# Lets remove K/D **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 11, 2016, 11:16pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/lets-remove-k-d/101166 "2016-05-11T23:16:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![BadcuzTremysaid](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@BadcuzTremysaid](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BadcuzTremysaid)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 11:16pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/lets-remove-k-d/101166/1 "2016-05-11T23:16:00Z")
It does nothinf more than break the spirit of the game and replace it with Objective based stats .Take notes from Naughty Dog. We’re not showing K/DR on any of our online stats - it encourages breaking the spirit of the game. So we’re taking a hard line on this to see if it has any effect." “A graph or spread should give you all the info you would want. If you really want your ratio, take the time to break out the calculator. There is too much focus on padding this stat to the detriment of the rest of the community and our experience with U2 has been that some players will abuse anything to bump up their KDR. I would have figured that kill-farming would be universally abhorred.” ---
**Author:** ![afnav130](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@afnav130](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/afnav130)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 11:20pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/lets-remove-k-d/101166/2 "2016-05-11T23:20:00Z")
> [@BadcuzTremysaid](#): > > It does nothinf more than break the spirit of the game.Take notes from Naughty Dog. > > We’re not showing K/DR on any of our online stats - it encourages breaking the spirit of the game. So we’re taking a hard line on this to see if it has any effect." > > “A graph or spread should give you all the info you would want. If you really want your ratio, take the time to break out the calculator. There is too much focus on padding this stat to the detriment of the rest of the community and our experience with U2 has been that some players will abuse anything to bump up their KDR. I would have figured that kill-farming would be universally abhorred.” Buuuuuubuuuuuttt…what about the snipers who just care about KD? Or the vehicle/flyers who skirt behind barriers to allows their flares or ECM to reset? Then come back to pound you. Then skirt away again? They are all about KD and bragging to their friends about how good they are. Therefore if they don’t have a K/D to point to, what do they have? ---
**Author:** ![Sir-xer21](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sir-xer21/32/103487_2.png) [@Sir-xer21](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Sir-xer21)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 11:26pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/lets-remove-k-d/101166/3 "2016-05-11T23:26:00Z")
The problem is is that KD is a blatant factor in winning in conquest, Rush and TDM. ---
**Author:** ![UnderbossNiko](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/u/cab0a1/32.png) [@UnderbossNiko](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/UnderbossNiko)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 11:26pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/lets-remove-k-d/101166/4 "2016-05-11T23:26:00Z")
I agree. There should not be a focus on this kill death ratio. The game feels massive and similarly immersive. It should be about team work and co-operation. And anyway to better instill that well, the better. ---
**Author:** ![bf1helicopter](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@bf1helicopter](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/bf1helicopter)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 11:32pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/lets-remove-k-d/101166/5 "2016-05-11T23:32:00Z")
> [@afnav130](#): > > > [@BadcuzTremysaid](#): > > > > It does nothinf more than break the spirit of the game.Take notes from Naughty Dog. > > > > We’re not showing K/DR on any of our online stats - it encourages breaking the spirit of the game. So we’re taking a hard line on this to see if it has any effect." > > > > “A graph or spread should give you all the info you would want. If you really want your ratio, take the time to break out the calculator. There is too much focus on padding this stat to the detriment of the rest of the community and our experience with U2 has been that some players will abuse anything to bump up their KDR. I would have figured that kill-farming would be universally abhorred.” > > Buuuuuubuuuuuttt…what about the snipers who just care about KD? Or the vehicle/flyers who skirt behind barriers to allows their flares or ECM to reset? Then come back to pound you. Then skirt away again? They are all about KD and bragging to their friends about how good they are. Therefore if they don’t have a K/D to point to, what do they have? That’s his point.. They no longer have a reason to just worry about kills and now they may play the objective ---
**Author:** ![Lordmang4](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/e19b73/32.png) [@Lordmang4](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Lordmang4)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 11:33pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/lets-remove-k-d/101166/6 "2016-05-11T23:33:00Z")
Overwatch did just that (remove team K/D summary screen). Sure, you could see your own K/D stats. But you couldn’t see anyone elses. I’m sure it had a positive effect on gameplay regarding playing the objective. I didn’t see many gamers trying to pad their K/D stats. ---
