# "It's time to end the MMG bipod meta" said Westie **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 19, 2019, 4:19pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019 "2019-06-19T16:19:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![JamieCurnock](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/9f8e36/32.png) [@JamieCurnock](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JamieCurnock)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 7:23pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/21 "2019-06-19T19:23:00Z")
> [@warslag](#): > > @JamieCurnock > > Bipods should not be in Battlefield at all. They are an awful gimmick. Really? A gimmick? It’s not like they made up some weird game mechanic that doesn’t exist in real life, it’s an actual thing. Bipods are real. Why are they a gimmick? ---
**Author:** ![Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hawxxeye/32/101036_2.png) [@Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Hawxxeye)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 7:29pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/22 "2019-06-19T19:29:00Z")
> [@JamieCurnock](#): > > > [@warslag](#): > > > > @JamieCurnock > > > > Bipods should not be in Battlefield at all. They are an awful gimmick. > > Really? A gimmick? It’s not like they made up some weird game mechanic that doesn’t exist in real life, it’s an actual thing. Bipods are real. Why are they a gimmick? The need to bipod to ADS is the jimmick. There are other ways to balance heavy weapons so they retain some usability when not bipoded ---
**Author:** ![JamieCurnock](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/9f8e36/32.png) [@JamieCurnock](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JamieCurnock)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 7:47pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/23 "2019-06-19T19:47:00Z")
> [@Hawxxeye](#): > > The need to bipod to ADS is the jimmick. There are other ways to balance heavy weapons so they retain some usability when not bipoded Yeah I would agree with that, not sure it’s the bipod itself that’s the issue. ---
**Author:** ![parkingbrake](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/ee7513/32.png) [@parkingbrake](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/parkingbrake)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 8:03pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/24 "2019-06-19T20:03:00Z")
> [@JamieCurnock](#): > > > [@warslag](#): > > > > @JamieCurnock > > > > Bipods should not be in Battlefield at all. They are an awful gimmick. > > Really? A gimmick? It’s not like they made up some weird game mechanic that doesn’t exist in real life, it’s an actual thing. Bipods are real. Why are they a gimmick? And they’ve been in the BF series for a decade, it’s bizarre how they’re suddenly an issue for some folks. ---
**Author:** ![warslag](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/warslag/32/101053_2.png) [@warslag](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/warslag)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 8:09pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/25 "2019-06-19T20:09:00Z")
> [@JamieCurnock](#): > > > [@warslag](#): > > > > @JamieCurnock > > > > Bipods should not be in Battlefield at all. They are an awful gimmick. > > Really? A gimmick? It’s not like they made up some weird game mechanic that doesn’t exist in real life, it’s an actual thing. Bipods are real. Why are they a gimmick? Because I believe bipods were one of those things that was put in Battlefield because players kept going on and on about it, particularly how it exists in real life (yawn). So they put it in the game as gimmick to keep those players happy. Which really is exactly why Westie is talking about it in the video. It’s a gimmick that shouldn’t be in the game because it’s just too powerful. Going prone should make guns more accurate but adding a bipod is a gimmick and I think it’s part of selling Battlefield. It’s the exact same reason there going to be putting maps into BFV that have chokepoints. They know players want it and they like spamming there bipod LMG/MMGs. Movement should be king and using a bipod should be very, very weak to the point of being pointless which means it shouldn’t be in the game in the first place. No doubt you’ll ignore all that and just go “nah, I want a bipod cus I wanna bipod and if I don’t get it we’ll have a mass tantrum on the forums”. ---
**Author:** ![SirTerrible](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sirterrible/32/103499_2.png) [@SirTerrible](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SirTerrible)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/26 "2019-06-19T20:12:00Z")
> [@parkingbrake](#): > > > [@llPhantom\_Limbll](#): > > > > So some youtube overlord posted some statement and we all have to jump on the bandwagon immediately? > > I don’t like campers but I dislike youtubers even more. I guess I won’t vote here at all. > > There are some YouTubers with valuable ideas to share, Chris at Battle(non)sense and WackyJacky come to mind, both because of how they analyze how games work in such detail. But most of the others, meh, occasionally interesting but often just blathering away to fill time and keep people watching. It’s one thing if a YouTuber can show you how to be a better player, but if he’s just yapping away about how he would design the game if he owned EA, that’s not something I’m going to waste much time on. The Battlenonsense guy has the worst game balance ideas ever tho. He should still to technical discussions. edit: stick, not still. typo! ---
**Author:** ![warslag](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/warslag/32/101053_2.png) [@warslag](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/warslag)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/27 "2019-06-19T20:12:00Z")
> [@parkingbrake](#): > > > [@JamieCurnock](#): > > > > > [@warslag](#): > > > > > > @JamieCurnock > > > > > > Bipods should not be in Battlefield at all. They are an awful gimmick. > > > > Really? A gimmick? It’s not like they made up some weird game mechanic that doesn’t exist in real life, it’s an actual thing. Bipods are real. Why are they a gimmick? > > And they’ve been in the BF series for a decade, it’s bizarre how they’re suddenly an issue for some folks. Yeah that’s bizarre. How comes Westie is only saying something now? That was my entire point. ---
