# In order to PTFO you need good K/D and thats the ultimate stat **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 7, 2017, 10:44am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/in-order-to-ptfo-you-need-good-k-d-and-thats-the-ultimate-stat/103262 "2017-11-07T10:44:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Antares65z](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/antares65z/32/100925_2.png) [@Antares65z](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Antares65z)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 7:32pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/in-order-to-ptfo-you-need-good-k-d-and-thats-the-ultimate-stat/103262/41 "2017-11-07T19:32:00Z")
> [@James-MII](#): > > The people who want the KD removed usually have a rubbish one. If K/D tracking on the scoreboard was removed and success in a round was measured on points earned, players would PTFO and the rounds (you would hope) would be more balanced. Many players only care about their K/D and will abandon the round when they’re convinced that their K/D ratio is going to get tarnished, even though they were in the middle of the pack on the scoreboard. A compromise would be, K/D is removed from the scoreboard but is tracked on an individual player’s stats. The only way for other players to see another player’s K/D ratio is to look them up in the system. ---
**Author:** ![Toshevbg](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/a698b9/32.png) [@Toshevbg](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Toshevbg)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 7:34pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/in-order-to-ptfo-you-need-good-k-d-and-thats-the-ultimate-stat/103262/42 "2017-11-07T19:34:00Z")
> [@Y0L04LIF3](#): > > > [@KorpusDraige](#): > > > > > [@Y0L04LIF3](#): > > > > > > > [@KorpusDraige](#): > > > > > > > > > [@trip1ex](#): > > > > > > > > > > There are just players who play for stats. And don’t help the team’s goals. Probably the more hated types because they should know better than newbs. > > > > > > > > So, the players with no stats is winning the match over the players with stats? Logic. > > > > > > no, the player helping out his team is winning the match over the guy that rushes in to an objective, nets a few kills and doesn’t stay to cap a flag. > > > > > > it’s pretty sound logic actually. > > > > Because the guy has a good k/d that is what he’s doing? No. > > because camping on a hill as a Sniper is helping out the team more? i thought so. Yes a hill sniper that can do 30/3 and uses FLARE Is by far more useful then some kid doing 10/10 and raiding waves or throwing useless ammo. You do understand that most of the RED dots on your map are spotted by scouts. The more you use the map the more you will appreciate those SCOUTS that hill humb.. I can clear a flag of 5 people if I have a scout with a flare. People do not appreciate those things they think they are given They also spot with their sniper. For me One spot\> 5 ammo pouches. It saves your life and gets one from their team ---
**Author:** ![Toshevbg](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/a698b9/32.png) [@Toshevbg](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Toshevbg)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 7:38pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/in-order-to-ptfo-you-need-good-k-d-and-thats-the-ultimate-stat/103262/43 "2017-11-07T19:38:00Z")
> [@Y0L04LIF3](#): > > > [@KorpusDraige](#): > > > > > [@trip1ex](#): > > > > > > There are just players who play for stats. And don’t help the team’s goals. Probably the more hated types because they should know better than newbs. > > > > So, the players with no stats is winning the match over the players with stats? Logic. > > no, the player helping out his team is winning the match over the guy that rushes in to an objective, nets a few kills and doesn’t stay to cap a flag. > > it’s pretty sound logic actually. Man are you nuts? Conquest is a game of speed. You need to cap/retake caps faster. There needs SOMEONE TO RUSH and kill the guys from the capture so someone can get it. If there are no such KILLERS who will kill the enemies? The negate KD medic or support that are running behind? Ofcours the guy that goes first and clears it is the better player by far. Big deal that he died on his 3th or 4th kill and some bad gun fighter managers to get all points from capping. The same guy if he stays to defend will probably die first What are your stats if you show them ---
**Author:** ![Fleetwood1987](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/82dd89/32.png) [@Fleetwood1987](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Fleetwood1987)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 7:40pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/in-order-to-ptfo-you-need-good-k-d-and-thats-the-ultimate-stat/103262/44 "2017-11-07T19:40:00Z")
K/D means nothing, I know a few snipers with great K/Ds and nasty stomach sores… ---
