# Madsen MG Trench v Plane **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 28, 2017, 2:52am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/madsen-mg-trench-v-plane/103099 "2017-07-28T02:52:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![BaconRebellion](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/baconrebellion/32/101270_2.png) [@BaconRebellion](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BaconRebellion)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2017, 2:52am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/madsen-mg-trench-v-plane/103099/1 "2017-07-28T02:52:00Z")
I know that the one assignment to unlock the MG14/17 in the new DLC is destroying 2 planes with the Madsen MG Trench, and while it is ridiculous, and we all have our complaints about it, I simply have to ask if its even possible to take out a plane with the Trench variant. I played a quick round of Conquest on Fao to see how it fairs against a plane, and honestly, even though I suck at landing damage on planes with a LMG, I don’t think I could do more than 10 damage on the planes in one pass/one magazine. The only way I can see taking out a plane with the Trench variant, is if theyre already severely damaged, and in that case, they are probably far away repairing themselves, and far out of the range of the Madsen Trench. [![Video: Madsen MG Trench v. Plane](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/2/9/298803f82bcd5fb7abe958b14e837aa4add98487.jpeg "Madsen MG Trench v. Plane") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZlEhTKNCxk) This is how I faired with it against a plane. Not well. Its like shooting BBs at kevlar. ---
**Author:** ![slywether](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@slywether](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/slywether)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2017, 5:01am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/madsen-mg-trench-v-plane/103099/2 "2017-07-28T05:01:00Z")
Shoot wings, b and d point Monte grappa, prob get it in one game. ---
**Author:** ![SliceNaToooR](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/slicenatooor/32/103521_2.png) [@SliceNaToooR](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SliceNaToooR)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2017, 5:18am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/madsen-mg-trench-v-plane/103099/3 "2017-07-28T05:18:00Z")
> [@slywether](#): > > Shoot wings, b and d point Monte grappa, prob get it in one game. Good tip. Also doing this challenge with a friend or two would help! ---
**Author:** ![HardAimedKid](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hardaimedkid/32/102174_2.png) [@HardAimedKid](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/HardAimedKid)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2017, 5:36am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/madsen-mg-trench-v-plane/103099/4 "2017-07-28T05:36:00Z")
It’s a troll job by dice either way. I’ve always thought assignments were bs, but to make an assignment like that is ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Ferdinand\_J\_Foch](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/ferdinand_j_foch/32/101936_2.png) [@Ferdinand\_J\_Foch](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Ferdinand_J_Foch)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2017, 5:44am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/madsen-mg-trench-v-plane/103099/5 "2017-07-28T05:44:00Z")
The Madsen MG Trench is not the best LMG for killing aircraft. Even the Low Weight version would be superior, due to its bipod. This weapon is meant to be used as a hipfiring CQB weapon, not an AA gun. Even if you empty the entire mag into an aircraft, the pilot will just laugh at your stupidity, and then brutally annihilate you after turning around. You’ll have to either resort to kill-stealing, or using an actual AA weapon to weaken the aircraft to the point that the Madsen Trench can actually destroy them. I know that DICE is trying to show that you can damage aircraft quite a bit with infantry weapons, but it is illogical to use CQB 20/30 round LMGs against any aircraft. Even if you had a decent LMG for this task, it only really works if you get a whole squad to fire at the aircraft at the same time. Even whilst having that squad, you need the aircraft to be flying low and slow enough to actually hit; no LMG squad is going to hit a fighter moving at maximum speed up in the skies. ---
