# Mk has already seriously ruined this game **URL:** \ **Category:** Console\ **Created:** [April 25, 2019, 3:56pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/mk-has-already-seriously-ruined-this-game/108444 "2019-04-25T15:56:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Hongchao\_jin](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/c67d28/32.png) [@Hongchao\_jin](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Hongchao_jin)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 3:56pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/mk-has-already-seriously-ruined-this-game/108444/1 "2019-04-25T15:56:00Z")
I have already played bfv for 100+hours, but the balance problem is becoming more and more serious. I play on Xbox and ps4, there is no balance in this game. Too many mouse and keyboard players has already ruined this game. Their turing speed and accuracy are actually much better than normal console players. But for some players just pissed me off, using mouse macro is kind of cheating. I can say so many Mk players who uses macro to achieve better accuracy and recoil controlling. Controlling recoil is not difficult for most controller players. But accuracy is the big problem. Mouse macro has already break the balance in the game. Mouse and keyboard provide huge advantage for players, also some of them turn on aim assist. They definitely have better aiming accuracy than controller players. As a result, too many players are afraid to fight and worry about their fxxxxng KD, they hide themselves in a small angle of room and ruins, just laying down and waiting for enemies to come. Every time, it is so tough for me to kill some mouse keyboard. At first when I got killed, I just think they have better skill than me. Once, I inspect a player, this guy’s turing is fast and extremely smooth. A controller can not be like that smooth. Then I realized that mouse keyboard can bring really good advantage. Why not play on PC? Maybe they can be good at every round by using Mk on console, but they will never be good as some really good pc players. They only want to using Mk to fight with controller, don’t want to fight with Mk. I think the main reason is they have no skill on pc. Shame. ---
**Author:** ![TruVetCommando](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/truvetcommando/32/108487_2.png) [@TruVetCommando](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TruVetCommando)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 7:49pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/mk-has-already-seriously-ruined-this-game/108444/2 "2019-04-25T19:49:00Z")
I get called a mouse and and keyboard player but I use high sens with a Elite controller. Are you 100% sure? ---
**Author:** ![TruVetCommando](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/truvetcommando/32/108487_2.png) [@TruVetCommando](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TruVetCommando)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 7:51pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/mk-has-already-seriously-ruined-this-game/108444/3 "2019-04-25T19:51:00Z")
Also with the new Mouse and Keyboard by Razer im sure the next BF will use it. I think its something we may have to get used to. ---
**Author:** ![georgeanzelon](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/49beb7/32.png) [@georgeanzelon](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/georgeanzelon)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2019, 3:27pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/mk-has-already-seriously-ruined-this-game/108444/4 "2019-04-27T15:27:00Z")
Wait…are we now able to use mouse and keyboard on xbox? I though dive didn’t allow it in bf5? ---
**Author:** ![ElliotLH](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/elliotlh/32/101030_2.png) [@ElliotLH](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ElliotLH)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/mk-has-already-seriously-ruined-this-game/108444/5 "2019-04-27T16:28:00Z")
> [@georgeanzelon](#): > > Wait…are we now able to use mouse and keyboard on xbox? I though dive didn’t allow it in bf5? You’d use an adapter like the Xim Apex. You’re right that Dice haven’t provided native support. ---
**Author:** ![full951](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/full951/32/102018_2.png) [@full951](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/full951)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2019, 7:02pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/mk-has-already-seriously-ruined-this-game/108444/6 "2019-04-27T19:02:00Z")
You sound a little paranoid OP. Do whatever is that’s settles your nerves. ---
**Author:** ![odinschosen1](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/o/7ea924/32.png) [@odinschosen1](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/odinschosen1)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2019, 9:03pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/mk-has-already-seriously-ruined-this-game/108444/7 "2019-04-27T21:03:00Z")
seriously battlefield 5, all i want is a refund cos as we all know, this isnt what was advertised to us and we are entitled to a refund under our laws. Push and make these cheap corporate pay up for their failure to even try to maintain a form of moderation for anything that isnt profitable ---
**Author:** ![ackers75](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/b2d939/32.png) [@ackers75](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ackers75)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 4:24pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/mk-has-already-seriously-ruined-this-game/108444/8 "2019-04-28T16:24:00Z")
> [@TruVetCommando](#): > > Also with the new Mouse and Keyboard by Razer im sure the next BF will use it. I think its something we may have to get used to. Nope separated lobbies ---