**Author:** ![KorpusDraige](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/korpusdraige/32/102566_2.png) [@KorpusDraige](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/KorpusDraige)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 7:44pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/in-order-to-ptfo-you-need-good-k-d-and-thats-the-ultimate-stat/103262/45 "2017-11-07T19:44:00Z")
> [@Y0L04LIF3](#): > > > [@KorpusDraige](#): > > > > > [@Y0L04LIF3](#): > > > > > > > [@KorpusDraige](#): > > > > > > > > > [@trip1ex](#): > > > > > > > > > > There are just players who play for stats. And don’t help the team’s goals. Probably the more hated types because they should know better than newbs. > > > > > > > > So, the players with no stats is winning the match over the players with stats? Logic. > > > > > > no, the player helping out his team is winning the match over the guy that rushes in to an objective, nets a few kills and doesn’t stay to cap a flag. > > > > > > it’s pretty sound logic actually. > > > > Because the guy has a good k/d that is what he’s doing? No. > > because camping on a hill as a Sniper is helping out the team more? i thought so. Snipers on hills get kills? Must be new. ---
**Author:** ![Trokey66](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/trokey66/32/103889_2.png) [@Trokey66](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Trokey66)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 8:20pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/in-order-to-ptfo-you-need-good-k-d-and-thats-the-ultimate-stat/103262/46 "2017-11-07T20:20:00Z")
> [@Toshevbg](#): > > > [@Y0L04LIF3](#): > > > > > [@KorpusDraige](#): > > > > > > > [@Y0L04LIF3](#): > > > > > > > > > [@KorpusDraige](#): > > > > > > > > > > > [@trip1ex](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > There are just players who play for stats. And don’t help the team’s goals. Probably the more hated types because they should know better than newbs. > > > > > > > > > > So, the players with no stats is winning the match over the players with stats? Logic. > > > > > > > > no, the player helping out his team is winning the match over the guy that rushes in to an objective, nets a few kills and doesn’t stay to cap a flag. > > > > > > > > it’s pretty sound logic actually. > > > > > > Because the guy has a good k/d that is what he’s doing? No. > > > > because camping on a hill as a Sniper is helping out the team more? i thought so. > > Yes a hill sniper that can do 30/3 and uses FLARE Is by far more useful then some kid doing 10/10 and raiding waves or throwing useless ammo. You do understand that most of the RED dots on your map are spotted by scouts. The more you use the map the more you will appreciate those SCOUTS that hill humb.. I can clear a flag of 5 people if I have a scout with a flare. People do not appreciate those things they think they are given > > They also spot with their sniper. For me One spot\> 5 ammo pouches. It saves your life and gets one from their team What does the Scout do after he has popped his flares? ---
**Author:** ![2uneducated4\_BF5](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/2uneducated4_bf5/32/101106_2.png) [@2uneducated4\_BF5](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/2uneducated4_BF5)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 8:21pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/in-order-to-ptfo-you-need-good-k-d-and-thats-the-ultimate-stat/103262/47 "2017-11-07T20:21:00Z")
> [@KorpusDraige](#): > > > [@Y0L04LIF3](#): > > > > > [@KorpusDraige](#): > > > > > > > [@Y0L04LIF3](#): > > > > > > > > > [@KorpusDraige](#): > > > > > > > > > > > [@trip1ex](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > There are just players who play for stats. And don’t help the team’s goals. Probably the more hated types because they should know better than newbs. > > > > > > > > > > So, the players with no stats is winning the match over the players with stats? Logic. > > > > > > > > no, the player helping out his team is winning the match over the guy that rushes in to an objective, nets a few kills and doesn’t stay to cap a flag. > > > > > > > > it’s pretty sound logic actually. > > > > > > Because the guy has a good k/d that is what he’s doing? No. > > > > because camping on a hill as a Sniper is helping out the team more? i thought so. > > Snipers on hills get kills? Must be new. The other day I saw a sniper on the enemy scoreboard.He was on the attacking team, operations Fao Fortress.He went 70-0, but in the end, they lost.That guy was worth more than 2-3 average medics.He had a far more positive effect on the enemy team than most other players.Even the assumption that killing many enemies without dying yourself in an FPS game is somehow not a major contributor to skill is ridiculous.If you add in SPM and KPM you have about 90% of what we call skill in battlefield (of course, context is needed i.e. played game mode, played class and vehicles).I take competent hill humpers over incompetent medics and supports. ---