**Author:** ![JamieCurnock](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/9f8e36/32.png) [@JamieCurnock](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JamieCurnock)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 8:39pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/28 "2019-06-19T20:39:00Z")
> [@warslag](#): > > Because I believe bipods were one of those things that was put in Battlefield because players kept going on and on about it, particularly how it exists in real life (yawn). So they put it in the game as gimmick to keep those players happy. Which really is exactly why Westie is talking about it in the video. It’s a gimmick that shouldn’t be in the game because it’s just too powerful. Going prone should make guns more accurate but adding a bipod is a gimmick and I think it’s part of selling Battlefield. It’s the exact same reason there going to be putting maps into BFV that have chokepoints. They know players want it and they like spamming there bipod LMG/MMGs. Movement should be king and using a bipod should be very, very weak to the point of being pointless which means it shouldn’t be in the game in the first place. No doubt you’ll ignore all that and just go “nah, I want a bipod cus I wanna bipod and if I don’t get it we’ll have a mass tantrum on the forums”. Spicy… “No doubt you’ll ignore all that and just go “nah, I want a bipod cus I wanna bipod and if I don’t get it we’ll have a mass tantrum on the forums”.” ---
**Author:** ![JamieCurnock](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/9f8e36/32.png) [@JamieCurnock](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JamieCurnock)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 8:40pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/29 "2019-06-19T20:40:00Z")
I see your point. I disagree but that’s cool. For me it’s been part of the franchise for over 10 years and it’s never been an issue. Not sure why bipods are suddenly such a hot topic ---
**Author:** ![Ferdinand\_J\_Foch](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/ferdinand_j_foch/32/101936_2.png) [@Ferdinand\_J\_Foch](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Ferdinand_J_Foch)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 8:41pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/30 "2019-06-19T20:41:00Z")
> [@warslag](#): > > Yeah that’s bizarre. How comes Westie is only saying something now? That was my entire point. It’s probably because bipoded MMGs are by far the most annoying version of bipod weapons ever in the franchise. It’s one thing to have enemies using bipods, but it’s another thing to have them use bipod weapons which fire at nearly 1000 RPM, as well as visibility that is so flawed that you probably didn’t see him before you were ripped apart by his ‘skill cannon’. The presence of Attrition doesn’t make matters better. For Westie, it’s either the straw that broke the camel’s back, or something so egregious that you can’t help but wonder out loud about the bizarre thought process DICE used to make these weapons so annoying to use and fight against. ---
**Author:** ![SirTerrible](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sirterrible/32/103499_2.png) [@SirTerrible](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SirTerrible)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 8:45pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/31 "2019-06-19T20:45:00Z")
I’m just a bit amused that all these things some youtubers are finally complaining about are crap that you could see would be an issue before even playing the alpha lol. It took 'em 7 months to notice the MMG meta is boring and probably contributing to people not wanting to play the game? Interesting. . Better late than never I guess but 😕 ---
**Author:** ![warslag](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/warslag/32/101053_2.png) [@warslag](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/warslag)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 8:48pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/32 "2019-06-19T20:48:00Z")
@Ferdinand_J_Foch ; Well, there is hypocrisy to this as well. Because we had Metro in two BFs, and Op Locker where players were prone with bipods and spamming through doorways. But then players - probably the same players that want bipods - don’t like planes. Yet planes have been mucked about with no end. But look at how sensitive little Timmy is when I suggest removing bipods. But now let’s look way into the future from BF3, BF4 and even BF1 to the present day with BFV and BEHOLD! more bipods and chokepoints in a Metro-style map in BFV. Now that’s what you call a “meta”! ---
**Author:** ![warslag](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/warslag/32/101053_2.png) [@warslag](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/warslag)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 8:53pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/33 "2019-06-19T20:53:00Z")
> [@SirTerrible](#): > > I’m just a bit amused that all these things some youtubers are finally complaining about are crap that you could see would be an issue before even playing the alpha lol. It took 'em 7 months to notice the MMG meta is boring and probably contributing to people not wanting to play the game? Interesting. > . > Better late than never I guess but 😕 Well, the nauseating irony, as some have pointed out not only in this thread but everywhere, is that if you go through a YouTuber’s history you’ll find a video or videos saying the diametric opposite of their latest video. ---
**Author:** ![Ferdinand\_J\_Foch](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/ferdinand_j_foch/32/101936_2.png) [@Ferdinand\_J\_Foch](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Ferdinand_J_Foch)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 8:53pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/34 "2019-06-19T20:53:00Z")
> [@warslag](#): > > @Ferdinand_J_Foch ; > > Well, there is hypocrisy to this as well. Because we had Metro in two BFs, and Op Locker where players were prone with bipods and spamming through doorways. > > But then players - probably the same players that want bipods - don’t like planes. Yet planes have been mucked about with no end. But look at how sensitive little Timmy is when I suggest removing bipods. > > But now let’s look way into the future from BF3, BF4 and even BF1 to the present day with BFV and BEHOLD! more bipods and chokepoints in a Metro-style map in BFV. > > Now that’s what you call a “meta”! Strangely enough, I don’t recall seeing too many bipod LMG users in BF3/4 in Metro … I was too worried about all of the explosive spam and shotgun corner campers. A new Metro-esque map with BFV’s MMG spam? I shudder to think of how horrifying it might be. If it’s going to be the same choke point haven we’ve gotten before, it’s going to somehow end up being the worst iteration of that map so far. Bloody hell, I’m going to have nightmares about this tonight. ---