**Author:** ![bullseye9508](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/b2d939/32.png) [@bullseye9508](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/bullseye9508)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 10:44pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/mk-has-already-seriously-ruined-this-game/108444/9 "2019-04-29T22:44:00Z")
After trying MK the other day I believe most who use them do it because they’re used to playing PC maybe. As someone who has always been a console gamer there is no way I’m spending weeks maybe months to gain the muscle memory to play MK at the level I play with a controller now. I’m no where near the best but I’m normally closer to the top of the scoreboard than the middle or bottom and that’s good enough for me lol. ---
**Author:** ![d3monkid12](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/3bc359/32.png) [@d3monkid12](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/d3monkid12)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 9:27pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/mk-has-already-seriously-ruined-this-game/108444/10 "2019-05-03T21:27:00Z")
> [@Hongchao\_jin](#): > > I have already played bfv for 100+hours, but the balance problem is becoming more and more serious. I play on Xbox and ps4, there is no balance in this game. Too many mouse and keyboard players has already ruined this game. Their turing speed and accuracy are actually much better than normal console players. But for some players just pissed me off, using mouse macro is kind of cheating. I can say so many Mk players who uses macro to achieve better accuracy and recoil controlling. > Controlling recoil is not difficult for most controller players. But accuracy is the big problem. Mouse macro has already break the balance in the game. > Mouse and keyboard provide huge advantage for players, also some of them turn on aim assist. They definitely have better aiming accuracy than controller players. As a result, too many players are afraid to fight and worry about their fxxxxng KD, they hide themselves in a small angle of room and ruins, just laying down and waiting for enemies to come. > Every time, it is so tough for me to kill some mouse keyboard. At first when I got killed, I just think they have better skill than me. Once, I inspect a player, this guy’s turing is fast and extremely smooth. A controller can not be like that smooth. Then I realized that mouse keyboard can bring really good advantage. Why not play on PC? Maybe they can be good at every round by using Mk on console, but they will never be good as some really good pc players. They only want to using Mk to fight with controller, don’t want to fight with Mk. I think the main reason is they have no skill on pc. > Shame. point and click click click. smh ---
**Author:** ![full951](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/full951/32/102018_2.png) [@full951](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/full951)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2019, 10:17pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/mk-has-already-seriously-ruined-this-game/108444/11 "2019-05-04T22:17:00Z")
Stick and click click click. smh ---
**Author:** ![idk1233211](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/e19adc/32.png) [@idk1233211](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/idk1233211)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2019, 11:47pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/mk-has-already-seriously-ruined-this-game/108444/12 "2019-05-08T23:47:00Z")
look up themarkofj he dosnt use mk and only uses custom scuf controllers. ---
**Author:** ![JamieCurnock](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/9f8e36/32.png) [@JamieCurnock](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JamieCurnock)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 6:18pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/mk-has-already-seriously-ruined-this-game/108444/13 "2019-05-09T18:18:00Z")
> [@Hongchao\_jin](#): > > I have already played bfv for 100+hours, but the balance problem is becoming more and more serious. I play on Xbox and ps4, there is no balance in this game. Too many mouse and keyboard players has already ruined this game. Their turing speed and accuracy are actually much better than normal console players. But for some players just pissed me off, using mouse macro is kind of cheating. I can say so many Mk players who uses macro to achieve better accuracy and recoil controlling. > Controlling recoil is not difficult for most controller players. But accuracy is the big problem. Mouse macro has already break the balance in the game. > Mouse and keyboard provide huge advantage for players, also some of them turn on aim assist. They definitely have better aiming accuracy than controller players. As a result, too many players are afraid to fight and worry about their fxxxxng KD, they hide themselves in a small angle of room and ruins, just laying down and waiting for enemies to come. > Every time, it is so tough for me to kill some mouse keyboard. At first when I got killed, I just think they have better skill than me. Once, I inspect a player, this guy’s turing is fast and extremely smooth. A controller can not be like that smooth. Then I realized that mouse keyboard can bring really good advantage. Why not play on PC? Maybe they can be good at every round by using Mk on console, but they will never be good as some really good pc players. They only want to using Mk to fight with controller, don’t want to fight with Mk. I think the main reason is they have no skill on pc. > Shame. How do you know for sure that these are keyboard and mouse players? You mentioned turning speed being a factor that made you think they are using k&m. Can’t you change that in the options somewhere? Also is your sensitivity at 100%? If not then anyone with a higher sensitivity will be able to turn quicker than you. Then there is the perception that they turned quicker which could be down to them starting to turn before you think they did or lag/netcode issues etc. I’m not denying there are k&m players at all but I’ve not personally seen any change fighting enemies that I wouldn’t put down to them just being better than me at the game. 100% agree that using any type of macro controlling recoil or accuracy is cheating though, can you even do that just by using a m&k on console? I use the good ol’ Xbox pad so I’ve no idea. ---
