# "It's time to end the MMG bipod meta" said Westie **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 19, 2019, 4:19pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019 "2019-06-19T16:19:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Jezzzeh](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/jezzzeh/32/106815_2.png) [@Jezzzeh](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Jezzzeh)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 9:15pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/41 "2019-06-19T21:15:00Z")
Totally disagree with Westie here. I happen to think hes done this for a bit of clickbait. I dislike how he gives “legitimacy” to the apparently rampant camping apparently affecting the game. Hes not stupid and knows the definition of camping, its very difficult to apply that definition to the game. Diluting the MMG to some version of a run and gun ADS weapon is a ridiculous idea. The LMG class does this effectively and his idea is not required. ---
**Author:** ![warslag](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/warslag/32/101053_2.png) [@warslag](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/warslag)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 8:20pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/42 "2019-07-24T20:20:00Z")
> [@DavTan](#): > > > [@warslag](#): > > > > DavTan said: > > > > warslag wrote: » > > mrtwotimes said: > > > > Wahh, I got killed in a war by a machine gun. > > > > It’s not a war though. It’s a game. > > > > It’s not just any game though. It’s a war game. > > I’m not sure about that, actually, as a ‘war game’ is a simulation and I don’t think Battlefield games really count as simulations. > > > > A war themed game yes. > > I didn’t say it was a Wargame ( notice that’s one word ) I said it is a war game eg a game about war … Which you agreed with in your final sentence. > mrtwotimes gets an upvote from me. No. It means that you now agree with me when I say Battlefield is only a game and not a war. The game play can be military themed but doesn’t have to simulate war which was my original point. ---
**Author:** ![DavTan](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/davtan/32/101656_2.png) [@DavTan](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DavTan)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 9:01pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/43 "2019-07-24T21:01:00Z")
(content removed by moderator - follow the forum rules, no bullying, no personal insults, keep it about the game) ---
**Author:** ![warslag](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/warslag/32/101053_2.png) [@warslag](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/warslag)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 9:21pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/44 "2019-07-24T21:21:00Z")
The fact stands that Battlefield is a game and not a war, and that using war as a way to back up points about game play is often ridiculous. So it’s not a war it’s a game. There’s an important and obvious distinction to be made between war and games even if the game is war themed. ---
**Author:** ![Mensrea831](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/mensrea831/32/106937_2.png) [@Mensrea831](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Mensrea831)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 6:24am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/45 "2019-07-25T06:24:00Z")
> [@VincentNZ](#): > > They are frustrating to play with and to play against, in that case you would call it balanced. However they do only allow for one playstyle and that is very stationary, without giving the player the intel necessary to be more dynamic and mobile. That is poor.I would have just done it the same way as in every other shooter and allow them to ADS, similar to how BF3 handled them with high spread and high recoil that would still give an advantage when bipodded, so that they are used for suppressing and sustained fire, while also having the capabilities to kill in engagements you did not expect. Signed, sealed, delivered.Right now they are only used in one way, and that annoys everyone, first and foremost the user, and I would want it changed. _laughs in 1200 rof ads_ sounds fair and balanced alright ---
**Author:** ![Foxassassin](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Foxassassin](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Foxassassin)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 10:02am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/46 "2019-07-25T10:02:00Z")
> [@Trokey66](#): > > I can’t, for the life of me, work out why youtubers haven’t made videos complaining about Assualt weapons yet… Three words. Conflict of interest ---
**Author:** ![Foxassassin](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Foxassassin](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Foxassassin)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 10:11am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/47 "2019-07-25T10:11:00Z")
> [@Kattegat\_Twin](#): > > > [@bran1986](#): > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > Laying in a bush out if bounds for a whole match or laying on your back in the corner of the house isn’t brain dead but smart?.. > > > [@bran1986](#): > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > Holding a bush out of bounds isn’t defending an objective, neither is laying on your back inside a building. > > You can only spend 10 seconds out of bounds. You can’t sit there for a whole match. And anyone hiding on the border is going to be on killcams and