**Author:** ![SirTerrible](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sirterrible/32/103499_2.png) [@SirTerrible](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SirTerrible)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 8:55pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/35 "2019-06-19T20:55:00Z")
> [@warslag](#): > > > [@SirTerrible](#): > > > > I’m just a bit amused that all these things some youtubers are finally complaining about are crap that you could see would be an issue before even playing the alpha lol. It took 'em 7 months to notice the MMG meta is boring and probably contributing to people not wanting to play the game? Interesting. > > . > > Better late than never I guess but 😕 > > Well, the nauseating irony, as some have pointed out not only in this thread but everywhere, is that if you go through a YouTuber’s history you’ll find a video or videos saying the diametric opposite of their latest video. Westie was one of the people that pushed for an increased TTK in Hardline. He was also one of the loudest people against increasing the TTK in BFV. His reasons for wanting to increase the TTK in Hardline all would apply to BFV as well but he has no consistency so.. ya. Good times. ---
**Author:** ![Astr0damus](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/e68b1a/32.png) [@Astr0damus](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Astr0damus)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 8:57pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/36 "2019-06-19T20:57:00Z")
> [@llPhantom\_Limbll](#): > > So some youtube overlord posted some statement and we all have to jump on the bandwagon immediately? > I don’t like campers but I dislike youtubers even more. I guess I won’t vote here at all. Good Lord, he said “overlord” 😃 But as RUSH once said “If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice” I will choose free-will ---
**Author:** ![DrunkOnRedWine](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/drunkonredwine/32/101790_2.png) [@DrunkOnRedWine](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DrunkOnRedWine)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 8:58pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/37 "2019-06-19T20:58:00Z")
Westie is a run and gun player so who cares. The guy whines on constantly. I wonder why he has so few subscribers because the man is dull. There are plenty of ways for a player to counter MMG players, so why the beef? Learn to play the game ---
**Author:** ![plasticman883](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/e95f7d/32.png) [@plasticman883](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/plasticman883)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 9:01pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/38 "2019-06-19T21:01:00Z")
> [@SirTerrible](#): > > > [@warslag](#): > > > > > [@SirTerrible](#): > > > > > > I’m just a bit amused that all these things some youtubers are finally complaining about are crap that you could see would be an issue before even playing the alpha lol. It took 'em 7 months to notice the MMG meta is boring and probably contributing to people not wanting to play the game? Interesting. > > > . > > > Better late than never I guess but 😕 > > > > Well, the nauseating irony, as some have pointed out not only in this thread but everywhere, is that if you go through a YouTuber’s history you’ll find a video or videos saying the diametric opposite of their latest video. > > Westie was one of the people that pushed for an increased TTK in Hardline. He was also one of the loudest people against increasing the TTK in BFV. His reasons for wanting to increase the TTK in Hardline all would apply to BFV as well but he has no consistency so.. ya. Good times. Same with Jack “the shill” Frags re resistance to an increase in TTK. He put out that doleful, miserable video as if it was some life or death issue and gee whaddya know, Dice change it back. 6 months on, when you can actually play without stutter, one of the biggest issues complained certainly on here is, yep, how the TTK is too short. ---
**Author:** ![Astr0damus](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/e68b1a/32.png) [@Astr0damus](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Astr0damus)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 9:01pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/39 "2019-06-19T21:01:00Z")
> [@llPhantom\_Limbll](#): > > > [@marcanthony421](#): > > > > Lol what do you have against youtubers? > > They are constantly lying and flip-flopping because of sweet sweet youtube money. Can’t trust a single word as their “opinion” may change with time. > Also, the whole “game changer” thing is nothing but a gigantic marketing tool serving only one purpose - to earn money for EA. > If you are not completely out of your mind, you won’t take those jokers seriously at any given time. I can watch a few of them, but there are some that are just too “corporate”.. you can hear how they want to say something, but instead they tip-toe around it and say stuff like “I’m not saying it’s OP or anything, but what do you think, put your comments below and tell me what your thoughts are” --as if they actually read them and care what I have to say. What they really need is 10 minutes to ramble and flip-flop on a topic so you can see how great they can play. ---
**Author:** ![plasticman883](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/e95f7d/32.png) [@plasticman883](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/plasticman883)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 9:07pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/40 "2019-06-19T21:07:00Z")
Remember that time Frags was shilling paid for cosmetics and boins then lo and behold they make an appearance a few weeks later. [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019.md?page=1) [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019.md?page=3)