**Author:** ![afnav130](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@afnav130](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/afnav130)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 11:36pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/lets-remove-k-d/101166/7 "2016-05-11T23:36:00Z")
> [@bf1helicopter](#): > > > [@afnav130](#): > > > > > [@BadcuzTremysaid](#): > > > > > > It does nothinf more than break the spirit of the game.Take notes from Naughty Dog. > > > > > > We’re not showing K/DR on any of our online stats - it encourages breaking the spirit of the game. So we’re taking a hard line on this to see if it has any effect." > > > > > > “A graph or spread should give you all the info you would want. If you really want your ratio, take the time to break out the calculator. There is too much focus on padding this stat to the detriment of the rest of the community and our experience with U2 has been that some players will abuse anything to bump up their KDR. I would have figured that kill-farming would be universally abhorred.” > > > > Buuuuuubuuuuuttt…what about the snipers who just care about KD? Or the vehicle/flyers who skirt behind barriers to allows their flares or ECM to reset? Then come back to pound you. Then skirt away again? They are all about KD and bragging to their friends about how good they are. Therefore if they don’t have a K/D to point to, what do they have? > > That’s his point.. They no longer have a reason to just worry about kills and now they may play the objective Doubtful. Without their binkie K/D stat machines I doubt they will have any fun other wise. I spend 90 percent of my time on the ground. So it wouldn’t bother me to see it gone, Yet again, the 12 year olds with ADD won’t allow that. Nice to talk about, just won’t ever be left out. ---
**Author:** ![NatsuTerran](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/898d66/32.png) [@NatsuTerran](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/NatsuTerran)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 11:39pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/lets-remove-k-d/101166/8 "2016-05-11T23:39:00Z")
Removing K/D ratios does not stop people from trying as hard as possible. Ever play a beta for a game? Yeah, people will be trying their hearts out to have good rounds. That’s because doing well is fun. And having a good K/D is in fact the spirit of an FPS. People do not camp for high K/D because K/D is shown, they do it because it is inherently fun. ---
**Author:** ![Lordmang4](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/e19b73/32.png) [@Lordmang4](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Lordmang4)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 11:40pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/lets-remove-k-d/101166/9 "2016-05-11T23:40:00Z")
Removed my comment for being in wrong thread. ---
**Author:** ![bf1helicopter](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@bf1helicopter](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/bf1helicopter)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 11:46pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/lets-remove-k-d/101166/10 "2016-05-11T23:46:00Z")
Edited Sorry misread ---
**Author:** ![Sgt-Sph1ncter](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/5fc32e/32.png) [@Sgt-Sph1ncter](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Sgt-Sph1ncter)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 11:51pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/lets-remove-k-d/101166/11 "2016-05-11T23:51:00Z")
Removing the K/D ratio would do nothing but promote better teamwork and objective play, I’m all for it! ---
**Author:** ![Frankenstein68](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/frankenstein68/32/101998_2.png) [@Frankenstein68](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Frankenstein68)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 11:52pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/lets-remove-k-d/101166/12 "2016-05-11T23:52:00Z")
> [@NatsuTerran](#): > > Removing K/D ratios does not stop people from trying as hard as possible. Ever play a beta for a game? Yeah, people will be trying their hearts out to have good rounds. That’s because doing well is fun. And having a good K/D is in fact the spirit of an FPS. People do not camp for high K/D because K/D is shown, they do it because it is inherently fun. Sorry; I cannot condone using the words “camp” and “fun” in the same sentence… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![NatsuTerran](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/898d66/32.png) [@NatsuTerran](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/NatsuTerran)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 11:53pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/lets-remove-k-d/101166/13 "2016-05-11T23:53:00Z")
> [@Sgt-Sph1ncter](#): > > Removing the K/D ratio would do nothing but promote better teamwork and objective play, I’m all for it! It really, truly would not. Team play would actually be disincentivized severely. ---
**Author:** ![Lordmang4](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/e19b73/32.png) [@Lordmang4](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Lordmang4)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 11:54pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/lets-remove-k-d/101166/14 "2016-05-11T23:54:00Z")
> [@Sgt-Sph1ncter](#): > > Removing the K/D ratio would do nothing but promote better teamwork and objective play, I’m all for it! It absolutely would! Overwatch removed the team K/D summary page entirely. I’ve never seen more gamers in a match play the objective after having being freed from their K/D “shackles”. ---
**Author:** ![CAPT\_Gangplank](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/eb9ed0/32.png) [@CAPT\_Gangplank](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/CAPT_Gangplank)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 11:57pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/lets-remove-k-d/101166/15 "2016-05-11T23:57:00Z")
I totally, definitively would remove it. If losing the KD obsessed players to CoD or back to BF4 is the price to pay… I’d say it’s a win-win to be quite honest. If you care more abot your KD than the objective you’re really a no-use showoff, not a team player. ---