won’t last long. > > Laying on your back in a building \*is \*defending. Defending only counts in your eyes if you’re standing in the open? ## [Link to section: This physicially hurts. You having to explain the definition of “defense”. Playing a game of rush earlier this week and got flamed for using an MMG on the defending team. The three that were (trying)](#this-physicially-hurts-you-having-to-explain-the-definition-of-defense-playing-a-game-of-rush-earlier-this-week-and-got-flamed-for-using-an-mmg-on-the-defending-team-the-three-that-were-trying-to-call-me-out-were-just-sprinting-around-constantly-1)This physicially hurts. You having to explain the definition of “defense”. Playing a game of rush earlier this week and got flamed for using an MMG on the defending team. The three that were (trying) to call me out were just sprinting around constantly. Thankfully I had people on both sides vouch for me,but it’s fustrating to see people crying so much,about every little thing,mostly when it’s their faults ---
**Author:** ![Foxassassin](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Foxassassin](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Foxassassin)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 10:22am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/48 "2019-07-25T10:22:00Z")
> [@55567900](#): > > > [@YUKnowWhatItIz](#): > > > > I’m against them being nerfed. Just killed a group of 5 rushers. Instead of running around like crazy, use your head. > > game is not designed for you to hold a beer in one hand and slaughter the enemy team, while you sip away. ## [Link to section: X Doubt](#x-doubt-1)X Doubt ## [Link to section: There’s a hell of a lot more than just “sitting there”. This is only adding to the “I don’t play support,but I’ll bash it anyway” category.](#theres-a-hell-of-a-lot-more-than-just-sitting-there-this-is-only-adding-to-the-i-dont-play-supportbut-ill-bash-it-anyway-category-2)There’s a hell of a lot more than just “sitting there”. This is only adding to the “I don’t play support,but I’ll bash it anyway” category. If you take up a position you need to have FAR more situational awareness than any other playstyle. You need to listen to every sound. Keep your reflexes to an absolute point the entire time. Worried about a shot from someone you can’t see,while yes,the entire game is like that. Without being able to move quickly,or without fully adequate cover. It’s nerve wracking. ---
**Author:** ![MatthewSkeet](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/7993a0/32.png) [@MatthewSkeet](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MatthewSkeet)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 10:54am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/49 "2019-07-25T10:54:00Z")
> [@Foxassassin](#): > > > [@Kattegat\_Twin](#): > > > > > [@bran1986](#): > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > > > Laying in a bush out if bounds for a whole match or laying on your back in the corner of the house isn’t brain dead but smart?.. > > > > > [@bran1986](#): > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > > > Holding a bush out of bounds isn’t defending an objective, neither is laying on your back inside a building. > > > > You can only spend 10 seconds out of bounds. You can’t sit there for a whole match. And anyone hiding on the border is going to be on killcams and won’t last long. > > > > Laying on your back in a building \*is \*defending. Defending only counts in your eyes if you’re standing in the open? > > ## This physicially hurts. You having to explain the definition of “defense”. Playing a game of rush earlier this week and got flamed for using an MMG on the defending team. The three that were (trying) to call me out were just sprinting around constantly. > > Thankfully I had people on both sides vouch for me,but it’s fustrating to see people crying so much,about every little thing,mostly when it’s their faults if anything from below definition applies to your gameplay… you were camping In [video gaming](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game), **camping** is a controversial and much-hated tactic where a player obtains a static strategic position of advantage, like camping in a bush or something similar. This behaviour manifests in different ways depending on the type of game (online text adventure, graphical MMO, first-person shooter, etc.), but invariably involves a player waiting in one location (often one that is not easily accessible for the other players to reach) for the game (or other players of the game) to do something which they can take advantage of, often repeatedly. By camping, a player is able to learn and adapt to the limited environment he/she is playing in; noting specific points to check repetitively. By following this method with little fault, a lower number of deaths can be achieved ---
