothing to do with aiming tho. ---
**Author:** ![DeLtAuk2004](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/deltauk2004/32/101684_2.png) [@DeLtAuk2004](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DeLtAuk2004)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 6:23am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/impossible-to-play-without-seeing-a-cheat/103902/228 "2017-07-10T06:23:00Z")
If the test was how quick you can shut down a porn site page when your misses walks in I’d have got 0.000001 ms 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![IllIllIII](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/illilliii/32/102293_2.png) [@IllIllIII](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/IllIllIII)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 6:36am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/impossible-to-play-without-seeing-a-cheat/103902/229 "2017-07-10T06:36:00Z")
> [@DeLtAuk2004](#): > > If the test was how quick you can shut down a porn site page when your misses walks in I’d have got 0.000001 ms 🙂 Lol, don’t you hate the sites that as you " are you sure?" 😃 ---
**Author:** ![DeLtAuk2004](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/deltauk2004/32/101684_2.png) [@DeLtAuk2004](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DeLtAuk2004)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 6:44am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/impossible-to-play-without-seeing-a-cheat/103902/230 "2017-07-10T06:44:00Z")
> [@IllIllIII](#): > > > [@DeLtAuk2004](#): > > > > If the test was how quick you can shut down a porn site page when your misses walks in I’d have got 0.000001 ms 🙂 > > Lol, don’t you hate the sites that as you " are you sure?" 😃 Lol 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Matty101yttam](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@Matty101yttam](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Matty101yttam)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 8:05am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/impossible-to-play-without-seeing-a-cheat/103902/231 "2017-07-10T08:05:00Z")
The 10 second clip is NOT enough, the spectator mode is not updated like the regular game, it’s quite frankly rubbish, you need to give more than 10 seconds. Spectator is giving absolute minimal information…late, so tracking looks like a smooth follow but it’s the interpolation between server info being averaged out that gives a much smoother movement. If you watch another player move around it almost looks like they’re playing with a controller, you never see tiny quick looks left/right for instance. ---
**Author:** ![wiazabi](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/85e7bf/32.png) [@wiazabi](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/wiazabi)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 9:59am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/impossible-to-play-without-seeing-a-cheat/103902/232 "2017-07-10T09:59:00Z")
Played round and was killed by suspect person, no crazy score or anything but decided to spectate next round and true enough wallhack aimbot but just bad enough to go below FF radar. He always knew where players are and would turn aimbot on / off during the round and could barely hit anything with it off. Tried killing a person just to have aimbot snap him to a different target way off and kill that person instead. Had to turn aimbot off while trying to take down blimp in st aa since it kept aiming at the infantry walking ontop of it ( lol ). ---
**Author:** ![SirBobdk](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sirbobdk/32/103491_2.png) [@SirBobdk](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SirBobdk)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 10:19am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/impossible-to-play-without-seeing-a-cheat/103902/233 "2017-07-10T10:19:00Z")
> [@@wiazabi](#): > > Played round and was killed by suspect person, no crazy score or anything but decided to spectate next round and true enough wallhack aimbot but just bad enough to go below FF radar. You can finde many players like this. Most cheaters know well where the limit goes before they are discovered. After 15 years of gaming, I can sense when a player is dodgy and In most cases it is correct. ---
**Author:** ![TyroneLoyd\_TV](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/tyroneloyd_tv/32/103927_2.png) [@TyroneLoyd\_TV](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TyroneLoyd_TV)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 10:37am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/impossible-to-play-without-seeing-a-cheat/103902/234 "2017-07-10T10:37:00Z")
> [@Matty101yttam](#): > > The 10 second clip is NOT enough, the spectator mode is not updated like the regular game, it’s quite frankly rubbish, you need to give more than 10 seconds. > Spectator is giving absolute minimal information…late, so tracking looks like a smooth follow but it’s the interpolation between server info being averaged out that gives a much smoother movement. > If you watch another player move around it almost looks like they’re playing with a controller, you never see tiny quick looks left/right for instance. That’s what I was asking about earlier if spectator was almost a one to one view or not (I know it’s not completely possible). It’s why I’m confused to why I’m hacksated so much while being spectated. So your saying there’s a hell of alot of interpolation. ---