**Author:** ![TruVetCommando](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/truvetcommando/32/108487_2.png) [@TruVetCommando](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TruVetCommando)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2019, 12:30am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/mk-has-already-seriously-ruined-this-game/108444/14 "2019-05-10T00:30:00Z")
> [@ackers75](#): > > > [@TruVetCommando](#): > > > > Also with the new Mouse and Keyboard by Razer im sure the next BF will use it. I think its something we may have to get used to. > > Nope separated lobbies I really cant see that happening. Its down to the developer. Well have to see i guess. ---
**Author:** ![ackers75](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/b2d939/32.png) [@ackers75](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ackers75)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2019, 7:14am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/mk-has-already-seriously-ruined-this-game/108444/15 "2019-05-10T07:14:00Z")
> [@TruVetCommando](#): > > > [@ackers75](#): > > > > > [@TruVetCommando](#): > > > > > > Also with the new Mouse and Keyboard by Razer im sure the next BF will use it. I think its something we may have to get used to. > > > > Nope separated lobbies > > I really cant see that happening. Its down to the developer. Well have to see i guess. Why would that not happen? ---
**Author:** ![MAGNUM\_MU5TACHE](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/magnum_mu5tache/32/101043_2.png) [@MAGNUM\_MU5TACHE](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MAGNUM_MU5TACHE)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2019, 4:44pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/mk-has-already-seriously-ruined-this-game/108444/16 "2019-05-12T16:44:00Z")
> [@ackers75](#): > > > [@TruVetCommando](#): > > > > Also with the new Mouse and Keyboard by Razer im sure the next BF will use it. I think its something we may have to get used to. > > Nope separated lobbies That won’t help because people use a device that tricks the console into thinking that a controller is connected while they use their mouse and keyboard. They would still be in the controller only lobbies. ---
**Author:** ![DVT1980](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@DVT1980](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DVT1980)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 6:15am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/mk-has-already-seriously-ruined-this-game/108444/17 "2019-05-13T06:15:00Z")
I find it bizarre that this m&k argument has only surfaced since the BR games arrived and a few idiots at Blizzard and Epic Games piped up. You could have potentially been playing against m&k users on the XBox at least since 2009 when the first xim device was released. So a decade later it is suddenly an issue. The PS4 has the Hori Tac which is mentioned on Sony’s website and does the same thing as the xim apex. But it is officially supported. So PS4 users really can’t complain. The Chronos Max device is accepted at COD tournaments so players can use the xbox Elite pad on PS4. Does this mean the elite pad gives such an advantage over standard ps4 or xbox pads? If so stick elite controller users in separate lobbies in shooters along with steering wheel users in driving games as well while your at it. MS probably want as many devs to support M&k as possible as it has the potential to bring in more pc users sick of aimbotters who are destroying pc gaming. They have it a lot worse than alleged epidemic of m&k users on console. They have also been aware of the xim products for years and done nothing about them. FYI the xim apex doesn’t support recoil scripts and devs won’t support that sort of thing. The max and titan two however do which I don’t agree with at all. I personally don’t care what input devices people wish to use, it should be there preferred choice. As long as they are not using scripts to gain an advantage. ---
**Author:** ![diagoro](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/diagoro/32/101718_2.png) [@diagoro](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/diagoro)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 4:35pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/mk-has-already-seriously-ruined-this-game/108444/18 "2019-05-13T16:35:00Z")
I’ve noticed over the past few BF games, that I’m getting headshot more and more often. Part of it is likely the poor netcode packaging damage (as I far too often get instantly killed). But eadily 80% of my deaths are instant headshots. I can imagine snipers using MK to optimize accuracy, which would just be more rage inducing. ---
**Author:** ![elgrantimmy](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@elgrantimmy](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/elgrantimmy)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 12:04am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/mk-has-already-seriously-ruined-this-game/108444/19 "2019-05-14T00:04:00Z")
I don’t use MK and I still place high at the end of each round, if not top 5, so MK has not ruined the game for me. ---
**Author:** ![JamieCurnock](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/9f8e36/32.png) [@JamieCurnock](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JamieCurnock)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 3:48pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/mk-has-already-seriously-ruined-this-game/108444/20 "2019-05-14T15:48:00Z")
There is no way of knowing if you are playing a m&k player so this boils down to “they were quicker/better than me, they must be using m&k” [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/mk-has-already-seriously-ruined-this-game/108444.md?page=2)