**Author:** ![Foxassassin](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Foxassassin](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Foxassassin)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 2:50pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/50 "2019-07-25T14:50:00Z")
> [@MatthewSkeet](#): > > > [@Foxassassin](#): > > > > > [@Kattegat\_Twin](#): > > > > > > > [@bran1986](#): > > > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > Laying in a bush out if bounds for a whole match or laying on your back in the corner of the house isn’t brain dead but smart?.. > > > > > > > [@bran1986](#): > > > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holding a bush out of bounds isn’t defending an objective, neither is laying on your back inside a building. > > > > > > You can only spend 10 seconds out of bounds. You can’t sit there for a whole match. And anyone hiding on the border is going to be on killcams and won’t last long. > > > > > > Laying on your back in a building \*is \*defending. Defending only counts in your eyes if you’re standing in the open? > > > > ## This physicially hurts. You having to explain the definition of “defense”. Playing a game of rush earlier this week and got flamed for using an MMG on the defending team. The three that were (trying) to call me out were just sprinting around constantly. > > > > Thankfully I had people on both sides vouch for me,but it’s fustrating to see people crying so much,about every little thing,mostly when it’s their faults > > if anything from below definition applies to your gameplay… you were camping > > In [video gaming](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game), **camping** is a controversial and much-hated tactic where a player obtains a static strategic position of advantage, like camping in a bush or something similar. This behaviour manifests in different ways depending on the type of game (online text adventure, graphical MMO, first-person shooter, etc.), but invariably involves a player waiting in one location (often one that is not easily accessible for the other players to reach) for the game (or other players of the game) to do something which they can take advantage of, often repeatedly. By camping, a player is able to learn and adapt to the limited environment he/she is playing in; noting specific points to check repetitively. By following this method with little fault, a lower number of deaths can be achieved ## [Link to section: Mhmm. Sure. And what’s the alternative? Rushing the attackers spawn? Spawn camping? “Camping” is a trained, knee-jerk reaction that’s been fuel-fed by action junkies.](#mhmm-sure-and-whats-the-alternative-rushing-the-attackers-spawn-spawn-camping-camping-is-a-trained-knee-jerk-reaction-thats-been-fuel-fed-by-action-junkies-1)Mhmm. Sure. And what’s the alternative? Rushing the attackers spawn? Spawn camping? “Camping” is a trained, knee-jerk reaction that’s been fuel-fed by action junkies. This game offers all types of playstyle,if you can’t fight against one of them,it’s your fault you can’t learn. ---
**Author:** ![Gattlin](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/gattlin/32/100960_2.png) [@Gattlin](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Gattlin)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 8:28pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/51 "2019-07-25T20:28:00Z")
I have no issues with MMG’s just the way they are, they suck to use unless under specific curcomstances. And then support is a headshot from anybody waiting to happen. Just leave things well enough alone. ---
**Author:** ![LOLGotYerTags](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/lolgotyertags/32/101041_2.png) [@LOLGotYerTags](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/LOLGotYerTags)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 11:48pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/52 "2019-07-25T23:48:00Z")
> [@MatthewSkeet](#): > > [post removed due to being overly toxic] Let’s cut out the Toxicity, If you can’t post constructively, Without attacking others, You will simply lose the ability to post. Take some time away and rethink your attitude here on the Forum. ---
**Author:** ![Tactical\_wizzzeR](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/tactical_wizzzer/32/103688_2.png) [@Tactical\_wizzzeR](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Tactical_wizzzeR)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 9:40am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/53 "2019-07-26T09:40:00Z")
what have I brought upon this forum… there is no discussion anymore, only mildly passive agressive posturing to agressive attacks… just delete this thread… ---
**Author:** ![Foxassassin](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Foxassassin](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Foxassassin)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 10:21am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/54 "2019-07-26T10:21:00Z")
> [@Tactical\_wizzzeR](#): > > what have I brought upon this forum… there is no discussion anymore, only mildly passive agressive posturing to agressive attacks… just delete this thread… This is something I’ve often thought about. That so many people jump to absolutes and cannot perceive anything other than that absolute. There’s no middle ground,no reasoning - ## [Link to section: Then comes the personal attacks and ignorance.](#then-comes-the-personal-attacks-and-ignorance-1)Then comes the personal attacks and ignorance. Like the argument of “what kind of game is this” Everyone either jumps to “realistic” or “arcade” that there can’t be a intermediate option between them that takes ques from one or the other. It’s always one side,or the other,and this just happens for everything. ---
**Author:** ![ElliotLH](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/elliotlh/32/101030_2.png) [@ElliotLH](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ElliotLH)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 11:43am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/55 "2019-07-26T11:43:00Z")
> [@Tactical\_wizzzeR](#): > > what have I brought upon this forum… there is no discussion anymore, only mildly passive agressive posturing to agressive attacks… just delete this thread… “Forget it, Jake. It’s Forumfield town”. ---