**Author:** ![PcPAirgun](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/f1d935/32.png) [@PcPAirgun](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/PcPAirgun)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 11:19am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/impossible-to-play-without-seeing-a-cheat/103902/235 "2017-07-10T11:19:00Z")
> [@TyroneLoyd](#): > > So your saying there’s a hell of alot of interpolation. **Playing on Server:** Ping 30-35ms Extra Offset 15-20ms Tickrates 60/60 **Spectating on same Server:** Ping 138-150ms Extra Offset 350-500ms Tickrates 60/10 Yep, spectating is like reading yesterday’s Paper. ---
**Author:** ![TyroneLoyd\_TV](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/tyroneloyd_tv/32/103927_2.png) [@TyroneLoyd\_TV](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TyroneLoyd_TV)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 11:37am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/impossible-to-play-without-seeing-a-cheat/103902/236 "2017-07-10T11:37:00Z")
> [@PcPAirgun](#): > > > [@TyroneLoyd](#): > > > > So your saying there’s a hell of alot of interpolation. > > **Playing on Server:** > Ping 30-35ms > Extra Offset 15-20ms > Tickrates 60/60 > > **Spectating on same Server:** > Ping 138-150ms > Extra Offset 350-500ms > Tickrates 60/10 > > Yep, spectating is like reading yesterday’s Paper. hmm neat ---
**Author:** ![TyroneLoyd\_TV](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/tyroneloyd_tv/32/103927_2.png) [@TyroneLoyd\_TV](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TyroneLoyd_TV)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 11:40am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/impossible-to-play-without-seeing-a-cheat/103902/237 "2017-07-10T11:40:00Z")
> [@DeLtAuk2004](#): > > Tried the human benchmark lol admittedly I’ve just woke up got 356ms no bot hands for me ☹ averaged 196 twas fun to see at least ---
**Author:** ![IllIllIII](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/illilliii/32/102293_2.png) [@IllIllIII](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/IllIllIII)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 11:49am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/impossible-to-play-without-seeing-a-cheat/103902/238 "2017-07-10T11:49:00Z")
> [@TyroneLoyd](#): > > > [@DeLtAuk2004](#): > > > > Tried the human benchmark lol admittedly I’ve just woke up got 356ms no bot hands for me ☹ > > averaged 196 twas fun to see at least Mouse or finger on the phone? ---
**Author:** ![lucidstorm](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/lucidstorm/32/102687_2.png) [@lucidstorm](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/lucidstorm)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 11:51am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/impossible-to-play-without-seeing-a-cheat/103902/239 "2017-07-10T11:51:00Z")
> [@](#): > > @BAITness First, that is not reaction time. The balloons are there the entire time. That is just being quick on the draw. […] First, that is not the only vid he made, I think he did alot of pop out shooting (targets appearing and disappearing) and flying objects shooting. Some observation on the subject are worthy of note (interesting reply, thx), probably I will use it - with your permission - to address the author of the vids, lets see what he’s going to say on the matter. > [@](#): > > @BAITness […] That is absolutely incredible unbelievable reaction time. That 0.145 seconds is still 10 times too long to do what the player in the video did […] my theory is that under stress and sometimes you can hack your abitual reaction time, there is only an electrical reaction and not the usuall brain processing (observation/evaluation/decision/action), like plants/insects do when they defend themselves, action/reaction which is instant. The only limit is the gear you are using (connection speed, cable speed, mouse/keyboard). ---
**Author:** ![TyroneLoyd\_TV](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/tyroneloyd_tv/32/103927_2.png) [@TyroneLoyd\_TV](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TyroneLoyd_TV)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 12:28pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/impossible-to-play-without-seeing-a-cheat/103902/240 "2017-07-10T12:28:00Z")
> [@IllIllIII](#): > > > [@TyroneLoyd](#): > > > > > [@DeLtAuk2004](#): > > > > > > Tried the human benchmark lol admittedly I’ve just woke up got 356ms no bot hands for me ☹ > > > > averaged 196 twas fun to see at least > > Mouse or finger on the phone? Mouse o.o [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/impossible-to-play-without-seeing-a-cheat/103902.md?page=11) [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/impossible-to-play-without-seeing-a-cheat/103902.md?page=13)