**Author:** ![x\_Undaunted\_x](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/x_undaunted_x/32/104094_2.png) [@x\_Undaunted\_x](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/x_Undaunted_x)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 8:35pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/in-order-to-ptfo-you-need-good-k-d-and-thats-the-ultimate-stat/103262/48 "2017-11-07T20:35:00Z")
> [@Trokey66](#): > > > [@Toshevbg](#): > > > > > [@Y0L04LIF3](#): > > > > > > > [@KorpusDraige](#): > > > > > > > > > [@Y0L04LIF3](#): > > > > > > > > > > > [@KorpusDraige](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@trip1ex](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are just players who play for stats. And don’t help the team’s goals. Probably the more hated types because they should know better than newbs. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, the players with no stats is winning the match over the players with stats? Logic. > > > > > > > > > > no, the player helping out his team is winning the match over the guy that rushes in to an objective, nets a few kills and doesn’t stay to cap a flag. > > > > > > > > > > it’s pretty sound logic actually. > > > > > > > > Because the guy has a good k/d that is what he’s doing? No. > > > > > > because camping on a hill as a Sniper is helping out the team more? i thought so. > > > > Yes a hill sniper that can do 30/3 and uses FLARE Is by far more useful then some kid doing 10/10 and raiding waves or throwing useless ammo. You do understand that most of the RED dots on your map are spotted by scouts. The more you use the map the more you will appreciate those SCOUTS that hill humb.. I can clear a flag of 5 people if I have a scout with a flare. People do not appreciate those things they think they are given > > > > They also spot with their sniper. For me One spot\> 5 ammo pouches. It saves your life and gets one from their team > > What does the Scout do after he has popped his flares? Makes a sandwich? ---
**Author:** ![Trokey66](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/trokey66/32/103889_2.png) [@Trokey66](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Trokey66)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 8:40pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/in-order-to-ptfo-you-need-good-k-d-and-thats-the-ultimate-stat/103262/49 "2017-11-07T20:40:00Z")
> [@x\_Undaunted\_x](#): > > > [@Trokey66](#): > > > > > [@Toshevbg](#): > > > > > > > [@Y0L04LIF3](#): > > > > > > > > > [@KorpusDraige](#): > > > > > > > > > > > [@Y0L04LIF3](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@KorpusDraige](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@trip1ex](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are just players who play for stats. And don’t help the team’s goals. Probably the more hated types because they should know better than newbs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, the players with no stats is winning the match over the players with stats? Logic. > > > > > > > > > > > > no, the player helping out his team is winning the match over the guy that rushes in to an objective, nets a few kills and doesn’t stay to cap a flag. > > > > > > > > > > > > it’s pretty sound logic actually. > > > > > > > > > > Because the guy has a good k/d that is what he’s doing? No. > > > > > > > > because camping on a hill as a Sniper is helping out the team more? i thought so. > > > > > > Yes a hill sniper that can do 30/3 and uses FLARE Is by far more useful then some kid doing 10/10 and raiding waves or throwing useless ammo. You do understand that most of the RED dots on your map are spotted by scouts. The more you use the map the more you will appreciate those SCOUTS that hill humb.. I can clear a flag of 5 people if I have a scout with a flare. People do not appreciate those things they think they are given > > > > > > They also spot with their sniper. For me One spot\> 5 ammo pouches. It saves your life and gets one from their team > > > > What does the Scout do after he has popped his flares? > > Makes a sandwich? Well he can’t spot much anymore so he may as well… ---