**Author:** ![barnesalmighty2](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/barnesalmighty2/32/101292_2.png) [@barnesalmighty2](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/barnesalmighty2)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 11:57am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/56 "2019-07-26T11:57:00Z")
The problem is and always has been prone. That’s why bad company 2 was soo good it didn’t have prone. Prone is bad mkay. ---
**Author:** ![VincentNZ](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/v/ce7236/32.png) [@VincentNZ](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/VincentNZ)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 1:10pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/57 "2019-07-26T13:10:00Z")
> [@Mensrea831](#): > > > [@VincentNZ](#): > > > > They are frustrating to play with and to play against, in that case you would call it balanced. However they do only allow for one playstyle and that is very stationary, without giving the player the intel necessary to be more dynamic and mobile. That is poor.I would have just done it the same way as in every other shooter and allow them to ADS, similar to how BF3 handled them with high spread and high recoil that would still give an advantage when bipodded, so that they are used for suppressing and sustained fire, while also having the capabilities to kill in engagements you did not expect. Signed, sealed, delivered.Right now they are only used in one way, and that annoys everyone, first and foremost the user, and I would want it changed. > > _laughs in 1200 rof ads_ sounds fair and balanced alright Ehm, yes of course. If we check on robenter for the stats, we will see the following: 0.7 horizontal recoil, 0.7 vertical. 6 bullets to kill at maximum range, Within 5 bullets you will have accumulated 3.5 degrees of vertical and 3.5 degrees of horizontal recoil. On top of that there will be a recoil pattern. All in a time before you can even react. This is not controllable unless you burst, and good luck bursting 1200 rpm. The Bren after 5 bullets will have accumulated 0.5 horizontal and 3.0 vertical recoil, in more than twice the time. The same applies to different degrees to the rest of the MMGs. It would only be an issue at close range, MMGs lack the Quick Aim spec though. ---
**Author:** ![marcanthony421](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/c67d28/32.png) [@marcanthony421](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/marcanthony421)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 1:53pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/58 "2019-07-26T13:53:00Z")
Im annoyed by mmgs and the bad visibility as much as the next guy. But lets remember Westie is the guy that showed everyone how crazy easy it was to get kills with the mg-34 when the game launched. I thought it was a boring way to play but a week later all the bipod boys were prone in the middle of the road. Smh with how fluid the movement is in this game(aside from animations) it should be the meta, not sitting still in a corner. Saving grace is upclose mmgs usually dont kill me cuz that player’s reaction time is usually bad. But at mid range or above just pray for a wall to hide behind ---
**Author:** ![ragnarok013](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/ragnarok013/32/103211_2.png) [@ragnarok013](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ragnarok013)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 2:03pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/59 "2019-07-26T14:03:00Z")
> [@mrtwotimes](#): > > Wahh, I got killed in a war by a machine gun. mrtwotimes keep it constructive so we have a discussion on the topic and not a flame thread that gets locked. ---
**Author:** ![xhiro108](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/bc8723/32.png) [@xhiro108](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/xhiro108)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 7:01pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019/60 "2019-07-31T19:01:00Z")
> [@BaronVonGoon](#): > > > [@xhiro108](#): > > > > So righteous. You know the difference between you and those whiney youtubers? Yout career is not battlefield, and that is a great thing. BF should be a game for everyone to enjoy, and it shouldn’t be influenced by those who somehow are able to complain for a living on one of the most toxic platforms ever. > > Yeah. Except that what they’re arguing in terms of MMGs ruining gameplay is something the majority of the community agrees with. We don’t need a representative sample. Unless one has their head in the sand, it’s clear the community despises the mmg meta, with the exception ofcourse of those who main mmgs. I don’t think dice should do what the majority of the community wants and I don’t think there’s support that majority of players hate the mmg “meta”. I don’t main mmg, I use every class and weapon type minus shotguns and bolt actions. When I do use mmgs, I’m highly mobile and utilize the pistol alot. It’s a very effective playstyle for advancing and covering objectives. I’ve never had a hard time taking out bipod campers with the grenade launcher, self loading rifles, or smoke and smg. I will admit that the frag launcher is woefully ineffective now, which I think was one of the better counters to mmgs. In general I think explosives are the natural counters to camping problems - however the “community” apparently got those nerfed to a level that’s just odd. [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019.md?page=2) [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/its-time-to-end-the-mmg-bipod-meta-said-westie/107019.md?page=4)