**Author:** ![JuveOG1105](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/eada6e/32.png) [@JuveOG1105](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JuveOG1105)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 11:58pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/lets-remove-k-d/101166/16 "2016-05-11T23:58:00Z")
> [@afnav130](#): > > > [@BadcuzTremysaid](#): > > > > It does nothinf more than break the spirit of the game.Take notes from Naughty Dog. > > > > We’re not showing K/DR on any of our online stats - it encourages breaking the spirit of the game. So we’re taking a hard line on this to see if it has any effect." > > > > “A graph or spread should give you all the info you would want. If you really want your ratio, take the time to break out the calculator. There is too much focus on padding this stat to the detriment of the rest of the community and our experience with U2 has been that some players will abuse anything to bump up their KDR. I would have figured that kill-farming would be universally abhorred.” > > Buuuuuubuuuuuttt…what about the snipers who just care about KD? Or the vehicle/flyers who skirt behind barriers to allows their flares or ECM to reset? Then come back to pound you. Then skirt away again? They are all about KD and bragging to their friends about how good they are. Therefore if they don’t have a K/D to point to, what do they have? But don’t forget none of that will be in BF1 simply because it didn’t exist at the time. Not to mention that’s just silly to think that’s wrong every competent pilot will do that use team work to take them out or practice in a heli to get them. ---
**Author:** ![VBALL\_MVP](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/vball_mvp/32/103977_2.png) [@VBALL\_MVP](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/VBALL_MVP)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 12:06am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/lets-remove-k-d/101166/17 "2016-05-12T00:06:00Z")
There is no benifit in having KD displayed. Objective oriented stats (cap flags, mcoms armed/defused, squad points, etc) are more meaningful and productive. ---
**Author:** ![Bertominus\_Rex](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/71c47a/32.png) [@Bertominus\_Rex](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Bertominus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 12:11am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/lets-remove-k-d/101166/18 "2016-05-12T00:11:00Z")
Personally, I’d want to disable my stats entirely. I don’t want to worry about my K/D, my SPM, or anything. I just want to enjoy the game. The problem with BF3 is that the stats are in my face. Every time I open up Battlelog - there they are. I’m fine with weapon kills, and I do like showing off my 1000+ kills with the M320. However, having the SPM and K/D in there makes me think to myself, “Maybe… maybe I should try and get those higher”. That eventually leads into frustration when I reach my potential. Personally, I think stats should just be something optional. It’s definitely a nice incentive for competitive players, but it can be annoying for players that don’t want to care. I’d definitely want to see K/D go. That’s my biggest annoyance, and I mainly played TDM on the PC version of the game. At one point on the PS3 version, I got far too competitive and I cared too much about winning in Rush. I ended up getting frustrated more than anything else, and I ended up taking a long break from the game. Stats can be a nice incentive, but caring too much about them can also be a bad thing. Players need an escape if they decide stats hurt their experience. ---
**Author:** ![NatsuTerran](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/898d66/32.png) [@NatsuTerran](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/NatsuTerran)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 12:15am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/lets-remove-k-d/101166/19 "2016-05-12T00:15:00Z")
Here’s the problem: People are not going to simply value Objective score if you remove everything so that there is only objective play left. People are just going to treat it as a mess around game because people would rather snipe from a mile away, or drive C4 vehicles, or try to no scope people, or do dumb jet stunts, etc. etc. etc. Battlefield’s team play is actually a result of K/D ratio. Why would a medic even care about reviving you if K/D wasn’t a thing? Who cares if you need ammo? Who cares if your vehicle is hurt? If K/D isn’t there, there is literally no reason to play the game at all other than to just screw around and go for those “only in BF” moments. The reason this might work in other games is because games like Overwatch give off that e-sports feel implicitly. It feels like the point of games like that are to win. Battlefield is a casual pubstompy game, and the entire reason anyone ever plays it is to try to pubstomp or to screw around. You take out the value of pubstomping and people will initially still try hard to get good gameplays, and then eventually get bored at a much accelerated rate because none of the good gameplays mean anything. ---
**Author:** ![afnav130](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@afnav130](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/afnav130)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 12:21am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/lets-remove-k-d/101166/20 "2016-05-12T00:21:00Z")
> [@NatsuTerran](#): > > Here’s the problem: People are not going to simply value Objective score if you remove everything so that there is only objective play left. People are just going to treat it as a -around game because people would rather snipe from a mile away, or drive C4 vehicles, or try to no scope people, or do dumb jet stunts, etc. etc. etc. Battlefield’s team play is actually a result of K/D ratio. Why would a medic even care about reviving you if K/D wasn’t a thing? Who cares if you need ammo? Who cares if your vehicle is hurt? If K/D isn’t there, there is literally no reason to play the game at all other than to just screw around and go for those “only in BF” moments. The reason this might work in other games is because games like Overwatch give off that e-sports feel implicitly. It feels like the point of games like that are to win. Battlefield is a casual pubstompy game, and the entire reason anyone ever plays it is to try to pubstomp or to screw around. You take out the value of pubstomping and people will initially still try hard to get good gameplays, and then eventually get bored at a much accelerated rate because none of the good gameplays mean anything. Bingo. Very well said. That’s the allure of Battlefield. I’ve run into plenty over the years who’ve stated that if there were no or limits on Sniper rifles they wouldn’t play, just as an example. For instance over the 2 years I’ve played BF4, I’ve basically split between Assault and Support. My K/D is dog poo because I just throw round down range for suppression and cover fire. I didn’t actually know what my K/D really was until last week when I logged onto Battlelog. Lol. [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/lets-remove-k-d/101166.md?page=2)