**Author:** ![MachoFantast1c0](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/machofantast1c0/32/100978_2.png) [@MachoFantast1c0](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MachoFantast1c0)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 9:48pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/in-order-to-ptfo-you-need-good-k-d-and-thats-the-ultimate-stat/103262/50 "2017-11-07T21:48:00Z")
@HuwJarz I feel that we are in agreement in the general sense, I just object to the idea of “strong” correlation between individual skill and win %. If it was so, you could use win % as a proxy for skill. Having gone over stats of hundreds of players, I don’t find this plausible. Additionally, I don’t think you could look up the stats of an arbitrary player and based on win % alone make a serious statement about personal skill. . Furthermore, the practical value range for skill (the gap) is far wider than that of win %; skill typically varies between 150 and 700, whereas win % gap varies between 40(0) and 70(0) (normalized). (There are outliers of course, no need for @ProLegion_exor to educate me on this ;).) So due to this compression, you’d be hard pressed to make a comparison between players of 50% and 55%, or 65% and 70% win percentage. If anything, only huge differences carry some predictive value, and even then the other factors may well dominate and invalidate the prediction. . I guess that’s enough nitpicking for tonight. ---
**Author:** ![trip1ex](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/779978/32.png) [@trip1ex](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/trip1ex)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 9:55pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/in-order-to-ptfo-you-need-good-k-d-and-thats-the-ultimate-stat/103262/51 "2017-11-07T21:55:00Z")
> [@AngelaMerkel1337](#): > > > [@KorpusDraige](#): > > > > > [@Y0L04LIF3](#): > > > > > > > [@KorpusDraige](#): > > > > > > > > > [@Y0L04LIF3](#): > > > > > > > > > > > [@KorpusDraige](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@trip1ex](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are just players who play for stats. And don’t help the team’s goals. Probably the more hated types because they should know better than newbs. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, the players with no stats is winning the match over the players with stats? Logic. > > > > > > > > > > no, the player helping out his team is winning the match over the guy that rushes in to an objective, nets a few kills and doesn’t stay to cap a flag. > > > > > > > > > > it’s pretty sound logic actually. > > > > > > > > Because the guy has a good k/d that is what he’s doing? No. > > > > > > because camping on a hill as a Sniper is helping out the team more? i thought so. > > > > Snipers on hills get kills? Must be new. > > The other day I saw a sniper on the enemy scoreboard.He was on the attacking team, operations Fao Fortress.He went 70-0, but in the end, they lost.That guy was worth more than 2-3 average medics.He had a far more positive effect on the enemy team than most other players.Even the assumption that killing many enemies without dying yourself in an FPS game is somehow not a major contributor to skill is ridiculous.If you add in SPM and KPM you have about 90% of what we call skill in battlefield (of course, context is needed i.e. played game mode, played class and vehicles).I take competent hill humpers over incompetent medics and supports. I’d rather that same guy not snipe if his team needs more guys to push flags. I’d rather him win and be 48-22. ---
**Author:** ![MayorMarionBarry](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/mayormarionbarry/32/102769_2.png) [@MayorMarionBarry](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MayorMarionBarry)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 9:56pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/in-order-to-ptfo-you-need-good-k-d-and-thats-the-ultimate-stat/103262/52 "2017-11-07T21:56:00Z")
Did you guys solve this topic yet? ---
**Author:** ![rock1obsta](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/rock1obsta/32/103288_2.png) [@rock1obsta](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/rock1obsta)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 10:13pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/in-order-to-ptfo-you-need-good-k-d-and-thats-the-ultimate-stat/103262/53 "2017-11-07T22:13:00Z")
No you don’t. Besides, the definition of “good” is ALWAYS gonna be up for grabs. It’s an entirely subjective term that can mean infinitely different things to a billion different people, depending on their own definition of bad. Whats good for you, or me, or that guy, might be utter garbage to this guy over here. Dig? ---
**Author:** ![munkt0r](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@munkt0r](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/munkt0r)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 10:26pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/in-order-to-ptfo-you-need-good-k-d-and-thats-the-ultimate-stat/103262/54 "2017-11-07T22:26:00Z")
Good squad with “ok” K/D \> 1 guy with “god-like” K/D K/D as a focus is always negative for a game though. Especially one with specific “hold” objectives. My 2 cents. ---