**Author:** ![HardAimedKid](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hardaimedkid/32/102174_2.png) [@HardAimedKid](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/HardAimedKid)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2017, 6:00am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/madsen-mg-trench-v-plane/103099/6 "2017-07-28T06:00:00Z")
> [@Ferdinand\_J\_Foch](#): > > The Madsen MG Trench is not the best LMG for killing aircraft. Even the Low Weight version would be superior, due to its bipod. This weapon is meant to be used as a hipfiring CQB weapon, not an AA gun. Even if you empty the entire mag into an aircraft, the pilot will just laugh at your stupidity, and then brutally annihilate you after turning around. You’ll have to either resort to kill-stealing, or using an actual AA weapon to weaken the aircraft to the point that the Madsen Trench can actually destroy them. > > I know that DICE is trying to show that you can damage aircraft quite a bit with infantry weapons, but it is illogical to use CQB 20/30 round LMGs against any aircraft. Even if you had a decent LMG for this task, it only really works if you get a whole squad to fire at the aircraft at the same time. Even whilst having that squad, you need the aircraft to be flying low and slow enough to actually hit; no LMG squad is going to hit a fighter moving at maximum speed up in the skies. What dice should show us is that they at least kind of respect us as paying customers and not do bogus crap like this. ---
**Author:** ![ThePunisher\_be](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/278dde/32.png) [@ThePunisher\_be](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ThePunisher_be)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2017, 6:59am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/madsen-mg-trench-v-plane/103099/7 "2017-07-28T06:59:00Z")
Our console brothers are f!cked. On PC, it is rather easy to track a plane. I can land most shots of my magazine: then it does around 20-30 damage. ---
**Author:** ![half\_empty\_soul](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/48db29/32.png) [@half\_empty\_soul](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/half_empty_soul)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2017, 7:07am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/madsen-mg-trench-v-plane/103099/8 "2017-07-28T07:07:00Z")
> [@ThePunisher\_be](#): > > Our console brothers are f!cked. On PC, it is rather easy to track a plane. I can land most shots of my magazine: then it does around 20-30 damage. dude 20-30 points /= 20-30 damage to the plane ---
**Author:** ![disposalist](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@disposalist](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/disposalist)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2017, 9:56am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/madsen-mg-trench-v-plane/103099/9 "2017-07-28T09:56:00Z")
It _is_ CTE… Post on the CTE feedback forum that you think it’s a bad idea. Maybe it won’t get to release. ---
**Author:** ![Goofy-The-Sc0t](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/goofy-the-sc0t/32/102091_2.png) [@Goofy-The-Sc0t](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Goofy-The-Sc0t)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2017, 10:21am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/madsen-mg-trench-v-plane/103099/10 "2017-07-28T10:21:00Z")
Further proof that whoever comes up with these unlock challenges has never played BF1 ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_DarIing](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/captain_dariing/32/101459_2.png) [@Captain\_DarIing](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Captain_DarIing)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2017, 10:22am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/madsen-mg-trench-v-plane/103099/11 "2017-07-28T10:22:00Z")
> [@GoofyMC123](#): > > Further proof that whoever comes up with these unlock challenges has never played BF1 True that. DICE is detached from reality. ---
**Author:** ![Fhurstinator](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@Fhurstinator](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Fhurstinator)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2017, 11:04am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/madsen-mg-trench-v-plane/103099/12 "2017-07-28T11:04:00Z")
> [@slywether](#): > > Shoot wings, b and d point Monte grappa, prob get it in one game. I think if you disable a wing and he crashes as a result the game will recognize it as an “accident” and you will not be awarded the kill. You have to shoot the plane until it explodes i believe ---
**Author:** ![disposalist](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@disposalist](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/disposalist)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2017, 11:15am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/madsen-mg-trench-v-plane/103099/13 "2017-07-28T11:15:00Z")
> [@Fhurstinator](#): > > > [@slywether](#): > > > > Shoot wings, b and d point Monte grappa, prob get it in one game. > > I think if you disable a wing and he crashes as a result the game will recognize it as an “accident” and you will not be awarded the kill. You have to shoot the plane until it explodes i believe I believe it depends how long since you did the damage (and it’s usually too long, yes) though if you get “Disabled” then it seems to credit the destruction a lot later. ---