**Author:** ![Piotrek1983pm](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@Piotrek1983pm](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Piotrek1983pm)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 10:56pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/in-order-to-ptfo-you-need-good-k-d-and-thats-the-ultimate-stat/103262/55 "2017-11-07T22:56:00Z")
> [@zwolseballetjes](#): > > The most important thing is that you have fun. Who cares about what other players think of you or your playstyle?? When i play then i do my thing what i like to do. If other players not like it then it is there problem not mine. And who cares about KD?? Only noobs do you are definition of SELFISHNESS! ---
**Author:** ![zwolseballetjes](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/zwolseballetjes/32/104210_2.png) [@zwolseballetjes](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/zwolseballetjes)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 11:04pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/in-order-to-ptfo-you-need-good-k-d-and-thats-the-ultimate-stat/103262/56 "2017-11-07T23:04:00Z")
> [@Piotrek1983pm](#): > > > [@zwolseballetjes](#): > > > > The most important thing is that you have fun. Who cares about what other players think of you or your playstyle?? When i play then i do my thing what i like to do. If other players not like it then it is there problem not mine. And who cares about KD?? Only noobs do > > you are definition of SELFISHNESS! Thanks for the compliment bro B) ---
**Author:** ![Lamuna2000](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Lamuna2000](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Lamuna2000)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2017, 12:18am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/in-order-to-ptfo-you-need-good-k-d-and-thats-the-ultimate-stat/103262/57 "2017-11-08T00:18:00Z")
[https://battlefieldtracker.com/bf1/profile/psn/lamu2000](https://battlefieldtracker.com/bf1/profile/psn/lamu2000) Am I a ptfo player ---
**Author:** ![ProLegion\_exor](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/prolegion_exor/32/101880_2.png) [@ProLegion\_exor](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ProLegion_exor)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2017, 12:23am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/in-order-to-ptfo-you-need-good-k-d-and-thats-the-ultimate-stat/103262/58 "2017-11-08T00:23:00Z")
> [@MachoFantast1c0](#): > > @HuwJarz I feel that we are in agreement in the general sense, I just object to the idea of “strong” correlation between individual skill and win %. If it was so, you could use win % as a proxy for skill. Having gone over stats of hundreds of players, I don’t find this plausible. Additionally, I don’t think you could look up the stats of an arbitrary player and based on win % alone make a serious statement about personal skill. > . > Furthermore, the practical value range for skill (the gap) is far wider than that of win %; skill typically varies between 150 and 700, whereas win % gap varies between 40(0) and 70(0) (normalized). (There are outliers of course, no need for @ProLegion_exor to educate me on this ;).) So due to this compression, you’d be hard pressed to make a comparison between players of 50% and 55%, or 65% and 70% win percentage. If anything, only huge differences carry some predictive value, and even then the other factors may well dominate and invalidate the prediction. > . > I guess that’s enough nitpicking for tonight. Haha, I wont 🙂 If you compare KPM and K/D of the players with 50-55-65-70 % W/L you will problably see a clear pattern. @HuwJarz u want to present some stats on that? Cheers ---
**Author:** ![BGHFlakjacket](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/bghflakjacket/32/101328_2.png) [@BGHFlakjacket](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BGHFlakjacket)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2017, 1:33am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/in-order-to-ptfo-you-need-good-k-d-and-thats-the-ultimate-stat/103262/59 "2017-11-08T01:33:00Z")
If anything, Dice caters to the KD crowd by giving to many points for kills and not enough for objectives. Not only that but they give out kills when you dont even kill an enemy but wound him and your buddy finishes him off. KD is artificially bloated in this game because it makes the KD crowd happy. People with a 1.2 KD are probably less than 1.0 when you factor in revives and assists counting as kills. ---
**Author:** ![Antares65z](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/antares65z/32/100925_2.png) [@Antares65z](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Antares65z)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2017, 1:40am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/in-order-to-ptfo-you-need-good-k-d-and-thats-the-ultimate-stat/103262/60 "2017-11-08T01:40:00Z")
> [@Trokey66](#): > > What does the Scout do after he has popped his flares? He gets shot for revealing his position. [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/in-order-to-ptfo-you-need-good-k-d-and-thats-the-ultimate-stat/103262.md?page=2) [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/in-order-to-ptfo-you-need-good-k-d-and-thats-the-ultimate-stat/103262.md?page=4)