**Author:** ![Gmkillers](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Gmkillers](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Gmkillers)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2017, 11:32am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/madsen-mg-trench-v-plane/103099/14 "2017-07-28T11:32:00Z")
Next challenge “get 2 plane kills with the kolibri” 😑 ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_DarIing](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/captain_dariing/32/101459_2.png) [@Captain\_DarIing](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Captain_DarIing)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2017, 11:34am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/madsen-mg-trench-v-plane/103099/15 "2017-07-28T11:34:00Z")
> [@BaconRebellion](#): > > I know that the one assignment to unlock the MG14/17 in the new DLC is destroying 2 planes with the Madsen MG Trench, and while it is ridiculous, and we all have our complaints about it, I simply have to ask if its even possible to take out a plane with the Trench variant. I played a quick round of Conquest on Fao to see how it fairs against a plane, and honestly, even though I suck at landing damage on planes with a LMG, I don’t think I could do more than 10 damage on the planes in one pass/one magazine. The only way I can see taking out a plane with the Trench variant, is if theyre already severely damaged, and in that case, they are probably far away repairing themselves, and far out of the range of the Madsen Trench. > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZlEhTKNCxk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZlEhTKNCxk) > > This is how I faired with it against a plane. Not well. Its like shooting BBs at kevlar. It’s bad enough on PC for dealing damage, but I see you are using console aim. Which reminds me how more bad defacto small arms damage actually is in practice. ---
**Author:** ![disposalist](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@disposalist](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/disposalist)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2017, 11:37am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/madsen-mg-trench-v-plane/103099/16 "2017-07-28T11:37:00Z")
So I thought I’d try it… [![Video: Battlefield 1 - Madsen Mission Impossible?](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/4/7/47fde0b0a211981b45e763ba78b80fbc0caf8ae2.jpeg "Battlefield 1 - Madsen Mission Impossible?") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72Sc3kgUglQ) ---
**Author:** ![BaconRebellion](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/baconrebellion/32/101270_2.png) [@BaconRebellion](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BaconRebellion)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2017, 11:55am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/madsen-mg-trench-v-plane/103099/17 "2017-07-28T11:55:00Z")
> [@disposalist](#): > > It _is_ CTE… Post on the CTE feedback forum that you think it’s a bad idea. Maybe it won’t get to release. Ill post there but i don’t know where that forum is ---
**Author:** ![EmothicVH](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/emothicvh/32/101858_2.png) [@EmothicVH](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/EmothicVH)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2017, 12:03pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/madsen-mg-trench-v-plane/103099/18 "2017-07-28T12:03:00Z")
The only way I see of being able to do this challenge is camp next to an AA gun. Heavily damage the enemy plane as it flies by, then quickly jump off of the AA and get the kill with the LMG. Only way I see at this being possible other then just having sheer luck. ---
**Author:** ![disposalist](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@disposalist](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/disposalist)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2017, 12:17pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/madsen-mg-trench-v-plane/103099/19 "2017-07-28T12:17:00Z")
> [@EmothicVH](#): > > The only way I see of being able to do this challenge is camp next to an AA gun. Heavily damage the enemy plane as it flies by, then quickly jump off of the AA and get the kill with the LMG. Only way I see at this being possible other then just having sheer luck. Did you miss my vid? It took 5 minutes. ---
**Author:** ![disposalist](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@disposalist](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/disposalist)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2017, 12:20pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/madsen-mg-trench-v-plane/103099/20 "2017-07-28T12:20:00Z")
> [@BaconRebellion](#): > > > [@disposalist](#): > > > > It _is_ CTE… Post on the CTE feedback forum that you think it’s a bad idea. Maybe it won’t get to release. > > Ill post there but i don’t know where that forum is [https://forums.battlefield.com/en-us/categories/cte-general-feedback](https://forums.battlefield.com/en-us/categories/cte-general-feedback) [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/madsen-mg-trench-v-plane/103099.md?page=2)